I've tried Spirit420, a legal herd... sort of substance containing marsh mellow plant and chemicals sprayed on it that has similar effects to marijuana. I have tried it a few times over the past couple of months and I'm 21.
I didn't mind the high, it was a bit of a head high and less of a couch lock. My friends swear by it though I'm skeptical of it due to not knowing the long term effects but it is nice if you have a high tolerance to most strains of marijuana.
It wasn't exactly what I was expecting... because it takes a lot less and hits you like a ton of bricks. At $42 for 4.2grams, it's rather fair for the price and is about par with most permo-weed.
They also have a similar product called GoldRush though the effects of that are more like cocaine and I refuse to try it as it's a bit more expensive but I guess it's the same chemicals as Spirit420 but more of it and the increase creates effects similar to doing blow.
Anyone else try Spirit420?

I guess I have also tried Salvia Divinorum and those effects... were less pleasant. Nothing like weed, more like tripping balls for 15 minutes... and it was rather uncomfortable at least for me. It's intense and if you are smoking it thinking it's going to be weed, you are so wrong.

Oh yes, Salvia is definitely not a casual drug. I'd pretty much suggest it for spiritual purposes only.

Agreed agreed. The next time if I ever do it it will be in a different setting than with a group of friends hanging out and drinking. >__<

You're probably talking about "incense"/"legal weed", am I right? I used to smoke the Mr Nice Guy, Aztec Warrior, and Guci brands.

I used to love it. To the point I pretty much got a mild addiction to it. Then people started going nuts because they kept changing the chemicals around to keep it on the shelves.. I finally got a detox by force- when the police in my area seized all of it from every store. I am grateful, because while it was awesome (I like head highs, and you're right, it hits you like a train after only a couple hits) I know now that if I'd have kept up I'd probably have a pretty serious addiction.

I don't trust that stuff anymore. Besides the fact that people are smoking it and beating up their grandmothers or punching up maternity wards- I just don't feel safe about it anymore. Like I said, they keep changing it to make it legal once they pass a law against it, who knows what we're actually smoking anymore? I don't wanna smoke something when I don't even know what it is. =/

I know what you mean, that's why I only smoke it on rare occasions. I haven't heard any negative things from people in the area about it, and nothing about addictions but again, me and many of my friends are not so daring to try this strange things. So you make VERY valid points. >__<

If I could offer any advice, I'd say smoke up what you've got and dont get any more again... The switch from fun to addicted flipped before I even realized what was happening.

I moved between states a while ago and lost all of my contacts. I used to take weed for certain emotional problems of mine and so quitting cold turkey wasn't an option- so I tried the incenses. The frequency I ended up taking them is what roped me in. It probably takes a lot to become addicted, as no one else around me did- but I haven't smoked the stufdf since- even though, and honestly, BECAUSE, I still get strong urges for it. I have no doubt if I let myself get ahold of some again, or was even around it, I'd get roped back in, and I do not want that ><!

Oh! I never buy the stuff, it's only if one of my friends has it instead of weed, and I may have to warn him... because he seems to be having a hard time quitting it so I am concerned...
Thank you so much for the warning!!!

I've tried synthetic weed and I can reccomend it in small doses. When combined with illegal weed it will derealize and depersonalize you, which can be pretty fucking terrifying if you don't have experience with psychedelics.

Salvia dinorum is NOTHING like weed at all and a completely new and novel substance.

I meant original herbs that they spray "synthetic weed" on, not that chemical JWH crap. And definitely not real synthetic weed like Marinol/Dronabinol.

Well, I happen to have a bowl of Salvia dinorum in front of me right now. It really is something that has to be experienced - it is nothing like any other drug I've tried. Definitely nothing like weed though.

Salvia isn't a new substance. It's a plant that has been in use for shamanistic purposes for quite some time.
although it really isn't comparable to marijuana. That's an entirely different drug.

I've never heard of this stuff... I probably wouldn't trust it myself XD

My sis and her husband tried it, from their experience it isn't quite like quality weed, rather than worse, but still within acceptable bounds.

Thing is, our government keeps illegalising those too.

Yeah, I didn't mean those "legal weed" chemical sprayed things, but the older legal herbs. The ones that have been on the shelves forever.

