Actual laced weed being sold? Doubtful. I've heard rumors of the "my friend's friend's second cousin" variety for years! The most likely scenerio there is that someone pinched someone else's bag of boat (pot laced with PCP) not knowing what it was and assuming the other person had intended to buy pot. That happened to me when I was in high school. It was a friend's mom's stash and we were skipping school. That made a hell of a lifetime impression on me about pinching bags and I haven't done it since.

On the other hand the story you told of your friend is common. I go to a lot of raves and festivals and have learned to ask what is in a pipe rather than just hitting what is passed to me. I know PCP is pretty commonly added to weed (intentionally by the user) as is cocaine(same case). I would suspect that one of those is more likely the culprit with your friend seeing as meth can not be smoked like that and needs to be freebased. The thinking she was going to die part makes me think PCP as it is a very heavy dissociative and the only drug (aside from DMT, which again is smoked via a different method than pot) that can be smoked and give a trip like experience.

On the other hand, there are contamination risks that have nothing to do with adulteration. For example, a few years ago me and several of my friends got EXTREMELY sick for weeks because of a batch going around that had mold on it. You also occasionally run the risk of smoking something that was contaminated with improper fertilizer, which again will make you sick, not trip out or feel further drugged.

Pretty much sums it up exactly right here.

Although you can sandwich DMT between layers of weed in a bowl or, presumably, roll it into a joint - the fact of lighting it enough to burn the bud will disintegrate the DMT vs vaporizing it, so even if someone tried to pull the wool over someone else that way it would fail when they lit the bud as normal.

Thanks, now I want some DMT :P

I agree

DMT= one of the few drugs I have an interest in, but have yet to try.

I won't do it at festivals/raves due to my belief that hallucinogens command a certain level of respect and also because it is an uncontrolled environment.

Though me and my mate are seriously considering a trip to South America for an ayahuasca excursion. We are both well aware of the fact you can avoid some of the *ahem* unpleasant effects by smoking DMT, but we also both want the full spiritual experience from it and couldn't imagine any better way to achieve that than being guided by someone who was literally raised to be a spiritual conduit for such experiences. So, i guess even if i end up being 35 or 36 before we can save up to do that, it will be a totally worthwhile first time!

SWIM has a roommate that brewed the DMT tea and along with proper diet and MAOI inhibitors, they successfully had an ayahuasca experience (one at a time, for babysitting). It was phenomenal, and besides being emotionally sleepy after it, there were no ill effects whatsoever.

If you are interested in learning more, Mycotopia has a lot of information on the subject. :) It sounds like a worthwhile experience!

Theres a DMT documentary on Netflix I've been meaning to check out.. Anything I should watch out for as a red flag that the docu is bs? (Ie: Like how a bs weed docu would say it's a gateway, etc)
I generally am leery of drugs with abbreviations as a name , mostly because I have an inherent distrust of man-made chemicals ( dont even take otc medicine if I can just muscle through the symptons) too much and all of them have initials for a name... Is DMT different than the others, because I hear a LOT of stoners vouching for it...

The Spirit Molecule is the only documentary I've seen that was any good, if that's what you are referring to. Pretty spot-on, for the most part.

DMT stands for dimethyltryptamine. It is all natural, made from plant matter (vs LSD, made in a lab). When you are in REM sleep, you naturally produce DMT in the brain, which accounts for a lot of the insane dreams you get in that sleep phase. DMT is harvested from certain plants that have high concentrations, similar to mescaline in certain cacti, and it's processed down into a crystalline form that is vaporize-able or a tea form, which has to be taken with an MAOI inhibitor to be ingested properly otherwise you just digest it like any other beverage. If you google ayahuasca, this is the original, tribal shamanistic form of DMT. I've heard of the other forms made elsewhere referred to as pharmahuasca, using non-plant matter to do the same. If you process it as described in most TECs off Mycotopia, you get more like the original version.

It is non-habit forming, but very powerful. Again it's like the salvia you described, you can't walk into it not knowing what you are doing, and you should dose lower than what you'd think just in case it winds up being too powerful for you. A higher dose WILL cause a breakthrough and if you are not prepared for that, it has the possibility to be devastating. If you are a good smoker, I'd try the smoked form first; the tea form has a lot of safety requirements and can REALLY fuck you up if you do NOT follow the guidelines (because of the MAOI you have to take with it - if you're on certain meds they can interact and hospitalize you, blah blah medical jargon, google this). Diet is also a consideration, as certain foods taken with the MAOI and the tea can cause reactions and make you puke, feel awful, etc.

