you looking for free to play or what?

I don't usually mind paying. $15 for a month is not bad at all.

well you could try eve online but it's a game you would need to spend time on. There is also mechwarrior online which is very fun to play with friends. The i can suggest world of tanks (aka world of rage lol) I can say the the game is fun but can be soul crushing at times when you get the bad teams and other things happen.

if you decide to try either 3 of them out I play all of them and would love to help you specially if you try eve but those are my suggestions

Final Fantasy 14 is coming out at the end of august! :D I'll be playing, along with my whole old Linkshell [guild] from FF11! We'll all be transferring over.

http://www.finalfantasyxiv.com/

Hmm... Might be something to consider. Looking into it now!

hmmm i can suggest only a couple that I have fun with.

Games I have fun with

WoW (with all expansions) : Level Cap of 90, hard Story to follow, Tons of Content, Raids, Dungeons, 12 classes to choose from, Multiple Professions.

SWTOR (With expansion) : Level cap of 55, amazing story, all quests are voice acted, 8 classes to choose from each with their own story, Dye Clothes option, Adaptive armor which means say if you like the looks of your armor and dont want to change it all you have to do is take the mods out of a higher level geared object and put those mods into the gear and it will automatically make that old gear say...level 50 gear when it starts out as levle 10.

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Games coming out that I think are worth mentioning.

Elder scrolls online

yeah, IMO SWTOR is more fun, but it barely has any end game content in it atm

ah I didnt know he played WoW XD

I did play SWTOR for a while there and got two characters to max level even before they went Free to play. You're right in that there is nearly no end game. And to be honest, I kinda want to distance myself from EA these days, as petty as that seems.

http://co.perfectworld.com/

I've been playing this for over 3 years now. Yes, you can be a dragon that shoots lasers from his eyes. It also has a nice (non-erotic) roleplaying community.

It's free2play so why not give it a try?

And here's my character, Hun-Tra, just to show off: http://i.imgur.com/NGdchH2.png

I play this too.

I did try Champions Online for a month or so, and it was pretty neat, but super heroes aren't exactly what I was looking for. :)

Rusty Hearts?

Looks interesting, though a little to arcadey and anime-y for what I'm looking for. Thanks for the suggestion, though! Never heard of it before now!

I dunno if "arcadey" is the right term, but it's definitely got an anime influence. I don't really know what else to suggest, though; I'm not too big on MMOs

uh it really depends what mmo you're looking for unless you're really open to anything really. i'm going back to wow but sadly i must look for a guild that is to my liking or so, with people that know wtf they're doing even though it can be casual but the guild i was in, was casual and was number one horde guild on the server for progression. which was funny yet sad cause we were progressing better then these "hardcore" guilds.

Star wars the old republic. has a free to play option, a 'preferred' status is you get anything at all from the real money shop which opens a bunch of baseline features, and a subscription bonus of free 'store credit' for the real money shop every month.

It doesn't have a lot of end-game content, however, so there's not a lot to do when you cap out.

Old Republic is worth checking out if you like a big focus on personal storyline and are fond of the Star Wars setting.
Star Trek Online is quite nice, all things considered, especially for the Star Trek fans.
World of Tanks is good if you're a tank fan and want to just blow stuff up.

There's also Secret World, which is a bit of Cthulhu Mythos mixed with tons of conspiracy theories and other such fun stuff. Illuminati, Templars, magic, tentacles, vikings, ninjas... on the downside, you have to actually buy it first, as opposed to the other three examples, which are free to play.

Though Old Republic's worth the subscription, in my mind.

Old republic was good, though after the first character, you already have done half the involved story line for them since there are class and planet based stories. (Still better than most games though!)
STO was interesting, I tried it for a few weeks when it first came out. Really clunky, but neat, but I lost interest. :(
Not a huge tank fan really, still might be something to look at!

Another one to perhaps look into. I'm not really into the conspiracy/occult stuff, but it might make for a fun change of pace!

Never knew about that site! Thanks!

Guild Wars 2 is the shiz

http://angryjoeshow.com/2012/09/gui.....-angry-review/

GW2 does look kinda interesting...

You could try Planetside 2 if you want a fun PvP MMOFPS, otherwise I'd suggest Tera for it's amazing combat system, The Secret World for its awesome quests that require you to think and its story, Guild Wars 2 is alright, I think some furs still play it if you want to play with furs...
I think that's all I liked that is out at the moment.