Oh, they were herbs. "Herbal tea", "fertiliser", whatever they're officially referred to. The sprayed stuff would probably be illegal over here, anyway.

the hidden ingredient not listed is usually a recent variety of the JWH series, which gives it the familiar Cannabis Kick.
073 is the best in my opinion. Consistent, familiar, and hardly takes the tinyest tinyest little speck at the end of a pin, dusted over (any generic herbal stuffing)
Down here in Florida, our attn. General Pamela Bondi did an emergency scheduling of ALL chemicals with ANY cannabinoid activity of any kind. so....

Most of the other herbs listed, are kinda sorta ok on their own. it's the poor man's mix. Tend to be harsh, and some leave a weird taste in my mouth. Passion Flower is nice though. It's a mild anti-depressant, and makes me horny.
tons of stuff on Erowid available and Wikipedia.

you talking about spice?! that shit was whack back when it first started. lately though i must say the aroma it produces feels very very similar to the high weed gives you. i would only smoke spice if no one else can come through with the real deal, and not that regg bullshit either.
Keep it Classy Furs~

No, definitely not talking about spice. That crap is unsmokeworthy in my eyes. It's bad 4 u man....

First time I did salvia was 20. I fell into the couch where I was unable to speak and unable to get help. I experienced panic and it ruined my experience. It was 15 minutes of uncontrlable laughter even though I was not happy and did not feel safe.

I might try it once more later down the road when I prepare myself a bit more mentally

Salvia divinorum is a plant that should never be considered anywhere in the same category as marijuana. It's not the same sort of experience at all.
And for those saying "I had a terrible experience, if I try it again, I will prepare myself/be in a different mood or setting," do not expect salvia to behave like shrooms or other hallucinogens. It has a different effect on your brain, and that's why the trip is so different and--for most people--scary. I've only tried it once, myself, and didn't even get much, but I've heard that's common for first timers.
While many entheogens cause hallucinations that can be pleasant and euphoric, salvia tends to cause panicky feelings and unease. Salvia activates a part of the brain known to modulate pain and commonly results in fear responses, chemically, in the brain. For someone wanting to expand their consciousness via shamanistic exploration of their psyche, this could be a desirable thing ... but for just some kid wanting a fun trip, salvia is not really the way to go.

that damn depressive kid who was the poster child for the ONDCP NIDA DEA and the FDA, had like 5 other things in him that he shouldn't have. Benadryl, bupropion, and nicotine. i remember on the memorial pages, i said like... "if he was depressed, where you YOU.. mom!" pretty mean, i know. damn kids these days

This so much.

Also, I hate when people say things like "salvia's not as good as weed." duuuurrr. They're COMPLETELY different - one's a social/unwinding drug and another is an intense experience all in itself. of course it won't be "as good". It's like saying "Alcohol is not as good as shrooms." That may be a point, but they're completely different.

Damiana, Blue Lotus, Wild and Klip Dagga, Salvia Divinorum, Marijuanilla, Wild Lettuce, Yerba, Calea Zacatechichi, Sinicuichi, Cali Poppy, Kanna, Coltsfoot, Migwort, Celadine, Mullien, Marshmallow, Kratom.

EDIT--Folks, I am not talking about "legal weed" or "incense", that is a topic for it's own discussion. This is about the herbs listed above, not a drug that uses some of these herbs and has some chemical sprayed on it

Sorry for reposting what you said, thought it might help.

I've had plenty of experiences with the Salvia Divinorum plant! Once I got past the taste it was one of the most spiritual herbs I've ever had the pleasure of trying. Most people have bad trips about Salvia because of all they've heard about it being such a terrible drug. With most psychedelics (most, not all), you have to be in a good state of mind to enjoy the trip.

I started smoking it at 15, and yeah the first few times were a bit intense, my first time actually as soon as I exhaled the smoke, everything around me just melted into one little ball that regrew into some kind of Mexican game show :|

After some experience smoking from 5x up to 80x, smoking every day at least once a day I realized I could control the salvia trip. Then the 5 minutes it lasts is kind of a letdown :p

Erowid's a good place to scout information.
Dagga is great, mixing with flavored pipe tobacco, a lot of these herbs are very subtle and you kinda have to use a lot.
the most ocmmon Damiana and Scullcap are rather tasty and floral almost.

Kratom..... i must say is interesting, it's like the poor man's opiate. tastes HORRIBLE, nauseatingly nasty. lasts a couple hours and has a horrible crash, makes me irritable as hell. But i'e gone through at least a couple pounds in my day.

i should add...

i wouldn't trust a prepared "Mix", since they're not food products, i do not know WHAT unknown research chem is in it. So i prefer to stay with single entity things.

