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Greetings, all!
We're looking to improve site performance, enhance speed and increase uptime by adding redundant systems to the site. To do that, we need to upgrade our server hardware (which is somewhat ancient, with most of our gear dating back from 2007-2008). And we'd like to ask your help. Rather than directly ask for money, we'd like to ask those of you out there who can spare it to help chip in with the hardware itself. New hard drives, processors and servers can go a long way.
Hardware List: http://www.amazon.com/registry/wish.....rlist_go_o_C-1
Want to help out? Just buy items from our Amazon wishlist (linked above), and you can send the drives right to us during checkout! Easy as that! Be sure to put your name on the invoice so we can give you credit.
We understand that the items on the page are expensive, but server gear is expensive. We plan on investing $5-6K of our own funding into the new hardware, but are asking for you help with the rest. We're willing to make some trades to compensate. Buy a processor, and we'll toss in free advertising for a year. Buy a server chassis, and we'll give free advertising for life and guaranteed Dealer's Space at FAU. If you'd like to try to work something out directly please note me (Fender) and we'll get back to you.
For those looking to donate cash we CAN take donations via check or money order, though we'd prefer the hardware if possible. Otherwise, you have the option of helping out with Amazon gift cards we can use to purchase the hardware as well. That said, again, we understand the costs of the parts involved. It's expensive.
http://donations.furaffinity.net/
FA's been around for 8 years, and the site continues to grow on a daily basis. Help us grow even further!
Thanks,
The FA Team
We're looking to improve site performance, enhance speed and increase uptime by adding redundant systems to the site. To do that, we need to upgrade our server hardware (which is somewhat ancient, with most of our gear dating back from 2007-2008). And we'd like to ask your help. Rather than directly ask for money, we'd like to ask those of you out there who can spare it to help chip in with the hardware itself. New hard drives, processors and servers can go a long way.
Hardware List: http://www.amazon.com/registry/wish.....rlist_go_o_C-1
Want to help out? Just buy items from our Amazon wishlist (linked above), and you can send the drives right to us during checkout! Easy as that! Be sure to put your name on the invoice so we can give you credit.
We understand that the items on the page are expensive, but server gear is expensive. We plan on investing $5-6K of our own funding into the new hardware, but are asking for you help with the rest. We're willing to make some trades to compensate. Buy a processor, and we'll toss in free advertising for a year. Buy a server chassis, and we'll give free advertising for life and guaranteed Dealer's Space at FAU. If you'd like to try to work something out directly please note me (Fender) and we'll get back to you.
For those looking to donate cash we CAN take donations via check or money order, though we'd prefer the hardware if possible. Otherwise, you have the option of helping out with Amazon gift cards we can use to purchase the hardware as well. That said, again, we understand the costs of the parts involved. It's expensive.
http://donations.furaffinity.net/
FA's been around for 8 years, and the site continues to grow on a daily basis. Help us grow even further!
Thanks,
The FA Team
And that's not even considering the influx of users that would flock to a site that already has a massive amount of content, *with* a brand-spanking beautiful UI (or at least better than the table-based monstrosity that currently offends a modern browser).
But of course, as FA grows, there's some need to buy new servers, too.
there is the problem, that old hardware slowly becomes unreliable.
Usually servers need to replaced every 3 to 5 years, depending on load and environment.
In other words, just because of wear and tear, new hardware is necessary.
And then is another problem: Growing userbase. No matter how much you improve the server code,
a server with a given power can only handle a set number of clients.
So upgrades are a necessity to keep up with demand.
If they buy new hardware then they won't have money for coders. If they don't have coders then the new hardware will fall over just as badly as the current systems because of the poor website, then they'll be stuck.
If you have to throw hardware at a problem, then the problem isn't the hardware, it's the software.
Also, while eventually servers do need to be upgraded to meet performance standards as traffic grows, FA certainly doesn't need more powerful hardware than what they have right now (replacement hardware, sure, as theirs seems to be breaking). What they need is more performant code. Investing in programmers is defiantly a greater bang-for-your-buck here, as it'd result in better site security (we're looking at you, 2010 security flaws) and a much, *much* faster site overall.
honestly~! though i've no money to buy from you guys
Call it a "rare, one-of-a-kind collector's item" and post it on FurBuy.
Profit!
i love you
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Our staff support have been greatly increased, and our ticket queue is almost non-existent now. We've improved support across the board, and we're working towards making improvements. And our userbase grows by a minimum of 400 users a day.
Your saying we're understaffed and we have Fender saying and I QUOTE again
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Our staff support have been greatly increased, and our ticket queue is almost non-existent now. We've improved support across the board, and we're working towards making improvements. And our userbase grows by a minimum of 400 users a day.
I'm sorry but which of these do we believe? If your still under staffed wouldn't it make more sense to add more staffing and no offense I think it would be seriously wise to pull the staff that you already have Owners and Administrators together before releasing a major press release like this and educate them all on the happenings of this site. So when posts are made along with questions you have a universal answer across the board instead of one person saying one thing and another one saying another. While I understand that the staff here is large it makes the users here feel uncomfortable when we catch errors like this not even twenty or so posts down from the original posting dismissing things another admin has said.
I' m not trying to cause trouble I'm just wondering whose statements are correct and what are we the user base supposed to think about what is going on behind the scenes right now. Your all asking us to donate towards this community which I have no problems doing. But I do have problems donating to something that seems so disorganized that the own staff can't agree on one current statement.
The simple fact of the matter is that your website is coded like utter shit. You have been told this time and time again for several years and you refuse to listen. Your database needs a good kicking and your scripting needs optimisation. It's shocking how badly your site runs when the servers are packing 32GB a pop - I've worked on high traffic magneto based websites that ran perfectly fine with AMD Athlons and 8GB of RAM with no external data base server.
If you buy is new hardware it will not fix anything because you will once again run out of memory stemming from your poor server config and site design.
Put it this way, the Pentium 3 Xeon systems running Windows NT 4 Server where I work serve far more complicated and memory intensive mission critical applications to thousands of users across Western and Eastern Europe at any given second and they're still running like new. FA would run like wildfire on those systems IF IT WAS JUST CODED CORRECTLY.
STOP BUYING HARDWARE, UTILISE WHAT YOU ALREADY HAVE, USE THE MONEY TO HIRE SOME CODERS.
But I digress it was a simple statement to point out
Christ, it's like nothing in the fandom can happen without someone trying to start a war over it.
I'm personally not in the position to donate money at the moment but I find this journal to be sensible. Donations are meant to be free-willing. I hate how people forgot what the word means and every time they see it on a journal they bash the poster as if they had just kicked down their door and put a gun to their head shouting at them fr money o.o
If you want to continue to argue go ahead.
That right there. 'Nuff said.
I understand that good hardware is part of successfully running a site of this size but I do have to wonder if the hardware issues aren't partially due to the way it is abused daily by how overly inflated the system is. I would love to see how much the overheads come down if the new site ever appears.
I could have been reporting more AUP violations, but I've given up when the average response rate was 2-3 months after.
Have a nice day and give us more money!
I understand you're just having a cheap laugh, but please, doing so at the expense of the administration is not very nice.
I understand that it can take a lot of work to run and maintain a site, and keep all of it's features currant, but it's been shown several times the administration is less than professional and extremely unpunctual. The revolving door that is the staff I'm sure isn't helping.
Honestly, laughing at this is just a reflex at this point. I'd love for this site to do well and live up to the expectations both as an art site and a community, and there were several times I genuinely wanted to donate when FA needed it, but in all honesty, it's just not worth it. FA feels stuck in a stagnant state in terms of development and fixes. I feel like there is an extreme lack of passion to drive this site to it's real potential. I understand there life can have it's limitations on time and resources, but if you're truly passionate, you can bring that passion to realization. Especially with past donation runs and other funds that do help this site. Something just really seems a huge miss here.
Honestly.
You should ban them for being clever, being an admin and all. Everyone knows you get special treatment to protect your fragile emotions!
The problem with ticket response time is due to being understaffed. There is progress being made in that department.
'Kay.
Even so, while we have more people working on tickets now, they still require training and there is a rather large backlog the already existing tickets.
It will take some time for the change to become easily observable.
But, I don't offer commissions and am a broke ass anyways :P But others who make money here might be willing to give back if it means they get to continue to sell art here :D
Though good on others to help donate.
It'd be nice for some of the artists who have benefited so much from FA to give back, not required, but nice :D
Everyone just stays here and complains rather than collectively going where it -is- better and then lesser known artists have to deal with it because it's where the masses are, with a site that is substandard and less user friendly. It'd just be nice to finally see an improvement one way or the other.
Besides, it's not like people need to leave FA, it's just be nice if more people would have the attention span and willingness to give other places more of a chance instead of just staying bunched up here like a bunch of hermits.
SoFurry though evolved from Yiffstar and did do a tech upgrade along with a site overhaul, They though manage to get away with a site overhaul due to their userbase is about half to 75% to FA's ACTUAL user count so they could take down the site when they did that from Yiffstar to SoFurry, while still work on SoFurry 2.0 while SoFurry 1.0 was active.
But they got more room to work with unlike FA sadly, they can work with more with less
I will agree its still smaller than FA though
Though seeing two more site doing more with less worries me a bit that FA's ability to remain the top place as a market place, but you are right, its too active here and they cant do the same what SoFurry did when they left from being Yiffstar (I was there also since it was yiffstar) to become Sofurry. Though my friend often say this "I hate when people promise us something and keep on promising us something...stop that shit at this point, stop promising us anything. Pick having piss off users that dont see any progress over users who are pissed that the new stuff isnt here yet" We were less piss when FA needed stuff to keep going when there was nothing promised, over now when we keep on being promised stuff and get nothing or something we never needed.
I like the community better here, honestly. I got up to 500 watchers on Yiffstar back when that was a fair amount. I got...two commissions in two years/year and a half? Within the first few months of being here I was doing a lot better with it. FA has been very good to me community wise, commission wise, set up wise. I hate a lot of things here, but overall (again, personal opinion), I like it better here.
