Yeah, those Satanic rags, they're after our kids!

Oh woops, I copied your signature too!

DAMN YOU RAGS. FOILED AGAIN BY FESTIVE BITS OF CLOTH.

But yet they're so useful for cleaning.

the dangers of copy paste :D

Not a fan of chain journals, but it's still a good cause.

I kind of debated with myself about it too, felt id make an exception :/

I made one, just omitted that repost thing; in every journal that has that one sentence, it actually kind of feels like whoever first wrote this is bullying others into doing this, but that's my point of view.

Actually I kind of agree, it is a bit too much on the shaming side :)

Glad it ain't just me.

keep on sherrifin'!

I wish the people that really need to be told this would actually pay attention to it.

"Those we wish would listen, never are going to hear" -Neil Peart

This.

We all know that bullies are shit. Let's not focus on telling them that they're wrong, because they already know damn well that they're doing the wrong thing. They don't care.
Instead, try personally reaching out to anyone you see being bullied.
Sometimes knowing that someone out there actually cares and wants them to be happy and safe is enough to keep them from doing the unthinkable. It may not solve everything, but it's better than doing nothing.


I would have given ANYTHING for that growing up . . . .

Not always true, Im forced to admit that from time to time I may have done things that where a little mean, in retrospect, at the time I didn't even realize. Frankly kids do not know anything, if you let them get away with bad behavior without even telling them its wrong they would never develop a proper conscience

Well, I don't mean NEVER tell the bullies off, I just meant that I think people tend to focus more on them than the kids that need help, ya know? People unintentionally give the bullies more attention.

good message, since I got bullied almost everyday since 1st day at school in public schools x3

Bullies are just sad and pathetic anyway... and come in many shapes and sizes.

i thought this was bully bully related

I hate bullies to i got bullied all the way thourg school to the point i left early and now i have vert bad prombles wiht being confident in my self but meh i hate being emo i am only happy when i am my rammy

and it was all from my learning difficulties

Sorry to hear that, sadly theres a lot of mean people out there, THOUGH Ive found there arent as many in the adult world, so theres something positive

Violence is something hard to accept, but we all do and like to watch on movies. Bullying is just one kind of violence inside the school. Human Being ~

Fuck you.

The boy you punched in the hall today. Committed suicide a few min ago.

Suicide is a far more complex issue than 'someone made fun of me'. In fact, it's closely tied to selfishness moreso than victimhood.

I hate how this whole 'anti-bully' campaign has boiled down the issue to the point of being non-sensical and frankly narcissistic. I feel sometimes like I'm the only damn one that remembers my school days with any hint of objectivity. "Bullies pick on those they're jealous of, like smart nerds." Then why were special ed kids bullied?

Bullying is a full strata ordeal. It's not just three jocks vs everyone. Inner circles of the dorks and dweebs bully each other to some degree as well, like a social pecking order. I cannot stand those who bully themselves act like the problem is strictly external.

Then you turn around and demonize people that more often than not can be ignored. Granted, the 'victims' are often angsty emotionally tattered teens who are in a state of shock to learn that the world neither loves nor revolves around them, but the 'bullies' themselves get labelled with the 'b' word and it influences everything. In a school setting he gets slammed with zero tolerance bullshit, his own issues are ignored and he's forced to do something embarrassing while apologizing or something. Essentially, he comes off feeling slighted, especially if he was not a prime bullier, but simply the only one the bullied could remember the name of.

And where does this all end up? Do you really think you can just stop social bullying as a part of human nature? Kids, and adults for that matter, don't need lessons to become bullies. They naturally default to such. An anti-bullying campaign makes about as much of a difference as an anti-murder campaign or anti-theft campaign. You're raging against something bad that will not go away for little more than to sell t-shirts and make yourself feel good. It's mental masturbation.

Awesome post! +1

I'd like to add to, though you don't know me, that to appeal to nature as a way to justify behavior is a fallacy. So many people default to saying, "I'm an animal, I can't help it!", or defer to blaming the victim, "I can't help it, because they're asking for it!", when the reason for bullying is so much more complex. Awareness to bullying should more or less be a general awareness about what we do as species, not so much a specific ... point.

I hope you know what I am trying to get at.

Understandable, I'm not saying as a part of nature we should all be bullies, just that raging against something as socially natural as bullying is akin to raging against shitting. I mean, there are places to not shit, and circumstances were it's not acceptable, but biologically speaking, humans will shit.

Goddamn.

