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Greetings, citizens of the realm!
It's been a few months since our last AUP update, and we're planning some small fixes to wording and to try to make things clearer, more transparent. We're asking for feedback on the forums. Do you think wording can be improved? Do you think a policy is confusing, or not detailed enough? Let us know!
Leave your feedback on the link below:
http://forums.furaffinity.net/threa.....AUP-Discussion
Please keep feedback and commentary civil!
It's been a few months since our last AUP update, and we're planning some small fixes to wording and to try to make things clearer, more transparent. We're asking for feedback on the forums. Do you think wording can be improved? Do you think a policy is confusing, or not detailed enough? Let us know!
Leave your feedback on the link below:
http://forums.furaffinity.net/threa.....AUP-Discussion
Please keep feedback and commentary civil!
Im from an area that says "Lame Man's" because thats what it sounds like to us *shrugs*
Expecting users to track down homophones and idioms that may be localized to the AUP's author would be silly.
(Kidding, kidding)
In Louisiana, if it has the letter 'y' in the middle of it, we never pronounce it as such, also, in some parts, the "th-" isnt even pronounced...it gets replaced with the letter "d"
As far as big fancy words go? Think of a word or a phrase and type "Define: [word/phrase]" into Google.
This should come up;
http://i48.tinypic.com/10zmhaf.png
So not only can you now understand what FA is saying in their AUP, but you've expanded your vocabulary, and FA can use their fancy legal terms. Yay!
I've rarely seen a forum so overregulated and outright hostile like FAF. But it fits well into the general management of FA. There's a reason I've taken most of my activity elsewhere, and only keep my acc here for contact to a few artists...
inkbunny
deviantart
furbuy
dealers den
rabbit valley
furplanet
wikifur
there you go tons of other places to contact your favorite art sellers that are not fa
its never smart to put all your eggs in one basket so to speak
especially if that basket is full of crazy motherfuckers
Some are just more crazy than others.
and anti-spam ... something.
Since...there...is already/always been a way to block users...xD
On a side note, I do think they should install a feature like that.
lemme guess though it only blocks them from commenting on your own suff/page.
thats not what we needs.
we needs block filter.
Yep. We need a tag filter. We've needed it for years and we still need it.
or tags it right
or that fa even supports tags
oh wait thats weasyl and inkbunny wrong site!
No one bothers to tag them properly over here since they know a tag filtering system is most likely never going to come.
inkbunny is in a bad state and completely rebuilding their site right now because they did tags wrong on the first try
unless you are google or some other huge company you dont have the kind of money you need to solve the problem adequately and provide what furry fandom really needs
This is my first time hearing about that...o ^ o
because of that they are having to completely re engineer how they handle tags so that filtering doesnt make page loads take forever
when you have over 10 thousand possible tags for 3 million images thats over 30 billion possible combinations for a database to sort through so it takes making a more efficient hierarchy for filtering than what they used to have
the ability to sort and search on tags is one thing but filtering requires a completely different strategy so they are rebuilding the backend of their system
I see... xD
and there is a lot of administration necessary otherwise you have 500 euphemisms for penis being used and when someone is looking for 'trouser snake' they might only get 2 or 3 results so admins/mods have to find all of those synonyms and link them back to penis
the subject of tagging is actually incredibly complex and part of what ive spent my college study and research on
if fa cant even implement folders then tags are way out of their league
Good point BTW.
-snicker- Trouser Snake...
...would require the key-word filter to check the description field though instead of just tags
If..that's...what you mean??
But eitherway. No matter how perfect the tagging system or how specific you block the tags-- things will always slip thru the cracks every now and then. :V
Right now though they're the rule thanks to the 1% trustfunders with more money than sense
...which doesn't prevent that people could still view your profile page / submissions / other stuff and could still annoy you by watch and unwatching you over and over again.
I also know for a fact that you can still view their work/journals/ect.
Especially the latter, since you only get a notification that someone unnamed watched you but unwatched you immediately. It's like finding the stones which were thrown through your windows, but you couldn't get the time to look and goof out who had thrown them. I already know the answer when you send a trouble ticket "Someone is watching me on and off again, but damn I don't know the name of him/her/it".
Zaytonday and Saggy2dope I believe their names were, they had both watched and unwatched me and spammed my account with racist and degrading words.
They both ended up getting suspended once I filed a TT against them, and the watching and unwatching stopped, thus proving it was them.
This can be a difficult one to pin down though, as most of the time, the actions only stop after you have reported the user.
The problem is that you need to have names of persons to get the mods in motion and that's the whole thing why abusing the watchsystem to annoy someone is so lucrative.
I think it would be better that the current watch system gets replaced with a system where both watcher and 'subject' needs to opt for a watch and when people could opt to prevent a watch from each.
BUT, I do agree with your Idea and that it would most likely lessen the watch/unwatch issue.
Admins don't accept screencaps as "proof" of something, so good luck with that even if you do manage to cap it. Just throwin that out there.
I'd think Admins could look at watch activity on a user's account, but of that I'm not sure.
As in, if you're blocked by someone, you will no longer be able to fav their submissions, and you should also no longer be able to +watch them.
In any case there's a reason someone has blocked you, not only because they don't like you. You've done something to make them not want to have anything to do with you, and being able to watch them or fav their art would defeat the purpose of blocking-not to have to be bothered by them for whatever reason.
For example, say it's a troll. They annoy you to the point of blocking. If they could fav/watch, they could unwatch/unfav and fav/watch again. Which would still be an annoyance.
You don't have to fav/comment to like art.
Along with what
but overall, I think the aup is fine as is
Certainly not to look proper, because it looks awkward as Hell
I wonder how big the market for male bras will become in the future.
Thank you med term
there's a list of known/suspected causes here: http://www.medicinenet.com/gynecoma.....ia/article.htm
I've never actually read up on gynecomastia, so this article will prove to be an interesting read, if nothing else.
FurAffinity's AUP is terrible.
but consider this. every erogenous zone on the human body is usually a spot with a lot of nerve endings... and the nipples (male or female) have a lot of em. so, again, i reiterate, if you think nipples can not be sexual, you're doing something wrong. (try playing with em next time you fap/schlick.)
one thing that I've been continually trying to bring up with the admins is that FA needs a mature/adult avatar system like on sofurry and furocity, where you have a pool of avatars that the site cycles through randomly, some of those avatars are marked mature or adult and the people that don't want to see the mature/adult avatars can check a box in the site settings that hides the mature/adult avatars but not the clean ones. but every time I bring this up with the admins they always immediately shoot it down without any consideration.
I wish there was a way to filter the way you watch someone... like I love your art but I don't want to see your porn so I don't check that box but I can still see blue borders and red borders from another artist. I don't like the universal safe viewing thing....
I got my whole uploads wiped for being SS (posing furry characters in nice landscape settings in a game engine, which took quite some work, with retouching etc), but crappy SecondLife or Minecraft stills are permitted.
Perhaps FA should take a look at SoFurry's AUP.. or management style. They might learn quite a lot from that.
LMFAO
For EVERYONE
Best way would be:
Clear Language Section:
Don't do this, that or the other.
Lawyer Bull Section:
In the party of the first part verily and with malice aforethought and oh dear I've gone crosseyed.
--
(jams brain back in ear) No escape for you, squishy. Anyway, post a clear 'actual language' version of each section that can be referred to by normal furs without 97 tabs open in Wikipedia, and the lawyery fluff and dung that's ten times as long underneath. Clearly define things (frex: the Sonic OC thing) preferably with examples.
YOU GET PAYED FOR COMMENTING AND WATCHING ALSO FAVS!!
£20.00 for each comment posted
£40.00 for fav a submission
£60.00 for watching
Yep we all be rich as this FA income top up our work wages easily
Anyway anyone fancy early retirement ? LOL!
It was horrible."
(sorry, I can't smile past about that much)
((/had to))
Why bother sending us to the forums to write things when here has the same and more convenient facilities
or adding to the summary "all your art is now property of FA and we will fap to it as discretion dictates when the site goes offline and save it to our computers and upload it to e621.net and a filesharing server to share with all our fap happy friends, thank you and you are now screwed "
Wording isn't where the rubber hits the road. I've done admin'ing, I've seen why that exists.... and I know how necessary they think that little extra power is because "it's tooooo hard to anticipate everything". ...yeah uhuh... I didn't agree with it even as an admin. If you couldn't anticipate it, then you've got no right to punish anyone for it and should have to go through the process on getting it clarified on the books before justifying the slippery slope doctrine.
