Preacher On Segregation and Gay Rights
13 years ago
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I agree with this guy. You have the patience to find out why? :)
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IT'S A MISTERY
See where I am going with this?
Being gay is a choice.
http://www.cnn.com/2011/11/16/opini.....ice/index.html
http://www.apa.org/helpcenter/sexua.....ientation.aspx
http://www.ama-assn.org/ama/pub/abo.....ientation.page
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rFR7qogTuxM
It's people like you who need to understand the truth about being gay. I am 59 years old and gay all my life. I can remember at age SEVEN that I was different, and had drawings to show I KNEW the difference.
Either way it goes, I just calls it as I sees it.
Looking at the evidence, people I know, and my own personal experiences, being gay isn't something that 90% of people who are gay choose to be. I hit puberity and was attracted to guys, that's all I know about me. I never liked girls sexually or romantically after puberity even though by all other accounts I was a totally normal boy growing up and interested in "guy" things.
At the same time you can't really say that people who are gay were *born* that way. It isn't that simple. You could have 3 brothers all grow up the exact same way and one will end up gay, simply due to his personality type and interests naturally having him like guys when he is of-age. You could have a guy who grows up in the most gay friendly environment possible but still be straight.
It's "genetic" in the sense that some people are going to be born with their brains wired in a certain way that makes homosexual interests the only possible choice. Other people are born with their hard-wiring not being like that, but maybe their childhood experiences make them bisexual or gay. Other people aren't really gay at all, maybe hetero-bi, but due to their experiences in life *choose* to be gay, as a type of statement or interest rather than being "hard wired" to like guys.
There's no hard evidence that you are born with a gay gene just as much as there being no evidence that gay people *choose* to be gay (when in fact, most gay guys growing up would rather be straight - I know I did. If it was a choice, I would have been straight growing up, even though now I totally accept it as a part of my being).
The truth is most likely in the middle - people who are gay almost always never choose to be gay, but why they become gay is probably a complex series of events molded by not only genetics/personality type, but the type of experiences that person has and how their mind develops as a child in response to those experiences.
I agree what you say though, you choose to be gay but more on the fact that you choose to be publicly gay. Honestly if a gay guy and a black man walked past a group of racist homophobic men the gay guy will have a higher chance of getting away without being harassed hell even a gay couple can play it off as if they're just friends, unless one has a tattoo on his forehead saying "I'M GAY".
Thanks a lot ASSHOLE...I can see how little you took away from our previous conversation
Here's the thing about me, I never remember every little fact, I'm better at memorizing and wording broader strokes of information.
Sometimes I need to be reminded to get my mind in the right place sometime.
I can assure you, I'm not an asshole just a fool.
Calling a persons sexuality a mental disorder is not politically correct...its WRONG!
Disorder implies something that is wrong, something that needs to be fixed, and like I told you in the previous conversation that's not something that really applies here now is it??
I was well aware of what you were getting at, but still very pissed off about how poorly you said it. Words have meaning, take the time to use the right ones ya know?
That's what I said, politically incorrect means wrong but I guess you can't compare calling someone black instead of African American with telling someone they have a mental disorder when they're gay.
Of course, there's nothing wrong with being gay, but I'm directing my point more on the idea that's it's in your head, just like a conscious or personality.
I tried but I really couldn't think of the appropriate words for the idea. If you could give me a better word I'd more than gladly use it the next time the subject is brought up.
Sexual orientation is something you're born with and your brain has sub-conscious control over it. It's not a mental disorder since it could be categorize with normal things, whether you're born to be more playful or serious, athletic or lazy, hygienic or sloppy. It's not something that needs to be fixed, but if we wanted to we could drug someone to change their habit.
Sexuality is WAY more complicated and complex then things like demeanor or habit, it cuts much deeper then that.
There is no known drug that can change sexuality. I think you might do well to look into it and read up on this a bit.
Well I think if someone were to make a drug that can change someone's sexuality from straight to gay or gay to straight, then it would prove it's all in the brain.
Well I haven't heard of any writings about this stuff, besides the heavily bias writing that's main focus is supporting or protesting gay rights. Know of any writings that focus more on the science of why or how people are like this?
Well I think if someone were to make a drug that can change someone's sexuality from straight to gay or gay to straight, then it would prove it's all in the brain.
Sure...get back to me when that actually happens though because as of right now we are no were near that ability with science, I for one doubt we EVER will be there.
