Unfortunately the self-righteous mindset is encouraged with most christians. I've heard it time and time again in sermons: "People opposing your view and saying you're wrong are just misled by satan", "God hardened their hearts.", "They just don't see their sinful ways yet, it's up to you to convince them otherwise.", "Being a christian means that what we know is absolute truth and we are mocked and hated because they don't want to see." "It's all just false idols, false facts, false truths to try and take away from people knowing the glory of God." "Their feelings don't matter if their soul is at stake." "People telling you different from what the church and your parents taught you are just lies from the devil"

People don't seem to get that GOD is the one who decides what's right and wrong in the end, not them, or their pick-and-choose agenda they pulled from a 2,000 year old book. At the end of the day it's also between God and the individual, God knows their heart, their situation, and their life better than some bigot with a hateful protest sign, so they should keep their nose out of it. Sure, talk about God's love and stuff people will either listen or they wont, but no one should ever mistaken themselves to be the mouth piece of God when it comes to what he might think about someone elses personal choices.

God gave us free will for a reason, a gift, and I find it incredibly disrespectful to him when we turn around and try and take his gift from other people on grounds of feeling uncomfortable by how they live their life. Why people can't be satisfied with sticking to their own moral beliefs instead of forcing it on others is beyond me.

Sorry that was kinda OT and rantish >>'

Oh, it's imposed on Christians, I grew up with an entire family that way. It took me a little bit before I realized I have the freedom to break away and develop my own views. In doing that, I was able to help another family member or three realize that the standard mindset is not how we, as Christians, are supposed to be. My uncle still tried so firmly to claim that he loves me while typing furiously through Facebook about how black my heart is, how hateful it is, because of being pro-choice and equal rights for everybody. How I need to read more scripture to see the truth, as if I'm the one that's oblivious to it. He doesn't understand that this sort of mindset drives people away from God, as it's done to me and my siblings, and causes a higher chance of depression and suicide in religious families. Especially because oh, God forbid an unwed teenage daughter become pregnant or their child decide to come out of the closet. And this is meant to be the compassion of God, mind you.

They can't even listen if you tell them that what you do is between you and God, not them and God and you. They figure that if they actually act like Jesus, that they're entitled to make the same rules as Jesus, which essentially is making them believe that they're as powered as Jesus just 'cause they're Christian. Which really, that's way too boastful and prideful, and that's something that's another no-no in the Bible. Pick and choose sins, decide your neighbor's sin is worse, cast them down to bring yourself up. That's exactly what Jesus DID NOT TEACH that they go ahead and do anyway. If you REALLY want to be treated like that yourself, however, since the Golden Rule is treat your neighbor as you'd like to be treated, then whatever floats your boat I suppose. I would think that God is more worried about how the people He created are treating each other rather than if somebody under a stressful circumstance aborted their child (especially because he's watching that poor girl step out and how those protesters will attack her) or if a couple who loves each other wishes to marry. Those tend to be beneficial actions, and no love comes out of a person that's throwing stones and screaming at another for what they've done.

There is no compassion, or love, or understanding, coming from a person fueled by the scare-tactics of the Bible and hate. (Even my uncle seemed to stress about the lake of fire and all this while trying to preach to me. I told him I'd rather go to hell if it meant seeing people happy.)

I 100% agree with that. It defeats the purpose of us having this wonderful gift, as it helps us learn and explore and grow when we open up our minds to it. Instead, people think that they know what's BETTER for people than what their GOD created for them? It's pretty mindblowing how entitled these people think they are. What these people think they do is "merciful", filled with "good intentions", "loving" and whatever else.

The road to hell is paved with good intentions....

Oh no, please feel free to discuss it with me and share your thoughts! I'm curious as to what others think. I ranted right there along with you LOL

Pretty much all of that. Everything that sounds even remotely opposing to a view or when you diverge from the church they all chalk it up to being the work of satan or demons or the flesh :T. I'm sorry your uncle treats you like that, my family isn't that extreme but they are pretty bad- especially my stepdad- though I think he's thankfully sympathetic towards women's rights a little since he's been a cop and has seen the impact of poverty and children in terrible situations as well as rape victims. I can't have an open discussion of my views in my house though, that's for sure, and I can tell my mom thinks I'm going astray and such. It's frustrating, when you have what's essentially the catch-all christian version of "haters gonna' hate" it's almost impossible to get through to them. Because everything you say can be dismissed as misguided words because of worldly/satanic influences. I'm glad I saw it for the excuse it was and did my best to treat people well.

Oh lookie.. That journal by Sparky is suddenly gone, with no apology and basically acting like it never happened. All the while people are still supporting her saying they respect her opinion, but they don't get the point. I don't think I could respect someone who likens me and others, potential and actual customers, to a murderers, criminals, Nazis (how could anyone?). She also created fallacious arguments using late term abortions to apply to all abortions, misrepresented and skewed the pro-choice movement, calling it 'anti-life' or 'pro-abortion' or whatever.

I respect that she has an opinion as well, I don't respect that she went out of her way to impose it on other people like that and trying to FORCE them to change their views while reading propaganda material to do so.