...of users
You win at life. lol
But it's not for FA, it's for actual hardware.
Ends up still being for FA, since it would be money sent to FA for FA to purchase something to assist FA.
Paypal has a thing about money not going towards purchasing adult material. However; you're raising a fund for a part. There's a line, dude. It's like paypal refusing me for wanting to buy a laptop screen because I'm going to browse porn with it. They're not going to be like "YOU STREAM PORN, SO NO PURCHASING THE SCREEN."
The reason paypal stopped FA donations was because they were worried about the legality of something that could be child porn. Allowing a paypal donation for server parts is different than asking it for the site in general.
And again, then they can set up a chipin or a kickstarter. Where we can keep track of the donations and such.
10, 50, and 100 intervals I believe...
Better software/code is useless without hardware and network to support the userbase/requests/etc.
Better hardware is useless without software to use it.
There are code/software changes being worked on as well as the hardware upgrades mentioned here.
Code takes time Hardware takes money. Time is more readily available then money.
"Code takes time, Hardware takes money. Time is more readily available then money." then logically the site updates would get done faster than updating the hardware, except that isn't the case.
http://en.wikifur.com/wiki/Fur_Affi.....uture_features
and that list doesn't even have half the features that FA users have been requesting for years.
I don't know the details because I'm not involved in the project, however I can say for certain that the new UI is well underway and has been for a while.
Likewise for other requests and such, several features are being developed by the tech team. But at the same time they are working on sorting out the issues you get while running a major website, as well as a whole bunch of other stuff that they have to do.
However from what I have seen and heard etc etc, regardless on what they have or haven't done in the past, 'neer etc is fixing things up and trying to get things as good as he can now. Regardless of whats been done in the past, that's what he is trying to do now.
This is an old known bug that still needs to be fixed.
And the stopping factor are about 150+ million already existing comments and the necessity to redo pretty much everything about how FA handles comment threading and related admin tools.
The task is not impossible, but it does require quite a lot of time dedicated to its completion, preferably non-interruptable. Alas so far a chance like that haven't appeared, but work is being done towards it taking place, sooner than later.
* the amount of existing user data. any changes that require that data being reorganized or accessed in a different way require significant work and planning in order not to break something or simply not to overload the site because the new way is 0.1% slower than the previous and it adds up over millions of requests per hour.
* legacy. artifacts like bugs in the code that led to anomalous data stored in the database or the filesystem, or files stored in a less that acceptably efficient way that you can't easily fix because of... data artifacts.
* thorough security and usability testing. bigger websites have more exposure and there are more people poking at the holes at any given time. existing users have a lot of personal data accumulated which makes sub-standard interfaces for accessing and managing it not acceptable.
* size of the databases and user data storage. adding new features often requires changes in database structure. sites with little data can do that fast enough not to be a problem when as with a database the size of FA the same change would take half a dozen hours of downtime.
Think of this as building a new office complex compared to doing renovation of a similar complex that has people working in it, while they are working in it. You're simply not allowed to cut the power to the entire floor, take a jackhammer to the wall or ruin the plumbing. regardless of how much easier it would have made your job.
I can not speak for the entirety of FA's existence, as I simply do not recall that far. Of what I do recall, it's a combination of demotivating drama, site issues requiring urgent attention elsewhere, real life taking over and well, I would lie if I didn't say there was not a single case of procrastination.
If they compleatly re wrote the website THEN got hardware maybe people with any sort of technical knowledge would be more understanding. Its embarrasing when an unencyclopedia dramatica page doesnt even have to troll about everything that is technicaly wrong and all the hickups that has occured because the admins failed to get their thumbs outa their asses and recode the website when they needed it. Now people are getting pissed, the hardware is starting to cough because again, they havnt done what they were warned about ages ago.
The reason the server is struggling at 5 years old is because the website has been so poorly coded. Have you ever viewed this thing in firefox 3d? its insane!
Code takes time and people, somthing that fA has never been willing to get and members who are begging to be allowed to try and help fix the website get ignored because dragoneer wants to keep his baby and wont let anyone except 2 or 3 ppl near the code. Admins have left in the past due to lack of support on this (I MEAN ADMINISTRATORS NOT MODS, most of the "admins" you see floating around are nothing more than moderators", admins are those really incharge and take care of the back end work, and in the past after they warned multiple times of what coding needs done to the website after being told no they gave up and went and suddenly what do ya know the website then fails and hardware always gets blamed.
And seriously buying seagate hard drives...10 of them. I know theres no point in buying insanely high specs but at the same time you dont buy crap hard drives, thats just asking for another RAID failure.
It's been proven that crowd sourcing is much, much more effective than having a small team of people scratching their brains because sometimes it just takes an extra set of eyes, or the compounds of a few different people's changes.
I only wish they'd embrace this. :( I really think it would be more beneficial in the long run.
I hope with the new hardware they get some stuff done for the code or get a system in place to allow more coders so even the likes of Yak can relax a bit. There are loads of furs with the technical knowledge needed, if each of them implemented a small feature...
everything always is!
:D
Such language. Naughty naughty.
What everyone is fed up with is false sense of hope for changes and updates n' shit. So yes, in a sense, we ARE waiting and have been for quite a few years ;3
So uh... thanks! :D
We've all heard the bitching, and you know what? Some of it is valid and they'd hear less if they made through on promises. When you start asking for more money it's going to rub others the wrong way. Honestly they should throw in pay features and non pay features for the website so they don't have to worry on donations anymore. Seems deviant art has thrived for years on the subscriptions haven't they?
Point is it's futile to try and cut down every person that complains, because as you pointed out both sides are tired of it.
I agree on those that shouldn't complain and if you looked I haven't been complaining have I? You fail to realize while I haven't monetarily supported the servers but like many I have paid artists for their work. The website gets support in the fact it brings business in, a slightly charitable one to artists and at times I have made positive comments to staff, etc. A good realization would be from what I have posted what I got here over the course of six + years on this site. I contributed in comments and that, so even though I'm not as active as a normal artist there is some contribution to discussions, etc.This is the normal for many visitors. I already saw the servers and downtime once like many others. If you just got onto this site and only visited then? You never were even around for it last time when they needed donations and guess what? Not much site difference since then except no longer a commission page.
What you lack to understand, despite either your age, judgement or just lack of time around fa that you are failing to grasp there are two sides to this. You are so stuck on the fact of people complaining you just don't see it's valid. How about you take your own advice and actually make the suggestions or donate money or time to the site? Isn't that a complaint in itself on your end what you want to see?
At this point in time I wouldn't give them a dime. For what services I do use only equate to a free level if that. I check maybe once a day, look over some images of watched people that post, comment and go about my business. Rarely I get a commission from an artist due to my own funds being used for bills and the normal, but if an artist performs exceedingly well and shows great promise I do not mind paying a little more to help them. Which is the key word there. The service here has been lacking so I don't expect much more than what I get from fa. I already stated on if they made pay and non pay, which at this time they are best of doing. Because the donation drive seems to be at a very bad point right now as some are still bitter over no changes and other issues I'd rather not name.
I offer them luck and a little hope to get what they need, but at this rate asking again in five years or so for more in upgrading I really don't see the site surviving that due to increased competition unless they can make themselves more competitive.
That's nice. I've been lurking the fandom since Yerf was Rat.org. Many people here have been in the fandom, or at least aware of it for many, many, many years before that. Did you know this fandom has actually been around since like the '70's? Also, you're contradicting yourself here. You bitch about people who are tired of seeing promises never fulfilled, and then go, "HAY GUIZ I DUN BEEN A FUR A LONG TIME 2!" To which I have to ask: What the fuck is the point you're trying to make? Make up your mind. Are you one of the "grumpy old farts" or one of the "AWZUM N00BZ"? Sheesh. o_o
"These people don't get paid to work on this site and they have jobs,families,bills to pay and lives to live they don't have time to work on the site constantly especially since they get nothing out of it and with the way everyone bitches about everything they do why would they WANT to?"
OMFG. Dude. You are SO not getting the fucking point. We KNOW they have bills to pay and shit to do IRL. We appreciate the service they offer. That's not even the problem. The problem is, why the fuck offer a service if you're not going to bother taking care of or running it properly? It's like being offered free lemonade that tastes like piss. Why bother serving it to anyone?
And because I know you're going to blather on with the usual "LOLTHENWHYDON'TYOULEAVE??" shit, I'll point out what others have tried with you in previous posts. Hopefully I'll be able to get it through your thick head, but I'm not holding my breath.
People like it here. Many people even depend on this site for their main source of income. That alone is reason for many to not only want, but pretty much need the site to work worth a shit. Many people donate, maybe not as many as anyone would like, but they do donate. As many, many, many others have said, they would be happy to donate if they actually thought it would help anything. The admins have shown time and time again that they either are incapable or unwilling to make real improvements to the site. Who knows, maybe they actually are in the process of improving things, but their past record isn't helping them. This is a classic case of boy-crying-wolf. They would have MUCH more money to play with if they put some real, even semi-competent effort into the whole thing.
The whole gist is that people like it here for the most part, but we're tired of hearing about site improvements when there have been so few, if any real improvements over the years. It's hard to want to give your money to a cause if you don't think the cause is worthwhile, or at the very least, going to work. That's it. Plain and simple. No grumpy old fart-ness here, just people being realistic.
All in all, I say again: Why bother having a service if you're not going to do it right? :/
"the site....works....fine"
"the site w- the boat you're sailing in denial is absolutely laughable. You sound like the rednecks that go "Don't like 'merica?! Den leeve!" Sorry but like 'merica, I can't just "leave". It's much more difficult than that if you could even possibly begin to comprehend such a concept.