Well I haven't heard of any writings about this stuff, besides the heavily bias writing that's main focus is supporting or protesting gay rights
No offence dude but how hard did you look?? Why not start out with the APA or some of the other acreditied mental health reserch bodies? As I have said before they all have come to the same conclusion.
I'm going to be honest. I didn't look at all since this doesn't interest me to the point of informing myself more about especially since knowing this information isn't really going to make a difference on how I treat or respond to people with different sexual orientations. Don't get me wrong, just because it doesn't interest me doesn't mean it doesn't matter. I'm not interested in looking up complex mathematical formulas, but they're still beneficial to the advancement of our world.
With what little I do know on the subject, gay people don't choose to be gay, they're not hurting anyone, the world has managed to go on with homosexuals for billions of years now, and no form of science, religion, or logic will ever tell me it's wrong.
I know it's good to know more about this subject, but is there really more I NEED know about this? Plenty of emphasis on the "need".
My advice to you is to simply with hold your opinions on things you don't know much about, and to choose your words better.
I can, have, and will continue to, point out that your opinion does not hold water and has no real reason, science, or data to back it up, and flies in the face of common sence. I lump your opinion (on this topic) with the Flat Earth society, creationists, and hardline fundie theists.
To put it another way, don't take a dog to a pony show.
Good times dude.
Wow..you.. just.. don't.. get it do you??
I don't have much else to add, you fail logic, reason, and fairplay, on such a basic level I have nothing to work with, and since you dodge every point I bring up and ignore my challenges and questions I don't see much reason to keep going. I told you 3 posts ago to give me a real reply or to not bother...and that went over your head with the same speed as everything else I said. Did you turn up any medical journals like you said you could?? Still waiting on that one.
I care if what I believe is true....You don't, feel free to keep believing your crap (it is your right) I'm sure the world won't loose sleep as it passes you by. nuff said.
FYI No more replies will be read and no more replies will be written from me.
Some really take offense to being told that blacks or women had it harder since gays can hide it. Though it's true, they don't like the idea of being told to hide their sexuality under any circumstance. Also, some just don't like being compared to other civil rights movements the way you'd compare a child to their older better off sibling.
No actually you can't. ALL of the major, legitimate, credable, peer reviewed, medical associations on BOTH sides of the pond have ALL come back saying that not only is there an inborn element to sexuality, but that any/all attempts to forcefully change a person's sexuality is harmful to the person....and they have been saying this since the 70s.
I can say with confidence that the only things you will find are "medical" associations with an agenda to push, with little or no review or science to back up what they say.
Again, skin color and sexuality are not the same...but the logic of the haters and naysayers is VERY much the same, as this preacher proves.
I don't know why that's so hard for you (or anyone else) to grasp.
Point proven.
THE...LOGIC...IS...THE...SAME.....THAT..IS..THE..POINT..PEOPLE...ARE...MAKING,
I don't know why this is so hard for you to grasp, I have yet to see anyone equate the two issues as equal in terms of form or function.
"Ya know...even though its punishable by death in this nation I think I'm gonna be Gay, that's a good idea for me, I sure hope I can pull this off without getting caught though"
Come on man you ARE smarter then that.
I hope.
You know most of society doesn't accept your sexuality choice, so why put it out there for everyone to see and talk shit about?
Nobody can tell if someone is gay by looking at them, it's really not possible.
Cause this is MY world too, and I'm sure as hell not going to spend my one lifetime being meek and small just so that the haters can pretend that I don't exist. Seriously dude, if a black man (for example) COULD hide his skin color would you be encouraging him to do so?? Its a hypothetical quesion so don't waste my time with that "Race and sexuality are not the same" bullshit that you are posted all over here, give me a REAL reply. Furthermore the issue we are talking about here is the rights of gay couples to marry I'm pretty sure that qualifies as a private contract, between adults, about personal lives and thus NOT about how out or in a person is.
It's not really about smarts.. it's common sense.
Indeed it is...but sadly (for you) common sense is actually on my side on this one, as well as logic, reason, and the founding ideas of the USA.
How is that search for medical journals that prove your point going for you by the way?? I'm just curious
Also are you going ever reply to my points? Or tackle the questions I have posed to you??
You chose to be gay, you deal with the consequences of it. Period.
You choose to be ignorant...good luck with that one.
But it makes sense to you that people CHOOSE being gay...even back in the 1920s when it was a criminal act?? It makes sense to you yo CHOOSE to be gay and be discharged from the armed forces back in the 1980s?? It makes sense to you for someone to CHOOSE to be be gay in the middle East were the punishment is death TO THIS DAY??
