Sickens me that we as a society are able too put animals out of pain without their conscent, yet a full human adult is forced into un-needed suffering. On top of that you drag the families thru the entire process of the patients illness, which in turn fucks em up mentally for a good while.

EXACTLY!!!!

We put are dogs and cats to sleep as there sufering is to hard and unhuman.

Of course Snap others could not put areself out of are misery as it will demand consent from areself but trust me its better to have assisted suicide then to have to blow your head off whit a gun witch will traumatise your famely and not allow them for a warm final goodbye onthe video and CHUGING a bunch of pills could make you go in absolute atrochious suferings O.o


And yeah Raver i seen enought of my two grandfathers and my mother and dad that nerely both die in the hospital to know how crushing the slow proses is for us but ESPEACIALY for the person sufering innthat hospital bed.

Working with cystic fibrosis patients taught me that *hugs*

The right to end your own life should definitely be your choice, for those who would have a severe terminal illness and such.
The only thing that worries me though is that we will be able to keep the power heavily under watch.

If that power is not heavily regulated and is not treated with utmost security, I'd be afraid of doctors killing off the old, or those in comas, or even those who have maybe a 50/50 chance of living, simply to free up hospital beds or leave treatment for those who will survive better.
A doctor could easily pass it off as "they passed away in their sleep/their illness overcame them.

I'm with you on this case, but on one basis;
If assisted death is allowed, it must be heavily monitored to avoid that power going to those with ill intent.
It's already happened overseas in the Netherlands

In switcherland for 10 000 euros you can die the problem is you aint have to be terminaly ill. And as i said you must be terminely il, to my eyes.

Dont worry i know about your worries and i do fight for heavy monitering and it does demand concent and recheck of concent even during the act and a double check of a docter aswell. If you watch the documentaries youl found some answer aldaught there might be risk we cant teckniquely hold back all the good it can do for potential (Murders).

It will happend for sure as it does appends RIGHT now, of course Snap heavy monitering is demanded but in the end its about the choice.

ANd also to have the (Go) it must be done by two docters of diferent hospitals.

And, chukles, Snap no docters can tell someone YOU MUST DIE xD It is a PERSONAL demand that takes a LONG time to go throught O.o.... But yeah dont worry safety will be there but most of all CHOICES will be there *Hugs*

Whether it becomes legal or not, I will not live to the point I can't take care of myself. Being disabled to the point I NEED a caretaker to do next to everything for me is not living, its being forced to slowly die. Whether it will be called "suicide" in the future or not, I refuse to get to the point of what this subject touches on. I stand by you! :)

(Hugs the yellow fox)

I understand all too well. I would FAR rather make the choice for myself rather than have the weight of chosing for someone else if its time to stop the fight.


...once is enough for me.

I totally agree with you, coony. When someone's life is coming to an end because their body is failing piece by piece, and all they have to look forward to is suffering, pain, lost cognitive abilities, lost memories, etc., it makes no sense to prolong their suffering just for the sake of keeping them alive. It always seems those who want to impose their beliefs on the "sanctity of life" or whatever such crap on those who are terminally ill are never themselves facing terminal illness either personally or in their family. If they want to choose as much life as possible for themselves, then fine. They shouldn't impose that same policy on everyone in society. It doesn't benefit them or society at all when someone they don't know at all is suffering but not dying. The government should stay out of the doctor's office and let the doctors do their job to help the patient.

If someone with a terminal illness is living somewhere that assisted dying is outlawed, they should avoid treatment as much as possible. It's illegal in my state; many years ago my uncle's girlfriend was dying of multiple cancers. She went through chemo treatments, but all it did was make all her hair fall out and prolong a very agonizing life. In the end she was begging to die. The truly compassionate, humane thing to do would be for her doctor to prescribe or administer medication that would end her life. She was of totally sound mind in the end and therefore could have made the decision on her own. And since she wasn't comatose she suffered every moment of it until the end finally came.

I don't think I could ever have any part with taking a life, even for mercy.

I know my grandfather suffered when he passed, but he wasn't looking for a way out of the pain, he was trying to live. My then widowed grandmother fought cancer for three years afterward before passing, quite peacefully in her home, with both her children at her bedside.

I have, blessedly, not had to experience a loved one suffer while they waited to be taken away, so I do not know what it's like to have the option of assisted dying not available.

I can neither support the right for assisted death or oppose it. But what I can do, is respect what you support Zets.

And that a part about the video =)

The idea is not really to turn people to be for it but more to accept the choice of others as in true mather who do you own your life two or in other words, who own your life? if the answer is anithing else then you then you should ponder a bit more about it.

But i do apriciate your comment on the matter Gade =)

This is not about giving death whit your own hand. All people that demand assisted dyng just demand the material and takes them themself whit close supervision.

It takes very hard and strong personality to work whit the dyng witch i do right now and loose good people everyear. I for my part just strangely deal whit it and can go on a rave and be the best night of my life on the same night. There is still a debate in my mind if i am ither a cold basterd or just profetional but almost all profetional and psycologist and social worker i talk to say that i just have a way to deal whit it witch is rare and have good control on what i let in or out.

The point is is not about and easy way out but the result Bayly when you are diagnoses whit TERMINAL ilness there is ABSOLUTELY 0 way out and the final result is, you will die. The limit of when someone decide to die is great and trust me. There is no coward in this. Taking of your own life whit poison demands COURAGE or living true the pain demand COURAGE itself but people should have a choice to decide how they die when face whit TERMINAL ilness.

This is not about beleaving that what i say is right but to respect the right of people to decide to do what they want and not what others wants them to do.

Another comment after watching the documentary.

Zets this documentary is one that I will never forget, thank you for linking this, I haven't watched one on par with this is a very long time, it really touched me, again thank you.

Although a lot that was presented in this documentary is leading towards a positive for the assisted dying, it is rather well rounded, it shows a good number of ways, and keeps a very fair point of, "it should be their choice". It even shows issues in the presented criteria and mentions how things can improve from the way they are.
That said, regardless on how you feel about this subject, this documentary deserves a watch, not because it is for assisted dying, but because it shows a very beautiful story of two men whom I will never forget, and it will maybe help people see a different side to this issue.

=)

Trouble is *who plays god*?. The person suffering?. The doctor? The family?. The goverment?.
Add in we seem to be downright bastards to each other but can put a suffering animal down as a mercy is stunning. If i am hooked up to the coma machine with no recovery spare me the whining of * oh he has a long life ahead of him*. I am hooked to machines for the next 30 years, shown off by doctors and well meaning but clueless caregivers loudly saying im doing *just fine* and worse, sucking my family and society dry of money so i can spend life locked in my mindless shell.

HELL NO.

The fear rightly is once we let folks have the right some rotten bums will look at it as a loophole to start pushing the elderly and other *trouble patients* under the bus, and that we know has to be stomped on HARD. Of course making the penalty of death if caught offing folks to open up- beds, cost cutting, or worse insurance fraud should stop most of that..I hope.

Gaia bless and many chirr hugs
Pakesh_De
Chaircritter for Furnal Equinox

Assisted suicide is not okay for the simple reason it violates the Hippocratic oath to do no harm. What people do with their own lives is their own concern; however it's unethical to ask or to allow a medical health professional to assist in killing a human being.