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Global Warming (my two cents)
17 years ago
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...Or "Climate Change" to be PC...
Disclaimer!
This is a rant. I swear rather casually because of my military dialect so don't think I'm blowing a gasket or anything. Just read on. (except for the over-population pricks, they can eat a good hard dick)
First off, this one goes out to all you "over-population is homfg" faggots out there.
There's like a 3% livable space in the world, and we still have enough space in Pensacola, Florida, to give everyone in the world like 3 ft of space.
Why don't you go be part of the solution and not have kids and/or kill yourselves and make the world a better place!
You...
goddam...
hypocrites...
The rest of this discussion will be on climate change:
Tim - says:
i was reading this article in Popular Science about an environmentally efficient city
Tim - says:
something about how the sidewalk has pressure pads underneath it that gather energy from pedestrians, and that power could potentially power a trainstation or something like that
Bryan says:
haha
Bryan says:
that makes no sense
Tim - says:
then there are tide-mills...
Tim - says:
or wavemachines
Bryan says:
you need people to walk so people can ride?
Tim - says:
i guess.. it's like a generator, i believe
Tim - says:
just stores energy to use later
Bryan says:
people aren't going to walk so they can ride later...
Bryan says:
it's completely impractical... for the most part
Bryan says:
I dunno
Tim - says:
well, it's people walking to and from the station
Tim - says:
you can't really not walk on the sidewalk
Bryan says:
you can't make people conform to something that requires work
Bryan says:
They'll drive to the station. Make pressureplate roads instead.
Tim - says:
i don't see it working, it's just too costly
Tim - says:
there's some weird shit out there though.. .for new fuel systems and shit
Tim - says:
i guess people are just starting to pull shit out of their asses and saying, "hey, this is a good idea!"
Tim - says:
and then people just as stupid are like, "Yeah!"
Bryan says:
well... people like to think they are part of the solution because they are following a system that seems smart... instead of just having a good idea or coming to a logical and practical conclusion/solution.
Tim - says:
like hamburger earmuffs
Bryan says:
LOL
Tim - says:
or tons of stuff that's in Futerama'
Tim - says:
the Earths' going to Hell in a Handbasket, and we're just along for the ride
Bryan says:
hehe
Bryan says:
I mean... the earth has cycles... and we really can't do shit about it.
To further on that point, climate change is coming whether we want it or not. What we need to do is just make the time we have as livable for ourselves and future generations as possible. Which, naturally, concludes picking up after ourselves and not being a buncha messy destructive assholes. Yanno, ultimately, it doesn't matter whether or not man-made climate change exists since we shouldn't be destroying our environment in the first place. Man-made climate change is a fear tactic... maybe not a bad one, but it's speaking the wrong message... it's the vinegar instead of the honey. We should do the right thing because it's good to be good... not because we are afraid... because ultimately, we aren't going to get as many people to care or do the right thing if they are living off of a "could happen" fear mongering theory rather than having the personal motivation to do what is right regardless.
Like I said, man-made climate change shouldn't so much be our concern as pollution in general. Water pollution and smog effect the health of people and the environment immediately, not years from now. We should do our part to make a better world today, with noticeable results, and a sense of gratification and accomplishment, and guess what... if we do that, well, congratulations, man-made climate change just phased out completely...
I'm not saying climate change is a myth at all, I'm just saying Al Gore sure as hell doesn't deserve a Nobel Peace Prize.
Here are a few small facts though about man-made climate change thought:
1) Humans emitting pollution rarely makes a difference, since smog dissipates and settles at a low altitude and never reaches the atmosphere at all. If all the shit we poured into the air managed to make it to the atmosphere, well... then we wouldn't have smog now would we, and a much different world than what we see today. Point is, it sure sucks for the people living in LA, but not for the people in Cambodia. It's things like airplane exhaust that do a good portion of our damage to the atmophere.
2) Humans are responsible for 2% of the total air pollution put into the atmosphere. I agree that that's a pretty big deal and not good, but removing that 2% isn't going to change jack shit either. The 98% that fucks this world up is from natural causes such as volcanos. (Fact: There's the Yellowstone megavolcano that could destroy our ecosystem within hours.)