Absolutely THIS
You win one internet for this.
Also for those who create things to sell that use charms. I know someone who was told to remove pictures because she could not find the original manufacturer for BULK CHARMS MADE IN CHINA because someone who didnt like her filled in a TT. Same with moulds purchased and used from etsy. - Thats like saying you need to get permission from the manufacturer of fur NOT the store that sells it. Because most fur shops buy their fur in =/
Stating
Plus its useful to study their bone structure and how fur actually is. Celebrating the beauty of animals is part of being a furry. You celebrate them and their beauty in life and death. As a full circle
Stating that taxidermists are hunters is a very naieve argument.
.
If YOU personally dislike it, that's fine, but that doesn't make some not a furry for enjoying it as their preferred form of art.
I don't personally enjoy taxidermy at all, but I can appreciate that it is about more than just hanging a head on a wall.
Taxidermist love animals and majority of them find their pelts from road kill or for those that were hunted legally.
Hunting is not wrong the only thing that is frowned upon is hunting for sport and poaching.
I enjoy suiting and the art.
But I need to feed my family.
If you do not like seeing Taxidermy then don't follow folks who post it, and don't click on the submission that contain it.
As someone who works with bones as their form of art, I am offended when people think that I am not an animal lover because of it.
If the bones I use were not collected, they would rot in a landfill rather then being lovingly preserved and turned into beautiful art for peoples homes.
They are left overs from the food industry, and would go to waste if not for me and other artists.
I believe tax has more then its place here.
As it is a respectful way of preserving a creature in its natural beauty.
But that does not mean it does not have its place.
Everyone has different views on art within the fandom, but that does not make one better then another.
I am an eclectic Unitarian Universality with shamanistic beliefs.
Native Americans respected animals and nature deeply, and celebrated the fact that the animals contribute their life-force to sustain the natural balance. Taxidermy and bones had a highly important magikal and religious place in their communities, as a way to pay tribute to the animals that gave their lives to feed the village or tribe. They believe if you wasted a part of the animal, you insulted the spirits of that animal that passed. Animals die every day by the law of predator and prey, and humans lie on top of that food chain.
Although I do agree that I dislike the hunting animals solely for their pelts and bones, and wasting the rest of the body, hunting has it's place controlling animal populations and therefore prevents the animals from suffering a slow death from disease and starvation. As stated above, road kill and natural deaths are common sources for taxidermy furs.
So like said by many, many people before me, It is not anti-furry to have taxidermy, hunt, or eat meat. It is a personal belief, just like religion and politics, there is no "right" way to live life. It is up to the individual.
And as Azurus, I dislike furry porn, but I know it is just a personal taste and it is the individuals choice to make or look at that.
Taxidermy is still a form of art--just like anything else on this site. It expresses the artist, and it takes skill and time to produce. Like the difference between digital art, watercolor, and sculpture, everyone has their preferences.
Though to support this more:
Does the fact I eat meat make me or anyone else here that does, less of a furry or animal lover? Simple answer: No.
and even though I am a furry I eat animals :V
problem?
I fish, I have processed animals for food, and I hope to start hunting this year. A variety of food sources is important to me, and I believe in sustainable agriculture. If I had a farm, I would be raising most of my own meat animals and probably processing all the smaller ones myself. I know that legal, careful sport hunting of white rhinos no longer in their prime has increased the population in South Africa, and I fully support that and all the way it helps both the species and the people who live in the region(which encourages them to protect the species as a renewable resource). I have no problems with trappers either. So long as everything is by the book and legal, and fish and game wardens are doing their job correctly, hunting, fishing, and trapping keeps us closer to nature in my opinion, allows us to respect our food sources instead of just putting it all out of mind because we shop for it instead.
I do have problems with poachers and those who leave carcasses and meat. I have a problem with states that allow 'donations' of game meat to homeless shelters only to destroy it because they can't legally use it instead of turning it away to be used elsewhere.
Beyond meat, taxidermy is just one more use for the animal who is hunted, though not all taxidermy comes from hunted animals.
Now, as for what you said about hunting animals, and being on a furry site, let me remind you: Predators are a part of nature, and since the furry fandom reflects what we see in Nature, isn't it natural for there to be a few predators in the fandom as well? I mean, yeah, I'm a hunter, but that doesn't mean I'm against animals. I love animals, and have great respect for them. I only take from Nature what I need to survive, and that's it. No hunting for trophies, no pleasure killing. I hunt deer, eat the meat, and then use the pelt and bones. And if I can't use them, I pass them along to someone who can. I don't see that as hating nature, I see that as just part of Nature. If anything, I'm actually going beyond Nature in the fact that I do what I can to make sure the animal's memory stays alive beyond their death.
We shouldn't dig up dinosaur bones! we should be burying them.
I'm sorry, I just dislike it when people just assume things. If you hate it, don't look at it. Taxidermy is an art form. You have to know anatomy, sculpting, carving, and other skills used in art to make it, so it's art. :P
How is it going against being a furry? I mean, I'm a furry, and I collect taxidermy stuff.
Not everyone hunts animals JUST for taxidermy. In fact, a good majority of people who post such things on here get them from second-hand sources, or the animal died of natural causes. It's upcycling. Instead of letting an animal go to waste, it's (most of the time) respecting a creature and getting to know more about it first-hand. Granted, it's more convenient for some to visit an animal sanctuary where they can volunteer and pet animals, but for others it's not as easy.
TL;DR : don't go bashing something that you know nothing about. Learn about it decently first, then bash it if you want. X3
Now, it would be one thing if you said you hate taxidermy. That there is an opinion.
However, you go on to ask why people who hunt are on a furry site.
Now this is where your opinion seems uneducated and more like you're making it seem like people who hunt hate animals.
There's nothing wrong with an opinion. It's when you make it seem more like a fact you've crossed the line.
everyone who commented seems to like dead animals. I guess necrophillia is in this season?
Shhh be vewy vewy quiet, im yiffing dead things
*chuckles*
D: Sorry fender! I didnt mean to go all wierd..
You post an opinion in public, you better be ready to have people disagree.
troll
Unless it DIRECTLY EFFECTS [u][b]YOU[/b][/u], you (not you generally) dont NEED TO COMMENT. My lord everyone end it.
This is more convenient for everyone.
Whenever I make a ticket on a certain issue I get told on that rule is not in use anyone and how it is changed.
Mind you this would clear a lot of confusion.
There are actually a lot of people who are unsure what's permitted and what is not.
Also as a suggestion why not write the current AUP like the old one?
aup is not website one is way bigger and harder to do and frankly fa wont admit that they dont have the resources
the people who have the skill and determination to make fa better have already done so with inkbunny and weasyl
and because a lot of trust fund retards are still funding the site
^^;
not a good one, but its an aup.
Above all else:
- Screenshots of all shapes and forms needs to be banned.
- Submissions advertising "HEY, ERM STREEMEN'" need to be banned.
- The AUP needs to be written by someone without a PHD in asskissing.
But most importantly,
- The AUP needs to be enforced.
And you my good sir, bring up some pretty good points.
Now, I wish the guy who originally commented on this would be willing to allow me to use my freedom of speech as well, but I guess we can't all win. (sorry, minor rant. xD)
You have a swell saint patty's day and week as well~
- Steam has a screenshot gallery. I play games and crash sims on SL quite frequently, guess where all my screenshots end up? That's right, on Steam.
- If you want to know if artists on streaming, check your journals. Nothing will make me de-watch an artist faster than seeing 3 "IM STREMIN" posts in my submission updates within the same 2 hour period.
- If artists want more people watching them, post original artwork that isn't garbage.
-I can't use Steam, it causes my computer to crash. And also, I usually play games on my Xbox, so why would I want Steam in the first place?
-Yes, I understand some people over use the submission advertisements, however, it evidentially works for them, or else they wouldn't do it in the first place. Also, some people don't get that many people in their streams, so they'll post multiple submissions to try to remedy that.
-Some artists DO post amazing pics, yet get no watchers! I have about eight people who I watch who are absolutely amazing artists, yet they have under 50 watchers. Explain that one Einstein!
- Personal problem, in either situation SL screenshots(with the exception of built-from-scratch items that has your name as the creator of everything) and screenshots from games(with the exception of uploader created mods) are already banned in the AUP. If you insist on sharing screenshots on your petty "achievements" and lack of contribution to society, go find an image host.
- From what I can tell from popular streams I sat in on, the amount of people viewing the stream showed no drastic change if the artist whether a image was posted or not. Most of the people who did attend were fans/watchers and did so primarily through the journal link.
