The issue isnt necessarily the proposition of having federal health care. It is that it is being forced on us without our consent. As the bill sits right now, refusing the health care or any kind of health insurance will result in a fine of 15% of a person or families income. For families who cannot afford the insurance the fine will be a crushing blow. We as citizens are having no say in how this bill is being structured or implemented. For a lot of us this bill could be the tipping point on a delicate financial set of scales. throwing us into financial dissaray and even homelessness. The main reason the US government is considering this is because insurance companies are the most lucrative businesses in the world. wracking up billions in profit while only actually paying out a few million in claims. This bill so far has really nothing to do with the good of the citizens.

Sorry to be blunt, but I can only reply with a video of Bill Maher:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8rjYuaQ1Zho

And watch the whole video! :)

I agree with a lot of what he said lol. But the fact of my statement stands unchanged. I would love to see the US have full health care for everyone. I really would. But when you think about it. The US government would have to provide that for an area almost the size of Europe. European countries can do it because they are taking care of their part of the whole. That stretches resources really thin. Even though to add to that to make it feasible would make thousands of jobs, it would also require millions upon millions (if not billions) of even more of the taxpayers dollars to run let alone the taxes/fees it would require to provide. The cost of travel for agents, room and board for trips, salaries, reports, structuring, and everything else that would be necessary for a continent wide network.

I honestly would love to have full coverage. Really i would. I need it. With a heart murmur, need to have my wisdom teeth removed, and have both of my knees looked at. But the taxes that it would take just to get this started would put not only me and my mate, but 95% of the people i know on the streets. It would then overload the welfare system with requests and bring that crashing down.

If they can figure out how to do it without crushing the lower and mid range classes or destroying the economy all over again, I will be happy to support it.

Yes, I understand, and ofcourse everyone shoud be able to enjoy sull heath care, but people should not expect it to be free of charge.

And I also agree that the lower and mid range classes shoudl not be hurt, but the gevernment could see if some form of subsidizing is possible.

But know that the golden rule in governments always is: 'Spend it on this, cut costs on something else.'.

Always will be sadly. I just wish they would do it wisely. our government is like a chicken running around with its head cut off.

That's no real option, sadly. Whatever any government will do to keep costs in check, the majority of people will always feel the damage done. There's no way around that.

The real issue with our system is that any senator or lobbyist can slap their own little additions onto bills to sneak what they want in. Right now, the health bill being voted on has a small clause which will likely shut down 80% of all US volunteer fire departments. which is really bad considering that vfd's make up about 90% of all US fire departments. That puts so many people in danger its rediculous. There are several other clauses that are like that too. Its a big part of why i am against the bill.

The fact that any senator or lobbyist will be revoked if the Dutch standard (or a variant that will be better suited for the US of A) is implemented. Here's how it goes:

The highest form of government in America decides what will be insured and what not (which ALL Insurance companies must adopt, and if not, they'll lose their insurance license (or whatever way that works in USA) if they do not comply. This is simply NOT negotiable), so that removes the wishes from a senator who wants to get their own version off of it. Henceforth this is called the 'basic' insurance which covers most occuring problems with health for every person. Apart from that, Insurance companies in the Netherlands are by law NOT allowed to refuse taking in any people who have a serious chronic illness, for example.

When it comes to the volunteer fire department, they put their lives on the line ofcourse, so they should be rewarded with extra insurance due to the hazardous nature of their work. I think the government is responsible for the fire fighters. Also, Insurance companies must agree with extra insurance for fire fighters (be it volunteers or not), this is also not negotiable if I had anything to say about it.

But then again: Insurance companies should be there for the people, and not about filling their own pockets with profit made of their 'customers'. Maybe I'm pushing it if I'd say that it should be required by law to put the profit back into the company so services offered can be improved. When it comes to health, I'm such a socialist bastard. :)

It all comes down to money, and the direct result of companies and governments spending money the wrong way.

i said something very similar recently hahaha. you have the right idea in my mind.

Thanks! :)

I just really hope something will change, otherwise things'll go very wrong, and I really don't want that.

I dont either, but our government refuses to listen to us, other countries, and even their own inner workings. I am afraid of another civil war breaking out.

I can imagine your fear of that, but I'm sure the American people, and the rest of the world for that matter, will not let that happen.