DMT is pretty much the ultimate in psychedelics.

Yes, that's the one. I'll have to check it out then. =3 The cover is so -preeeetty- with the swirls and that pink color... It grabs my eye every time I pass it.

Huh.. I'd always assumed because of it being a chemical name that it had been man-made. I definitely have some looking into to do.

Thanks!

Always glad to help educate! Esp about something so amazing.

I was told (crystal, if it makes a difference) meth, but as I would never touch the stuff I had no idea of how it is taken, I wasn't in a position to deny it. Pcp makes more sense and sounds more likely to me though, but again, I have no knowledge in those areas besides popular opinion about them ^^;

The best decision anyone can make is to sty the hell away from meth, so I can totally understand that. I have a fascination with psychoactive chemicals and read up a lot. I go to raves and even if I choose not to ingest certain substances doesn't mean that an extensive knowledge of them can't be extremely useful to others who have either willingly or unwillingly ingested them. So I try to keep in the know with that kind of thing. Granted with research chemicals getting big both on the underground market and in the form of bath salts and spice, the waters are getting rather muddy for keeping up to date.

Oh trust me, I have seen the effects of meth first hand when a friend's boyfriend was on it (probably still is). I would love to have hallucinations that powerful, but the trade off is FAAAAARRRR too disproportionate to me. One word- NEVER.

I agree completely. Both about education, which I believe should be taught in high school, to a degree (Although it would -useful- to teach a teen how to roll a blunt properly, I think the facts about it's chemical make up, effects, and consequences should suffice for someone under 18.) Ignorance does no one any good in making an informed decision, and it's naive in the extreme to believe that such ignorance will stop someone from making a choice anyway.

And the dubious ground we're in because of bath salts and incenses (spice). When they start changing the chemical make up of something -just- to skirt the law, well, we're seeing proof from the damage to users that no good can come of it..

The halucinations from meth are actually a form of psychosis, essentially your brain is so overworked it is shooting random synapses to your senses. While intense they are almost always paranoid/frightening. My father was an IV meth user and mom has told me stories about him watching someone (that didn't exist) out the window, when mom would tell him there was no one there he would flip shit and say that it was her lover and that she was lying to cover for him, that he was waiting outside for my dad to go to sleep so he could take my mother out on a date. It's crazy stuff like that or I've seen people stomping at the floor because it was "covered in bugs". I've never heard of any "pleasant" hallucinations from meth. I've heard Cocaine psychosis is very similar to it as well.

Exactly! Maybe if we weren't telling kids that pot is a gateway drug, that people cook their babies on LSD and that 1 out of 10 ecstasy pills is fatal they will make better informed decisions when the situation arises. It blows my mind that people don't realize that once a teen realizes that they have been lied to, they throw everything away as a lie. There are seriously dangerous drugs out there and telling kids that if they smoke pot they will kill someone (anyone else remember those PSAs?) then how are they going to believe that smoking crack or doing heroin can really very easily kill you either by O.D. or in the process of trying to get the drugs (shot while stealing a car, killed by a john).

As far as all of that is concerned, I really feel like the most dangerous drugs on the market these days are legal Bath salts, spice, alcohol and just about every prescription narcotic on the market. Between adderal (literally a step down from meth) filling the medicine cabinets in every school and OxyContin now being evaluated for use in children as young as young as 7 ( http://abcnews.go.com/Health/powerf.....4#.UEZ4eiLzbDc ) I am utterly baffled by the concept of a "war on drugs".

The war on drugs is just like any other war.
Its okay to kill- as long as you're shooting the "right" direction.
Its the same with drugs, its okay to do them, as long as you're doing the "right" ones.

HOW things ended up this way, or rather, how we, as a society, let it get this far and why we allow it to continue, are what baffles me.

Greed. Plain and simple. Greedy people get pissed off when they can't exploit something as popular as drugs will always be and greedy people also tend to have the kind of money it takes to influence powerful people, since most powerful people came into power through greed anyway.