- THAT BEING SAID, if their art isn't good enough to earn them some watchers, what makes them think that saying "I'm Streaming" will work any better? As previously stated, it doesn't. If people aren't interested in your work, they aren't going to change their minds just because you're streaming.
Or, as you said, you can unwatch them. If they're that annoying to you then you probably should anyway.
Zing.
-Not everyone has a bunch of watchers. I myself think I'm a pretty good artist (not the best, but not the worst), but I don't have TOO many watchers unlike other people. IF I ever did a stream, I would post a journal and a submission to maybe attract new people. (who puts 3 posts in two hours? That's just being an art whore)
-Getting watchers is not easy. It takes some hard work and plenty of exposure. There are some people on here with brilliant art, and yet barely any watchers.
We do t want to turn into dA where people spam journals, submissions and polls to say they are streaming.
if I drew a penis on a piece of paper, its art.
Taking some screenshot of a League of Legends game, however, is not.
Streaming, I dunno. I don't mind it so much, hell, I've done it. But I wish there was a better way to do it that uploading a submission and deleting it...
And I do agree about the streaming thing, there really should be a better way to do it. Maybe have a section on the front page that shows who's streaming right now, with their featured submission shown next to it? That way you could see who's streaming, what their work looks like, while not having it clog up the main page. Just a thought there, musing out loud really.
That would be really cool. But unfortunately, too advanced for FA xD
And to your last comment, I can only say one thing: XDDD
1. Unless screenshots are 100% your work, they should not be allowed
2. Streaming advertisements should only be posted once, not multiple times.
Since most users delete their streaming advertisements after they are done streaming, I personally see no real problem with it.
2. This is the "accepted rule", though not written, it's there. The scapegoat implementation however was more for PR reasons than anything else, because even if artists did break the rule it was never enforced so long as submissions weren't being made in a "spam" fashion - Even then, it was ignored.
It means that YOU as the Artist did not use any images/backgrounds/ect that you did not create. An example of this would be "Fake Screenshots". This would not count for those who took images from other artists and threw them together in a hobble of a mess as they did not create the content themselves. I would also add in that, even if only one piece of the image, lets say they created the background, but nothing else, then they should not be allowed to post the work.
For streaming, it has been written that you can post once, but if you post multiple times, the FA staff can and most likely will delete the submission. Unless it is posted multiple times, I would not consider it a violation of Furaffinity's AUP, and thus, it should not be banned entirely.
Now if only we can get it written like that.
Its more or less a catch 22 on that aspect. At least, that is how I am taking it into account.
As said before, the rules of the site, as they are written, can be interpreted "how they deem fit and against those whom they may dislike".
Furthermore, why not apply this same policy to real-world photography?
But that "bag of worms," as you put it, really isn't unique to SL. It applies equally to photography; if you take a photo of a business, for example, then it's up to licences and a fair use trial to determine whether or not you have full control over that image's distribution. It's—honestly—absurd that the terms are different between 3D images and real-world photography.
My personal itch is that every single phrasing of the AUP has used language that leaves Poser artists like myself at the mercy of whoever is interpreting the rules. I understand it's a defensive strategy to minimize administrative overhead when people take vanity shots of others' work in SL, but it completely screws over a related artform.
For example:
Lets say UserA goes into Secondlife, creates a model for only an avatar, but place backdrops made by other people. Then they post it to Furaffinity. They did not create the image themselfes to a 100% scale, meaning that they are violating the AUP, and thus, the admins can remove the submission at any time, and possibly suspend them for use of others work.
But look at UserB. They go into a modeling program, lets say for example Blender or DAZStudio. They create a model and scenery, not using anything that was created by another user. Legitly 100% their own work and sole creation, then UserB posts it to Furaffinity. They have not violated any AUP or ToS codes, therefore, they are allowed to post screen shots.
Example:
UserA takes a photo of their fursuit with it laying on the floor/bed. They bought both bed and carpet, so thus, it by all technicalities is their property.
Also, what if I can only use a camera at a friend's house? Wouldn't that pic also be banned, since I don't own the surroundings I'm in?
Just wondering about this, not meaning anything bad by it at all.
Infact, I like it when people are open about this and are willing to take that chance in pointing out a consistency error.
And yes, it could apply to that I would presume. But again, this sorta thing is hard to pin down, and could cause a catch-22 effect.
This is why I mostly pointed this idea in the beginning at Screenshots and not photos, as this would be a very touchy subject for Photography.
I already know that it can't be only applied to one subject, thus again, why i stated it as a touchy subject. Which is probably why they do not go into details with the screenshop AUP rule.
And thank you for being so civil and open with your discussions here, it's really a breath of fresh air compared to the normal Drama Llamas I get stuck talking to. ^^
As to your point:
I agree with you for the most part about crediting, maybe I am a little biased with the 100% your work point, as I dislike seeing others use already copyrighted images for their screenshots. For the most part, I do not report anything without first looking to see if they were given permission and credit the original artist, but most of this comes from being on DA, where theft runs rampant. I myself would rather see an image that is 100% the artists work, then see content that isn't theirs.
Giving credit though, when posting, allows you to submit something without trouble for the most part, which in a way, I would presume is good, unless the original artist does not want their work used.
Yeah, I don't use DA that much anymore just because of that fact. xD
And I have about 200 or so watchers on DA, so I can't really abandon it entirely, even though I rarely post anymore XD
With that, if the skins are free to use, then they also might not be taken down. It would be up to the interpretation and discretion of the admins to decide if something stays or gets deleted.
In the end, all of this talk and clamor about the AUP getting updated on FA ebbs to just that. Talk. Unless we go to the forums and state our opinions, they won't take them into consideration. At least, that is what I understand from this journal.
The forums aren't loading for me, but maybe make a post that simplifies the AUP for those whom cannot understand the legal wording.
Ban all furries from this site!
They are annoyin, they are weird, and they ruin everything!
all the artists arent furries anyway
they are just money grubbing commercial whores doing porn art for quick cash to get through college
all of the most popular artists like blotch and zaush and redrusker and artdecade and jbernal dont eben LIKE furry artwork or furry fandom - its not a genuine interest for them
they are just doing it for money and lulz
so why not ban all furries from the site so the artists can have more real estate and stake in the site to push their capitalism to the trust fund babies who support and pay for fa?
But yes, I don't understand why either form of submission is being taken down (I've seen both betting taken down). They are just as legitimate forms of taxidermy as traditional mounting.
I can understand why most people may not want to see RKA (road kill art ). Al-tho it it's self is an art form.
I don't see the issue, lable it mature - adult. I mean I personally dislike pronz but it's not being removed from FA.
I really think that if FA had a Keyword dis-abler we wouldn't have like 1/3 of the issue's we have due to the multi perspective culture we are all apart of.
thing is nobody is buying it anyway we all know who pulls the strings on fa
Why everything in one thing? Because 4 separated things confuses the mass.
And then from after Easter to August, they're gorging themselves on all of the unfound chocolates!
But then you'd have otter cooties.
And these same people are probably saying I'm a suck-up right now. x'D
Replying to one of the other million -actual grievances- here instead of only popping your cowardly head out for asspats.
I have all this idea thought out, and I know how to make this benefit everyone, including FA.
Now, I will get off my soap box now ^,...^
If you feel someone deserves a bit more attention the best thing you can do is probably to do a journal featuring one or more artists and talking about what you like in their art, and encouraging others to follow your example. (Or if you're feeling particularly generous, I suppose you could buy them a month of site advertising, but that's beyond the scope of what most people would be willing to randomly do.)