Everybody's gonna have their different views. I'm a Christian, I'm friends with many Atheists. It's an entirely different matter when somebody is curious about your views, you're curious about theirs, and you can in the end have an agree to disagree moment. To blow off everybody else and say "I'm right, you're wrong, that's all that there is to it." she's being quite the rather ignorant hothead who doesn't know what in the hell she's talking about. Sure, she *could* be right, but avoiding to actually explain HOW simply further proves that she's wrong and lacks information severely.

It's not even that common for somebody to use a late term abortion and that makes no sense whatsoever to base your argument off of that alone while trying to claim that there's less likely to be an abortion resulted from a rape case??? Really? Come on. I can understand most of those cases are UNREPORTED as rape but even so.

It's very much true that a person like that is considered pro-birth rather than pro-life. She wouldn't want the taxes to go up because there's more lives that need homes, food, clothing, education, etc. I doubt that on a regular basis she goes out of her way to donate to charities, orphanages, what have you. She, as a standard Christian, thinks that she's playing her part when she condemns others for the actions they make and works harder to pray the sin out of them. Because that's TOTALLY what Jesus taught Christians to do.

I honestly wouldn't care if it were just an opinion either- but she insinuated that one of the people who shared their story was a murderer, told a rape victim that if she got pregnant from it that it was "something good" and that she should be forced to carry it, and behaved in a horrendously ill-informed and churlish manner towards the folks who commented (mostly civilly I might add) with well thought out information. To be honest I have yet to see a good pro-life argument- it's a very knee jerk reaction I think- which is understandable seeing that it is a rather sickening process to think about. It's incredibly misguided to think that folks who get abortions are happy about it.

I feel if people were truly pro life they'd be fighting to preserve the lives already here - including the millions of down-trodden, starving, and diseased folks that inhabit this world. But no, they just care about cute little babies. We should be concerned about cradle to grave care, not uterus to vaginal opening care. Or at least that's how I feel about it.

I will give you this awesome quote I got from the user elaienar on tumblr, as this is one of THE best pro-choice arguments I have seen. Sorry, it's a very large post, but it's a very good read.

I don’t mind controversy, so I’ll address this no problem. You’re trying to frame this in the context of punishment, which is a straw-man argument (and yeah, you’re absolutely arguing with my stance on abortion). This isn’t about punishment.
What we’re saying is that human beings have a right to decide what happens to their own bodies, even if that decision results in the death of someone or something else. For example, by law, you cannot be forced to donate one of your kidneys or part of your liver to someone who needs it. You cannot be forced to give blood. Even if you are the only person with a certain blood type and your refusal will mean the death of someone else - maybe a family member, maybe your child - if you refuse, that is your right as a human being and no court can prosecute you for murder. You, and only you, are the final arbiter of what happens to your body, and if you decide the risks are too great, the right to refuse to help is absolute.
What you are implying is that bodily autonomy ought to be less important than saving someone’s life; that a fetus, or a human being, should be given the opportunity to live at the expense of other people’s bodily autonomy.
So put it into context. You have a kidney that’s a perfect match to someone in the hospital - let’s call him Fred - who will die in the next week if he doesn’t get it. For your own personal reasons, you do not wish to have your kidney removed. Your reasons aren’t material to this particular argument, but they can range anywhere from your phobia of hospitals to your allergy to most kinds of anesthesia, to a history of kidney disease in your family that may mean you will need that extra kidney one day or to the simple fact that you do not wish to give this kidney at this time. The point is: you do not consent.
If life is considered more important than bodily autonomy, then the law can force you to be taken to the hospital against your will, be sedated against your will, cut open against your will, and have your organ removed against your will. You may be tied down to the bed; you may be locked in a room and not allowed to leave until you agree to the operation. You may be shown tapes of Fred and his family over and over and over again. But however it happens, it happens without your continuous consent. This isn’t Fred’s fault - he doesn’t even know you exist, he has no idea that this is happening, and maybe he would be horrified if he knew and would ask them to stop. But it’s happening because life, in this universe, is more important than bodily autonomy. Namely, Fred’s life is more important than your bodily autonomy.
Now put yourself back in the world we live in - you still have that kidney that’s perfect for good ol’ Fred in the hospital who needs it within a week, otherwise he’ll die. If you refuse, for whatever reason, the result is that Fred does, in fact, die. But Fred has not been punished, Fred wasn’t given a death sentence. The decision you made had nothing to do with punishing Fred; it was about your health, your body, your life. Certainly people might be angry that you didn’t give Fred the kidney that he needed, but just because he needed it to survive did not mean he had a right to it that trumped yours. No matter what reason you had, your bodily autonomy was more important than his need.
Now, if you think that the world where life should be more important than bodily autonomy is the one we ought to live in, then we’re going to have to just agree to disagree, because I find that a fucking Orwellian nightmare of the highest order.
If, however, you agree that it’s better that we live in a world where someone else doesn’t get to make the decision about what happens to you based on the need of some third person, then I’d like to welcome you to the pro-choice movement, because congratulations - you’re pro-choice.

Wow, that is a pretty amazing argument, I do think though that life and bodily autonomy kind of intermingle at times- as in you need autonomy over your body in a situation because not having it means your death- or it means that other people are toying with your life against your will.

I should've put that in quotations to remind people I don't take credit for that post it does go to elainar as stated :c