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13 years ago
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What do you plan on doing with all the rope and that ballgag in you hands?
Just a bit of a detour here, but 
dracolicoi is having some trouble getting votes for the current round of his Fur Wars Tournament. If you have a few minutes to spare, please take a look and help out.
Fur Wars details can be found here: http://furwarstournament.blogspot.m.....rules_103.html
Current round can be found here: http://www.furaffinity.net/view/9195054/
Important note about your vote:
-Be sure to start it off with saying, "My vote is for [NAME]" or "[NAME] wins" or some other combination that states who you're voting for or who you think should win.
-Remember to give a reason why you're voting for the fighter in question, but get technical. Don't just say, "I like his design" or "I think he's hot" or something non-nonsensical like that. You need to comment on their abilities and the character's story that is featured just before the comments.
Here's an example of what I wrote for my analysis, but yours doesn't need to be nearly as detailed. XD
"Hmmmmmmmm....tough choice...
My vote has to go to Kouya.
But just barely.
Kouya has a very unique set of moves that really focus on the defensive and he seems to rely more on his opponent doing the work for him.
This can be a double-edged sword as early one he's still vulnerable. His bounce won't deflect many attacks, but as the fight goes on he becomes harder to hurt. This paired up with his Ultimate makes it even more difficult in the later stages of the fight. And then there's his Black Cat Aura which can cause some havoc against his opponents timing, strategy, and rhythm, but I like Darryl's idea of focusing and being aware of everything so that nothing catches him by surprise.
Speaking of, Darryl has the ability to dish out some decent damage, disarm Kouya and even counter Kouya's attacks every 4th attack or so the percentage suggests. Even his ultimate is quite powerful. However, I'm not sure, due to lack of knowledge of Kouya's abilites, that he knows to how to handle Kouya once he has all of his mojo going. I suspect this fight would go for some while due to Kouya halving Darryl's damage and Darryl countering some of Kouya's attacks. This overall favors Kouya and in the end I think will be Darryl's undoing for victory.
But I might have rethought my decision if Darrylwolf had picked up on an interesting idea regarding the way Kouya ended his story. Granted he didn't know how Kouya's story would go, but it must have occurred to him that his ultimate might get reflected back at him. Interestingly enough, all Darryl would have to do is take advantage of his Sticky Fingers ability to re-direct his own attack back towards Kouya again. This could possibly have the attack go back and forth several times until eventually, Kouya can't reflect it again. In which case it's also possible that he gets hit with a random status effect of his own making. But because it wasn't considered I can't really factor it into Darryl's explanation for victory. I also shouldn't necessarily consider this in favor of Kouya either since he missed the idea that Darryl could catch his own attack and throw it right back like a game of catch. However, Kouya made a good point that Darryl might have been so surprised to see his own attack coming back at him that he didn't think to catch it, granted if he could.
Just a thought.
Once again though, this was a tough fight to decide on. Two unique styles, especially Kouya's and so many factors to consider. I hope we get more of these because these are kind of fun to analyze. :D
Best of luck to you both! ^_^ "
-The stats are pretty straight forward, Power is physical strength and prowess, Speed is how fast one moves and ability to avoid attacks, Intelligence is magical power and adaptability, Awareness is ability to notice your surroundings and ability to react, and lastly there is Endurance which is divided into Physical Endurance and Magical Endurance which defends and endures against attacks based on whether they are Physical based or Magical based.
-Everyone has 3 basic attacks they can use all the time, unless stated otherwise and one ultimate that can only be used once per fight.
-There also elements which most characters have that they have an affinity for. This really only matters for some attacks or defenses and the effect the arena might have.
-Status effects do different things when they happen. You can read that in the rules in the link I posted above. :P
Anything I've missed can be found in the link above.
Thanks for your help. ^_^
dracolicoi is having some trouble getting votes for the current round of his Fur Wars Tournament. If you have a few minutes to spare, please take a look and help out.Fur Wars details can be found here: http://furwarstournament.blogspot.m.....rules_103.html
Current round can be found here: http://www.furaffinity.net/view/9195054/
Important note about your vote:
-Be sure to start it off with saying, "My vote is for [NAME]" or "[NAME] wins" or some other combination that states who you're voting for or who you think should win.
-Remember to give a reason why you're voting for the fighter in question, but get technical. Don't just say, "I like his design" or "I think he's hot" or something non-nonsensical like that. You need to comment on their abilities and the character's story that is featured just before the comments.
Here's an example of what I wrote for my analysis, but yours doesn't need to be nearly as detailed. XD
"Hmmmmmmmm....tough choice...
My vote has to go to Kouya.
But just barely.
Kouya has a very unique set of moves that really focus on the defensive and he seems to rely more on his opponent doing the work for him.