Never smoked laced weed, my buddy smoked salvia weed. he was all good though he played duckhunt and watched the ducks explode into ribbons XD

Ahh, good old Sage's weed.... Salvia is an experience in it's own right. That's frickin cool, I've heard alternating stories that Salvia+Weed makes both stronger, and makes both weaker. Never wanted to try em both at once in case either was true! Lol

yeah no i've dopne salvia before, its not the best mix with marijuana

I'd imagine the weed would get lost in the Salvia, effects wise..

I have been smoking for 10 years and I have bought weed that was laced with something exactly one time (and I don't even know what, it just made my pupils huge and I got extremely paranoid). Despite what the Freevibers say, drug dealers aren't all that into lacing their weed with more-expensive drugs then selling it to unsuspecting stoners at normal weed prices. Crazy, I know.

In any case, you couldn't propose a swifter, more decisive solution to that (non existent) problem than legalization and regulation. As far as I know, laced liquor is no longer an issue anymore. But hey, that's just logic.

hehe, well, I was thinking more like... instead of a pure product, its more like... 50% canabis, and 50% sawdust/bark/unknown same colored plant. In some bad cases I've read around there, people who want to gain more money by using less product, sometimes takes whatever they have at hand to mix it with. And that stuff can more often than not be a health risk.

Yeah, I know that does happen with shady dealers sometimes. I don't understand why anyone would bother cutting weed with other plant matter, (although if it was cut with damiana, blue lotus or wild dagga that might be an interesting experience, lol, but I'd still wanna know about it in advance) even if they were trying to stretch a small stash.

Seriously. Cutting it with anything from an herb cabinet or worse will just make people feel like shit and cause them to lose customers. Seems counter productive to me. =/

The worst thing I've ever had laced into my weed is oregano cuz the fucker was being cheap

Lookin' like Myth Busted

I feel ya, bro. This happened to me in London. The guy was trying to make his stash bigger considering his business was higher cuz of the Olympics. Not cool.

I'm thrilled that that was the only time this has happened to me. Every other time, it's been solid.

First bag of weed i ever paid for was fucking tea!

never happened, but I don't buy garbage

My friend copped a dime bag of some really shitty dirt weed in a pretty bad neighborhood once that was laced with PCP, and that was sure not what I was expecting to smoke. It's not like they just didn't say anything though, he was just too stupid to now the difference, and he neglected to mention it to me until after I asked him about it. See, they told him it was wet but he just thought that they meant it was really fresh and moist and when he looked at it this wasn't the case so he figured it was them trying to talk their product up. In reality, when people talk about getting wet, that means PCP obviously and anyone else could have told him that if someone were with him...

So laced weed does exist, but even then it's usually sold as such and if you're buying crappy weed in the hood you may come across it. If you buy your weed like a normal person and not in nick and dime bags from some shady corner boy (you know, like actual good nug...) then you'll be absolutely fine.

Think about it, other drugs are probably worth more by themselves, why would drug dealers waste their money by sneakily lacing their product and not telling you? And like the old mother's tale goes about them trying to get you hooked on some other substance so you'll come back for more- if you've ever smoked weed before then you would know that something fishy was up and never go back to that same guy again. And it's not like it's even remotely possible to just get hooked on something the first time you take it. You accidentally get a high you weren't suspecting and chalk it up to a bad experience.

Sure, you could certainly bug out and have a bad time if you somehow smoked an unknown chemical that you weren't expecting. Even then most actual hallucinogens can't be smoked as the heat destroys the chemical structure of the drug so it's not like you're accidentally gonna get a head full of acid without knowing it. Most you'll probably come across is just PCP and even then you'd really have to be buying some crap weed to find this, nobody sprays down good bud with the stuff, and I highly doubt they wouldn't tell you when buying it.

So long story short, does laced weed exist? Of course it does. Are you ever going to really have to worry about it being a problem though? No way. Just be smart

Yep! The few drugs that would work to lace in pot are rather pricey. it would be insane for any reason to just give them away. PCP is the cheapest and I'm just ever so happy it never became too popular. Terrible stuff, makes people batshit insane more than any other drug (from initial use, other drugs can cause nasty psychosis after regular use).

Oh I'm well aware laced weed exists, I meant more along the lines of "would anyone sell weed they intentionally laced without telling the person buying it that it was laced.