Just ideas...
youll have better luck
fa does not have the resources to improve this site
youd be better off trying to make a new art site than change fa in any meaningful way
if you have good ideas theyre wasted here
us$1800/mo just for their server hosting and internet bandwidth not to mention all of their hardware
fa is mostly paid for by trust fund babies who love furry porn and donate money to fa so they can have easy access to it
the ad banners come nowhere near paying for the site but its just some small amount of extra income so the loss is not so bad
do the math if fa has 48 ad banners running at us$25/mo then thats only us$1200/mo total which is us$600/mo short of their needs and then theres still hardware costs and overhead like business licensure and domain names and ssl certs and stuff
and money is not even the issue here the issue is that the people who run fa are incapable and ignorant and they arent even nice enough to attract or keep engineers on staff who can write better software and why should they
if you want to build an art site like fa all you need are a few nice servers - one beefy db server plus one beefy fileserver plus two to four web app blades and one fast reverse proxy for serving static content and then you need a small team of engineers and designers to write the code and do the systems work which will take between 4 and 8 months of part time work for a site like weasyl or inkbunny - you will also need a colo facility and internet bandwidth and thats where the real cost comes in because for the level of traffic fa has it will be between us$1500 and us$3000
so the real trick is getting the trust fund babies in furry fandom to fund your project but they will expect something in return as well - namely a strong say in how you run your site and insistence that you never ban them despite all of their violations of policy on your site
if you had that much youd have a pretty kickass site in 6 to 9 months
It wasn't really to suppress freedom >.>
Now... if only everybody thought like me.
paypal and payza made a choice at their admin level to not allow business with fa for moral and ethical reasons
while furries bitch about cub art the mainstream people bitch about plain old vanilla furry porn
its all about perspective - everyone is being a prejudiced bitch about it all on all sides
It'll be the cub porn ban all over again with people raging all over and leaving the site. I can't blame the Admins and Dragoneer for not wanting to deal with that again. What's done is done, it's best to leave it be. Those who were so adamant about keeping the cub porn have left anyways. At least most of them have.
even the people on inkbunny maintain accounts here and as long as they are allowed they will give their viewpoint here about what they believe in
and you cant blame them for trying - welcome to the free exchange of ideas and thoughts called the internet
OH NO TOO MUCH WORK 4 U! XDDDDDDDD
Case in point: We still don't have thumbnails in gallery view.
Also, maybe make some of the rules a little more clear? More clarification? I understand the want to shorten it, so maybe people will actually read it, but it does no good if there's a bunch of gray areas that are going to start fights and disputes between users, or users and Admins.
So far all I can comment about.
I hate seeing pictures of people cooking and food, FA is not a cooking show
I hate family reunion photos, FA is not furry Facebook
I hate jewelry being posted here, FA is not QVC
Note: I don't actually hate these things, they're just good examples.
See how that works? Maybe you don't consider Taxidermy to be an art form, but it indeed is. What is and isn't art is different for everyone.
"Plush toys are banned here, furs have sex with taxidermy "real stuffed animals" so why isn't taxidermy banned too?"
You mean plush toys that are modified for sex? Yes, they're banned because that's the only purpose a modified plush will ever have; sex. Taxidermy animals are not MADE for having sex with (And shame on anyone who does), so therefore it can't be classified in the same category as a modified sex plush.
So because there are INSTANCES of people having sex with Taxidermy animals, that automatically makes them 100% the same as a modified sex plush, that's only purpose is FOR sex? While Taxidermy is majorly used as an art form and as decoration?
The plush toys aren't allowed because they have no other purpose whatsoever. Taxidermy is not because it is an art form that serves many purposes, with sex sadly being one of them (Though rarely, as I've never EVER seen that before). I'm sure if someone posted a stuffed real animal that's obviously for sex, it'd be removed, however.
And I agree, plush -making is an art form just as well as any other. And it remains an art form even when making it Adult, as it is when making an adult fursuits. But like adult fursuits, or adult toys, they're not allowed here. FA chose not to allow them here and that's their call. Personally with all the drawn porn here, I don't see the difference, but seeing as I don't particularly relish the fact that some fursuits are used for sex, I can't complain.
I'm aware what that term is, and I agree that the toy doesn't necessarily need to be modified in order for it to be used for sex. But that is a terribly gray area. Unless they actually SAY "Hey I'm having sex with this toy, see the cum stains!", the admins really can't say for sure, and therefore it can't be removed in all fairness. The only reason the modified ones are removed (If it's visible or disclosed that it's modified) is because it's quite obvious what it's for. Same principle with yiffsuits. As long as they're not SHOWING the adult parts, they can't remove it because it's not obvious. There's plenty of yiffsuits posted here, they're just regular photos of them at Cons however, with the bits covered.
And you're right, there is no way to tell whether the animal in a Taxidermy piece was killed humanely or not. But as long as the gorey process is not posted, I see no reason for it to be removed. Because people don't like it? Well, the answer people get who don't like scat porn or watersports (Which includes myself), is applied here as well. "Tough titties". If you don't like it, don't look at it. Don't seek it out. It's about the only thing we who do not enjoy some of the fetishes or hobbies on this site can do.
And if you think you are not welcome, and that you are alienated, then just jump ship and move to another site. You still have MANY choices on what sites you can go to. You are actually only doing yourself harm by staying where you feel that you are not welcomed.
By the end of the day, there is bound to be someone whom is going to throw a shit fit, simply cause they feel unwelcome or that they feel that their "rights", which lets face it, we don't have rights on this site, only privileges, have been violated. The FA staff can ban freely and they can remove images at their will, whether we like it or not.
Why the hell did you block me, if you don't like my comments don't read them - simple.
The apology line is a blunt joke, no need to overreact.
Obviously maybe I've hit a nerve with some furs, believe me I don't try and do it on purpose.
Also some of my comments are off subject replies to the user, again it's a comment a point of view no need to overreact.
Indeed everything eats sleeps shits and dies ...Are you a Megalithic or Neolithic?
Hunting is unsustainable if everyone on the planet took up hunting what do you think would happen, that's right species extinction, good or bad factory/mechanized farming is here to stay, again it's a comment a point of view no need to overreact.
I have nothing more to say.
Not that animals we eat are always treated humanely, because they're not sometimes. But same as taxidermy, I can't look at ground beef and tell you whether or not the cow was treated right.
You seem to have this huge vendetta against this site, and while I agree that the Admins here like to play favorites, or target certain users for one reason or another, it just seems silly. If you hate it so much, why are you even still here? There's dozens of other sites to take your business to.
I don't like how the site is run either, but I do my best to put in my two cents to admins and Dragoneer, and so far I've played a small part in getting a few things changed around here. So at least I can say I'm trying.
Honestly, I'm not trying to change your viewpoints on taxidermy, or anything really. It's just that expecting the site to remove it just because you and a group of other people don't like it is absurd. Rules that pander to peoples' feelings don't work. Otherwise everything that could possibly be offensive would be removed. Religious pieces, vulgarity, etc..
i lolled
BUT YOU DON'T SEE ME CRYING OVER IT.
Furry is just a word something to hide behind, it has nothing to do with ones sexuality, as furs are humans I don't need to find any evidence/claims that furries have had sex with taxidermy, though it is inevitable someone has had sex with taxidermy.
If you want a source just type "zoophiles bestiality taxidermy fetishism." in to a search engine, but it will be at your own risk.
I won't be searching this, websites can latch on to Yahoo e-mail addresses.
Total BS, taxidermist/trophy hunters have no respect for animals, for example hunters abuse animals, women and children, it's a well know fact hunters are more likely prone to commit abuse and sexual violence. Soldiers who serve in the army and retired soldiers who take up hunting for fun are also prone to commit abuse and sexual violence. These kind of hunters are just necrozoophilia, that gets a sexual enjoyment/kick out of killing animals
I call them scum of the earth.
Nice try! I have a very healthy sexual relationship with my girlfriend thank you, I'm afraid you'll have to try alot harder than this if you wish to offend me.
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Yeah, thats all. Thank you.
And, yes... I know you said leave it on the forums, but I don;t touch the forums with a 50 foot pole thanks to all the drama that goes on over there.
Anyways... The main thing is, whether it be the AUP or ANY rules on FA, things need to be handled in a democratic way.
(namely, let us the end users vote on that WE want... not be told "this is how It's going to be, like it or lump it).
\Because, such a "my way, or the highway" type approach is exactly the sort of thing that has been commonplace here on FA right from day when I first joined under my old account back in 2006.
Letting the end users vote on what we want is the only sensible and diplomatic way to go about such matters (imho).
Thing is, listening has NOT been the forte of the admins or the site owner himself ever since he bought this place from
Again, much like I said... the atypical mindset usually has been by the top level people "You don't it?" *points to the nearest exit* "there'[s the door".
Thing is, you can have the shiniest, fastest, and most exp0ensive servers... but if there is not as much as a single soul coming to set up accounts on it, it won't much matter.
Some cite the whole thing of this place being free, which yes, I like that about it, of course... same as any of us, I would think... but, just because the place is free does not automatically mean out say in things SHOULD rightfully be zero.
because, again... it is only through the traffic we end users bring to this place that FA is able to continue to exist.
Of course, also as we well know... high public drama like that whole matter of the mass exodus for Weasyl that many supposedly did also shows that we, the end users (ALL of us) are the one that ultimately determine whether this place sinks or swims.