3) Shit like the sun's radiation and earth's magnetic field deteriorating is something we really can't fix.
4) America is proportionately the most environmentally clean and friendly nation on the planet.
Don't believe me, GOOD! I suggest you fish out the facts for yourself then. I'm sick of people being spoon-fed this stuff and not figuring it out for themselves. Go do some research, please. :>
Don't be afraid to argue me about any of this either, I like that stuff because everyone is in need of an education, even me at times.
Disclaimer!
This is a rant. I swear rather casually because of my military dialect so don't think I'm blowing a gasket or anything. Just read on. (except for the over-population pricks, they can eat a good hard dick)
First off, this one goes out to all you "over-population is homfg" faggots out there.
There's like a 3% livable space in the world, and we still have enough space in Pensacola, Florida, to give everyone in the world like 3 ft of space.
Why don't you go be part of the solution and not have kids and/or kill yourselves and make the world a better place!
You...
goddam...
hypocrites...
The rest of this discussion will be on climate change:
Tim - says:
i was reading this article in Popular Science about an environmentally efficient city
Tim - says:
something about how the sidewalk has pressure pads underneath it that gather energy from pedestrians, and that power could potentially power a trainstation or something like that
Bryan says:
haha
Bryan says:
that makes no sense
Tim - says:
then there are tide-mills...
Tim - says:
or wavemachines
Bryan says:
you need people to walk so people can ride?
Tim - says:
i guess.. it's like a generator, i believe
Tim - says:
just stores energy to use later
Bryan says:
people aren't going to walk so they can ride later...
Bryan says:
it's completely impractical... for the most part
Bryan says:
I dunno
Tim - says:
well, it's people walking to and from the station
Tim - says:
you can't really not walk on the sidewalk
Bryan says:
you can't make people conform to something that requires work
Bryan says:
They'll drive to the station. Make pressureplate roads instead.
Tim - says:
i don't see it working, it's just too costly
Tim - says:
there's some weird shit out there though.. .for new fuel systems and shit
Tim - says:
i guess people are just starting to pull shit out of their asses and saying, "hey, this is a good idea!"
Tim - says:
and then people just as stupid are like, "Yeah!"
Bryan says:
well... people like to think they are part of the solution because they are following a system that seems smart... instead of just having a good idea or coming to a logical and practical conclusion/solution.
Tim - says:
like hamburger earmuffs
Bryan says:
LOL
Tim - says:
or tons of stuff that's in Futerama'
Tim - says:
the Earths' going to Hell in a Handbasket, and we're just along for the ride
Bryan says:
hehe
Bryan says:
I mean... the earth has cycles... and we really can't do shit about it.
To further on that point, climate change is coming whether we want it or not. What we need to do is just make the time we have as livable for ourselves and future generations as possible. Which, naturally, concludes picking up after ourselves and not being a buncha messy destructive assholes. Yanno, ultimately, it doesn't matter whether or not man-made climate change exists since we shouldn't be destroying our environment in the first place. Man-made climate change is a fear tactic... maybe not a bad one, but it's speaking the wrong message... it's the vinegar instead of the honey. We should do the right thing because it's good to be good... not because we are afraid... because ultimately, we aren't going to get as many people to care or do the right thing if they are living off of a "could happen" fear mongering theory rather than having the personal motivation to do what is right regardless.
Like I said, man-made climate change shouldn't so much be our concern as pollution in general. Water pollution and smog effect the health of people and the environment immediately, not years from now. We should do our part to make a better world today, with noticeable results, and a sense of gratification and accomplishment, and guess what... if we do that, well, congratulations, man-made climate change just phased out completely...
I'm not saying climate change is a myth at all, I'm just saying Al Gore sure as hell doesn't deserve a Nobel Peace Prize.