I played Planetside 2 for a couple of months before I finally got fed up with all the bugs and glitches. I was really tired of the game crashing on me every fifteen minutes, especially when in the middle of a pitched battle. If they ever fix up the (plentiful) bugs with it, I might take another look.

And playing with furs isn't neccesary, I'd rather play with people I know. :P

Played GW2, found it grindy and repetitive. Quit after 3 weeks and got a refund.
Tried SW:ToR as well. Same deal - Found it grindy and repetitive. Quit after 3 days of playing it. Cancelled sub.

I mostly play solo stuff these days, aside from raiding on WoW. MMOs just... don't tend to grab my interest.

I find it curious that you label both GW2 and SWTOR as grindy, but favor WoW which implements heavy use of grinding through gear requirements. BUT I imagine you probably have a bit of personal investment in the game so perhaps that's why you prefer it. I fell out of love with WoW a few years ago because it just seemed like the same old grindy stuff with new and shiny textures and models. But to each their own!

I fell out of GW2 myself after enjoying the hell out of it. No subscription and a lot of monthly released content to explore. It's lacking in the endgame content for those who are looking for raiding and stuff, but it has a nice balanced mix of pve and pvp content. Its good all around and you don't feel obligated to play or rush through it thanks to the lack of a sub fee. Only downside is that aside from the monthly events, there isn't much beyond cosmetics to keep you coming back once you've explored everything. But its kind of a refreshing change from feeling like you have to keep playing.

(PS I kindof used this to respond to Sky and you at the same time)

Well, raiding isn't grindy to me! I don't participate in the 'grinding' portions of the game. Reputations? Coudln't care less. Daily quests? Eh. Now, end-game heroic raiding.. THAT appeals to me, so that is what I do!

Most people in GW2 who reach endgame tend to do WvW, which is, in my opinion, lots of fun. And I'm someone who doesn't even like PvP all that much.
And also, GW2 has enough to do and revisit, as well as updates every 2 weeks now, that if you are truly out of new stuff to try, you probably played way too much.

I've gone back to do a few of the events! Lions arch was super shiny and from what i hear they've got a cool reward achievement system or something running too. The biggest issue I run into is that its still build on the same mechanics - so while the environment of the event is really awesome, it still has you running around doing collect a, talk to b, go to c, and it feels like a shiny coat of paint on the same grindy quests.

Don't get me wrong I loved the game and still think its pretty cool, it just doesn't give me enough meaty content to bite back into. A few cosmetic items, achievements, and a free piece of gear just doesn't feel worth it to me now that I've explored most of the dungeons and zones. Perhaps I rushed through it all too quickly when the game first came out.

Well I play final fantasy 14 realm reborn's beta. I'm impressed. A bit grindy, but rather complex but I like that.

Stupid cellphone. Anyway... Itfelt a bit grindy at times, but the class system is pretty complex. Player houseing in the projected future. Crafting is really deep and all crafting professions feed one another. Same with gathering into professions. But you can be all professions and gathering. Cross class spells are intresting as you level multiple classes on one character. You can be and so everything if you put the time and effort to it.

It looks neat, though to be honest, the fact that all the races are slight variations of human is a little disappointing (same gripe with SWTOR). I know FF traditionally has had more 'out there' races and I'm just a tad disappointed to see that lack of variety.

Not that I would garunteed play one, but the variety would be nice, you know?

eh true, be nice if there was a bit more variety, but some races are very specific to their "universes" in final fantasy. They basically are using the races from the previous FF11, which isn't that unsurprising. Be interesting if they added Bangaa or some of the others, but FF has always been more "human-centric"

I'm not saying go out and blindly buy it :p just gave my impressions. phase 4 beta should be around august 8th which is open beta if your wanna give a swing at it. other wise if it's not your cup of tea it's not. *shrug* hah.

Guild Wars 2.

Ehmry Bay server has a massive number of furries. (Myself included)

No monthly fee.

The presence of furries are really a non-factor for me. I usually keep myself on the downlow, even with other furs around. ;)

It's all good. Didn't know one way or another so I figured I'd let you know.

Guild Wars 2 is what you want to look into. There is a furry guild on Tarnished Coast (Unofficial RP server) named Tail Swishers. You'll probably be right at home in there.

Tarnished Coast represent!

Hah. I haven't had much luck with RP servers, to be honest.