Again... my main point here to all this rambling is that it sure would be nice (colour me crazy0 if the top level people TRULY acknowledged that without our patronage (server traffic) there would not BE a Fur Affinity... free of charge to sign up or not.
Plus, Profiteer, erm, I mean Dragoneer's decidedly hands off approach to this place... letting his underlings handle most of the grunt labor, is also something that doesn't help matters, since if he is the owner, he should be taking a proactive HANDS ON approach to this place.
Now, my guess is that there will be claims to the contrary if Profiteer reads this... bottom line, I don't buy it.... not from what I'[ve seen.
Btw, by "hands on" I mean that HE be the one to ban trolls, not get someone under him to handle things like that, or many other things.
But, getting back to the AUP once more... to get more specific on my take of that... simply let people upload what they want, period.
Bottom line, there is NOT any good reason as to exactly why it can't be handled as simple as that. (despite the fact that there would be those who claim other such nonsense to the contrary)
So, again.. my take on the AUP... you wanna upload it? *Shrugs shoulders* Go ahead and upload it.
It should NOT be about what someone else thinks about what you uploaded, it should be ALL about YOUR right to upload what you please... period, end of story.
so its no wonder they never get touched
Certainly, I think there is a certain amount of troll side to "profiteer" (As i have nicknamed Dragoneer).
Speaking of that, if all this site really is to him is just mainly a way to make money... whether It's a few bucks on the side, or major profiteering, then if that is the case, then of course it would mean his priority lies with money... not this site of It's users.
But, I'll admit, even if this is true of the guy, I can't prove this (Unfortunately).
At any rate, after having been on here since 2006 (under my old account) I'm only still on FA myself because I've been other places, and never really found any "greener pastures" elsewhere either.
Still though... doesn't change the fact that this place Isn't not run "by the furs, for the furs"... more like, it seems to be run by the elitist furs FOR the head elitist fur, profiteer 'Neer.
what it is about is ego stroking and neer and his compadres are milking it for all they can
as long as there are users here to subjugate and there are trust fund babies floating the cost of the site fa will stick around
Want an improvement of the AUP, I say have the staff grow a thicker skin already. Geez.
Now that I think about it the AUP pretty much says that anyway.
http://www.furaffinity.net/full/8187382/
http://www.furaffinity.net/full/6803148/
http://www.furaffinity.net/full/6249386/
http://www.furaffinity.net/full/4757702/
I just don't want any of my photography (which is, after all, the vast majority of my work here) getting banned for silly reasons.
ALSO, something forbidding the use of the paper thin bullshit "AGED UP" excuse.
I'm not posting this on FAF, if somebody wants to copy me, that's fine. I don't want to make another account.
ive never understood the whole fa submission auction thing
i cant imagine how unbelievably easy it would be to use a second account here for shill bids and pumping up the price
its not like fa would even begin to setup the kind of security required for that
shady as fuck
That sounds more than a bit silly. FA isn't responsible for the actions of their members on other sites, nor should they be. Nto to mention FA struggles enough to keep their own members in line on their own site. Not to mention they struggle to keep their own staff members in line on their own site.
Libel and harassment are illegal, and if you wanna fight them tooth an nail over it then unfortunately that does mean legal aid.
It just simply has nothing to do with FA. Would you want FA to punish users for breaking their rules on other sites, as well? Like, if a user posts cub porn on another site... should FA ban them here?
No site is responsible for things their users do off-site.
I don't really understand how FA is any less safe than any other site, honestly. Maybe it's just because any harassment I've recieved has been just that; some nasty comments here and there. But I've recieved such treatment all over the internet, which I either ignore myself or get a helping hand via a block option.
Whether its right or not, you can't punish someone for breaking rules on an external site... All you can do is take that into account if they break rules on your site.
But you cannot expect Website A to punish User 1 for something they did on Website B...
Since it's merely a website, it would be hard to enforce rules from this site on another, which would be breaking the other site's privacy policy and being a form of privacy invasion on the individuals affected.
Sometimes, you've just got to take care of yourself I guess
What is happening is User B harasses User A here, but because FA doesn't seem to save deleted comments in a database and doesn't allow screenshots, User B gets away with it easily. However, luckily for User A, User B is also on another site where proof is still around, and so they gather that evidence to prove User B is harassing them here as well.
Problem is.. FA will not take that evidence. So now User A has to just deal with it. No matter how racist, sexist or humiliating that is. And it's not right.
If that's the case, then FA does need to get its arse into gear protecting members of its own site on its site. If they did that, then there'd be no need to gather evidence from other sources. But looking at what FunkD said brings up another good point;
"If FA were a profit corporation, this would be fine.
Since it's merely a website, it would be hard to enforce rules from this site on another, which would be breaking the other site's privacy policy and being a form of privacy invasion on the individuals affected. "
You just can't do it. And proving that a user is harassing you on another site still doesn't prove that they're doing it here.
when the guy who runs the site is completely corrupt then hes going to put all of his corrupt lackeys in charge
in other words you may as well just go to another site and improve it instead of trying to fix this broken hellhole
You want feedback on your AUP? Make sure your moderators don't get away with bullying the users first, THEN you can worry about your AUP.
...On a more serious note, and not really AUP related, the inconsistency with file sizes. Most are crushed to 1280, but some artists have huge files. Why is that?
I do like this idea, it'd be better then notes, if you use your notes for commissions mainly, it'd keep it clean and neat.
Admin discretion is one of the most absurd parts of the AUP, ToS, CoC and SA. It grants too much room for an administrator to act purely on a grudge or personal dislike of subject matter or of the person themselves.
(User was banned for this post)
First, make a rule against cub porn which is pretty fucking obviously cub porn being allowed simply because the uploader says "They're an 18 year old midget." I know you have a cub porn fetish Dragoneer, we've all seen that picture you commissioned from Edis Krad where you were playing cowboys and indians with him, but the rest of us would really prefer not to see small toddlers having sex. Saying the toddlers are 18 year old "short people" or "that's the artists style" should -not be okay,- even if the site owner shares this disgusting fetish.
Second, SL screenshots shouldn't exist. Nobody wants to see your derpyfaced boxwolf's cardboard tube penis clipping through another derpyfaced boxwolf who in turn is clipping through the floor. Its not sexy. I promise.
Third, make some sort of system where we can report people for not coming through with commissions.
t is far too easy for someone to take a bunch of money and then sneak to another account to do it all over again.
Fourth, and probably the most important, -take the term "admin's discretion" out of the fucking AUP. You should never relegate the responsibility of making decisions to a separate personality every time, or you will always get separate answers. You need to make stone rules that cannot be bent or broken. But then I guess that would make you be held accountable, so I doubt it would ever happen. Much easier to say "well that *admin* made a mistake" instead of "I have no clue how to run a website."
Third,
Neer is full of shit
I have only ever screenshotted my own hard work (Nothing adult), meaning that I only ever screenshot and upload ~My own builds~. After all, 3D rendering is an artform, even if it's done using simple blocks and prims, etc. I work hard on these things, and I deserve to be able to show them off for what they are. Works of art. Cub porn is out of the question, though..fuck all that noise. I don't want to see it, either.
"admin's discretion" does not work well when not all the admins interpret the rules the same, so we have some removing things that should not be getting removed. :/
SL screenshots are NOT art IMO. 3D imaging from scratch is work. That is not.
We need an easily accessible Artists Beware thing like LJ has, maybe on the forums. Not just for bashing people, but for giving REAL reason to why you shouldn't commission people.
And yes. YES. All admins should have a set of rules that they ALL agree to and ALL follow, instead of "admin's discretion". It's bullshit. Even though they're not supposed to, they can use their own bias to do what they want. That's not how you run a site.
to add more to your third point i know artists are cheating with auctions on fa because ive been asked to bid up items by artist friends and ive done so many times just to see if fa would notice or care and they clearly dont
see you on the other side of your ban man
I originally made an honest effort to abide by the AUP, but when I found that material I uploaded became unacceptable because of revisions in the AUP, I stopped making any further efforts to follow the rules. I have better things to do than spend time modifying my gallery each time the rules change. It is why I have not uploaded anything in over a year now and migrated my gallery elsewhere.
http://images4.wikia.nocookie.net/_.....Pony_age_1.png
You're free to keep embarrassing yourself. I don't like MLP either but all this hate for it is stupid ..