Here are a few small facts though about man-made climate change thought:
1) Humans emitting pollution rarely makes a difference, since smog dissipates and settles at a low altitude and never reaches the atmosphere at all. If all the shit we poured into the air managed to make it to the atmosphere, well... then we wouldn't have smog now would we, and a much different world than what we see today. Point is, it sure sucks for the people living in LA, but not for the people in Cambodia. It's things like airplane exhaust that do a good portion of our damage to the atmophere.
2) Humans are responsible for 2% of the total air pollution put into the atmosphere. I agree that that's a pretty big deal and not good, but removing that 2% isn't going to change jack shit either. The 98% that fucks this world up is from natural causes such as volcanos. (Fact: There's the Yellowstone megavolcano that could destroy our ecosystem within hours.)
3) Shit like the sun's radiation and earth's magnetic field deteriorating is something we really can't fix.
4) America is proportionately the most environmentally clean and friendly nation on the planet.
Don't believe me, GOOD! I suggest you fish out the facts for yourself then. I'm sick of people being spoon-fed this stuff and not figuring it out for themselves. Go do some research, please. :>
Don't be afraid to argue me about any of this either, I like that stuff because everyone is in need of an education, even me at times.
And on the subject of climate change. The entire worlds climatologist communities scientific data >>>>> your opinion
It is a problem and it is fully preventable.
God damnit
God damnit
God damnit
uhhg... sorry... I had a nice long response typed up and my comp froze...
Okay... basically. I stand corrected, over-population isn't problem to civilized nations. To nations that don't have 40 kids under one roof in the same village for 10 generations.... And yanno what... that's their own damn fault... It's unfortunate, but they didn't want to spread out, other nations didn't want to open their boarders, and no one wants to grow a garden, etc... America makes a significantly larger production of food than we have mouths to feed. What do we do with the extra? Some goes to the animals, some to fertilizers and compost... the rest... well...
Over-population wouldn't be a problem if we weren't all being dumbasses with stupid politics. In general though, I firmly stand against the idea that we aren't over-populated, because I completely believe we have a lot of room to grow still. And, anyone who says we are over-populated obviously ain't one of those people having 40 kids now are they? And, they are the ones with the problems. To live in a civilized society and complain like this is equivalent to saying, "Cut off my balls, shake that baby, and genocide for all!" or better yet, "Neuter my neighbor, but just not me!" I can't stand that type of hypocrisy.
Also, my views on climate change are anything but original, they are just a hell of a lot less popular. Yet, magically, more effective in my eyes, as it promotes well-being for everyone now and later, instead of just later where 90% of the world's population could give a rat's ass. I'm just saying we should make a cleaner earth for the sake of not living in a world that's full of cancerous fumes and chemicals--a healthy environment that in turn respects nature.
The world is changing, that's proven, but whether or not we are the one's doing is still shocking unproven, just like how we still can't accurately test whether a fossil came from the Jurassic Period or the twentieth century, or how gravity is still technically a theory.
Science is good, but it's constantly going back and forth on it's self and most of the time--it's not a constant--and it's only as good as the amount of people who want to believe in it at the time. My seems more practical, active, and rewarding. I want people to do the whole peace and good will towards men thing, do some good for the right reasons, and not some fear tactic. Ultimately, I hate the politics behind all this.
Also radiocarbon dating as well as analysis of trace minerals that are present in fossils can accurately date how old a fossil is. Geologists have measured the mineral deposits in layers of the earth that have built up for millions of years, it's like a timeline. If similar levels of those minerals appear in the fossil it can be accurately predicted which geological period that fossil came from. I'm not really sure why you say we can't tell whether it came from the 20th century or another period because we most certainly can.
As for overpopulation, sure theres more room for people, but we are an extremely wasteful people and in our current ways of living overpopulation will be a huge problem and we need to change and live in a way that's more environmentally friendly. We need to chill on the deforestation and find renewable resources.
I'm a fairly athletic guy and I have a very gas efficient car I rarely drive... I do eat meat cause well... I'm a omnivore but I've also volunteered a good amount of my time and money towards conservation which includes a costly a month-and-a-half trip to Africa where I helped out the endangered cheetah for a bit (got some pictures in the scraps).
You are good to not only talk the talk but also walk the walk. Actions always spoke louder than words and I think we are coming to the same conclusions, just by different paths.
