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ok well i just copied this journal from my friends journal

fixed all links thanks for telling me :)

China will ignore any such petition but signed it anyway.

like i said below worth a shot and at least people will be aware of the issue

I agree with you, that is why I signed it.

thanks for signing :)

unsurprising really, some of their dishes there involve eating the animals alive (as in, while its still watching you eat it) frogs for example, and they dont bat an eye...

Is it cruel? horribly! can we do anything about it? afraid not. :\

I know but you know worth a shot at least

This has been around for years though sadly, so i guess they wont stop

figured as much though first time i heard of it

Really? Yeah i heard about it ages ago, proly a good 2-3 years ago

2-3 years ago i was more worried being just married lol

I've been in China and during my stay in one of the world's most unsanitary countries with a thick smog eclipsing any trace of a blue sky, there's virtually no intellectual property law of any kind and no divide between the wealthy and the impoverished. Outside of the elaborate Peninsula Palace Hotel I was staying in were poor people living in squalid shacks with very little in the way of furniture, clothing or toiletries. I was accosted constantly by people trying to sell me bootleg DVDs, watches, phones, jewelry and what have you. I bought a keychain at the Great Wall of China and it broke 1 day later.

One of the guys on the tour I was taking ventured into the slums and took photos of the insects, lizards, cats, dogs, and other assortments of creatures being sold as food. Although it's cruel, poverty is so dense there with so little policing of otherwise lawless bootlegging and grabbing to eat whatever they can off the street, to fight the Chinese in their cruelty to animals, I'm sorry to say, would be an exercise in futility. While I agree it's cruel, how do you reform an entire nation with no consideration for the law in the first place? I speak from experience as to what I saw firsthand when I visited there. While I saw many great vistas of beauty and wonder, I also saw a fair share of horrors I never thought I'd see.

Ok and its fine if the have to do things like that to eat i mean it sucks for the animals but making them suffer in a novelty toy is wrong.

I think if you actually set foot in China, you would realize the vastness of the problem and just how much people there don't consider animal cruelty to be an issue for them. PETA draws attention to it all the time, but they've only made a small fraction of a dent in a problem that continues to reproduce itself. While I agree it's cruel and horrid, it was everywhere when I was there and this is, I'm sorry to say, nothing new.

Oh and also, I went to a hot pot restaurant in China where they served live shrimp, which you had to pick up with chopsticks and cook yourself in a pot of boiling water. I'll never forget that experience.

I would actually love to eat shrimp like that a d i actually do not support peta i just posted this from my friend. Also i really dont want to go to china for many reasons.

Take it from me, I got so ill after eating at that hot pot restaurant I had to go to a Chinese hospital, which was really scary. Instead of going through clean, air-conditioned hallways, I walked into the doctor's office through a back alleyway full of trash. When I had to give a urine sample, I had to do it in the dirty janitor closet. What's more, when I was in the Wangfujing Bookstore, I entered a bathroom devoid of toilet paper, tissues, soap and the bathroom stalls had no doors on them. I saw 3 Chinese men crouched on the floor, taking a shit in the holes on the floor with no flushing system. I actually had to go from store to store to store before I finally found a box of kleenex. Thankfully the Peninsula Palace hotel I was staying in had a clean bathroom with toilet paper, and they provided bottled water to us, as we weren't allowed to drink their tap water unless we wanted to get what I ultimately became sick from anyway: the Montezuma's Revenge! I went to China in 2006, and I am still dealing now with a lifelong irritable bowel syndrome as a direct result of my trip to China. I went to several doctor's appointments and also had to have surgery at one point, to very little avail.

Don't go to China, but believe me when I tell you the poverty and unsanitary conditions there are entirely contributory to their disregard for humaneness to animals and their mutual disregard for intellectual property laws.

thats awful well thanks for the info though

On my first day in China, visiting Tianamen Square and then the forbidden city, I was accosted by a boy on a scooter with warped, swollen feet with a gaping hole in his ankle with flies buzzing in and out if it. I saw this with my own eyes. If you don't believe me, I have a picture of it I can send you. Although I was accosted by peddlers everywhere, even in Xi An where I saw the Terracotta Warriors firsthand, all of the physically deformed peddlers with missing or damaged limbs were congregated in Tianamen Square. It's still hard for me to fathom that I walked among the grounds where in 1989, thousands of student protestors were murdered by the Chinese military.

Ok and that sucks but i hate to tell you it has nothing to do with this situation. There are poor and hurt people everywhere it isnt easy seeing anything like that. But this isnt a pention to stop letting people get to that state it about not useing live animals to suffer for amusment.