By the way, that was two seconds on google, approximately half the time it would have taken you to slow down, do your research, and not come across as stark raving butthurt.
i guess ponies dont have humanoid bodies/arent humanoid other than personality so visually its.. acceptable? idk.
most images i come accross of it doesn't resemble child pornography. but there are some that really, REALLY do. it honestly comes down to how the artist draws it, which is why this site needs to get rid of "oh its not children it's midgets that are in their 20's"
i guess you could use your point of view against pokemon, digimon, sonic (which does have set guide-lines with what is acceptable x-rated art), any animal cartoons. it's a fine, fine line, and if you get rid of one, you might as well get rid of them all (although i wouldnt mind haha)
From the AUP:
"Depicting of minors (humanoid or feral adolescents who act/behave like humans) in sexual situations"
In other words, it doesn't matter if they're anthro or feral, the cub porn rule applies to both, as far as MLP, I know some of the characters are questionable as far as age, but I think the Cutie Mark Crusaders are WITHOUT question supposed to be young children, and therefore porn of them technically should not be allowed.
I do understand however that someone who doesn't watch the show wouldn't know that, but I'm just saying. Though I think the fact that they're smaller and younger looking than the other characters should be a clue. Or a quick Google search would suffice to verify that they're depicted as younger.
I know it's a lot to go through, but as an Admin, fairness and knowledge should be a priority.
Though I think it takes more than being a fan of the show. I like the show myself...but I absolutely loathe the loads of porn of it. Especially that of the younger characters.
I see it this way. The CMC (and their classmates) are underaged. They live with their parents, they OBVIOUSLY don't have the mental maturity to be, y'know, sexually active (like a child; I mean, look at the crap the CMC get themselves into). The Mane 6, on the other hand, have "jobs". THey live on their own, they act as parental roles to their younger siblings (ie Applejack and Rarity). Based on this you can assume that the Mane 6 are of age, and the CMC are underaged based on their actions, body, mannerisms, etc.
So CMC porn shouldn't be allowed with cub porn. Underage sex is NOT okay, human or anthro otherwise.
Personally, I'm not a fan of porn of the Mane six either, but that's just my opinion. If I had a wild guess, I'd say based on how they act, they're probably in their early to late 20s. So I can at least be more comfortable about it, despite I don't like it.
no actual children are being exploited? good then move along
and if youre going to rant like so many others on this thread that there are laws
please provide evidence of these laws with links to either the citation of the law or a court case which enforced it
Alot of the MLP porn i have been seeing are the under aged Ponies like the Cutie mark crusaders or the normal ponies without cuties marks. I had reported one that was obviously underage before and Dragoneer told me that it was 'of age'. Though it obviously wasn't.
Though its really hard to tell who would be adults in the show or not, there is an age chart but most of them are all the same height whether they are parents already in the show or not.
But yea i think a lot of the MLP porn currently on the site is questionable.
(That and i have a few open furs at my school who tell everyone everything, even fetish's x-x)
I said that the fandom has a bad enough reputation as it is. Thats it, dont try to put something it my mouth that was never there.
Anyone who looks at a child with sexual intent of any shape or form is disgusting.
1984 here we come!
"In the image depicted it is it shows that the character is of age"
No it didnt, no cutie mark. Still had the body of a young teenager. There was more art in the gallery of the cutie mark crusaders so i just gave up and blocked the person so i dont have to see it from them anymore.
I mean, even if you don't watch the show, and therefore don't know that the characters are underage, and quick Google search would tell you.
I suppose it depends on the admin, but it also depends on the info given. Some admins may not be familiar with the context and just see it as a pony.
If we went by real horse/pony years, they are mature by around 2 years. But obviously we are dealing with a fictional universe that follows different rules, and the characters have human qualities. And thus, I feel, they should be held to a human standard of legal age. So I feel admins should go by canon contexts, and if they don't know the context, well, it should be passed on to someone that does. I'm just babbling at this point. Anyways, the main thing I wanted to say, if you are reporting a mature pic involving the CMC or any other younger pony, link to that pony's wikia! Usually for the young characters it is noted that they are school age or grade school age. And that is enough grounds to prove they are underage.
Sorry I was so wordy! .A.
But I like the idea of linking info in Trouble Tickets, will do in the future!
If they cut out the admin digression part and set everything in stone, things would go about a lot smoother.
But I agree, as far as content goes, Admin digression should not be involved. Using common sense and judgement is handy when dealing with drama and harassment, but as far as submissions, it should be the same no matter what or who.
And yes, totally agree. I'd like to see less skirting around when it comes to popular users. A violation is a violation regardless of pageviews.
But the mane six and others around their physical maturity and older are not children, no matter how cutesy they look. So, porn of them is not cub porn.
Nice slippery slope argument by the way... it doesn't make you appear any smarter.
Nobody here is saying to have sex with children. That's what cub porn is for. I suppose you're going to crusade against artwork of ferals engaging in sexual activity too? If not, then that would make you a hypocrite.
Can you elaborate? I'm not looking for an argument, I'm truly trying to understand what's going on here. o3o
My argument (Although I was wrong in that I didn't know it was technically illegal) is that cub porn shouldn't be against the AUP since it's not actual, real life child pornography and serves as a safer outlet for people who are into that stuff, instead of running the risk that they might express that in real life.
I compared his prejudice mindset to that of a homophobes, and now he's implying that I'm gay bashing because he is an idiot that likes to cherry pick out what he wants to read. He also is again using the argument that a pedophile relationship is not a consenting one... which as I stated has nothing to do with the argument as cub porn isn't real life pedophilia.
I go to block him because I think he is stupid, so he goes to tell his friend too... without a doubt they begin to insulting me, be it my support of incest and despite my, what seems to be obvious trans status, seem to delight in misrepresenting my gender/ gender identity. Which kind of contradicts his whole tailhole troubles crying about how I was gay bashing.
The funniest thing is that he claims to be a libertarian, which is about living and let live... and harmless, non infringing artwork would fall under the category of what a libertarian is supposed to believe in.
Secondly, I think this was a misunderstanding, at its core. I know neither of them would gay bash being that I know them both personally, so I apologize if they came off that way.
Regardless, thanks for explaining. I understand now. It's appreciated.
Where did I say he was gay bashing xD
If we're not going to ban everything, but we ban something else because it offends somebody... then that's called favoritism. It's not even about the fact that it's technically illegal... assuming it wasn't, this person I'm arguing with would still support it being banned.
You can't compare sex with a minor to homosexuality.
Minors are not considered mentally capable of consenting to sexual intercourse.
"To each their own" doesn't really flow here when you're hurting someone or something...
But once again I wasn't comparing homosexuality to sex with a minor. I was comparing these lametard's prejudice minset to that of somebody against homosexuality.
And once again, art, no real life pedophilia... they are, like I stated, once again, not the same thing.
cos i think your full of shit
there is no legal court preceding where someone was charged with a crime for drawing pornography of fantasy children
at least not in the us or canada
But in redistrobuting it? Yes there is. Which is why I said it's fine if someone keeps it to themselves.
Try to read what I wrote in its entireity xD
please provide evidence to the contrary genius
You have freedom of speech as long as doing such a thing doesn't violate the rights of others or any laws.
Drawings containing sexual activities with minors is, I believe, child pornography. If you tried to bring hardcore shotacon from Japan into the USA you'd be pulled up for it...
YOU provide evidence of the contrary. I don't feel I need to prove anything to someone who has flitted around here insulting people
hardcore shota and loli is sold on ebay and furbid every day and nobody gets charged with anything
inkbunny is hosted in the eu which has the most strict online child porn laws in the world and they dont get tagged
the law repeatedly asserts that unless an ACTUAL CHILD is exploited or harmed its not child porn
this is make believe yo - its not real then its not illegal and if you make this illegal then you have to make fake murder and fake guns and fake rape illegal too
If it isn't law, then fine. But FA and other sites are still held by rules beyond their control - like those outlined by their host.
If you wanna indulge in such things then you can, but I'm tired of people complaining about it here. There are a lot of people who would prefer not to see it, given its controversy and the fine line it walks.
I'm not bored enough to engage in banter with you about laws.
It is the way it is. Deal with it
You want cub, go to inkbunny 8D
but yeah if ~ALL trolling was instant ban worthy then half the "creators" on this site would be exiled
or take down icons that are deemed inappropriate while people are allowed to upload pictures of DILDOS in their gallery
Just imagine her using one of those.
i mean i know it's ~*~not against the AUP~*~ but it sure as shit should be.
http://www.furaffinity.net/view/9074262/ dont really wanna see peoples dildos all over FA, thanks.
i also just saw your latest comment about cub porn, and i think it isn't necessarily the fact that people don't like it (because i'm pretty sure a lot of the admins are in to it), but that it actually was getting the site in LEGAL trouble. you may not view it as child pornography but a lot of businesses do. i'd just go to inkbunny or something.