Ok, so yea, I'm just a lost shep who doesn't know what any of this is!! What is smoking?! :o
My buddy SWIM wrote all this stuff...

Herbs like Damiana, Blue Lotus, Wild and Klip Dagga, have mild effects when taken in alone. So mild, that I really don't see the point of it. I've heard people say "they increase your libido", but in my opinion, no more than a piece of chocolate would. I never found any mind trips. I guess you could say my body felt a little weird, but more just exhausted. I've had Damiana, Blue Lotus , Wild and Klip Dagga on multiple occasions, but never really found any gratification in them. Only a reason to cough. I don't recommend them.

Salvia Divinorum however....phew....what an experience. I've had it on 3 separate occasions, all about 1 to 2 years ago. I remember each time almost perfectly. Only one of the experiences I could actually say I enjoyed though. I was in my friends car, passenger seat and had about eh...a decent pinch packed in a water pipe. Salvia Divinorum typically comes in different strengths: 2x, 5x, 10x, 20x,100x etc. but the kind I had purchased came rated by color: purple (weakest available), blue, green, yellow, orange, red (strongest available). I had red, and this was my first time trying it. The instructions the salvia came with... (instructions? WTF, right?!) told me to hold it for 30 seconds, which was surprisingly easy...I think. After inhaling, I only had maybe 20 seconds before an intense mind high hit. Suddenly, I felt as if the car was spinning around me. I could see all 360 degrees around me at once, and I was rotating if that makes sense. I was sort of freaked out by the this feeling, but sort of enjoyed it at the same time. I also felt extremely wet, as if I was sweating intensely or if I had peed myself, however I was completely dry. These feelings went on and became stronger for a few minutes, then took about an 30 or so minutes to die down, however the feeling did linger slightly all day.
The 2nd time I tried Salvia Divinorum was a bit more scary to me. I purchased the same type a few months later, and re-read the instructions. It actually told me to try 0.5 GRAMS! and hold it for 30 seconds. I now regret trying to. This time I was smoking in a friend's bathroom with him, out of a small pipe. After taking the hit, I held a towel to mouth to help contain the smoke. Once again, when 20 seconds hit the trip began, only this time I completely lost my sense of surrounding. I felt unconscious at first, then almost started dreaming. I saw a bunch of crazy patterns of lines repeating themselves all around me, and for some reason felt like it was the meaning to the universe. XD When people say it can be a very spiritual experience, they arent kidding. My religious beliefs were different for about a week! Anyway, the line patterns were rather intense, and lasted for what felt like a good half hour, before very slowly dying down. Once again, the feeling lingered, but much longer this time. Maybe a good 2 days. Now my friend, who was with me while smoking had quite an interesting story for me when I came back to my full self. Apparently, after smoking, I threw the towel I was holding and ran out of the room. Then, in the next room, I sat down in a chair and started yelling for someone to "shut the fuck up" and later tried explaining how the universe is built.....I'm not even getting into that. @.@
In the end, my opinion of Salvia Divinorum is to try it if you are really that curious about it. However be warned, it can be intense if you don't limit the amount and strength of it you choose to take in. It can be scary, but pleasant and spiritual in moderation
I don't know much about the rest of the herbs listed aside from Kratom, which just tasted to damn nasty for me to even get a small dose. I tried mixing it with things, but eh...I just couldn't.

But now I don't really touch herbs like these. None are as great as our good friend Mary! Just stick with the ganja ya fuzzies!!!

~SWIM

Kratom has viable psychoactive effects which, if an extract is used or the taste is overcome, feel moderately opiate with a secondary warm, stimulated effect in my experience. it's illegal in parts of the world because it (like any opiate) can be addictive. It also can tear up your stomach if you combine with heavy food, etc... or just have a sensitive stomach.

I found damiana lacked any aphrodesiac properties, i did think it did something. Something hard to put my finger on, but something nonetheless...mild stimulation, muscle relaxation when smoked, warmth all over...*shrug* When smoked, though, the taste is sweet, floral and pleasant...almost sour, so regardless of psychoactive impotence I never found it a bad addition to tobacco or bud.

depends on if its natural or not fuck chemicals that shit is horrible for you I don't care how high it will get me

I nearly got kill but that synthetic weed shit. Only real stuff for me!