What luck is there to have? I don't RP a whole lot myself either but even if you don't there are some definite perks. RP servers tend to be the most populated so finding someone for a dungeon or a new event is always easy. They populate the world and add life to it, elsewhere all of the bars and streets are bare except for NPCs. Best of all, it is where the vast majority of the furs tend to gather. I started out on a different server and transferred to Tarnished Coast only to find that a fur on there lived half an hour away from me. We never would have met and hung out if it wasn't for that server.

Avoid Final Fantasy 14

Guild Wars II is pretty solid

Spiral Knights and Haven and Hearth are completely free, downloadable niche MMOs that you could poke around with.

avoid FF14... yet give no argument why. nice. lol.

I say that based on the incredible development time, failed original, culturally insulated design, and general lack of innovation in both mainstream Japanese MMOs in general and FF14's reputation in particular!

the initail issue was related to the team lead having never in his entire time done a MMO. that's a big set back.

In terms of innovation there is "shit" to innovate with MMO's and anyone that says they are innovative just sprinkled some scented water on teh shit.. Sadly it all comes down to play style and investment.

Neverwinter drove me nuts. it was a sit down and wait... or pay money to get stuff done. To many currencies I mean really why even have gold when everything is done in astral diamonds?

WoW? I quite it after 8 years ONLY because all my friends had quit and ONLY because I'd lost my investment in the game when I was told I'm back seat shut up your not raiding unless we randomly need to fill a spot.

SWTOR, wasn't bad, but honestly the everything is voiced got old... and most of the time boring. Also geeing to max level and then being told "yeah... about your hopes and dreams of being a tank? NOPE! Reroll and level the same character again only this time choose the other type and you may get invited to a party and have fun!" also the lack of LFG pretty much pissed me off as I have odd hours and would spend all my time yelling for groups.

Guild wars? Watched the yogscast play it, did some research, and basically didn't touch it. Didn't like how it looked, didn't like the back-story.

Secret World? Didn't touch it. I read about, thought it was interesting, but at the time I wasn't just not into modern fantasy horror. Also wasn't to sure about their "class" system. If they'd offered a free download that disabled itself after a month before buying the game I'd have given it a chance.

Wildstar? Comical... I like how they present the game, but it appears to be a somewhat heavy PVP style game and I hate PVP. I may still try it, but I'm more set on FF14.

FF14 reminds me of my old play experience with Star wars Galaxies, only with less stupidity. My beta experience was positive coming from someone that's picky about games. It also offer's some very in-depth and interesting crafting and gathering AS "classes" that gain abilities as you level, however unlike the original you can't start as one of the crafting classes. overall my play time in beta lead me to a very fun and enjoyable experience. Granted it's not everyone's cup of tea, but you sound like you've formed all your opinions on the thoughts of another. I wasn't all that interested in FF14 from my first MMO experience with FF11. FF11 was the most godawful community and game experiences I had ever had in an MMO when it first came out. The beta invite to FF14 gave me the chance to change my opinion.

I suppose after FF7 everyone's been a bit "miffed" at final fantasy in general. God forbid anyone "ruin" that experience. And my first true game that I played with a PASSION was FF7, so don't think I hate the game. It lead me down a LONG road of very happy gaming as it and Chrono Trigger rekindled my love for RPG's in high school, but I think to many people want that FF7 "experience" from Final fantasy... and sadly you can't go back to being an awkward teenager so you can play a modern game and get that "moment" again. And by moment I mean that DEFINING moment... that game, that passage in a book, that scene in a movie, or that comic book that defined that element of a person... that lit the fire so to speak. It's like the "wow syndrome" and people saying "wow is superior cause it's wow and it's the awesomest game ever!" only you can replace wow with any game that appeals to a person that they will go to every-time... that they will play and play till even they don't know why they play it... but they keep coming back.

Though sadly I'll just get a TL;DR or no response.

"There is shit to innovate with MMOs" how wrong you are! It seems that way because the genre is creatively stagnating, at least when it comes to the mainstream MMOs (many of which you mentioned). But Haven&Hearth, Spiral Knights, EVE Online, DayZ, are a few gems that come to mind. All vastly different from each other, and from WoW. There is limitless innovation possible when it comes to massively online worlds; companies are just terrified of doing it. They want to milk the decrepit old WoW cow instead of taking risks. Ironically, they fail and lose money BECAUSE that cow is so dead.

I'm glad that FF14 reminds you of happy times you had in the past. It seems to be the reason most people play that game.

would say Everquest 2 but i might be laughed at, not sure how the population is actualy doing. but is one of the very few games to have playable lizards. granted will be anouncement for the new MMO by SoE comeing up next month

another i play aside from WoW and guild wars 2 is Rift. not to bad of a MMO. but to be honist i dont really play the later three very much due to time reasons. kinda hard to juggle multiple MMO play time.

