To my knowledge. There isn't much said about how to handle a situation with a Dog. not saying what he did was right in my eyes. but to him, he felt his life was threaten and some people feel that dogs can kill them because of there teeth.
He should have done something different, they should have not resorted to it. but I feel things were already heated from the person they were arresting and they were in that zone. Its hard to tell what a human being does in situations where they feel they could die from something.
I totally agree with you. Saying "I hate cops for these types of things!" isn't really fair, as the dog WAS indeed a threat. The times where it gets really infuriating are when officers shoot dogs who are already apprehended and/or of absolutely no threat to them. But in this case the dog was lunging at the officers, and while it probably was solely to protect his master from the strangers, the officers felt threatened by such a large, intimidating dog. They could have done something differently, but as you said, they're human and they will do what they deem necessary when they feel they are in danger. It's heartbreaking either way, but these things happen so very often and it's usually 2 sides of the same coin, such as this one :(
Its hard to see sometimes. There is Many MANY what if situation. there is many ways to handle A situation. what is deemed right or wrong is based on perspective. To the person and to the others they felt it was right. plus you never know if the person who took the shot now feels terrible for doing something like that. Its hard to know what and when and how and whatever. Even if they were train on how to handle a dog the issue is still this. What if the dog was Friendly and doesn't know about the police or whats going on and just wants to see his person. then there is A) Police think its a threat and since its a quick 3 second situation felt they needed to protect there lives. or B) they are able to notice its friendly quickly and let it run up.
But for police who tend to risk there lives and never know if the people there are veterans of 5 to 10 years who have dealt with situations and terrible things. whatever it may be. WE Never truly know what they are thinking or going through. Its terrible to see lost of life cause I hate it but we never truly know what why or how in situations that could be the lost of someone. in 5 seconds. Thats how I see it.
While the dog was a threat to the officers as he was protecting his master, the guy did seem a little trigger-happy, as most of these types of videos show. Whenever a dog is involved, aggressive or not, usually the first line of defense is "Shoot it 4 times in the head! It's the only way to protect us!" Which is sad and unnecessary in my opinion. It's always heartbreaking to see these kinds of things happen. :c
According to the video, it was found disturbing for the reason that the dog was acting in self-defense (or as in defense to protect his rightful owner), without knowledge or understanding of what is going on with the situation between the owner and the police. However, under certain circumstances of reason why the cop shot the dog is within right of self-defense, and uncertain of how vicious the dog could get (based upon the dogs history of welfare and training).
Within hand knowing this, it could be both the owner and the dogs fault:
Owner's Fault: he did not roll up the windows high enough for the dog to only witness and stay put in a fair-ventilated vehicle, and, therefore, preventing this kind of incident.
Officers Fault: Officer was within jurisdiction to cease the viciousness of the dog, but a legal decision at how his judgement played in this could've been fatal, and there would've been another way to prevent the situation from turning it into a public disgrace, and going viral.
All in all, it's based on public opinion and court decision, because this is controversial by moral and state law's that defend animal rights.
Cops are trained to shoot any dog they believe to be an aggressive threat. This is to protect the officers on scene, as many dogs can cause a lot of damage if aggressive. If you watch the video the officer that shoots the dog, doesn't do so right at first. He only does so when the dog jumps up at him. This is one of the reasons it's important to train your dogs not to jump on people, or to come unless called. It's possible this dog was trying to defend his owner, as dog's don't understand situations like this.
I really love animals, so any time I see something like this is makes me upset. That being said, when you work as a police officer you risk your health all the time. When you get placed in to harmful situations, you have to make choices. Sometimes they are choices like this: Do I want my arm broken/torn up or not?
I worked at a law firm for some time that dealt with PD and FD cases. Sometimes stuff like this came up. When it comes to dogs, and having to shoot them it's always in the cop's favor.
The guy also should have secured in his dog inside the vehicle, tied the leash to the seat, closed the windows enough to keep the dog from exiting, etc.. Also, he should have told the cop that he needs to make sure someone takes care of the dog, takes it back home or something within a very timely manner.