As for fossil dating: I say that because there are a lot of factors that can upset the geological norms or an area... such as extreme flooding, volcanic activity, extreme pressure, and just about everything else that goes into the cataclysmic events that spontaneously pressurized and preserved that bone to begin with. That's like saying the earth is a stable testable libratory environment for this kind of procedure. And the fact of the matter is, they still make mistakes. Okay Mr. Scientist, if you want to toot your horn for a while and have a guess at how old that bone is... go for it, I would, so have fun... but realize that there is a lot of room for error too.
I'm just getting sick of people taking such a narrow approach to the situation and science in general. Coincidence doesn't prove things irrefutably, just as well as lack of evidence doesn't mean lack of truth either. Everyone is trying to make their point known and the fact that it is even debatable to begin with makes it definitively politics over science. And, just because everyone says that it seems right, and feeds you all the right "evidence" and "facts" to support their arguments, doesn't make it true, it makes it their truth... and it probably means you've just been told one side of the story. Just like how the modern day school system was conceived as the best way to education for the longest time until rather recently, doesn't mean it was right for all that time until just now, it means it was the popular truth at the time... http://youtube.com/watch?v=IK1nMQq67VI (long video on that subject, but you can check out the shorter stuff from him too by googling John Medina--smart man, interesting stuff, but you can decide on that.)
Just, all I ask is that they stop calling it FACT, cause it's not... Fact is a constant, not a coincidence with probable error and variability of truth. That's the biggest and most egotistical aspect about the science community that pisses me off--it's taught as fact until proven otherwise.
And, this is getting real preachy. But I guess this really was an OP about preaching, "do what is right, regardless... and everything will fall where it may." You know what the right thing to do is, and you can easily overcomplicate the issues. Once we learn that, our race can finally work as a team and fix the bigger issues.
even if it WAS fully human-caused problem, we're too far, and too unwilling to cage enough to do anything about it.
I laugh at those who want to go "green" and instead contribute to the problem.
global warming doesn't matter right now. the only way to survive is to get into space. the problems takes money, nd people won't want to give. supposing they get near enough to do so, all the rich people will be the only ones getting off.
stop taking about it, complaining about it, etc. It IS happening, but it's inevitable right now. end of story.
Alright, it's a little more realistic in a sense too. The thing is, ya gotta fight the tide, don't fall into the system... that's what I've done my entire life, and it's its own reward. At least you can go to hell guilt free I say.
But yeah, I usually just post these types of discussions once, get my views out, and that's that. Sorry to bring ya into this, really. :/
"falling into the system" would technically be going around consuming more, but slightly (individually, ad only slightly) more efficient ways to slow down pollution slightly.
really, the only electronic i use is this computer. not even lights. the sun can do that for me.
also, I do not intend on visiting Hell in Norway, Michigan, or the Caymans; so that leaves: christian Hell, and norse Hel. neither apply :P
but it's good to get your vies out. like me :P
But nope. This is just what I've been running over and over in my mind. Exactly how hard is it to be a responsible human being? Don't drive around in a gas guzzler if you're the only thing in it. Walk that extra two feet and make sure the trash goes IN the trash can. Don't consume enough resources for 3 and a half people.
I'm responsible. Apparently you are too. It's not that hard to do these little things. Global resources may be far more sustainable if more would make the choice to be conscious about the consequences of their actions.
I feel fairly sure now that now that science will save the world. I don't mean consumer-driven research, though. Because the world of consumer-driven products seems inherently deceptive and stupid. I deal with salespeople on a daily basis. Responsibility to one's fellow man and the earth - it's the last thing on their minds.
No, Science is going to keep doing what it's always done - solving problems and improving the quality of life. I don't care if -from what I've read- Gore and his lackeys get rich off the Green trend. The beneficent side effect is more efficient technology. Current events could well serve as a catalyst to spur great thinkers out of their complacency.
Holy crap, I'm being positive. :faint:
And I commend you on encouraging others to look up the facts for themselves. Far too many "copy and paste" opinions nowadays.