It has everything to do wit this situation. There's poverty everywhere, yeah, but NOT like it is in China. There's no comparison to the poverty that exists in China (except for perhaps Myanmar (aka, Burma), which isn't too far away from China). That said, because of it's existence it has allowed for anything in the sky's limit to transpire. I want to add that most exotic animals people in the United States illegally import (snakes, tigers, elephants, hyenas, sharks, lions, etc.) from around the world come from China. After looking at the photos of the keychains themselves, and their shoddy workmanship assembled cheaply like all of their bootleg materials, it's no surprise that the Chinese will do anything for a dollar. This sort of thing is not new, but has been going on within their continent for decades. Once these keychains are vetoed, they will turn around and find some other way to exploit nature just to have some more money change hands. If you come to China with a pet cat and it escapes your apartment window, chances are by the time you realize it's gone, someone there will have snatched it up, cooked and ate it. That's just how their minds work. It's embedded in their blood. Until the deep rooted Hutong poverty is eviscerated from their country and democracy is enforced, they'll just continue to exploit for their own survival.

Also, this photograph here is how most people in China live: http://wanderingdanny.com/beijing/p.....702-hutong.jpg
That is what I saw almost everywhere I went in China.

Ironically, despite all this, if you yellow guy on Google Maps around parts of China (Eastern metro, anyway), you see a LOT of Mercedes and BMWs on the highways. Of course, I'm sure you have to get down in the nitty gritty residential areas to find the bad. I have heard about Shenzhen from a guy that was there to meet his to-be wife's family, about how the streets edges are riddled with garbage because of how their trash pickup is, stuff is tossed in the gutters and around 3am, trucks go around and huge dumpsters are rolled down the streets to pick up all the day's trash that ppl toss there, sometimes from their windows, and businesses never have bathrooms, so when people are not home, they go wherever they can. I'd have to say that isn't utterly healthy, and probably why people get infections like you spoke of.

Consumerist nations who get a lot of their products from China are paying hugely inflated prices for products, while people over there work 6-7 days/wk, 16-18 hrs day for what... 10% of the wages here (if that), barely affording to live, while their oppressive government hovers over their lives like a storm cloud. Poverty causes people to do anything for a Yuan, but it does not make it right. US corporations that move all the jobs over there are to blame, folks that make knockoff goods are to blame, folks that perpetuate this consumerist lifestyle are to blame, although until the consumer uses it great power to control the market, this cigar-smoking fat cats will never cease their evility to crush the world under poverty and debt.

The people of China are trying to fight for safe working conditions, more fair pay, and the like, although the government over there is doing anything to stop people from unionizing or otherwise banding together to fight as a group, and I'm sure the US gov/corps who stand to make money off the cheap labor over there are helping the Chinese gov keep that iron fist over the people. It is an all-around disaster, and this issue of harming creatures is but a piece of a huge puzzle. Crap... thinking about this is really pissing me off... I welcome anybody else to come get pissed off with me, though... we need more folks to say no to the BS they keep feeding us. I just hate to see animals be harmed because they don't have a voice (that can be heard/understood).

I feel more melancholy about the situation than anger. It will take many years with a lot of cleanup and eventual democracy (whenever it happens) to get China out of the toilet bowl it continues to swim in.

So long as it is actual democracy and not the kind of democracy that the US keeps trying to force on nations by military occupation.... *cough*Iraq*cough*

Have you been to communist China?

Canada's the only other country I been to when I drove up there.

I worry that if we wait a while, it'll get that way here.

This should truly outrage us here on this side of the ocean such as we STOP importing their goods IMMEDIATELY!!!! (of course, many items from there are US corps doing their manufacturing over there *grrrrrrrrr*)

This is sad, ridiculous, and just a plain disregard and lack of respect for living things. I would have almost more expected to see something like this in Japan as I would China due to their Americanized shallowness in a lot of their culture, although I'm sure China is incorporating their own version of Americanization (and mixing with their own beliefs in "fortune", etc). I never was even a fan of those Beta fish kept in those little tiny 3-4" bowls, but something like this... being carried around without food; that is mean.

Corporations are evil, they will do ANYTHING for money, and this is apparently another episode in truth, but you'd think somewhere a line would be crossed where the public stands up and says "you know what, we aren't buying this". If nobody will purchase it, they will cease to make it. This is sad... I want to fly over there RIGHT NOW and kick somebody's ass for the sake of those poor creatures, and put them in a jar without food.

At least someone agrees with me

I'd start to be wary of folks that don't agree. Although, that would be anybody who owns one of those (or would buy one if they could). *shudders at the thought*

I would buy them to set the animal free

Such a sweet dragoness. People always think I'm weird when I catch spiders and wasps in the house and toss them outside.

I never disagreed with your sentiment. I just think, based on my own personal observations firsthand, that it's an unfortunate losing battle.

Oh ok i misunderstood i sorry

Why sorry?

Cause i felt like i was being mean

You might've been a bit dismissive of my comments but certainly not mean. I don't like it anymore than you do, but I also think until that country forms a real democracy instead of it's communist military ruling, there's not much one can do to stop it.