Lessee... [strike]assisstance[/strike] assistance* to help. How about: folders, commissions page, thumbnails, new UI, better coding, groups and perhaps some others I have missed that we have been waiting on for YEARS? So at least our bitching is validated by false promises and "it's on our to-do-list" for many months and years... where as you, little one, have only been here for roughly a year. So continue to berate us on expressing how we feel when it comes to the waiting game. I bid you adieu.
No, it really doesn't. Literally EVERYONE is telling you that what you are saying is not the case. Working fine implies that there are no issues with the site, which is simply not the case. It's really as simple as that. Does the site at least *work*? Yes, it does. Could the site work a whole hell of a lot better? Absolutely, yes.
Another fact is that people DO help this site by reporting issues and site abuse, but tickets can go unanswered for months. Staff is a revolving door and the "fixes" always promised never come and instead are replaced with distracting minor layout updates.
This site isn't just doesn't have the functionality that a lot of -artists- need (and what is actually STANDARD for most art sites). It's easy for all the big names because everyone knows where to find them, but people starting on the bottom need to struggle to get views because you're lucky if your submission gets 10 seconds of main page time. There are no organization functions. Music submission editing constantly breaks files. Thumbnails got broken with that rounded larger thumbnail system, and they never fixed that after they said they would. It's always "We're working on a fix™"
"Give us money so we can fail to deliver yet again!" (Through sketchy Amazon gift cards... okay then.)
For a site that prides itself on being the "largest furry art community" it's standards embarrassingly low.
Keep white knighting to score them furry pride points and lashing out with the same old tired come backs as all like you do.
Oh, and Google+ copy/pasta.
Yeah, about that. Inigo Montoya wants a few words with you...
for FREE?
It's not looking so free right now, is it? Just a reminder that coders have offered their services for free and were turned away, and hardware alone is far from the main issue. Many of the problems are self-inflicted and advice has been either deflected or ignored. After so long, peaceful discussion grows exasperated, especially in the face of new hiccups that were avoidable with foresight that people either already have shared, or would be willing to offer amiably. Unfucking the reputation at this point would be painfully hard, but not entirely impossible. Art communities are notorious for having crazy-bad frustrating elements, but you honestly can't shrug it all off as 'entitlement' when much of the criticism comes from a point where they expect nothing. Commentary and discussion is not the same as demanding or attacking, though discerning between them can be hard if you don't have a thick skin and some professional clarity. The sooner the distinction is learned, the sooner it can be realised that many of us are on the same side, and that money isn't the only/best way to contribute. Besides, questioning stuff is a good habit to maintain.
or when you compare World of Warcraft(Furaffinity) to Guildwars 2(Sofurry), one is newer and has a better interface and features and the other is 10 years old and is seriously lacking basic standard features that other MMO's have.
Now if they wish to pony up and donate good to them but, most of the people I see make their money on here to help mostly for their living expenses.
* Opinions may vary
"Did I day it was a demand? No I did not. I simply stated those who wish they could afford to can't because of some things like this. If I was able to donate to the site I would because I met a great deal of people on here whom I couldn't imagine not having in my life and all the wonderful artist I enjoy seeing and watching.
But I digress it was a simple statement to point out."
I have more rights to speak my thoughts/opinions.
You don't like it don't comment on it.
Just a thought. Nothing against you.
Though you are right and thank you for being more pleasant about it than those mentioned above.
And of course! No reason stuff like this can't be talked about with a decent head.
Then why do you feel the need to reply to just about everyone's comment? Seems to me that you don't like over half of what these people are saying or the contents of this journal. You have a right to voice your opinion but that doesn't mean you should abuse that right. If you can't donate, then keep mouth shut and move along. You don't have to throw your negativity all over the place just to get your point across.
THE PAYMENT SYSTEM IS PRETTY MUCH US ONLY
If you are from anywhere else good luck paying the amazon and then having a large conversion charge from your bank =/
If I saw fA set up a system where I wouldnt get charged for sending money to the US then ya know what? I would throw my money at them. Right now I can spend £3-5 to send an envelope of money to the usa (after I find somewhere I can change £ into $) =/ because thats what the current donation system is.
K im ready for every one who disagrees with me to go ahead and post your hate BS in response to my opinion witch is really all most of you are good for any how.
But to each his or her own for how people and staff treat each other.
You rock on with your bad self and shouldn't be put down for your own experience and troubles friend.
Something like that.
Regardless, Im leaving through the cat door right now.
...
*Gets stuck*
Also... why just 5 RAID drives per system? Shouldn't you be ordering an additional drive per server for when the hot swappable drive gives out?
And the 5 RAID drives are a limitation of Amazon. We can't add more than 5 to the list. We plan on getting 10 total.
But, they need more RAMs, you see: http://en.wikifur.com/wiki/Fur_Affinity#Hardware
Maybe with enough servers, they could make a cluster. >.>'
I saved the wishlist for now, I might donate a hard drive when I have some more $. Gotta pay rent first XD
I'm leaving for New Orleans this week but as soon as I return I would like to donate some to the site!
Also Iam very good friends with several computer business people... If you would like I could talk to them and see if they might have any of the things you listed above for cheaper? I don't know much about computer parts and such but it's worth a shot I suppose! X3
I actually try to avoid the drama XD. cause there is just no talking to some People xD.
And yes i would love your internet hug
/HUGS
Expecting to get this site faster and better again.
I unfortunately don´t have extra money to donate atm,it´s bit silent on commissioning side overall
The FX-8350 is a 15% better ( https://www.dropbox.com/s/kwy69erl5.....3%ADtulo-1.jpg )
I think... this is not a critique... Iam just curious ^^
What IOS do you use? GNU/Linux? Redhat?
I see the new motherboard is a Dual LGA2011... Is it necessary that both processors will be exactly the same? or can be 2 different Intel Xeon series but just the same socket?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cisco_IOS
So to reiterate, IOS has nothing to do with server operating systems, such as Windows Server, Red Hat Enterprise Linux, Solaris, etc. Instead, IOS is the operating system of Cisco Systems switches and routers, which is why it makes sense that your Cisco Networking Academy would be discussing it.
See ya ^^
I think a couple desktops with FX would perform better...
And isn't the FX like... 1/3 the price? Quite frankly I'd go AMD all the way... It's simply cheaper and I'm fairly certain it'd do just as good as any Intel setup (For this site, atleast) for much much cheaper.
You're very much right.
I almost did the same thing back when I was building meh PC...
I almost went for a 2600k
Then...
I read...
My Phenom II X6 held up perfectly.. All games ran fine...
Then the 8350 came about... Oh people where crying cuz it wasn't as good again..
Hah..
I got the 8350..
My friend's similar build with a 3770k and I can barely tell the difference... Exept price.
I read reviews for durability...
I'll let my own perception tell me how performance could be...
If people say AMD is crap it's because A) They've never owned one or B) They're Intel fanboys.. eme
So yes, you're right. Once more.
Im a small time drawer, i would like to get more of myself known, what could you guys do for me?
Thinkin of buyin one of the $100 things
There should be an option to buy them as a gift when checking out.
OH GOD MY SIDES.
Perhaps though, you could get a trusted admin, to accept Donations via PayPal, and then they can transfer it to their bank and A.) Buy the parts needed or B.) Send you the money directly.
Something to consider anyways..
I want to support the site as well.T_T'''
I use to do it for a website, and never got it any type of trouble, of course it wasn't as large scale as FA, but still their PayPal donations were shut down. I managed it for them privately, and once I received the PP payments. I would transfer them to my bank account every 5-7 days and give it to the owners via Google Check out.
I'd be willing to do it for anyone whom would want to trust me if they really want to contribute to FA via PayPal, but in no way shape or form saying you have to trust me. Just an option if you wish.
Note that cub porn HAS been removed since then.
Additionally, like said by the other people, issues regarding porn, etc.
"I would be willing to accept any magnitude of donation you want to contribute via PayPal, and then transfer it to my bank account and purchase either gift cards or software for FA via Amazon, and leave your FA username for the purchase whilst doing so. Not saying you have to trust me, but just giving you a possible way to contribute ^^ note me if you wish.
"
Not impressed.
http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m.....o1_r1_1280.jpg
If I donate an Amazon gift card, will that translate into directly helping the site? It's sort of a back-door way of making a paperless payment to FA. If it works, maybe you can add that suggestion to the donation page, with $10, $25, $50, $100 options. I used to donate when you accepted electronic payments, and will again if the gift card option actually goes toward the site.
And yes, Amazon gift cards will help directly. We have to buy the hardware, so if we can take $50 off a hard drive or $100 off a server it will save us money over time. Quite a bit of money. It's pretty much the same as cash as far as we're concerned.
maybe a recent pic of your colocation rack and the costs for the power and bandwidth?
Thanks,
Keet
Novastorm (Sunfire X4150 server, 2X Xeon L5420, 64GB RAM, 8X 15K RPM SAS) (2008)
Trogdor (Dell Poweredge 2970, 2x AMD Opteron 2212, 32GB RAM, 6X 1TB HD) (2008)
IO (2X Xeon E5435, 16GB RAM, 12TB Storage) (2009-2012)
Sparks (2X Xeon E5435, 32GB RAM - don't know Sparks' storage right off) (2009-2010)
Figment (2X Xeon E5345, 32GB RAM, 6TB) (2009-2010)
Bahamut (1X Opteron 1212, 2GB RAM, 4TB) 2007 (Mostly not in use)
Novastorm and Trogdor are basically going to be replaced, then refit/fixed to be secondary redundant machines. Bahamut is going to be outright replaced becaues it's not worth the power draw for what lil' kick it offers. Sparks, IO and Figment are fine.
We have some other Penguin boxes that are mixed hardware, 48GB of RAM, but we've been having a bit of trouble with them. We're keeping them around, but not for production stuff. They're from 2006-2007.
And I could probably take pictures next time I go to the colo, yep.
We need to focus on that, not wait until something breaks. 5 years is a long time in the hardware world. These machines are on 24/7, usually maxed out. It's a lot of wear and tear.