I have tried a handful of the synthetic sprayed herbs or "spice" as they're referred to (you know like K2 and the such. A few of the JWH-xxx and other similar chemicals) but none of them have really ever done any for me. The most I got ever out of one was a shitty burnt-out feeling for about 20 minutes.


I have had some awesome experiences with Salvia though.
I know many people aren't big fans of the stuff and I can understand how it could be scary to someone who was not expecting it, or it can seem just disorientating and downright uncomfortable to someone who was expecting a "real" or "normal" psychedelic trip (similar to that of acid, mushrooms, or even many of the new RCs out there). But I have had nothing but positive experiences with the stuff. I have experimented with it dozens of times over the years from about the age 18-21 trying different strength extracts and even but some raw leaves to make tea and quids from. I will say though that 90% of the stuff you buy from stores is pretty much garbage. I have found that buying it from people who share an interest in it and took the time to make a good quality extract is always the way to go.
Another cool thing about salvia is it's anti-depressant qualities. Studies have been done on the topic to look for an actual medical use even, when taken in small doses it produces no high but will actually naturally lift your mood and make you less prone to depression for a few days. Even when taken in huge doses once the short lived high wears off I tend to be in a really good mood for almost the next week, and it's not a drug-induced happy feeling, it just honestly makes the mind at ease for some reason.

Unfortunately I haven't had the chance to do any in the last 3-4 years but I am still fond of it. I'd love to do some again now that I think of it again though. It would really improve my mood I think it would be good for me, and recreational too of course!

I tried passionflower... smoked it, it only gave me a horrible headache. Its suppose to make you have nice dreams though.

I also tried Damiana, but consumed and drank it only. Its suppose to heighten your sexual arousal/libido, but for me being asexual it did nothing. Same with horny goats weed, did nothing but made my body more sexually ready downstrairs, still felt no arousal or anything. Same goes for Tongkat herb (ingested via herbal capsules and mixed in a drink).

Big waste of money for me, for someone struggling with sexual libido problems.

*I am lying, Ive never smoked weed in my life. The following sentences are fictional*
Weed available in the Daytona Beach area of Florida seemed to make me pretty horny almost every time I smoked it, and I smoked reggies to mids (not crap, apparently the standard for weed is higher in Florida? IDK, because whenever I've tried "regs" elsewhere, its ditch weed, but regs in Florida seem to be everyone else's mids...*shrug* ). My dealers sourced from Miami and Orlando. Georgia Fire weed also seems to have a libido stimulating effect, but I have only smoked it a couple times a few years ago, so I can't speak for it as strongly.

I've had damiana (ohgodtheeffectonmylibido ._. TMI but too bad <_<)
mugwort is a personal favorite for smoking and tea.
blue lotus is nice to mix.
Yet to get my paws on all the others, being stuck at home limits what I can smoke...and my availability of incense to cover it lol

I noticed people talking about synthetic weed, it's something I won't ever touch. Why would I have the fake crap when I can get better real stuff xD

Also, salvia...gonna get my paws on some of that soon, not really legal here (from what I'm told), either way, will be a experience and a half XD

Bad experience w/you spice/ K2! Sticking to the real deal from now on. Substitute weed is BS! Whether legal or not.

Salvia: small doses when you're worry-free. Simple as that.

I have a smoke blend from my local metaphysical shop that has damania and a few other similar herbs, it lifts the spirits and has a similar over all feeling to cannabis, And I use Canna from the local smokeshop to help with my anxiety, just one or two puffs and the anxiety is just gone. I overall endorse legal herbs if you do your research on them ahead of time. Then again, I'd hope it wouldnt get too out, because people knowing about it is what got Salvia possession illegalized and turned into a felony overnight (in floriduh at least). I had the fortune of trying Salvia just before it became illegal. Not the concentrate, but the dried leaves. I had such vivid dreams that night. I thoroughly enjoyed it.

There's a new synthetic weed called Sativ X its suppose to be for the weed smoker that doesn't want to get high. I don't personally know anyone like that though. I went through a salvia and spice phase, it almost messed me up too. Some of that stuff is just a hardcore hallucinagine. Just stick to weed kids, it's safer.

tried salvia, tried too much T.T never..again.. this was about two years ago i think i was 16, with my older brother lol!