I like your logic. So, what do you think people can do about bullying? I've always had the idea that it starts with "you", meaning people should look inward and see if what they are doing is fair, or cruel, and than change it if their goal is "stop" bullying.

I think half the problem is how very much is labelled 'bullying'. It used to mean specifically violence and intimidation, but has been more broadly interpreted as basically any words that make one uncomfortable. In this case, someone who stinks being told in pretty much anything but the most sugar-coated way 'hey you stink' will get viewed as 'bullying' by the stinky fucker.

It's part of the rampant victimhood culture, and it cheapens what the word means.

My advice is, if you don't like bullying, firstly don't be one. Harder than it sounds, and you might just be surprised. Secondly though, ignore it. If you can successfully ignore it, you might not have been bullied in the first place. You can ignore someone calling you ugly on facebook a lot easier than someone giving you a swirly afterall. Third, be honest with yourself. Unlike the stinky fucker. Societal pressure, which sometimes manifests in bullying is there for a reason. Your choices may be the root reason you catch flak.

Lastly, and this is the bit that people with victimhood complexes have the hardest time with, stand up for your fucking self. Don't organize a vague anti-bullying campaign, confront your bully and work out the issue as best you can. This doesn't mean fight. It just means let them know you're not a coward if nothing else, and you won't shell up or cry yourself to sleep over someone else's opinions.

Don't really know how it can be all that complicated.

Kids get bored and want to entertain each other in class, entertainning their friends also makes them "look good". So its simply a matter of finding someone who you don't mind degrading for your own pleasure.

It is simple animalistic behavior, empowered by group mentality.

I had friends completely backstab me when I came out..... id end up sitting in the back of the class just so i'd be that closer to the door when the bell rang, of which one day they threw a chunk of ice (via frozen water bottle) at me.

Fuck feeling sorry for yourself. If you want others to have the slightest bit of respect for you, then you gotta stand up and show some fucking dignity. Little kids are fucking savage and will pick you apart just for the sheer entertainment of it. They poke just to watch you squirm.

I'll be honest about the "work out the issue"...... yeah i wanna say 90% of the time, the issue is that they are a bored as prick looking for someone to fuck with and you came into peripheal.

Thats why when someone continously "plays" with me and doesn't get harassment, I make it very clear to them that I will get physical with them, and that they will regret pushing me to that point. This can get kids to stfu, specially if you know how to carry that bat-shit-crazy feeling.

You make it seem like more kids are becoming more scared-pussy...... what about rising populations+increased tech? Does that increase the odds of such bullies, and such kids, and then the tech only making situations that more known via the web?

Maybe kids really are no longer like my types *shrugs*, I wouldn't know, I never knew any of the kids that killed themselves in any of these articles. Sure I read the story, but I didn't get the story of the kid themself so..... WHO THE FUCK AM I TO SAY ANYTHING? But naw your right with the whole standing up for yourself; because even though not everyone as built and trained as me, they could still use a weapon given they are dealing with the "bullies" i did. Just have em chase you till you get to the bush with a bat in it. Of course that takes balls so, and im sure everyone who gets bullied has balls.

But then wait.... can't fight, has no balls..... has bullies that just wanna fuck with your head for no reason. What should these kids do then?

Where do they get their confidence? Shit even telling the teacher/principle barely did anything for me, i ended up going to the next town over cause of how bad it got.
I've done years of wrestling and been trained in boxing so.... I really shouldn't have much fear, but for me to expect all these other kids who killed themselves over their problems to be as strong me..... is fucking stupid. And its equally so for you to expect them to be on your lvl.

You find these "victims" annoying? I find people picking at a group of people who are fucking dead, to be annoying. Instead of theorizing that you might actually not know the actual story of these kids, other than what got posted, you just go off about how they need to stand up for themselves when.... you don't even fucking know them. You don't know their home story, you don't know their mental history, YOU DON'T KNOW SHIT.

So not only do these kids get "bullied" to suicide, but some douche-bag is further degrading them by saying its pretty much their fault for not standing up for themselves, and that they are over-dramatizing their problems. You need to be a little more realistic about the world we live in and the people in it.

Btw, bullies can by physical without necessarily fighting you; throwing shit at you in class (ex: frozen water bottle mentioned earlier), trying to bump your shit onto the ground walking by you in the halls..... physically blocking you with their body and/or their friends to detur you from doing/going something/somewhere. They seriously ask to get knocked the fuck out sometimes.

You honestly don't sound like you ever had the truely fucked experience of having a pack of fucks pick on you while the last of your few "friends" in school hang out with their cliques and leave you to buzzards. Having this go on day after day, despite telling whoever at the school, despite telling them you won't put up with that shit.