Outages suck more than site slow down.
http://www.vaultnetworks.com/dedica.....lid-state.html
this is one of MANY debates.
Failure rate is very low in a completely stationary server.
I've had 4 internal seagate and 2 external (I didn't buy any) After the first two fails I began using them on my secondary system and non important drives (where I install games) All the internals failed within a few years and the externals the power supply went on one and the other just stopped working. Everyone I know always seems to have issues with seagates.
All I will say is good luck with them. I hope they are better quality than their standard ones
But I avoid both Seagate and Samsung like the plague.
At any rate, I can actually give back now. I have credit with Amazon. And since I already have a balance from a few of my college textbooks, I can afford to send a couple $10 gift cards FA's way.
Order placed Fender.
Becoming an admin would not only show you the awful sides of people in this fandom... but make you directly deal with it and have to be polite to the thankless and sometimes pushy users complaining about anything and everything.
You're giving back so much by being a positive contributor, a happy member, and I see you also helped donate, that's awesome too! Try to understand how helpful it is to be a happy face among some vitriolic ones <3
"generally, an SSD has a faster I/O, but only has so many I/Os before it begins to go "read only." There is actually a lot of talk about this topic, with no clear answer. Only pros and cons per each side. However, in my honest opinion, for a site like FA, larger HDD that would last much longer than a traditional SSD would be better for the site.
http://www.vaultnetworks.com/dedica.....lid-state.html
this is one of MANY debates. "
anyways, thinking about this more. IF there was a redundancy, and fa had loadsofmoney, SSDs wouldnt be a bad idea for the side. It would improve load times, or at least help with them.
It would NOT fix the codding problems which are still the main issues on this site.
Again, its price v use ability.
And the said coding issues are being dealt with AFAIK.
SSDs have shorter lifespans and are generally more expensive than mechanical platter drives.
But for something like running a database server you're going to want the longevity and redundancy in old-style platter HDs.
The technology for SSDs is moving forward fast though, so who knows, maybe 7-10 years they might totally replace mechanical HDs completely in all market segments.
http://www.techspot.com/news/51653-.....lash-chip.html
1. Cost a hell of a lot more than traditional magnetic platter drives
2. Their truly only useful in netbooks and any kind of ultra portable system due to their no moving parts, low energy consumption, and low heat creation.
3. They have limited re-write cycles; not something that would be good in a server which is constantly writing and re-writing data.
4. Access speeds are only marginally faster than traditional 7200 rpm hard drives. Were talking only a handful of milliseconds.
Spose some cant grasp websites don't grow on tree's
I was expecting a new UI by January/Feb and we are at the end of febuary and once again like all the other times...nothing seems to be appearing.
And of course make it a method of payment that causes charges for people outside of the US great, making it once again very incompatable with people world wide who wish to donate that cant afford to fork out lots of money like some people manage to on fA
-_- Coulda tried indiegogo or somthing let people donate what they want intead of making a minimum of $10.
Also I find the use of seagate hard drives hilarious.
It's not just people who do that, the rule is for every artist..
Even if I did however, I think what I'd donate most for is an initiative to spread FA across multiple servers... including some in Europe. Still waiting for FA to do that like most other large websites, but I'm seeing no sign of it
The users will never be happy will they?
I´m thinking about to buy you a gift card for amazon.
I know a part of FA´s users would like to donate, too.
But they are searching for FidorPay, Moneybookers or bad Paypal.
I like the idea of gift cards and buying parts - will put those familiar soapbox cries of "where does all the money go" to bed.
When my debts are paid I hope to contribute. This site is free, it's helped me pay my bills, beggars can't be choosers (that whole spiel).
I truly do not envy your job, good luck!
Really, if there's income coming from those postings, you really shouldn't need to ask for hardware donations like this.
That, and better code would help take some stress of the hardware, if a bit marginally. As far as I can tell, it hasn't changed in years.
I'd be inclined to donate if I felt the site was a decent enough investment, but seeing as I've found something I like better, I put money into the alternatives instead. Other sites catered to our interests have more features; Artist donations, Submission stacking/grouping/customization options, multimedia integration for advertising, Print sales, High-res previews, to name a few. And other sites have excellent backbone, with dedicated, focused staff backing it up. It took FA half a year to fix the commissions tab when that broke apart, and that was a rather redundant feature at best. I can't even think of a time where I haven't groaned at the goings-on with this place, whether it was yet another unplanned outage, incompetent staff, or some poorly put together feature going on the fritz.
I mean, at least it's free for us, but so are the others.
Business is business, after all.
I keep saying there needs to be a payment system that works for people world wide. I would happily debit fA $12 a year =/ heck even £12 a year! but the system is once again allowing only those on the US
You know what's better than HDD? This thing is called SSD, it's those hard drive things that has chips in it and it goes very faster and never burns out and it also loads very quickly, but it's very expensive.
HDD is just a hard drive that has a cd disk in it, it will load slowly for some reason, and burns out quick.
If you wanna see the test between HDD Vs. SSD, HDD runs out quick and the SSD keeps on going and won't give up.
Samsung SSD vs HDD #1 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rjCmLJtITK4
Samsung SSD vs HDD #2 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pJMGAdpCLVg
And you know I always do reseaching a lot, and trying to make decisions before choosing the other one that is a wrong choice.
SSDs are great for development, artists, gamers and the average home user. Not so much for servers, as they tend to slam their wear leveling hard. I've been using SSDs for years, and love 'em. But they're just not right in a server environment.
That said, I have thought about it, and do want a server with SSDs, but it wouldn't be a major DB server, and SSDs don't have the volume for storage.
SSD's is like almost to $500.00, the only higher gig they got is 512GB, I rather choose the HDD instead and get like a 1TB that is cheaper under $100.00.
If a person buys ad space, will that money go to helping buy the gear you guys need? I want to help, but I don't have enough money to buy a server (let alone a chassis). But, I can certainly buy ad space if that will help. ...I...don't know if it will or not, though.
I've spent $600 on replacement parts in the last half of last year. I'd rather not have to keep buying replacement parts, because we'll be doing upkeep on old systems -vs- buying faster parts for newer systems that benefit the site more.
Is there an FA gift shop off site or something?
And
If not, why not set something up. Sell Fender shirts and stuff so that it can alleviate some of the costs of bandwidth and code/hardware costs.
Even if you are bringing in only a couple hundred bucks a month in profit, you are helping out. I wouldn't be surprised if you could set something up through a company that would sell and ship them for you. Then you are not wasting a whole lot of time for your admin staff.
Just some thoughts to help take the pressure of you guys as far as the mulla goes.
The issue would be the same as the general monetary donations.
How to take payments.
Can't use paypal or a couple of others.
~Spooky
You're not getting a single penny from me.
I would love to see you run a site like this with a team of people, especially considering it consumes valuable time and they do not get paid. As far as working this site to be the best it can be, the least Dragoneer need is someone claiming he can't do his job.
The site works. He is the admin of the site. Therefore , he is pretty damn competent. If you can't say anything nice , don't say anything at all.
Also DA staff are paid and they are still pretty incompetent and are just as bad about enforcing their rules.
And Weasyl just feels dead to me.
I'm hoping it will pick up, now that it's open beta. But it's not really looking all that promising, unfortunately.
Even with the help of a few dozen friends, running and maintaining a site of this size would be no easy task. The bandwidth cost for this site alone costs nearly four times the amount of money I get each year, and that doesn't count the hardware, and the time required to make it work. Go ahead, show the world how easy you think it really is! Maybe your time is free and you have money trees growing in your back yard. Let's see you do better.
No :^)
im in cisco network program in A+ i can burn u a copy all u need is a product key from microsoft.
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exactly, i make send only pay pal or send from card.
What are those gift cards for? Do the servers run off of those?
If you want our money to just buy random shit that's not for the site, just be honest about it.
...
Given the recent exodus of users to other sites due to terrible admin/mod/staff behavior, I'm highly disinclined to trust them, not that I ever actually have.
You just asked a stupid question
Also, it's spiel.
Sorry, minor grammar nazi moment there.
Do you guys actually have anyone on your team who knows anything about server hardware? You guys have been buying and using (to quote someone on /furi/, because I honestly spend more time there than here these days) "sub-par shitware" for years, and once again you are doing the exact same thing.
It's so sad. Think of the children.
After all, all the current hardware is in use. Right?
I just keep seeing that and thinking how it would make such a lovely cluster with built in redundancy, but you know...
If I recall correctly, FA has not posted a list of its hardware that's in use anywhere for a while now.
You still can.
How's that for advice?
Still, please keep the amount of insults to a minimum. You do not know what I do, or how I do it; you haven't seen a scrap of my code. There is literally zero ground for you to stand on claiming that :P
But if you want a more concrete exemple, then consider the fact notes cannot be deleted from the servers because if they were, the site would break down.
Apologies. No sleep for 48 hours, makes things like this difficult....
... or you could just revive the ferrox project and get it done for free.
They cannot comprehend what competence is.
There is no conceivable way to call that a waste of money. If you don't replace the hardware, it breaks down and the site stops working. The parts bill is too great for FA to pay alone, so it asks for help of those that can and are willing to provide it.
And you're dodging my question, which was about your claim that nobody at FA knowing anything about server hardware. I am curious as to why you think that, and you haven't answered it.
Really? Given the history of FA it looks like you're doing that exact thing. Have you given us any evidence otherwise? No, you have no.
You guys wouldn't be having so many problems with your hardware if you didn't have bad code. Do you think that bad coding can't affect hardware in any way or something? Your "new hardware" is going to fail just as badly if you don't fix the code first or, at the very least, ASAP (and "ASAP" does not mean "a few years from now when our "new hardware" starts failing AGAIN"). It would also help if you got better hardware, but good code will run on (and not ruin) the hardware you guys have already.