I'm sorry if this sounds mean dude but the idea that people would CHOOSE any of those options make NO SENSE, your logic is pretty weak on this one.
Key word mine... not yours i dont care what you think about it in all regards i was not talking to you the first place. eather way you put it its still a knife that cuts on both ends asy you said if its punisable by death you are saying your born to die....
What i think and what you think dont have to match i was simply saying i share the same thoughts as some one else. keep your logic to yourself and if you cant speak in a pofessonal mannor dont bother to say it at all.
This is a public forum, if you post on it the public (like me) gets to reply to it, I don't care if you were talking to me or not. To put it another way if you can't take the heat get out of the kitchen.
keep your logic to yourself
Its not MY logic...or YOUR logic, its JUST LOGIC. Something is logical or it is not, something is reasonable or not, it does not matter who makes the claim, the claim stands on its own merits. Its not my fault your notions don't make sense, and that logic sides AGAINST what you believe. Its not a knife that cuts both ways...my way cuts like a razor, your way is too dull to cut anything.
Furthermore don't leave posts full of spelling and grammar errors and then tell me I need to be more professional with mine. Fact of the matter is I'm giving you more respect then you have earned thus far. Simply put I'm going to assume English is not your first language and you need to brush up on how reason and proof works.
So lets do something real...or you can walk away, your move.
VS
Saying people are second class citizens because of a genetic trait.
You're right... completely different.
In the words of the hilarious Wanda Sykes...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1_wWJ-_4uSY
Not exactly the same but they have their similarities.
He earns 1,000 points.
This guy has brains and guts.. I like him.
It'd delicious...
Let not our decision be based on the sins of our fathers.
Thanks for sharing.
Marc
What a great person to tell the true.
I like at the very end, when the guy goes towards him and it looks like a security guard about to arrest him. XD
thanks for sharing
See? We were right all along, letting blacks marry with us white people has lead to gays and lesbian demanding equal marriage too. What's next? Humans marrying animals?
History fact: It was a preconception that Africans had darker skin because they were descendants of Cain and as a result had the Mark of Cain.
http://christiandefense.org/mor_black.htm
loved this.
"So is not treating your body like a temple. And ladies should have their head covered. And in Deuteronomy, a marriage is only valid if the woman is a virgin, and she should be executed if she is not....and that anyone who commits adultery should be stoned to death. In Mark, divorce is prohibited. I assume for homosexuality, you're referring to Leviticus 18:6: "you shall not lie with a male as one lies with a female. It is an abomination." A similar verse occurs two chapters later, in Leviticus 20:13: "A man who sleeps with another man is an abomination and should be executed." Leviticus is a holiness code written 3,000 years ago. It also includes prohibitions against round haircuts, tattoos, working on the Sabbath, wearing garments of mixed fabrics, eating pork or shellfish, getting your fortune told, and even playing with the skin of a pig. (there goes football!)."
He goes on to state a few more things in a more Atheist manner, but here is my view on this. Anything before the New Testament should be read and understood. Everything in the New Testament should be read and practiced. The Old Testament, is pretty much Judaism, back when you had to sacrifice a lamb every time you sinned.
For those of you who might want to try educating a homophobic friend or family member, hiding behind the Bible for their excuse of hate, please visit and read the contents of this website: http://christiangays.com/
http://www.religioustolerance.org/homosexu.htm
http://www.religiondispatches.org/a.....ation%E2%80%9D
The USA has a Bill of Rights, which state "life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness."
Christian conservatives need to understand that.
MY life, MY liberty, an dMY pursuit of happiness.
To everyone else who does not believe as I do .. be Damded!!!!
Enough Said. :3
now what?
I have to stand up and applaud this Christian churchman for having the courage of his beliefs and for poking a rather large hole in the God Hates Fag beliefs fostered by the folks who want to use the Bible (or any Holy Book for that matter) as a club and for pointing out that it was that very same “club” that not so many decades ago was used to promote bigotry and racial injustice.
Bravo Reverend!!! *standing applause* Bravo RrowdyBeast!!!
The same thing goes on with internecine matters. This same religion makes people it disapproves of (it used to be witches, now it's homosexuals) the target of derision, ridicule - and is definitely responsible for family friction and a number of suicides just because a child can't tell their parents their sexual orientation, or friends, or be known to be this way at their school or workplace.
This is the way it should be...? So a religion can be righeous and justified? Is this the price? How much blood does this god of theirs require anyway?
That being said...
Am I the only one who noticed the girl in the background recording the man's speech with her Game Boy covered iPhone? If I were straight, I'd fuck her! LOLS