I have never had my product laced with anything, although I get it from a trusted friend who grows it himself. I have another friend who has had a bad experience, but the consensus currently is that it was likely laced with salvia, due to the effects he suffered. It was not purchased in that manner, but the friends he was sharing with had rolled the product themselves so they probably "spiced" it up a bit. He was not amused.

What effects? Just out of curiosity. I would hate to think of what salvia would be like if you weren't expecting it *shudders*

Crazy hallucinations, iirc. Said he stood at the exit to the movie theater, staring at the doors for 15 minutes, unable to comprehend what he was seeing (among other things). It sounds hilarious but that is still freaky if it were you experiencing it!

Oh god, a theater? Did he smoke it there? Salvia kicks in pretty immediately. Though I don't know how it would work mixed with weed.

This friend works maintenance at a theater and was up on the roof at the time of ingestion. He had to climb down a skinny dark ladder maintenance chute to even get off the roof, which he described as being an absolute terror itself.

I would imagine! 0.o

Yeeeaaahh salvia...not even once.

I've used it ceremonially, but I was well researched in the effects and in a very safe environment with an experienced babysitter. It has always been amazingly insightful, but I couldn't fathom doing it under those circumstances, let alone throwing in having no idea what he was getting into.

You are one of the few good trip reports I have EVER heard. Most people just don't do so well with it. I'll stick to MJ, DMT, and (when I'm no longer pregnant and can look into such things again) LSD. They never let me down ;)

My Gods.. I am SOO sorry for what happened to your friend, I would not wish that situation on anyone, and frankly considering where he was at the time, he may be lucky to be alive.

Salvia is (described to me by friends who use LSD) an acid trip condensed into fifteen minutes. It is no joke.

The reason there are so few good reports with Salvia is because it isn't a dick-around party drug. It is WAY too powerful for that. And most of the people who try it seem to have -0- experience with hallucinogens and usually very little common sense. It seems to attract utter idiots and children (a quick youtube search will confirm this) who have done NO research and have NO idea what they're getting into. My guess is they see a video on youtube of someone tripping on it, think it HAS to be fake, and then go out and buy the strongest extract they can find (The raw plant has little effect on its own. Most Salvia is sold as an extract. You can have VERY powerful hallucinations at as low as 13x- and people like to get around 60x + for their FIRST TIME. This is analogous to someone smoking Super Silver Haze in a vaporizer for their first high- but a thousand times worse because you have to try EXTREMELY hard to keep "this is a drug not reality" in mind on Salvia. It WILL make you lose your grasp on what is real or not.)

-I am not lying, the first time I smoked it I watched my swimming pool get up and dace around with the trees in my yard before they all ran away together- and I believed it really happened until I started coming down. My friend (we took turns and spotted each other) was looking down at a "puddle" (there was none) at her feet and watched an airplane fly overhead (I looked up- and saw the airplane She never looked up and it was too high to make any noise we could hear. I still have no explanation for this).-

Salvia is an amazing drug, it can open your mind in amazing ways, especially if you use it for religious/shamanistic purposes. BUT it is NOT something to take lightly. If crystal meth is the loaded gun of drugs, Salvia is a buck knife. You cant overdose, because smoking after a couple hits becomes all but impossible, and I do not think it is harmful as a chemical compound- but if you don't have enough respect for it, it will cut you. Depending on your situation and location, it could get you killed.

I would recommend it ONLY to experienced drug users, who have well informed themselves and have a high level of respect for it. NO ONE else should take Salvia. EVER.

Exactly! People think salvia is a recreational drug and it is not! It is very serious business. You can't expect or even hope for a "good" trip, you will, however if used properly learn a lot about yourself and if you are lucky, the universe.

My first salvia experience was rather cryptic and will explain a little better for those who don't understand quite how strong it is. As I exhaled the smoke (30x) I got a pressure/melting sensation like I could feel gravity in it's entirety along with a warmth (which as it was happening felt like I had peed myself, I didn't). Everything went black and when I opened my eyes I was a single piece of popcorn. I had no recollection of ever being human and can't even say that I was aware of what a human was at the time. I was in a bag that was full of popcorn and every time the hand would come in to grab a piece all the other pieces of popcorn would scream and cry and panic and I just laughed each time because I though it was silly. I thought to myself "sure, it's going to hurt, and it'll be over, but that will happen eventually. At least they get to see what's outside the bag." and it was like that until I started to come back to reality. I opened my eyes and after a few minuets got my bearings as a human again.