PS. If you want advice from anyone on sever hardware, you're going to post a list of the hardware you already have (and the alleged problems with them), and a list of the hardware you would like to buy. You should have done this BEFORE asking for "donations", so that you could ensure you get the proper parts, for the proper job.
1. To me at least, it doesn't look like much background research was done before choosing this hardware. As I mentioned in a previous post the processor chosen does not support the ram speed chosen, the E5-2620 will only support up to 1333mhz ram, so that shiny 1600Mhz ram you're buying won't be run at it's full potential.
2. Someone mentioned previously that the AMD-8350 would provide better performance at a lower price, any person knowledgeable in hardware knows that at the core there is no difference between a 'server' and and a 'desktop' processor. Given that the 8350 is a AM3+ chipset CPU (yes, you can get AM3+ server boards as the some opterons run on the same chipset). in short, you are paying more for a processor with less performance.
I'm more than happy to accept I am wrong on either of those, provided I'm shown some proof
Uh, as the staff can tell folks are a little more than upset with the way FA has rolled out its features. Generally speaking, folks (not just furries) may not be as inclined to donate to projects like this if there isn't something new and shiny to get their attention. It would have been much better for FA to put a united push to get the new UI out and do a decent update before trying to get a big donation drive going. :)
People will always bitch about the staff because that's part of people, but the promised UI is fixable and doable and would garner a much better response.
Will updating some graphics make you think that the code underneath is all new? That line of thinking is precisely why companies redesign their GUIs ever year, even when the underlying code is crap.
I'm happy to see FA updating hyperlinks to help prevent clickjacking, but the visual design of the page doesn't change. Meanwhile, a recent update to DA completely broke click-to-drag, so it's pretty obvious they didn't bother testing it before making it live.
also http://forums.furaffinity.net/threa.....d-Donate-To-FA
also what happened to this FA from 09.
https://images.encyclopediadramatic.....ge-rev-2.0.png
While I understand you may not like some things that have taken place between him and others a good while ago, I do not see how any of it is relevant.
FurAffinity provides social networking and exposure to artists new and old. To some it helps build motivation to continue pursuing the venture of art, to others - a way to meet new people who may become their best friends, and to many - a way to advertize their services and contact their clientele.
The donation drive is geared towards replacing the old and already failing hardware that powers this platform, so it may continue providing its services further.
Is there a point to your comment?
Everyone uses FA for their own purposes, and other people's might be different than your own. I'll never be able to speak for 850+ thousand people, what I said is just a few of the uses I've seen.
In reality, people have been saying that FA will not likely survive another month/that new website/the incompetence of its staff/security vulnerabilities ever since FA's inception. Through sheer luck, or dedication, perhaps a chance that we're not as incompetent as people like to claim, or what have you - we've managed to keep FA alive and afloat through all this time and if we can help it, will continue doing so.
Sometimes when the expenses get a bit overwhelming we're forced into asking for help; and we honestly appreciate every bit of it from those that are able and willing to.
On a perspective there's much I have to say to you and it might sting, but nonetheless its criticism you should hear. If you are in fact the main coder of the site, I'm actually very surprised there hasn't been a review for your position, because quite frankly I think in the competitive market of any business? You would have been let go, or again at the least you would be asked many a question to your functionality and contribution to the business represented.
In short, if you are solely working on all of the code and it might be wonderful to sit at the top, why is it so hard to feel the need to shoot down any time of getting help? Is there a phobia of security flaws that could happen if you had assistance on purposeful leaks into the site if they touched it? Or would you feel replaced if professionals were called in to work on it in your stead?
I can see from your view in why you would dodge any questions pertaining to your work, as you wouldn't want it exploited far more than it has in the past, but in this day and age there has to be a middle ground if you feel what you are working for will actually be around years from now, or at least you'll even be able to continue working on it due to lack of funding or whatever measure.
You have to understand like any business that it constantly evolves and there is passion in your work, but in the world of websites that the business works almost like a fad's in how quickly they can disappear. You can cling to the fact of having sheer luck and not as much competition in the past but it's no longer 2005 or 2007 or even 2010. Its 2013. If you can't adapt to the changes and like many, websites can have better functionality and like technology, can run smoother with better code. Is this attacking your work directly? No it means that it's time if you haven't in all this time you need to sit down and be open to the fact of the site needs the work. What was fine years ago is not going to hold now. You have to stare at that sentence and let it sink in. Realize you got something running for now, but like when you upgrade hardware its time to get the software to make its real power. That means you have to do more work on it, and either start ripping it apart for the code or building something new like you tried to before. The fact is: you cannot keep using what you have. I mean look at what was updated since then on the website end of how flash is integrated along with html. We've come a long way from the inception of the site to what was possible to what is possible now, and you have opportunities to take advantage of that while its still there and while you still have many to witness maybe even better work from you. This is your art isn't it?
Right now your code what it's proving that its bloated and actually crippling the stability of the hardware. Its not current, and it can't fully utilize all the changes that have taken place, and the longer you put it off is only going to make it worse. Just getting more hardware to replace those that are starting to fail is not the only solution. With what time you have left, you need to not just worry on that but look into all of that code and make it work better. If you can't do so, admit it and allow the assistance professionally. It's nothing against you as an employee or worker here, but its to work as a team. There can be a point the website's code will get so old that it can be fully exploitable and you will be so outdated on it that getting new hardware will no longer suffice as some have pointed out. I honestly believe that in most of this up to this point you don't even want to try that as to which brings me back to my other paragraph if you have some phobia on being replaced.
I have to bring up duke nukem forever on the fact if you recall 3drealms did exactly what all admins have been doing. Be it choice or not in trying to be more hush on updates, not doing much to actually fix things, or if so you don't really see it much but the more drama filled things. (I'm trying not to mention them here.) If you do recall how Take Two handled them when they tried to make promises they couldn't keep by severing funding and 3d realms went under? Does that seem familiar? Right now it's happening just as that.
People are not going to fund something that time and time again you had time to fix. It's not right or fair to ask. Sure in one light it does equate to a good thing to help, but right now you need more a push in the direction to get this done right. All the admin need to sit down, or do a skype conference or something before asking for funds and actually make good and what they need to. Show what they are going to do aside a hardware change because coding should be at the top of the list too along with a few other things needs to be discussed on certain behaviors. The fact of it is, you can't go by what you had for the past six or so years and expect things to remain on sheer luck.
FA is not too big to fail and I guarantee if this site did have another outage you may lose 75% of your user base. Just like how others found people with common interests here they can elsewhere. This is not the only website, and in that you should tell yourself all of this if you haven't already. It should sink in that maybe you did good work THEN but this is now. You can't just throw money at dying hardware and expect things to be ok.
I wouldn't want to be in your position but that's what you get for taking it, you have to keep up with the times and be ready not only on the hardware but the software scope. It just seems more like a brick wall on your end that you'd rather not do anything in that department. If you are I do apologize, but it's rarely seen because much of this look and feel is nothing new from when I started and probably like many others. (Except the stability has nosedived.) That and some of your responses have been rather dodgy about coding itself.
I would love to make a donation, but there really has to be a reason at this point, and I would hope all admin would read this too. I know it's a tough job, but consider the frustrations of the user base you have before you get too bloated and literally crumble at the pressure. (At what the hardware seems to be doing right now.)
Work with the community more first before asking for the funds, before getting the new parts, and in the case of coding, get something looked at ASAP.
Problem is AMAZON US doesnt convert money before it takes it out of accounts thus users from other countrys get bank charges... (paypal converts before it charges)
We have no way of sending money, even a few dollars without paying extorsion fees of exchanging currency to dollars THEN posting it...
Ok the hardware is failing but again like the rest of the donation drives they are primarily targeted at US members or those who can afford to pay the high conversion rates from other countries.
http://downloadmoreram.co.uk/
You'd regret that horribly. I've had nothing but problems with them on server hardware.
But using the calculator, it would be around $18,637 a year. :/
That's more people than the other new sites that died ever had.
You're saying the equipment hasn't been changed since 2008?
Hate that.
have people actually asked if FA would become facebook esque before? o-O?
Hell, i wouldnt be surpised if you could ask for parts from the large sites that are probably replaced yearly anyhow. Places like DA and Google probably sell their old stuff anyhow.
My mate got it for me from
I knew that style looked familiar!
Thank you so much! ♥
A friend of mine has clustered three computers this way and created somewhat of a beast of a server. :o
As far as the coding, I've said this above but... can't you at least TRY crowdsourcing it??? I don't know who else handles that kind of thing besides Yak, but one or two people just can't compete with a huge span of eyes doing little bits of improvement here and there that could all be condensed into one awesome thing. Crowdsourcing has been proven extremely effective (Foldit, GNU, etc.) so I don't understand...
I've bashed this site, I've giggled along with some of these comments, I've rallied and rioted, but honestly? This site provides me income, and it's something I always have open if I'm at the computer.
I'd really love to finally see these upgrades-- not in just the hardware, but also in the code. Things we've been promised for years. Things other sites are galaxies ahead of FA on. If something's not working, you don't keep trying it. :| I just feel like a lot of really awesome possibilities are being ignored here because... well, I don't KNOW why.
Yes someone will take a cut but it will be heck of a lot less than the income brought in
If I were running a site such as this, I could just imagine the excitement and joy of having thousands upon thousands of users traveling to and fro across the pages, colaborating and sharing their thoughts and interests in a grand web of community. But I could also feel myself clamoring when something fell apart, that feverish burn on my brow forcing me to utter, "I can fix it, I can save it, I did this myself, I'll keep doing it myself."
There are hundreds of competent people who use this site who can feel its shortcomings, and a small handful of elite staff just isn't enough for the massive hoard of a user base this site has come down to be. If this site needs help, it should focus more on including us for our talents, not just our wallets. We get that it's your site, but it takes its members to make it great.