I'm just saying... there are a lot of things I don't like seeing either... but nobody is going to make that against the AUP. I'd much rather see a dildo than a piece of bad artwork... but I understand from a universal perspective that it is not my place to regulate these things... because it makes people happy in their own ways to post them.
i don't like/hate the majority of fetishes i see on here. i'm a pretty vanilla person. but as long as i watch the right people, i don't see it, and when i do come across it i just ignore it. you can't regulate things through what you yourself deem acceptable, i agree with you. this isn't one of those times, though, because it was actual legal trouble and not just "stop liking what i don't like"
they got banned from paypal and alertpay/payza because they chose not to do business with the questionable content fa hosts
it was not limited to the cub art either but due to all of the violent/fetish art as well and the overwhelmingly adult nature of art here
it was going to happen regardless of the cub art policy and the kneejerk reaction to losing paypal and payza was pointless because it changed nothing
I agree that 'Hey I just bought this' type stuff shouldn't be allowed, but that particular link is a bad argument against it...
not artaffinity
when did you ever think this site was about art?
i think youre missing the point
I think highly suggestive icons are fine, but they have removed some that... just.. weren't whatsoever. like I just saw
wish it was just more consistent
FA's a weird place. But I like it. :I
Admins just want to be reassured of by the people that what they already have in mind is morally correct.
Was going to reply to die huskey... but apparently I'm blocked. Oh well.
ive met him at a few cons and hes an arrogant retard
but dont take my word for it go to fau or ac and meet him yourself then form your own opinions
The forum has no purpose as a community messageboard or the like. It's a circlejerk for a small group of self-hating furries. :T why would anyone with a legitimate idea or suggestion post on what's essentially Troll Central?
It's been said time again by myself and so many others that the admins are not all interpreting the rules the same.
No greif for the person what wants a Adult themed icon, and no grief for the person that wants to see the GENERAL stuff in my gallery!
It's the age at which people are deemed mature enough to view porn/have sex (they're not always the same age).
From your other comments, I don't think you get that FA is bound by laws. They can't jsut do as they please...
1) It obviously goes against NATURE and natural sexual developments and feelings.
2) Masturbation is healthy for you and relieves stress.
3) It's just straight up doing more than what needs to be done.
4) If you're masturbating or look at porn, then you're able to better control yourself instead of engaging in real life, and harmful, sex.
The fact is, sites have to do everything they can to make sure underage users cannot access adult material. There's no point argueing why or getting all liberal about it. It is the way it is. FA can't change the laws that bind them and they can't risk pissing off their hosting or supporters or anyone else for the sake of letting a few kids jack off, or at least letting them have the opportunity to from content on their site >_>'
i think in reality you are an ignorant fuck who makes up laws in your own head which do not exist for the rest of us
cite your laws with links or gtfo
How about you drop the attitude if you want to take part in a adult discussion, yeah? Why don't you try to wage a proper counter-arguement rather than just spouting insults? xD
deal with it
nothing
Back up your truth with facts instead of just stating that you speak the truth.
I've had one admin in particular remove submissions of mine within seconds, then completely ignore a similar "offense" uploaded by different users.
It's like the kid that gets punched in school, so they decide to defend themselves... and the principle punishes both of them (Except in this case, there is actual evidence and knowledge of everything that's going on)... it's not really fair.
If you don't want to be called out, don't do shit to reason for it.
And yeah, my high school was like that. Even if you just laid there and let the kid hit on you, you'd still get in trouble..
But just because you were called out, doesn't exactly mean you did anything wrong. It's the fault of the person calling out the other, for calling them out... it's not the fault of the targeted person.
Now if you get called out for being a little shit and you haven't done anything, that's a problem. If you get called out and then harassed when you have legitimately done something wrong? You probably deserve it. If you get harassed for not doing anything, that should be a violation.
I'm a bit iffy since I deal with haters on a near-constant basis. But I'm biased! :P
Personal opinion? AUP should be updated so everybody needs to take an I.Q. test and score above 130 to post on the website, and all the chauvinistic asshats would get shipped off to some nice little island somewhere with no food.I think there should be a rule that tells people
not to be prudish little fascists andto quit complaining that a certain kind of art they don't like hasn't been forcefully rubbed out of existence. There's a reason it's all fictional art of fictional people and/or the unreal interpretations of consenting real people that doesn't harm anybody and can serve as a safe outlet for emotions that are hard to control without either serious drugs or years of training, at least so far as sexual or sensual art is concerned.My best advice is just to ignore him... he comments/replies to everybody and gives them a hard time for everything. Just use the block feature... or else he pretty much will anyways... after he gets his last word in of course.
I believe that (for example) if someone is a pedophile, or is having such thoughts, and they want to get it out of their system or... relieve their urges through artistic means (whether that be creating or... viewing it) then that is fine, in the pirvacy of their own bedroom and in an area where such a thing is legal. It's not the sort of thing you post online about, or at least not on a site that isn't specifically catering towards those needs. But it all needs to be for the sake of getting better, especially in the case of pedophiles. Real therapy.
So, whilst it is harmless in the confines of your own home, it can be harmful when posted online. There are rules and laws against it for a reason. Other fetishes not so much, seriously depends on what they are... Pedophilia and cub porn though seem to be one of the biggest issues, which is why I'm using it as an example.
But other fetishes... If they're the sort of thing that you'd need controlling because they are... unfavourable at best, they're not going to be the sort of thing you should even want to be... broadcasting...
Also... your IQ test comment is a bit... uneccessary, really. Not to mention a decent IQ score doesn't ensure that the person isn't incapable in some respects... >_>'
Wording is one thing...but I think being more graphical would help those who arn't very good at understanding.
While we're at it... lets make everything else that people don't like against the rules. Are you tired of people using the correct terminology to label trans people, instead of calling them herms? Make it illegal! What about scat? That should be illegal too since I don't like it personally.
Ridiculous.
FA was forced to get that stuff banned from the site because otherwise there now would be no FA
I'm glad it's gone.
I was here before the ban so I can complain (Not that I ever will about that)
So yeah he knew it yet he came here.
you should probably shut your mouth when youre lying or ignorant
fa was never forced to ban cub art it was a choice and in fact it was a vote and after being voted on for years the balance finally shifted
get your facts straight n00blet
hope you enjoy anal
And was I the first making a hostile comment towards the other? Uhm no I wasn't.
Now good day to you.
With the improvements we're getting, were getting more issues, for example the thumbnails, so they're really no point in suggesting when they probably won't consider because A.) it's not on the forum and B.) it has nothing to do with their AUP specifically.
What is stupid is the fact that they comment on MY journal but I can't reply to their comments. Black magic fuckery at it's finest.
Usually if somebody does that, then I block them and delete their comments. It's stupid that they're going to have an opinion when I cannot.
try connecting through tor these days and you'll see what i mean
they are using the web app layer to do the logic and blocking rather than at the router level which is pure fail from a performance perspective
Maybe if making a new account was harder or had a 48 hour "trial period" in which you can only view and not comment, note.
And for that matter, make watching someone have a COOLDOWN. So you can not be spammed by watches and unwatches. Make the site take note of when you unwatch someone, and only allow one rewatch for 24 hours so you can easily rewatch if you accidentally unwatch someone, and if you accedentally unwatch someone again, no big deal, just bookmark their page and re-add them later.
Inb4 "BUT PEOPLE WITH PROXIES"
Well that doesn't mean not to try :3
NO ADMIN DISCRETION
Far too many stories have been told about unfairness and inconsistency, and it's really quite sad that the staff of the site can't seem to figure out how to run it properly AND FAIRLY.
What excuse are we going to get this time
Also totes agree about the cub porn. Phone is struggling to handle this thread.
No real complaints from me, to be honest. I just do my thing and chill out~
None of these rules matter though, because each admin has their own rules. If they don't like a particular fetish, it and you are banned, even when other admins have open minds.
Seriously.
Have you seen DA?
for the sake of users and admins, please create some clarity as to what exactly classifies an icon / image as DNP.
... At least, I think they do. :I
Don't need an app, really, just... would be nice if there was a mobile version of the website. *shrug*
HAVE YOU
its shit ;-;
my phone sux
: No one may post anything, ever. admins included.
fa, = solved
PEDO PORN IS ALLOWED ON INKBUNNY GUYS
Now please go and make your acquaintance over there, thank you! :>
So yeah that won't change for you.
