I don't think it's Arizona furs, as such. It's a couple of folks, and the mistaken idea that you're all the Tucson Mob.

I LIKE most everyone in the Tucson mob that I've met, and even the folks I don't like I respect, and probably would like if we hung out socially.

Well, it only takes a few bad apples. I never met George Klontz, but I assume he didn't actually deserve to be tortured like that. And it's not like I'm hearing it third hand. The torturers made comic books on the subject.

what are you talking about exactly?

George Clontz, of George Comics fame. George was, apparently, a retarded man who they tortured until he committed suicide. https://forums.vivisector.org/index.php?topic=10.0 has a bit about it. It's really pretty sad.

It's certainly interesting, but Jom Groat lives in Madison Wisconsin, which is not yet part of Arizona afaik.

and I live in Philadelphia, not New York, but that doesn't mean I didn't once live in New York.

I get that, but I judge PA based on folks from PA and NY on folks from NY, IE people that live there, and the sphere areas of there. It seems odd that we're judged by Jim Groat and not by people who actually reside here.

well, he was hardly the only one who tortured George. copies of George Comix can still be found around.

George is neither dead nor retarded. That link is full of hearsay but some of it is damned funny!

George's not dead? As for hearsay, I've got Groat's own stories to go on.

lol most furries i met will only stay your friend if you give them stuff. lot of them also have this ego thing about themselfs. then you got murrfags(anyone who says murr reminds me of a retard doing a mating call) and then the people who goto meets who dont realize this is a public place, where you cant walk another person on a leash and the fact that it isnt a suiter makes it just that much worse. *rambles on* i use to be borderline but now most of the time i dont even want to goto furry parties or really look for furries as a way to find friends ill just stay over here and do my own thing and of paths cross they cross. *shrugs* RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE! arizona does suck because all the talent here and all the stupid drama that prevents this state from having a convention.

Ahh, yeah we don't have the leash problem here in Tucson, I don't know if we're too conservative or what, somehow we manage to keep a lid on at least some bad behavior in public.

Honestly, I think politics plays heavily into it. I've heard some other furs say some real nasty shit about the state, because they are non to fond of the way things go down there (whether real or perceived).

And of course, that then gets relayed onto the furs of there.

Yeah, see this is what I'm talking about, I'd really appreciate a signal boost on this one (like if you could make a journal directing folks here), because I'm not sure how people perceive our state.

We don't have big rallies at the Zeppelin grounds where Jan Brewer yells at us and pounds the lectern then we all march about in geometric patterns holding up our regiment banners, then smash all the hispanic shops...

People don't conduct business in dark alleys for fear of the secret Arizona Police snatching them up to reeducation centers.


Seriously, we're actually VERY socially liberal here, we're just very conservative about a few issues, like leaving people the hell alone, not stealing benefits without paying for them, and everyone is free to carry a gun.

I don't get it. I liked Arizona when I visited. Though I was 11 at the time...