Instead of just adding to this, i'll just ask, what were your experiences growing up? I'm sure you've got to have a few as we all should. Im just curious to see where on the spectrum you fall.

I don't understand basically how you can explain exactly how you stood up for yourself, recognized the problem and neutralized it as best you could, then bitch about me suggesting exactly that as a better solution than vaguely feel-good internet stuff.

You honestly don't sound like you ever had the truely fucked experience of having a pack of fucks pick on you while the last of your few "friends" in school hang out with their cliques and leave you to buzzards. Having this go on day after day, despite telling whoever at the school, despite telling them you won't put up with that shit.

You might be surprised. I didn't come out in school, but from grade school until junior year of high school I was harassed as much as any other socially maladjusted kid. I had packs pick on me for plenty of the boredom related reasons, but I am not without blame for being the socially awkward type myself. You know what I did? I got in with a group of similar outcasts and then in turn picked on even easier target kids, because it's not a matter of two distinct groups, but a hierarchy of torment. Granted, I didn't physically intimidate anyone, I just posted some crap along with someone else on a forum making fun of a kid who bobbed his head continually. I wasn't any good at bullying, but despite the harassment flung against me, I'd be lying if I said it was all one direction.

In senior year of high school, I changed schools, and while the new one certainly a high school replete with all variety of social misfits and bullies, the ribbing was more good natured, because I got a blank slate socially, and a more restrained awkwardness from years at the other school.

What I do have experience with though, is surviving a suicide attempt, and I take issue with the basic premise that...

these kids get "bullied" to suicide

That's a leap of logic. That's a leap of psychology. Certainly we have plenty of living people here who were harassed, intimidated, bullied, even beaten to no end and did not take their lives. Suicide is a phenomena as I mentioned, based around extreme selfishness. A person who kills themselves thinks not of how damaging that is to loved ones, but of their own issues. Depression can influence this, add a haze not unlike alcohol, which can also be involved, but this is ultimately a choice that the bullies don't make, but the suicidal person does.

I don't like people being morphed into victims for something they do, by definition, to themselves.

I agree with the fact that you have to do something and stand up for yourself.

But at the same time I was debating your choice of putting it more on the people being fucked with.

You go on to assume they are like you, or that they even have people that may miss them.

You go on to talk about how your highschool wasn't even what the earlier years were, which if you add hormones in the highschool years, you add more than just depression, but possible faulty meds (like zoloft which increases the rate ofsuicide in teens), and youget a INSANE CONCOCTION OF FUCKED UP THAT YOU'VE NOT EXPERIENCED AND HAVE NO RIGHT TO GOON PRETENDING LIKE YOU HAVE A CLUE.

Unlike you, when I came out, I actually reconciled my own annoying harrasing of others, for I had realized what it was like. I went from an annoying attention whore of a kid to quite the quiet one.

This was at the end of middle, and into highschool. I ended up going to 4 different schools, one each year,experiencing shit on several different lvls. Lets seeyou get you get yourface fucked up like I did in Barstow FOR NOTHING... and see which side your on.

You mention a leap of psychology, but honestly, you seem to have very little concept of psychology. As you place everyone and yourself in each other shoes, with info that is he-said shesaid, that was posted on the internet. You don't know how severe bullying can be because you obviously have nothing to say otherwise you would had. So not only do you have noidea what these kids actually put up with on a day to day basis....but you also couldn't even imagine if you tried from your own lack of experience.

I can, i've been there. If your surviving of this suicide attempt is such a validation of what you know, then lets hear it, what pushed you, what made you feel so bad?

Shit part of the reason i've not offed myself is because pills/whatever easy way out is to.... pussy for me. If im gonna kill myself, ima take one of my random blades and stick that shit through my abdomen. Not be a little girl and take sleeping pills.

But once again, thats just me. One person in a sea of billions, thus I don't "omg why can't these kids just stop being pussys and man up like i did" like you are pretty much saying.

Not everyone is the fucking same. Many of them likely had worse problems than you; they actually killed themslf. You don't even know the story of these kids other than some shit you read, but you still find hating on them to be proper, without considering their mental limitations, family situation, and so on.

YOU DON'T KNOW SHIT

BUT YOU KEEP SAYING "I MANNED UP, WHY CANT THEY?"

Maybe because not everyones the fucking same you twit. Not everyone had that up-bringing that lead them to being confident/brave enough to stand up. Yet you seem to think so.....