The concept shows itself to be true in other forms of business. TF2 is still a top played game due to the Workshop Valve released, Facebook is sprawling world-wide because of all the thousands of brilliant minds behind its inner workings, not just a few proud men, It is the unity of community that holds something such as this site together, Right now, it's simply held together because a friend knows a friend that's here. That could just as easily fade user by user if there isn't more done than a few brand new parts.
You've given to the community, now let us give back by helping with more than pennies and dimes.
Brilliant idea, wonderfully phrased. Let's just hope they're heard 'up there'.
Every time someone says something intelligent like this, the admins think up some excuse to reply with. :V
And as much as it frustrates me (see previous posts) due to years of abuse the hardware is failing..
NO, THIS IS A FREE SITE. WHY ARE YOU COMPLAINING.
Check, and, mate.
No but seriously folks, whenever you want to take CODING the site seriously, rather than throw HUGE amounts of money to "improving" the server, let me know and I MAY take you guys more seriously. At this point, throwing hardware at this site isn't going to do jack shit. HAVE FUN THOUGH.
The hardware has taken a beating over the past 5 years...which shouldnt be the case really
When you put hardware, like hard drives, CPU's, RAM, etc. under EXTREME load, from redundant and faulty code, it makes heat. Now, under normal use, server parts can last years. Of course, everything will fail at it's own pace, so you normally don't need large amounts of money AT ONE TIME to fix the server, but when you put it under intense load, all the heat causes failures MUCH faster. They have so many SQL problems per month it's not even funny.
To sum up, UNTIL THIS CODE IS FIXED, NEW HARDWARE WILL JUST FAIL LIKE THE OLD, SO DON'T WASTE YOUR MONEY PLEASE!
Plus as sad as this is to say x.x atleast if its under heavy load for the first month or so, if it fails then they can replease it quickly and still have backup hardware (Since most hardware fails in the first couple of months or years down the line)
No but seriously, I don't think there's much "fixing" the code anymore. Starting from scratch is about the only way to fix it, and we all know that's not gonna happen.
Code needed to be compleatly re written a couple of years back.
They need to rebuild it and sadly pay some poor furry to sit and sort the database for a couple of weeks to get it matching, and fully integrated to a new system.
Heck if they did folders, they could have some sorry chap spending his time removing users from the user list =/ coz srsly the ammount of dead accounts and 5th accounts people have is insane (I admit I have 2, because I watch so many artists and I wanna keep fursuit makers/ crafters seperate) T_T bulk lists are difficult to read through.
Imagine how much redundant and wastefull data that would remove ^-^
Also =O you ever looked at the 3d version of fA its painfull to the eyes
Haha, YES, It's like looking at abstract art. Even worse, it's 90% dead space. Wish they would hire a graphic designer if they ever do (don't) decide to update the UI. [Actually scratch that, Weasyl already has that covered on their site.]
www.newegg.com
and I didn't spot anybody else linking this already.
I still remember that time FA went down for a month and the donations to that were absolutely fucking squandered instead of buying future-proof hardware as was suggested at the time.
If you're begging for money now, it just goes to show how poorly you spent the last lot of money you lot scrounged. So, not a chance in hell, thank you kindly.
Unfortunately, a whole new generation of suckers has emerged.
But server hardware does NOT last forever and we do need to work towards keeping the backbone of the site solid.
You're free to disagree. We could have invested better originally, but we are working on a much smaller budget, and doing things the right way now.
Because believe it or not, there are people on here who does this stuff for a living, and knows what stuff you should get for the best performance-per-dollar.
I mean... You are asking for 1600Mhz RAM for a processor that is capable of running at max 1333Mhz, that's wasted potential and money right there.
Hell, a quick look at newegg shows 4x8GB 1333Mhz ram for as little as $199, compared to your "$496 now $239 only 3 left in stock".
And then we're not even mentioning the fact that AMD is currently offering a cheaper AND better alternative to the CPU in your wishlist.
Also a tip: Admitting that you fucked up with the last donation drive, DURING an active donation drive, is not going to encourage people to donate. In fact it's going to do the opposite :/
And my suggestion from an earlier journal still stands: A page that loads all banners currently in rotation. Sometimes I just want to see all of them, looking for a particular banner. It can literally be a random php page as far as I'm concerned. Super easy to put somewhere, yes?
Now, here's what I suggest: consult some people who know what they're doing with hardware. Shop around, try and get the absolute best you can out of your budget, and make sure it's future-proofed. And while you're at it, I'd suggest re-vamping this laggy, bloated piece-of-shit code you have running - it's absolutely no use saying "oh, the servers are running sluggishly, we need new hardware' when half the problem is the software you're running.
TL;DR: do some research before you throw out on the shiniest hardware, sort your fucking code out - and I'd better not see any of this donation drive working its way into your gallery.
Further, all the donations are done via Amazon -- through giftcards and direct hardware. I will be posting logs of what people donated and what we bought with it, keep it transparent and open. I specifically wanted to force the hardware aspect to remove the idea that we'll NOT be using the donations for anything other than its intended purposes. I know those rumors are out there, hence why I did it the way I did.
And come on, 'Neer. The code has been a problem for a lot longer than the hardware ever has been and yet you're quite happy to throw out and say 'OK, we need to upgrade the server rack again - please send us all your emone so we can have some nice triple-redundant systems that we'll still be running the same shitty code we've had for years. Hope you guys don't mind waiting minutes on end for your subs to load up on this blazing-fast configuration!'.
Talk to the community. Get some advice, bring people on board to give you a second opinion and some help with the issues that need sorting out. I'm personally quite happy to have FA down for a week or two if it benefits the site in the long run.
literally the only people left donating are a few hold-out suckers with money to burn.
Another good way to look at this is as if you started a kickstarter for a game with no demo video, no screenshots, no graphics, no character models, etc. and tried convincing people to donate on a description of the game.
There better web pages where could donate i know will be well used...
Inkbunny. Needs the money much more than this... Furry webpage
Where i donate them?
EP3 will come out before then.
I really want to help FA. For as much as I complain and hate upon this site and its administration sometimes for poor choices, for failure to keep promises, I want it to get better and stay afloat. I WANT this to be a good site because I love the community and the chance to meet people and draw things that I never got anywhere else - not even from other furry art sites.
However, I've heard the past things. I've seen some. I've seen all the broken promises. I've seen all the rule bending and favoritism. I've seen all the lies. IT keeps me from wanting to help because how so I know fixing one issue on the site will help when all the others won't? I want to keep it working, I want it to get better. I want to support it, because I like it. But I am disappointed with it. I feel that FA often does not care, and has doesn't want to improve, or the thing is so poorly made with excuses. What proof do we have the donated money will go to buy parts? Even if we keep the site working, what is to say it's going to improve? I want to give back, but I also want to feel like it means something. Not just keeping the site afloat in this kinda limbo, but better as a site as a whole. And I feel it's never been getting closer to that, even with all the "promised" deadlines, additional help, etc etc. It's just hard to decide if I really want to put $50 aside to help out if I don't know this site will improve itself after it can keep running.
I understand being disappointed. I REALLY do. IT sucks that this site has so many problems. It sucks that they admins ignore things a lot of times, and that promised updated don't come. I normally am the one to bring it up, or hate on them. But I still want FA to exist. I still want it to get better. I totally understand people not wanting to donate, as I am torn, myself. But that is zero reason to try to stop people from helping. It is a dick move. It's like if you're like "should I buy from artist X or not?" and someone pops in with "WHY DON'T YOU BUY FROM ARTIST Y BECAUSE THEY HAVE FINANCIAL ISSUES?" I wasn't asking about user Y, and I don't care about them. I'm thinking about X or no X.
Even polite, the idea was the same. It was "don't support FA, because you should spend your money better" with a bitter feeling towards FA and implying that I'm wasting my money. I hate that shit. I hate it when people try to seem "better" by "offering" better things to spend your money on. I give a lot of time and money to charity, and I don't appreciate being treated like I have "better" things to spend it on. No matter how well worded and sweet it came off, the idea is the same. And either way it's unacceptable and I cannot stand people like that.
But thank you. I mean, yes FA has issues. A LOT of issues. But it's still a really nice place, and people telling others not to help will destroy it. It's better to have an FA with all its kinks and issues than no FA at all. And people here are too dense to understand that. I mean, they haven't left it, yet. Even if they hate it, they acknowledge it's the best option. Destroying the best option won't help anyone at all. Hooray, they won their "war" against FA, now what? Now the biggest social furry site is gone? Congratulations, it doesn't help anyone. It does nothing but cause a lot of it to fall apart.
Well, my thoughts on this are simple, hope ya get the new hardware and keep FA running!
i've enjoyed my 4 [almost 5] years here and I haven't had a single problem with the website during that time.
i mean yeah, drama, but to someone who ignores drama, my stay here has been great.
hope you guys keep going 8D!
But anyway, I'm glad to donate to FA. I usually can't because I don't use PayPal. So this worked for me.
I have gotten a lot out of FA over the years. You guys get beaten on so much to bring me my furry porn. Just looking over a few of the comments people who have put up on just this journal, it just sickens me how these entitled people bash on volunteers who are going out of their way... and I mean SERIOUSLY OUT OF THEIR WAY WITH LARGE AMOUNTS OF TIME, MONEY, AND EFFORT... to provide this enormous free service. And they respond by kicking these volunteers in the teeth. Repeatedly. Rabidly.
Thank you again for putting up with it on my behalf and everyone else that benefits from your site.
Besides... I like the idea of a hard drive I purchased being used to convey furry porn to the masses repeatedly for years. This is a good use of my money.
KAY. GUYS. yeah, the current coding might need to go, but its still getting the job done. maybe not as well as it should, but the site is usable. honestly, i dont care how "modern" a site looks, that just adds more load on my machine trying to load up all the fancy shit that really adds nothing to the site.
sure, FA might use a lot of squares, but what of it? if you dont like how it looks, migrate elsewhere.
if the problems are serious enough that you feel like you need to constantly be complaining about them, then perhaps its time you try another site if you feel as though they'll never, ever be fixed.
otherwise, nut up and shut up.
as far as hardware, yeah. after 5 years of running basically non-stop at at least 40-60 degrees, a processor is probably gonna start to show its age. hard drives too.
i know it might seem like a lot to ask for, but a little rationality would go a long way.