This can be a double-edged sword as early one he's still vulnerable. His bounce won't deflect many attacks, but as the fight goes on he becomes harder to hurt. This paired up with his Ultimate makes it even more difficult in the later stages of the fight. And then there's his Black Cat Aura which can cause some havoc against his opponents timing, strategy, and rhythm, but I like Darryl's idea of focusing and being aware of everything so that nothing catches him by surprise.
Speaking of, Darryl has the ability to dish out some decent damage, disarm Kouya and even counter Kouya's attacks every 4th attack or so the percentage suggests. Even his ultimate is quite powerful. However, I'm not sure, due to lack of knowledge of Kouya's abilites, that he knows to how to handle Kouya once he has all of his mojo going. I suspect this fight would go for some while due to Kouya halving Darryl's damage and Darryl countering some of Kouya's attacks. This overall favors Kouya and in the end I think will be Darryl's undoing for victory.
But I might have rethought my decision if Darrylwolf had picked up on an interesting idea regarding the way Kouya ended his story. Granted he didn't know how Kouya's story would go, but it must have occurred to him that his ultimate might get reflected back at him. Interestingly enough, all Darryl would have to do is take advantage of his Sticky Fingers ability to re-direct his own attack back towards Kouya again. This could possibly have the attack go back and forth several times until eventually, Kouya can't reflect it again. In which case it's also possible that he gets hit with a random status effect of his own making. But because it wasn't considered I can't really factor it into Darryl's explanation for victory. I also shouldn't necessarily consider this in favor of Kouya either since he missed the idea that Darryl could catch his own attack and throw it right back like a game of catch. However, Kouya made a good point that Darryl might have been so surprised to see his own attack coming back at him that he didn't think to catch it, granted if he could.
Just a thought.
Once again though, this was a tough fight to decide on. Two unique styles, especially Kouya's and so many factors to consider. I hope we get more of these because these are kind of fun to analyze. :D
Best of luck to you both! ^_^ "
-The stats are pretty straight forward, Power is physical strength and prowess, Speed is how fast one moves and ability to avoid attacks, Intelligence is magical power and adaptability, Awareness is ability to notice your surroundings and ability to react, and lastly there is Endurance which is divided into Physical Endurance and Magical Endurance which defends and endures against attacks based on whether they are Physical based or Magical based.
-Everyone has 3 basic attacks they can use all the time, unless stated otherwise and one ultimate that can only be used once per fight.
-There also elements which most characters have that they have an affinity for. This really only matters for some attacks or defenses and the effect the arena might have.
-Status effects do different things when they happen. You can read that in the rules in the link I posted above. :P
Anything I've missed can be found in the link above.
Thanks for your help. ^_^
That and I voted in the first round because "Help, we need votes!" and got told my vote was worthless. Soooooooo....
I saw your post and you were nullified for not giving a real reason to your vote. Personally, I appreciate that you took the time to vote, but it wouldn't have taken more than another minute to give a good reason. Just a good point is good enough. "[NAME] is at a disadvantage because of the arena so I don't think he can overcome it." It's a valid point and makes sense and more to the point it's quick. ;)
I understand if you have a hard day at work and can't think to hard on it. If it's too much, you don't have to vote. People will understand. Do consider though that all the competitors did put a bit of effort into creating their characters, having them drawn up, and writing out all their stories so it only seems fair for the voter to put in a minute or two into their vote. Don't you think? :)
You think this removes popularity? That's utter crap. What's going to stop someone from getting all their friends to hop in and write "A's story was great. He deserves to win. He has better stats." It's the same thing, right? But it's still a biased lie. And is this a fighting contest or a writing contest? You're muddling what it is.
And yes, I completely think it is utter bullshit and stupidity to go "OMG! HELP ME GET MORE VOTES. I don't like your vote, you don't count. OMG! I NEED MORE VOTES!"
I stated in a comment below that it doesn't really remove popularity, but it keeps people honest with their vote by giving a valid reason. Sure that makes it a bit of an illusion, but it's better than people just giving a vote with no rhyme or reason behind it. I also stated below that it could actually get someone to analyze the fight and make a vote that's not based on popularity. It might not happen that often, but if it happens then it's an improvement. The very line you quoted sounds like a valid point and as far as I can tell that's all that's being asked.
The writing is to allow each fighter to make their point as to why their fighter should win. It shouldn't be the only thing that's considered, but it gives voters some insight into the character that all the stats and abilities might not be able to tell. It's something fun really and gives the owner some control as to how their character is perceived and let's them make an argument for themselves. That's fair right?
Look, I'll admit it's not perfect. My understanding is that it's more of a test run to see how it goes, but it was fairly well thought out. You don't have to like it, but I think Draco deserves some credit for it, don't you think? A fair chance?