You're acting like he had time to do all this. The police were flagging him down, ever stop to think he put his dog in the car because he knew the animal was down-right vicious? And, when a police officer is flagging YOU down, you do not turn your back for a second. Some will count that as "resisting arrest".
He panicked and he didn't have time to do any of this.
It's too bad we really can't hear what was being said. Did the guy ask the officers what to do, and was he allowed to properly secure his dog? If not, he may have a major lawsuit on his hands. Maybe that should be a plan, go to your city council meetings and discuss what kinds of rules should be implemented, when someone who has a dog is arrested. Maybe that's what's needed, rules for both the police, and the dog owner. Because even the most well trained dog, might regard an owner being handcuffed as an assault, and may respond accordingly.
What probably should have happened, is the officer should have requested that he stand still, and had him wait, as they called animal control. Animal control would than arrive, hoop the dog, and take the dog to the shelter to be boarded. Than after the guy was booked, or whatever, and gets out on bail, or a citation, then he can get his dog back.
Lethal force seems to be the first and most popular option for police these days--doesn't matter whether it's a dog or a human--if the officer is even remotely threatened, kill it and ask questions later.
~refuse to watch as i know Xavier would do the same~ HOWEVER i see the cops point of veiw "training" as well as someone who was trained to be a marine/ cop they r trained that ANY threat u feel ur life is in danger u shoot first anser later
The dog was vicious? He specifically attempted to lundge at the police officer.
Rottweilers are guard dogs, and when they want to kill, they will. Their bite force is worse than a pit bull.
I'm sorry, I'm on the police officer's side.
Anywhere in America, if a dog bites a human in an aggressive manner, it is subject to euthanasia. That dog attempted not once, but 3 attempted times to attack the police officer.
When the final time, at 3:23, the dog reared up at went for the police officer's forearm, the officer had no choice but to react in that manner.
What do you expect? That dog could've ripped his arm off. Rottweilers are one of the most aggressive large dog breeds. Next is the german shepherd, the third is the pit bull. - when it comes to american statistics.
Just because I am on the police officers side does NOT mean I am anti-animal rights. That's just being ignorant. I do NOT support an ill mannered dog - What if that dog behaved that way near a child? What do you suppose could've happened? What if you were near that guy and that dog saw you as a threat, and tried "protecting" his owner?
And you don't have a gun.
Tl;dr, Cops had all the right to do what they did.
Dogs can really fuck someone up. Was his dog trained to attack people? It is a rottweiler, and even though the owner locked him in a car, he was putting the dog in danger by walking around and antagonizing the police, which in turn triggered the reaction of the cop shooting the dog. The dog is trained to protect his owner, and judging from the type of neighborhood, it knows how to do that.
HOWEVER, the situation, from what I gather, was something created by the cops. Why were the cops there? Why did they arrest the man in the first place, thus provoking the dog?
Before we jump on the "COPS ARE EVIL AND SICK POOR DOGGY" train, we need to think about the entire picture. Did the cops have a right to be there? Did they have the right to arrest the guy? There are too many questions that a one minute youtube video cannot answer.
Yes but why. The situation was enough to get an entire neighborhood outside. It also seemed to me that the owner was provoking the officers in some form, but were they just. I honestly hate taking sides on issues until I know the full story. There has to be a news article on this that can cast further light on the issue.
Exactly. But what the hell was the guy with the dog doing antagonizing the police in the first place? He basically knew he was going to be arrested by doing that. Obviously his dog flipped its shit at the cop.
im with the cops on this. rots are really agressive. in my neighborhood you cant even own one due to how agressive they are. i love animals and this breaks my heart but that happend happened and i dont hate cops because of it.