What good is prioritising server hardware when you're still running the same laggy, bloated, unsafe code? You could have the best rack on the market - without updating the software that runs on it, you may as well be hosting FA on a toaster.
Because said server(s) is starting to fail.
Efficient code is as useless as bloated code if the server is dead.
ok, yeah. the server is in bad condition because of the bad code and extended use.
but.. how are they supposed to even start work on the better code if the server that runs it is dead?
it may not be the first time they claimed 'updates', but come on. be patient. or at least try.
the site obviously functions well enough for you to have gotten here and repond to my comment. just live with it and cope until the needed updates are effectuated.
if you think theyre doing something incredibly wrong and you know a lot better, go start up your own art site.
However, you might want to think about a service you've received for free. You didn't have to pay for anything you know.
Yes, some of the systems of this site are a little out of date, but it's still functional, is it not? (and it was written a long time ago. Relaunching a website is nowhere near as easy as you think, the whole thing practically is a time bomb waiting to happen) and it gives you lot a place to socialize with each other. I'm not saying you owe anyone anything but you should think a little about what you're saying when you're saying it about something you didn't have to sink money into if you didn't want to. Even now, there's a choice. You don't have to pay. It's a choice.
And whenever somebody complains about a product or service that they got handed to them for the whopping cost of zero dollars I don't really feel like they have all that much room to complain. Unless you've invested something, you have no ground to stand on. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M5QGkOGZubQ
Okay.
What.
I am sorry that I lack the money to help, but I will contact any friends who have hardware similar and see if it can work within your specs; maybe we can send you some ddr 8 gb 1600 ramsticks or such in lieu of $$$
I bet he actually wants to mine bitcoin.
But seriously though - learn programming before you mooch from the users, you don't have a leg to stand on.
I'm already poor as it is so I won't bother. Donated twice in the past, feel violated for all the shenanigans over the years be it direct or indirectly his fault.
Badum-chi~
You think it is easy to completely modernise a site, that has ten million submissions, a extremely large amount of members, piles of journals, notes, and many other scraps left around?
You think its easy to shuffle that data around, trying to reform the site, all the while the pile just keeps getting bigger and bigger?
Thats like saying its easy to carry a rather large stack of english dictionaries, all the while having 5 more added to said stack, every 5 seconds.
Jesus people, take a moment from your furry-mob, and take a look at the bigger picture.
And while your at it, give them what they need to improve this site, and keep your precious porn safe and sound.
DA, IB, Weasyl, so on so forth.
The hardware isn't what they need
They need to fix the coding, so it doesn't destroy the hardware. And then, when its all going smoothly, then buy better hardware.
It's that simple.
> Its that simple
> that simple
> simple
> simple
Ahhhhh, that slaps me on the knee.....
People who are great at it.
They won't accept help.
Coding, for one site, shouldn't take 5+ years for a LITTLE progress.
It's not that hard, you just need to be the right person to do it.
People have different skills, just because it's difficult for you, doesn't make it that way for the people that have tried and keep trying to help.
> Misses the point entirely
Nox, you forget the giant pile of things that just keep stacking up. You speak of it as if it is easy, and is fast. Coding, is NOT fast, nor even relativly easy. The pros on here, would probably take just as long as the people who are keeping this site running.
What you also forget, is that FA has been like people trying to build a house next to a moving boat. By the time they are half-way done, the boat is already halfway down the river, and they have to chase after it, and start building again. The reason things here are so ancient, is because its kinda HARD to keep up with growing demands, all the while keeping the site running while more and more files are uploaded daily.
You also forget that the newer sites look better, because they are NEW. I guarentee you, they will not keep ' Updating ' their look. Go forward 5 years, and they will probably be in the same ' Predicament ' as FA currently, and newer better looking sites will probably have popped up in their place. And the funny thing will be that FA will still be here, and most likely still on top!
You also, final point here, forget that hardware decays, whether or not the coding is old or new! The current stuff has been in there for some time, running 24/7, constantly under stress and wear! They need new stuff to keep the site running, new coding or not!
You done?
So please, keep from putting words in my mouth.
Yes it is hard for them to keep up with growing demands. They need to fix that then or step aside and let someone else help.
OR hell, even hand over the reigns, or make it possible for actual income. It doesn't have to be anything big, even gathering artists, and holding an auction or something to help fa out would be brilliant, but they don't. I know plenty of artists who would rather put in time, then money into a way to help FA, including myself.
All i want is FA, working properly. I don't like their "updated site" and i'd prefer if they'd just fix what was messed up.
I believe in don't fix what isn't broken. Their code is broken, the site itself is not. I love FA but it's run so poorly in more than the technical way.
they've had people offer their services for free, and they decline. The could rally their help and have it taken care of so it's not an issue. No where did i mention new sites, or anything like that. I love FA, i make my living off FA, i'd rather it not sink.
Yeah stuff wears down, but having terrible coding, like they do, kills it off even faster. They don't acknowledge their coding has flaws, this is the issue. Not accepting help from their user base when they give the site to us. We can't give back, because they don't want what it really needs, they have too much pride in doing it themselves.
I didn't jab at you, you just said it wasn't easy. Well obviously you're not the right person for the job, there are coders that can do it in a breeze, but the people running FA declined that help.
Nice try at trying to be a smart ass though. Really.
Obviously you missed my point.
Yeah, i'm done, because you're too much of a prick to share an -OPINION- with, unlike some of the other people on here.
If you can't be civil about it, there's no sense in debating.
If I understand you, your point is that they should devote all their focus (time and effort) into fixing broken, and messy code sections (no one can say the whole thing is broken), yes?
In a manner I agree with you, however experience informs me that it's not so simple. Having a large number of coders working on a single project is generally what creates messy and wasteful (or downright broken or vulnerable) code, simply because there's little to no cohesion. Every section being coded has to be designed, down to it's specific IO and how the /whole/ interacts, before any coding can begin what so ever. At this point, it is best to have a (or multiple, depending on number of staff) side project, one being designed and one being coded. At that point, you are splitting the site's coding into segments, and updating them one by one, as it's simply the most efficient way about doing it.
The above is also the reason that the free services offered are declined more often than not, as people "helping" can often create more problems than it solves. Admittedly, there are undoubtedly countless people on this site who could (and would) code a vulnerability-"free" (or acceptably close) commissions page, but how long is that going to be compatible with the site as a whole? Yes, open source projects work, however they require a dedicated effort by designers, and a full group of people who work towards the same goal - just on this page alone, I would be wary (if not down-right scared) of accepting outside "help".
Could they (the admin and staff) be focusing better on "cleaning" code? Possibly. Would it be the best way they spent their time? Maybe not, depending on how much of the sites code future updates replace.
Have they done fantastically so far? I personally, don't think it's the best they could have done, but considering it's not a paying job (and thus, a hobby) I personally feel they have the right to make mistakes, so long as they learn from them.
Personally, I would like to see something of a progress overview page - simply something telling us what they're working on, what they're hoping it will achieve, how much is done and who's working on it. But then again, the effort that it takes to make that page is undoubtedly better spent on the site.
Have a nice night;
Kae.
I'm not actually familiar with FA's current hardware use, but those machines are pretty out of date (same for the wikifur article)
I guess it is easy to accept that the site is up when you type that URL and think that somehow hardware, hosting, code updates all come free - like manna from heaven. I'm disgusted by some of the displays I've seen on the hardware donation thread but rest assured that not everyone feels this way.
Thank you so much for keeping the site running despite the many undeserved slaps to the face. May FA live on for years to come still.
I'm usually wary of deploying these types drives in to situations where I'm infrequently physically accessing, which was pretty stupid of me when I put 3 of them in a NAS box at a remote office mid-2012 and had 1 fail within a few months and 2nd failure before I was able to get a replacement on site.
I was gonna quote out that SYS-6027R-WRF from my vendor, but I see it was taken off. My undiscounted price on that one is $1,339 and I could likely get free shipping if my sales rep hasn't been laid off yet (inter-state consolidation, whee ). I love my SYS-6026T-6RFT+, even though I'm never gonna need 10Gbe. x3
And meh at the complainers, the site actually works, except for a few minor issues, and the admins do seem to finally interested in trying to do something about stuff again.
Two of these babies will get the job done.
"a coder" - if a single person is working all the code for FA, then they are doing a freaking fantastic job of it, considering it's likely a hobby. More likely they have one, likely two small teams split between various projects (which actually helps productivity - page search for my name if you're curious, I've already written a big post on it). In addition to this, $500 would hire a decent coder for a day, and that's if they're feeling generous. A site like this would take months to develop with a team, let alone a single programmer. In reality, it would likely take a day or more simply to understand the overall picture of how this site runs, let along the delicate complexities of the ins and outs of the data flow.
I've no desire to protect or defend the FA staff and admins, if someone makes a mistake I see no reason to protect them, however they do offer a fantastic site and a large amount of the criticism against their code comes from people who have no idea how coding works, and think it's simply an hour or two's work and voila, the site's all good again.
Have a nice night;
Kae.
"Common knowledge" is an interesting and questionable thing, especially when it comes to its source.
Slinging around insulting names isn't exactly a progressive state of being either. The goal of this particular journal is garnering donations for better hardware, and it seems that those who wish to give are giving. So airing your grievances here about staff behavior isn't going to really solve things. I would say that if you personally, or someone you know, have been wronged by a staff member, then the it would be more productive to either find where you can bring up what happened and have it properly reviewed, or at least have a good method for reforming the way that improper staff conduct is reported and handled so it can be suggested as they make changes to the site.