Fucking idiot.

"not thinking of how damaging it is to loved ones" Everthink maybe their "loved" ones play a role in it? Ever think they may not even have a family and may be with an adoption family? Even still how about "friends" well..... somefucking friends person is beign fucked with on a daily basis enough to go and shoot themself in the head in front of their other peers.

Personally, if someone kills themself over jackshit, good-riddence, we don't need emotionally explosive people like that passing on their genes. That is to say that yes, there are going to be out of the billions of people, a few kids that kill themselves over very little in comparison to others. But for you to think that your the one that can go on and just generalize the growing reports of such shit going on to just be a bunch of kids making victims out of themselves just because you had one fucking experience that you failed at..... IS FUCKING STUPID.

Holy fuck do you have issues.

Shit part of the reason i've not offed myself is because pills/whatever easy way out is to.... pussy for me.

Strange way to measure how hardcore you are dude.

No shit, but thats the kid I was. XD And it wasn't a measure of how hardcore I was, it was a simple wanting to not to be seen as weak as all my bullys had tried to put into my head. But if you wanna say that it was just me trying to measure my lvl of being "hardcore" go ahead, because that is like... a drop in the bucket for shit i've done. If i wanted to give you measure for how hardcroe I am..... it wouldn't be that.

Oh, and don't mistake my ability to type and explain my oppinion for being "frustrated" I was more bored and saw someone goin off on these " self made victims" and decided this self admitted bully might want someone to actually talk back and forth with, instead of just..... you know assume shit.

But yeah, I had some seriously anger issues growing up, like..... serious. Which it wasn't until I was on the zoloft did I really start to get depressed, if anything I'd just get pissed at people at school, but of course parents think I needed drugs. So my anger mellowed out and yeah whole fun teenage years.

It was a good/bad thing for me in that I gained a control over myself that I desperately needed if i ever wanted to be a functioning person in society, but in the end that med was mellowing me out Way to much. I ended up dropping it myself because I knew something was wrong, and I got my fire back. Of course by that time though I'd gone through all the Real bullying and learned how fucking annoying I must of been, thus..... my issues with anger.... became a bit more of a focused bit. Seriously if you'd known how I was as a little little kid...... you might actually understand the kind of huge spectrum there is that people experience when it comes to personality.

What really pisses me off is people who pretend like they know me, harass me call me this say that, like they fucking know me. Like one day I wasn't gonna jus SNAP. That is just..... infuriating and insulting, not only did they decide who i was in their eyes, but they wont give you a fucking chance to change that image.

And what do I see here, I see YOU, pretending to know all these self-made-victims, when my bullys knew me more than you know these fucking kids AND MY BULLYS STILL KNEW JACK SHIT.

YOU KNOW JACK SHIT. Your pretending to know these kids and their situations, and could you give them a chance to debate that? NO BECAUSE THEY ARE DEAD

So what are you really doing? Picking on a bunch of dead mother fuckers that can't do a damn thing to say a damn thing back.

So take a hint, and go fuck yourself.

If it wasn't for the fact that I already <3 my icon, i'd have to go for the Yodawith shades cause DAMN.... nothing better than yoda to use ad an avatar when you try and sound smart.

I don't know who if I'm picking on the dead, but I'm certainly not going to pick on you Misunderstood T. McBadass.

I do find it kind of hilarious you pull the "I'm so tough. How about you? You don't know me. Fuck off." routine because well it actually is a bully tactic. A hamfisted one, but still.

Wow the mirror tactic already?

I call you a bully so you try and miscontrue my actions as trying to bully you?

I was using those example to explain how I dealt with my own.

"not going to pick on you Misunderstood T. McBadass"

Not an oxymoron ?

Lol I explain my experiences with bullies where ass you don't say shit, and you just say im trying to sound like a bad-ass. WOW

What did you expect me to say after you sit ther eand say "way to measure how hardcore you are"

Your just trying to twist my shit after I've repeatedly pointed out how much of ass your making out of yourself.

Fine, you wanna dig a hole for yourself, go ahead. But I will no longer be a part of it. I said what I had to and now you only seem interested in degrading me because I called you on your bullshit.

Bye bye.

I call you a bully

Did you? I saw chestpumping, and frankly I skimmed over a lot of what you wrote because you suck at writing but, where exactly did you call me a bully?

Not an oxymoron ?

[Inigo Montoya]You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.[/Inigo Montoya]

Lol I explain my experiences with bullies

And it's all you have. You have anedotes concerning yourself, and that's it. You dwell on it and can't understand the issue at any measure broader than it. Then you say I don't know anything about the kids who killed themselves? Can you even see past your damn ego?