More to the point, if there's more to this than just your thoughts on the tournament itself, then it sounds like you should settle it with Dravo himself. He set the rules, so please take it up with him. And I hope you're not walking into this with a bias against him motivating your negative feelings about this tournament. I had issues with Bogrim and his tournament myself and I settled them with him. His tourney is not better or worse and it certainly works for him and I wish him all the best with and success. I hold no grudges. Maybe you should consider the same, sir. ;)
No hard feelings I hope.
It's not like they said no because it was you, it was because you didn't follow the rules about voting, but that's not really your fault. You didn't know and you weren't likely given any indication that there were rules. A slip up on Borgim's part possibly, which IS an honest mistake.
It dawned on me that if Draco is looking for some quick votes that I should probably give some details first so everyone knows what they're getting into and if it already seems daunting just in my journal the can decide to pass on it. Details are important I've found. ;P
I don't see an Onyx, but I assume you're talking about someone's character from Bogrim's tournament. I haven't seen any issues with the voting that hasn't gone unchecked or corrected and pretty much all of them have been to the point and valid even if a little over-simplified or over complicated. I plead guilty on that one. :P
No you don't owe anyone "shit", but is it too much to ask to take the extra time? Like I said, you don't have to. You might still be able to enjoy the tournament without participating, but that's your choice and you have a right to that.
And no, I don't expect it to fix "EVERYTHING". People do have a natural bias, but information can either make that bias valid (sounds weird saying that :P) or potentially convince someone to vote without bias. It helps. It's not perfect or does a lot, but it's an improvement at least. Would you agree with that at least?
I'm sure others can do it too if the they tried.
More to the point it might help if everyone involved with the tournament did post a journal about the tourney and their involvement and stressed the importance of voting based on the fighters and their abilities and not based on friendship or sexual attraction. And at that point everyone likely comes up with a different conclusion based on their own experiences or preferences on abilities and stats, like seeing someone who's super tough beating everyone, or seeing someone with great intelligence outsmarting everyone, and so on. That's bias, but there's some grounding underneath it, compared to the bias that has you choosing based on things that have nothing to do with the fighter's ability or their opponent's ability. It's like arguments people have in sports like defense is better than offense or having star players is better than having non-stars. Both sides make very valid points with plenty of examples to go off of. But they're making their arguments and choices based on those details and not, "I think they'll win because their team is the sexiest" or "They'll win because blue is my favorite color." Yes, there's bias involved but because it's an educated bias at least.
Does that makes sense?
i also agree with diamond. the system isnt fair. its also heavily flawed. draco said it was to eliminate popularity. that is impossible. theres always gonna be a popularity factor no matter what. people could just post any BS reason they want just for the sake of saying "ok, theres my reason! i voted!" and be done with it. its not a solution, its too complicated. people just wanna vote and be done with it, not explain theyre reasoning for voting. thats why there arent many people voting in draco's tournament. too many limitations, too many restrictions. that doesnt make it fun.
And even if all of the voting has been based on popularity, everyone has at least made valid points to justify their popular choice. ^_^
If you look at some of the fights you'll see some of the reasons they give are valid and only make up a sentence or two. I personally just have a habit of writing up mini-essays. No one has to get that detailed, as I stated up above. ;P
But it's no more flawed than Bogrim's tournament. I don't see why it's difficult to post a sentence saying, "I vote for [NAME] because their great strength and endurances make them too hard to take down." Simple, to the point, and something anyone can think of as an argument for their vote. Even if they're still picking the one they like or the one they don't like, they're at least making a valid point and it's as simple as about 10-15 words.
Anyone complaining that they don't want to type up a simple sentence to make a valid point just sound lazy to me. No offense, but it's very easy to do and you don't have to get deep with your analysis or think too hard about it. :P
Besides, it also has the potential to convince someone to make a more educated choice. They originally might have chosen someone because, "They look hawt!", but if they take a moment to evaluate the characters, they might vote for the other guy because, "Oh, he's really fast and would be hard to hit" or they might still vote for their original choice, but say "Hmm, this guy is really tough and would be too hard to take down". Simple. Easy. Makes sense.
Why is that so bad?
I personally, don't see why it's that hard to give a valid reason, even if it's still biased it at least make sense.
I don't see Draco removing a vote just because, he removes them based on the rules he established before the vote was cast.
I'm okay with it. It may not improve the voting greatly, but it's a start.
But it would seem we're at a difference of opinion on this one. That's fine though. We don't have to agree on it. Doesn't mean we can't be civil about it. :)
If you change your mind in the future, it'd be cool to see your take on the fighters and who you think should win with each match. Otherwise, thank you for your insight. I'll be sure to pass your critique to Draco. :)
but theres only 1 reason why i dont think i'd enter draco's tournaments.
no BONDAGE X3 that and i wanna see more scalies.