As for me, it's my hope that the next or concurrent step will be the UI and site overhaul as that has been highly anticipated for years and is quite needed and it would be much better to have a new coded site on new, shiny equipment rather than burdening it with the old and less modernized code. I hope that things are getting done, I hope that things will improve, I'm glad that there are those who can support this site as it has been a boon to a good number of artists over the years it has existed.
Have a nice day;
Kae.
>Just posting because, well so many people on this page seem to be saying the same thing, but you
>seem to be one of the few with a logical reasoning behind it. I am, of course, referring to the coding
>drama.
>If I understand you, your point is that they should devote all their focus (time and effort) into fixing
>broken, and messy code sections (no one can say the whole thing is broken), yes?
Damn right.
>In a manner I agree with you, however experience informs me that it's not so simple.
No, your wrong.
>Having a large
>number of coders working on a single project is generally what creates messy and wasteful (or
>downright broken or vulnerable) code, simply because there's little to no cohesion.
That's why you get one dedicated person to work on it, not someone who doesn't do jack shit to manage the code.
>Every section being
>coded has to be designed, down to it's specific IO and how the /whole/ interacts, before any coding can
>begin what so ever.
Yep. Start from scratch.
>At this point, it is best to have a (or multiple, depending on number of staff) side
>project, one being designed and one being coded. At that point, you are splitting the site's coding into
>segments, and updating them one by one, as it's simply the most efficient way about doing it.
>The above is also the reason that the free services offered are declined more often than not, as
>people "helping" can often create more problems than it solves. Admittedly, there are undoubtedly
>countless people on this site who could (and would) code a vulnerability-"free" (or acceptably close)
>commissions page, but how long is that going to be compatible with the site as a whole? Yes, open
>source projects work, however they require a dedicated effort by designers, and a full group of people
>who work towards the same goal - just on this page alone, I would be wary (if not down-right scared) of
>accepting outside "help".
Not at all. Various people submit revisions, and the main developer checks the changes, and decides whether it can be implemented into the site. I know for a fact that the people who offered help would help revise the code.
>Could they (the admin and staff) be focusing better on "cleaning" code? Possibly. Would it be the best
>way they spent their time? Maybe not, depending on how much of the sites code future updates
>replace.
No, at this point, it should be done from scratch. Even if a group of people did work together to get things done (and even if that group didn't have a head developer assigning code segments, and explaining how to tie them together correctly.) it would look better than what we have now.
>Have they done fantastically so far? I personally, don't think it's the best they could have done, but
>considering it's not a paying job (and thus, a hobby) I personally feel they have the right to make
>mistakes, so long as they learn from them.
Yes, but at the same time, BUGS SHOULD BE FIXED WHEN FOUND, NOT JUST WAIT UNTIL SOMEONE EXPLOITS IT TO FIX IT. Even if sites are free, that doesn't give them the excuse to be lazy about code. MANY people rely on commissions here and that could put their accounts at steak. ESPECIALLY with a group of people this large. Even the programs I've built as a hobby, if someone reports a bug, I don't just say, blegh, I'm not gonna fix it, I'll be lazy cause it's not a big deal. I usually go right into the code and fix it! Why? Because it's professional, I don't want to present sloppy code to the public, it makes you look bad as a programmer. Let me say that again "I don't want to present sloppy code to the public, it makes you look bad as a programmer." It's true.
>Personally, I would like to see something of a progress overview page - simply something telling us what they're working on, what they're hoping it
>will achieve, how much is done and who's working on it. But then again, the effort that it takes to make that page is undoubtedly better spent on
>the site.
A bug manager/status page would be a great first step. That's what Weasyl did when they started.
>Have a nice night;
>Kae.
Whatever.
On the whole starting from scratch, I'm actually inclined to agree. The whole team aught to sit down and design a whole new back end (there's precious little wrong with the front end, I personally think it works rather well), and design it not only for what is needed now, but so that it's modular in nature (easy to upgrade in future? Check). The scary part is how few programmers can sit down and design a functioning website (despite the fact a large portion of it is simple DB stuff), this combined with the likely time it would take with "nothing" (subjective to experience, I know and it sounds like you know that a plan is worth a hundred-fold more than code) to show for it is likely a scary prospect. Ideally, if the site was designed well in the first place (read: if it was a professional job at the time, which we all know it wasn't) it would be a simple matter of migrating acceptable code, a few minor adjustments (mainly in variables) and re coding the main handling, and the site would be better than new. And presenting sloppy code to the public, while it's the main way to learn, does require fixing, I've never argued there :)
In my eyes, if the FA team could lay out a basic design, then we could get people helping, but to be (scarily) honest - I'm not sure there is one.
Have a nice night;
Kae.
I will request how ever that if you change the the comment faces example " " into furry faces I've heard a few people mention it and I think it's a pretty good idea. If not that's okay
It upsets me because, why would anyone be a Furry if they didn't want to be? Why would anyone stick around a fandom they can't stand? If you don't like it... then just do the rest of us a favor and just GTFO. There's the door... please use it. No one is asking you stay.
using "you" in the proverbial since of course.
Our Fandom is strong and I believe we can overcome anything. So thanks Fender and to all those who keep this site running.
So the best thing I can do is give emotional support....... Yeah! T_T
Why is the gift cards for server upgrades? It's sounds bit nonsense :S
I see a brutal processor, and common -every day- used rams and some other stuff but where is the motherboard? -As i know better LGA2011 has been released in November 2011.- FA is recently running on 2007-2008 manufactured hardwares? But i don't see the complete part list just a simple "minor" upgrade.... :S
WD is really great choose for data containing, but why is for 300Gb Seagate? (I was working in factories many times and i know how trash they are, as Samsung HDDs nowadays. I give it half or a year before repair again.) Can i suggest something SSD instead them? (If this hardware is going to be a part of FA Servers)
There is many other project that i am waiting for a life... Where is the Ferrox project? And i can't believe that there is no time to work on things like this project :(
http://i234.photobucket.com/albums/.....ps349cd1ce.png
From 2007 i see continuously patched and half repaired site made from tables, and default css. There is InkBunny and now Weasyl... I know they have no big member base that FA has (because everyone knows FA) but they can build a working community, based on modern environment.
If you admins have no time to deal the site itself, -only replacing hardwares- I Believe here is a lot of other, talented programmer and designer that happily would help on this site. And not for patching the web 1.0.
Sorry. I know -maybe- i don't see into background because there is a brick wall but... I couldn't keep inside this long, I needed to write out.
Ferrox project is dead. GIVE UP.
FA never dies anyway. When people try to go to another site, they realize they don't get the attention they did on FA and scurry back after a few weeks.
http://www.amazon.com/Supermicro-Su.....=IO6V5Y7IS4FN2
And Seagate's server drives are NOT the same as their desktop lines. They're more reliable,a nd we're making sure we have time to get hotspares.
Personally I'd love to see a new codebase before a new UI, but to be honest it just isn't going to happen.
I can agree with the horrible tables on the site, I've never been exactly sure why they have been left like that for so long, but since we have a new UI coming "soon" we should finally be rid of them.
But in all honesty, the fact that every person that is against FA is bashing the people that are trying to help it. That's pathetic, and low. If they want to help FA in the way they are asked, why in the heck are you going to try to get in the way of them? Do you feel like you are a dictator telling us what we should and shouldn't do?
Let the people that want to help, help. If you don't like it, then don't complain and keep your mouth shut and let them do what they wish to. Is that so hard?
And I had a legit reason for it. Someone tells me I should "spend my money better" is being an ass, I'm sorry. You can advise me reasons not to, but to imply I'm "wasting my money" by supporting something I want to support, that's pretty dickish and uncalled for. I admit, I was very rude and it probably was immature of me. But I hate that more than anything.
I understand both sides, and I'm pretty torn as well. But I do not appreciate people talking down to other people for wanting to support the site. If that person doesn't want to, cool! I totally can sympathize on why they don't want to. But to act like I'm wasting my money for wanting to support something? It's no better than people who go around bashing those who buy adoptables or commission art. It's you telling someone else what to do with their money, and making it out like you're "helping" them out, all the while being condescending and bitter.
justsaiyan
I am talking about the people that complain and get mad at the supporters of FA.
Just sayin'.
Do you think FA's userbase is shrinking or growing at the moment?
That's what I thought.
Are you guys sure about those Seagate drives? They're too cheap to be true...
Wouldn't Velociraptors do a good job too?
I don't trust Seagate... They're failed so many times on me...
http://i47.tinypic.com/6fo8hx.jpg
I would like to state for the record that not only does the site not look like this now, but I think with that amount of money the site internals should be running a little better as well. So, before anyone donates in order to score brownie points with Princess Pic he, would one of the admins like to explain why we were lied to? I eagerly await question dodging administrators and white knights who know nothing of the situation and just want a place to masturbate. You may begin.
2013 - 5 = 2008
Now here's where it gets crazy! The 16000 dollars were raised the next year, in 2009. Yet Summercat says that this site has been running on the same servers since 2008. Using elementary reasoning, this means that OUT OF THE SIXTEEN THOUSAND DOLLARS RAISED NOT A SINGLE PENNY WENT TOWARDS HARDWARE.
For those of you morons crying drama, this has just transformed into embezzlement.
Finally a really good critical question is asked.
Failing, ever failing on that life support.
I think a lot more people would be happy to buy you new equipment if there was at least SOME KIND of attempt at improving the code. Something.
Anything.
But nope, naw. Nope.
It's no way to remember someone who passed away
I'm not a ICT-er myself just a heavy gamer whit his own working host/server rig,and money to spend.
currently it runs simply game servers on there but quite a few of them,i like the ocz Revodrive 3 SSD allot,atm using the 2x - 480gb pic-E x4
between the ssd and ram i use i haven't ran into single time i used more then 30% of the ssd as buffer,since i upgraded it from a 1x 240gb revodrive 3
here is some more info for the admins/geeks abbout the ocz revodrive 3
http://www.ocztechnology.com/ocz-re.....press-ssd.html