It was intense and it was a little scary, but I came to terms with the concept of death with that trip.

Also, it's rather common to feel small in a salvia trip, I would imagine that alone makes it unpleasant for some people.

When I was out-of-bodying on ayahuasca, I became a lego. Well, I was made of a bazillion legos, and I was taken apart and put into a huge mass of legos of the universe, and mixed up and put back together with other universal pieces, indicating to me that we are all connected. Except they kept taking me apart over and over and that got really annoying.

That's so awesome and kinda funny.

After the fact, yes. During, it was totally aggravating and a bit panicky lolol

It sound akin to DMT then, in terms of non-recreational and more spiritual/soul-searching. I might have to reconsider it purely on that information. DMT has been an excellent device here but I would never EVER recommend someone doing it like I did - watched someone have a mild, bland effect, like being really stoned, thought oh, that's not the breakthrough experience I want, let's up the dose... took more rue, larger dose of tea, and was out of my MIND (and body) for HOURS. It was incredibly sensational, and I'd do it again, but holy SHIT if I wasn't hoping for and expecting that, and knowing what to expect when/if it happened, I probably would've thought I had died. I have no desire to do that again anytime soon, as amazing as it was. It's possible a once-in-a-lifetime experience, for me.

And yeah, my friend is pretty lucky he didn't fall down that damned chute. Jesus.

Indeed!!

Try the song by JET called Look What You've Done. That video sound like what your trying to remember.

YES!!!!! Thank you!!!

I think what many used to call "laced" in high school was just really shitty weed: made you paranoid and sick instead of happy and calm. Product of poor breeding.

I agree. Quite a few reports of "laced" are probably people who think that weed can only be a positive experience, and if its a negative one, IT MUST BE LACED ON PURPOSE!
Sure, it cant kill you, and 99% of the time its all good- but to think that you could never even have a bad trip is just naive.

Its an illegal plant, if it isnt flushed properly before harvest (of fertilizers etc) or is transported improperly (I once had someone try to sell me some that REEKED of gasoline- because the guy they got it from hid the shit [b]in a full gas can[/i] just in case to fool drug dogs! I didn't buy it, but I'd bet if anyone did they had an unpleasant experience to say the least!) etc, it can become tainted accidentally, and that will effect things.

You would probably hit a dirty, (pipe used with other drugs) bowl before you ever smoked laced weed

I've done that before. I have an experience I cant explain that just didn't make sense as being pure weed. Learned my lesson though, I always check first now.

SWIM was once sold a bag that had been laced with coke. SWIM didn't know it had been laced, but didn't really feel anything different. It just tasted like super shitty, dry-rotted weed. So SWIM just got rid of the bag after only a few hits. The only reason he ever found out was because his source at the time told him. Needless to say, it was one of SWIM's last purchases from the guy

What a jackass. Did SWIM ever find out why the guy did it?? Was it a grudge or did he actually try to drum up business by getting his clients addicted to coke?
This is the closest Ive heard to the story being true...

No grudge or anything. The guy found out it was laced and just didn't want it. He just sold it to SWIM to get rid of it. It was the last thing he ever sold to him though...

SWIM gets muuuuch better stuff now

Shitty move... Could've sold it to a coke head at least. =/

Thats always good!

I had one time been sold a 20 sack laced with Windex from someone who called it "lemon kush" which of course it was NOT ACTUALLY. But anyway, I'd smoked it and did not like the vibes I felt.

That had been the only time I'd received a batch sprayed with another chemical let alone a cleaning agent. But it was from a dealer with a bad rep who was my last option on a desperate night. I'd been warned that he chopped "sprayed" weed but at the time I didn't think anything of it and couldn't honestly give a fuck.

But you should only go to someone you trust with your money and product. It's not an urban legend that you can get weed laced with anything but usually the only reason someone put's crack or cocaine in your weed is because it's a way to get you to come back for more. They want you addicted to their product but even still will only "sprinkle" some on, they're not investing a lot in you, ya know. THAT or they're just an asshole.