This situation is a bit on the side where the officers might be in the right, but I've been following these for a few years now and have a biased against the cops where in more situations than one have broke in to houses on a 'drug raid' and killed the dogs for no reason, quite a few cases where the dog was running away in fear. And guess what? That drug raid happened to be on the mayor of the city who was completely clean! Dumbasses
They were in a hostage situation when the man in question rolls up, blaring music and is with his dog... They were on a megaphone walking the suspect and victim out of the house when he rolled up.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ffwxaTpJTyI&feature=youtube_gdata_player He began to yell at the police officers (insulting them, calling them obscenities and other stuff from what I'm told) and then all that shit went down. Also, keep in mind, that dog is big and "buff' (as the person filming points out.) so no. He was not arrested for filming. And it was the owners fault for bringing his dog out like that.
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Absolutely gives me another reason to hate cops.
He should have done something different, they should have not resorted to it. but I feel things were already heated from the person they were arresting and they were in that zone. Its hard to tell what a human being does in situations where they feel they could die from something.
but...wow..
But for police who tend to risk there lives and never know if the people there are veterans of 5 to 10 years who have dealt with situations and terrible things. whatever it may be. WE Never truly know what they are thinking or going through. Its terrible to see lost of life cause I hate it but we never truly know what why or how in situations that could be the lost of someone. in 5 seconds. Thats how I see it.
Within hand knowing this, it could be both the owner and the dogs fault:
Owner's Fault: he did not roll up the windows high enough for the dog to only witness and stay put in a fair-ventilated vehicle, and, therefore, preventing this kind of incident.
Officers Fault: Officer was within jurisdiction to cease the viciousness of the dog, but a legal decision at how his judgement played in this could've been fatal, and there would've been another way to prevent the situation from turning it into a public disgrace, and going viral.
All in all, it's based on public opinion and court decision, because this is controversial by moral and state law's that defend animal rights.
I really love animals, so any time I see something like this is makes me upset. That being said, when you work as a police officer you risk your health all the time. When you get placed in to harmful situations, you have to make choices. Sometimes they are choices like this: Do I want my arm broken/torn up or not?
I worked at a law firm for some time that dealt with PD and FD cases. Sometimes stuff like this came up. When it comes to dogs, and having to shoot them it's always in the cop's favor.
He panicked and he didn't have time to do any of this.
What probably should have happened, is the officer should have requested that he stand still, and had him wait, as they called animal control. Animal control would than arrive, hoop the dog, and take the dog to the shelter to be boarded. Than after the guy was booked, or whatever, and gets out on bail, or a citation, then he can get his dog back.
Rottweilers are guard dogs, and when they want to kill, they will. Their bite force is worse than a pit bull.
I'm sorry, I'm on the police officer's side.
Anywhere in America, if a dog bites a human in an aggressive manner, it is subject to euthanasia. That dog attempted not once, but 3 attempted times to attack the police officer.
When the final time, at 3:23, the dog reared up at went for the police officer's forearm, the officer had no choice but to react in that manner.
What do you expect? That dog could've ripped his arm off. Rottweilers are one of the most aggressive large dog breeds. Next is the german shepherd, the third is the pit bull. - when it comes to american statistics.
Just because I am on the police officers side does NOT mean I am anti-animal rights. That's just being ignorant. I do NOT support an ill mannered dog - What if that dog behaved that way near a child? What do you suppose could've happened? What if you were near that guy and that dog saw you as a threat, and tried "protecting" his owner?
And you don't have a gun.
Tl;dr, Cops had all the right to do what they did.
HOWEVER, the situation, from what I gather, was something created by the cops. Why were the cops there? Why did they arrest the man in the first place, thus provoking the dog?
Before we jump on the "COPS ARE EVIL AND SICK POOR DOGGY" train, we need to think about the entire picture. Did the cops have a right to be there? Did they have the right to arrest the guy? There are too many questions that a one minute youtube video cannot answer.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ffwxaTpJTyI&feature=youtube_gdata_player He began to yell at the police officers (insulting them, calling them obscenities and other stuff from what I'm told) and then all that shit went down. Also, keep in mind, that dog is big and "buff' (as the person filming points out.) so no. He was not arrested for filming. And it was the owners fault for bringing his dog out like that.