XD Admits to skimming and not reading, yet expects me to continue to debate.

Go ahead, keep talking.

" confront your bully and work out the issue as best you can. This doesn't mean fight. It just means let them know you're not a coward if nothing else, and you won't shell up or cry yourself to sleep over someone else's opinions. "

XD would of loved for you to meet some of the harassing cock-suckers i dealt with

"if you do this, then you will feel that, because thats how everyone in the world works"

"why do you pick on me?" "because your a fag/fat/ugly/stupid" whatever, and then what? You think you asking a queation really ends ALL of that? I thought you knew what real bullies were, and real ones don't just stop because you asked them why.... or to just stop.

XD would of loved for you to meet some of the harassing cock-suckers i dealt with

So basically you want to turn our victimhood into a pissing contest?

Its ok to say kids gotta stand up for themselves.

But to generalize the suicides as a bunch of kids just making victims out of themselvs....... just goes to show how much you assume about their lives and what they dealt with.

And you know what they say about assuming.

Its ok to say kids gotta stand up for themselves.

But to generalize the suicides as a bunch of kids just making victims out of themselvs....... just goes to show how much you assume about their lives and what they dealt with.

And you know what they say about assuming.

Ok I agree with most of this, I had a bull myself, kind of pathetic actually he was several years older than me and much larger, I just turned around and broke his nose one day while he was picking on me in line for a movie, he was sobbing with a bloody nose humiliated in front of his girlfriend and never bothered me again, standing up for yourself solves more problems in a minute than a lifetime of talk and hug circles ever could.

As much as the kid in me felt that was kinda cool... It could very easily have backfired badly! I'd be very careful with encouraging bully-victims to "stand up for them selves" in any such way! When it gets to the point of truly violent, the potential revenge can turn things in to something far more severe...

Yeah its a risk, But to not do something you risk being tormented for years so I guess it comes up to risk/value analysis :)

I gave my former friend 3 years of ignoring his crap (live down thestreet too ....so shit outside of schooltoo), eventually wewere somewhere i couldn't get in trouble for fighting, I toldhim to fuck off, he said or elsewhat. XD lol..... I flicked his hat off his wigger face. His first punch landed, was his last XD

Apparently kidswere telling him to shut up they'd getthe effeminate gay kid to beat him up (since he always called mefag n shit since I came out).

oh quit it with the victim blaming.

it's called personal responsibility... that thing they're supposed to learn before they're adults... if they have such a shitty time, they should be talking to a counsellor (which afaik all high-schools have or have access to.) not punching some kid that won't put up a fight because it feels good to hurt people.

Assault is assault. I'm not advocating assault, but you know well people cry bullying for far less than assault and frankly, people still use bully tactics as adults. It's more prudent to learn how to personally deal with them and work around it, or call it out than simply put out blanket statements that it's bad then form a hugbox.

Oh i do... people are far too willing to call foul for percieved slights... but in the case of bullying the tone of your comment felt like you were basically trying to frame it so that the real victim was the bully and not their target.

if they feel that beating people up is a logical and rational response to stress, they are not going to go very far in this world unless they only ever hope to be a rank-and-file infantry in the army (and then their life is likely to be even more stressful and likely short.)

but there are more cases where bullying is applicable than the usual "gimme yer lunch money, fuckwit."

the point of the meme is to create awareness that bullying is bullying and that's essentially trying to cause pain or harm to another for your own pleasure (whether it's physical or mental pain is irrelevant.)

There are many people, in fact probably most, who are both bully/target if they're involved in such activity at all.

if they feel that beating people up is a logical and rational response to stress, they are not going to go very far in this world unless they only ever hope to be a rank-and-file infantry in the army (and then their life is likely to be even more stressful and likely short.)

Strawman much? Also holy fuck you really think the military is full of bullies? Heh, that's adorably ignorant! :3

I feel the point of these meme is to make those who perpetuate it feel all fuzzy inside while they accomplish nothing. A lot of the internet is like that.

nice try... but you're going to have to use different tactics if you're going to try and get my hackles up.

p.s. calling something a strawman because you didn't bother to read "infantry" correctly is in itself a fallacious tactic to use. good day sir... i wish you well in life.

What the fuck are you talking about?