No one wants to see the submissions being nothing but fursuit images from a con from 50 different people attending posting their suits.
Not saying they don't want to see it, they just don't want to see it -all at once-
Flood protection prevents flooding. It's there for a reason and has nothing to do with the AUP.
Of course it has to do with the AUP...it concerns what the 'U' in 'AUP' stands for.
The delay is a process in which you can submit something, that's implemented into the site, which as a user submitting something, you have no will to alter/change it. So no, it has nothing to do with what is an acceptable upload, for the acceptable upload policy.
Hell even 4chan has a light flood policy.
Just because one site has one thing, and the other doesn't, doesn't mean they need to implement it or remove added stuff.
People bitched, they got what they asked for, they can't bitch because they received it.
Users had a chance to say against it, no one did, so its moot. Point is, it's here, has nothing to do with the AUP, move on.
oh and make the age limit for porn 17 not 18. Just sayingBut legally you're not supposed to allow that... this is where it's the child/teen/whatever's part to lie about their age. Pretty much every child does it, unless they actually aren't interested in seeing sexual artwork.
In short, blah blah paranoia blah.
But you know... artwork of ponies, and that kind of stuff... is A okay.
End the end it doesn't really matter what the AUP says, because the admins seem to play their own games. They pretty much make up the rules anyways. Like for instance, what's the point of having a "select your characters gender" option and including things like other, transgender, hermaphrodite, ect but then telling that person that "This character has a penis AND breasts, so it's a herm (Actually transsexual). Your character's gender has been changed accordingly."
I love it when they tell me the gender of MY characters.
yes
A simple list of allowed and not allowed would work fine.
You know, a schematic, a list with two lines of words running down it?
Dear God...
So I don't see what FA has to hide or be disgusted about anymore, everyone knows the fandom is all ready damaged.
Hmm.
their point is that a huge site with a million times more users has a much simpler aup
ergo fa shouldnt need something huge
Changing the AUP wont really change the views for the worse or the better.
"You can please some of the people some of the time, but you cant please all of the people all of the time."
I think that's not helpful since you can't post videos here easily! Please fix!
Those asking for cub porn to be allowed: PLEASE just move to Inkbunny.
Cub porn is CHILD PORNOGRAPHY. It's ILLEGAL.
If you want child pornography, then you don't need to on Furaffinity asking for it.
it will save you and the rest of us a lot more time and embarrassment
and you might actually learn a thing or two - namely that youre wrong
Go to Inkbunny if you want that shit.
Fucking disgusting.
+300 Bans because of admin discretion
Like furaffinity.net/banners or something.
I'd like a standardized procedure for Mods to follow that allows for less personal objectification. Also, if there is a way to state the AUP in more complete and well-known, well-defined words....
tl;dr.
Basically, just give us a legally-approved AUP that uses the Clear Writing Act. Explain the esoteric words, descriptions, and ideas. Just break it down into sections, and hyperlink words for users to their wikipedia definitions.
this backlash is something else~
Sadly I have spent too much time away from my computer and my new submission list have grown.
but since youre not then dont expect anything
Nonsense aside, seriously. The AUP sucks, and if you want money, adhere to the smarter users and stop worshiping the general public. Fuck the general public, I have a 42-year-old CYNDAQUIL.
Yes, I am very much doing the sophisticated equivalent of trolling, which is... trolling.
Quit being so demanding. Damn.
This part, I think, needs clarification. You're only allowed to do one YCH at a time? You can't do say, one YCH and one auction? Or two different YCH's? Even if you move the original to scraps an upload different original advertisements for each?
none of that crap on fa period
this isnt a sales site
and they do a helluva better job than fa
theres nothing wrong with artists posting links to sales on other sites through fa
but putting up auctions and commission slots here is just a bad idea and the admins wont enforce playing fair
YCH = Your character here
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I like not having shit sliced up and thrown in my direction. Keeps my place clean.
I'm only poking my head in because I just want to say...
Chill out guys.
There's things that will be around that some will despise. There's admins that will fuck up in major ways. There will be debates out the ass over a particular phrasing in the AUP. In short, there will be a fuckton of things that many drama llamas and those that feed off it will rise to the occasion to fuck about and just....be stupid.
As much of a fun read as it is, I find it must be taxing to those who feel that putting their all into a website that we're not paying for (I most certainly haven't donated or anything, as I've got more important things to spend my money on. Like food), a free website...again I say, a free website...that gives us some freedom as to what we can post and that they do make an attempt to give us explanations as to what we can and cannot post.
I've got a few solutions for those who feel it necessary to whine, complain, and belittle those who have common sense and are actually asking the right questions in the right tone with the right frame of mind.
1. If you don't like it. Go somewhere else. Nothing is holding you here.
You might say you have friends and your favorite artist is on here or something to that degree. Well if that's the case...
2. Focus on your own shit. Let FA battle itself out. Let the good cancel out the bad and visa versa. Everything evens out in the end.
Oh, but you might feel as if you hold some...duty to clean up FA, or you feel that your voice needs to be heard otherwise the world of FA as we know it will end!
3. Get your evidence straight, do your research, actually take the time to focus and not reply on an emotional level. If FA is that important to you, then you need to take the time to really think about how your argument is going to sound, because if you fly off the damn handle, you'll look like a huge jack ass. No joke. You'll turn into the stuff of 4chan legend...and not in a good way. Humor will come at your expense, by those you most despise in the debate circles.
But you don't have time for that sort of thing you say? You really don't care what others think? Well good for you, you're such an indavidual. You clearly know better than everyone on the internet, specially those of us who have been around before it was even put out to the public (did you know I used to write letters? pen and paper? yeah, those were the days.) Well, since you're the almighty internet hero and you clearly know what's best...
4. You surely know better than I because, I couldn't keep my mouth shut. You're more than happy to sit back and let things ride out. You zip your lips and you just mind your own business because...really...no one wants to be sat down and told how stupid they are, and since you know better, you know that treating people like scum will not make things any easier in the long run. Sure, you'll have that brief gloating feeling that rises in the cockles of your...heart or something. But that high is short lived, and who wants to waste their time responding angrily to people who really don't matter in the end (because...really, you're SO much better then they are. Remember?)?
"Now Auro" you might say "You're being a class A bitch!"
I suppose I am. But, believe me when I say that the tone of this is actually pretty chillaxed and calm, and I'm not wagging fingers. I'm just spewing this all out as honestly as I can.
After years on the interwebs, I've noticed that there's one thing that hasn't changed.
No matter what you say, it'll be misconstrued by someone out there itching for a fight. So, if you're that person, come at me. I like a good debate.
Just don't hate me for being relaxed about it.
TL;DR?
Chill out. Relax. Know you're just part of the grand scheme of things, and not the grand scheme itself.
Things will blow over.
I promise.
-Auro
No cub art period or cub art links to other sites like IB and SF. no crops thats against the AUP too.
No Memes, stock images or anything as icons.
no self photos, this is not facebook go post your picture somewhere else. This also applys to ears and tails wearing, if you not in some sort of a fursuit head bro, your face has to be censored.
Allowing Chat logs and screen shots of chats when used as evidence against the user and not just off site, if it pertains to FA or their account and its said off site, their actions are still held liable. Tough shit.
An actual age system like linden labs has where it looks up your ID card number that you put in with your state ID and tells them your actual age. It works, believe me. LL knows when its someone 45 years or older with an account that looks like a 14 year old, so why not FA.
Stop Changing the AUP everytime you get butt hurt over something or everyones suddenly doing something you dont like, like SL, people have furries in SL, its a form of expressive art, even if they mod a generic fox with a skirt on it, thats their character, unlimited picture amounts dont limit it with it only being able to be placed in Scraps, this also being said, anything that looks child like or child shaped or smaller than a normal adult lets say under 5 feet.
Nothing child like or small shaped in terms of art, sorry cub lovers we all know you get away with this shit by labling something that looks like a child 18 years or older, yeah I'll believe these "everyone in the picture is 18 years or older" statments when hell freezes over.
or heres a better idea - make your own fucking art site
can only lick your own nutsack and dick so many times in a day before it gets sore
You're doing this to pass the time?
-Auro
I say self photos all the way!
I've bitten my tongue about it for awhile, and I hoped when the dude in question came under a bit of fire, he'd tone it down. And he did... but only for a couple days, at most. I log on today to see the same issue cropping up again.
I understand how messy limiting uploads can be, but can we at least get some guidelines, even if loose?