Im not exactly sure the point you are making here, Bullying is essentially Harassment and or Assault sometimes accompanied by theft, in the adult world these are all crimes, why should we tolerate it in schools, where kids should expect some degree of safety? You are making the issue more complicated than it needs to be, basically society has far too much tolerance for violent shitheads in schools, dangerous kids should be separated from those that have a future, end of story.

Dangerous kids are often the ones who were bullied, not the bullies, and many bullies have futures. The guy who used to bully me went on to be a coach and is currently a state trooper.

You make many broad generalizations, that's why I took issue. I don't think you're looking at the reality of this because you have baggage from bullying you never let go of.

Well a childhood thug being attracted to law enforcement as a career is hardly surprising, it goes a long way towards explaining why we get so many cases of over zealous cops beating people half to death, not assuming anything maybe hes past that and hes a great fellow now, stranger things have happened, and who isnt full of baggage from childhood? My Baggage if you must know is mostly religious, Im pissed off about bullies because im tired of hearing about kids being hounded to suicide by soulless psychotic little monsters for no good reason.

You don't seem to know what an a-type personality is, but as I pointed out to the other poster, suicide is not a direct result of bullying. If it were, you'd be dead.

Yes it is a direct result of bullying, I was close several times, Being forced to go to a place against your will day after day while surrounded by people who relentlessly abuse you yes that has a very predictable end result, thats not exactly how it was for me but it is that way for a lot of kids.

How does that song go? "Woolly Bully.."

Satanic Rags?

Reposted this with my version.. which goes more in depth to get the point across..

http://www.furaffinity.net/journal/4235978/

Bullies suck and all, but every time I see ads for that "End bullying!" campaign they do on Cartoon Network I lawl. "OMG guys if we work together and be PC as possible we can end bullying FOREVER!!!!1one" No, dears, you can't, and you won't, unless you can rewrite human genetic code to totally eliminate all genes related to dominance (which frankly, would just screw humanity up worse X3).

bullying is more akin to criminal harassment than political correctness, frankly I see PC as tyranny masquerading as sensitivity.

Did you hear a loud 'woosh' sound? Yeah, that was his point flying over your head.

Hes trying to blame the campaigns on PC, and the behavior on genetics, genetics is a bullshit excuse for bad behaviour.

He's trying to point out how little you're actually doing with this campaign.

It has people talking about it, what more can you do?

You know what is really sad? All my life I was picked on and bullied. But when someone says bully, what do you see in your mind? A child picking on another child? Two teens throwing fists at another in the play ground?

Have you ever seen an Adult pick on a child? Ever beat them? Call them names? Perhaps in certain cases yes, such as domestic situations with neglectful parents. But have you ever seen a teacher do so?

That was my life and still in to a great degree. My difference from the normal society is that I am disabled with peripheral neuropathy. Due to this fact. Schools didn't see me as the others, they didn't' want to accommodate my needs, which weren't much. So though out my life I was bullied, not by the other children, but by the staff and teachers of my own school.

I was luck to have been pulled out of school and been home schooled. Many times though we have moved, due to the line of work my father is in. And each time we would try the public system again only for the same occurrence to happen again where we were pulled out. It was a constant cycle that I hated so much.

The highschool years were the most difficult times as I have never had to deal with such prejudice as I have in that school.

I am glad that I am as strong as I am. Many of my other siblings don't' understand me at all and how I can go through what I do and be saine. Truth be said that I may be the most crazy of the bunch and just don't know it. What keeps me going I don't even know myself.

You wonder why so many people go out and just shoot their fellow students and teachers or even turn the gun to themselves and commit suicide. Its because of people that bully others.

Its so easy to blame the child for bulling but you have to also look at their parents. All behavior is learned and learned behavior has consequences when allowed to develop in the wrong manner. In homes that have abuse, they tend to pass on such traits to their kids. Then they grow up bulling others because they don't' feel powerless anymore.

We need to break the chain of bulling and look everywhere and at ourselves instead of trying to point the finger and give excuse to a growing issue.

All these posts raise a lot of interesting questions. Are bullies themselves products of a caustic home-life? Does bullying directly contribute to youthful suicide? And how does a community properly address such things?

We all deal with bullying (school life in general; there's no getting around it, but most kids are awful to everybody) in our own mien. I was taller than most and socially pliable, generally getting off more easily than my younger brother apparently did. Only recently I've discovered he put up with a tremendous lot more than I ever had, and has subsequently had a harder time coping with it since than I would have thought possible. There are things to be said for standing up for oneself, 'growing chest hairs' and toughing things out. Throwing the odd punch, like. But all 'character' aside, some things really do crush folk, and unfairly so. It's a real cluster.