I'm not a huge fan of the Iskar, myself. And I knew a few people who did Rift and they all fell out of it about two weeks after it launched. Not sure what the deal was, but maybe I'll get some of their opinions on that.

is also the sarnak when it comes to scales in EQ2

While it is fun for a little while. Guild wars 2 is an option. Pretty simple to pick up and feels very casual until you do explorable dungeons. Everything else in game is fairly easy thanks to there not being defined roles like a tank, dps, or healer. Since everyone is responsible for their own healing, and can also have area heals.
Pretty much, there is no right or wrong way to do your character, Say you want a lot of crit, you go for it. Want to be a bunker with a lot of toughness and health, you can. Focus on condition damage, welcome to.
It was a fun game, but not exactly one you play for hours on end. Takes a little while to get maxed out level wise. AH isn't super bloated cost wise, andthe pvp in it is a few areas to explore as well. But you kinda gotta be in a group and theres a lot of zerging that happens unless you sneak into an enemy base.

I liked it. Was very fun while I played it. Woudl be even more fun to play with people you know.

Hah. I really don't have hours to play most days like I used to. Just something fill in the time gaps between 'get to work' and 'bed' ;)

Oh, then the game would be pretty good for you then. If you play like 4 hours a day every day, it may be over quick. It takes a long while to level unless you do a ton of WvWvW. So it would definitly be a great game for you to play. Since a couple hours a day would stretch the game out a good distance. Especially if you go through as a second class.

I have some odd suggestions I've not seen here. EVE online, Vindictus, world of tanks, Maple Story, Dragon Saga, DC Universe Online, Mabinogi, and War Thunder. Good mix of different play styles and only EVE has a subscription fee

I did play EVE for a bit and it was a very relaxing game. The lack of a place that sold time-cards at the time kinda put an end to it

I wouldnt mind giving Wildstar a go. Its beta atm and requires 64 bit operating but the trailers impressed ne.

Nwverwinter isnt bad and its free to play as well

Could be interesting. Might need an upgrade to play it, though!

Depends what you're looking for really.

Istaria: Chronicles of the gifted -An MMO featuring full sized dragons as a playable race. P2P unfortunately, but has a large furry community.
War Thunder -Aerial combat MMO. Free, but with payable features. Soon to feature ground, and eventually naval simulations.
Elder Scrolls Online is in beta, but it looks to be a WoW clone unfortunately.
World of Tanks is worth a look, but it has some serious balance and matchmaking issues that make whole tech trees almost unplayable.

IIRC you're a 40k player, so Dark Millenium Online might be worth a look.

Seconding Istaria - it's the only MMO I actually have spent any time playing.

How's the player base for it, these days?

Pretty small. Depends on what you want from an MMO, really...

i would suggest star trek online, aion and warframe. those are lots of fun and all free

Let's see....

Warframe: F2P, with some 'micro' transactions (if by micro, I mean newer stuff typically starts at $30); most items can be made within the game itself. More focused on skill based action and PVE (where skill is the player him/herself). Plus you are a ninja. With guns.

Dragon's Prophet: People seem to like it. I haven't actually tried it yet. Also F2P.

Wildstar: WILDSTAR, Y U NO OUT OF BETA YET?!

Scarlet Blade: Actually not that bad. For a M rated F2P MMO, which appears to be essentially be just full of loosely dressed women, has a rather decent story behind it. Worth your time but not heavy investment.

Hawken: Need a Steel Batallion fix (and no, I don't mean the dreadful XBox360 Kinect one)? This F2P game pulls seriousness on the graphics department and is what I'd call a benchmark for a mech simulator FPS.

I don't think my computer could really handle Hawken, but that's another option that looks interesting!

Disregard MMO's

Play Dark Souls.

I played "Imagine Online" For a while... Wouldn't mind getting back into it again if there were others out there :x

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9V7vg6kDPHE

Doesn't look like a game for me. Thanks for the suggestion, though!

I used to be on Imagine.... then they messed up my migration, and can't recover my password. Goodbye lvl 67!

http://www.mmogrinder.net

This guy can help you choose since he breaks down the elements and what he thinks of them before giving a final opinion.

Darn I was going to post that link. I love that show.

As for MMO suggestions, what kind of game are you looking for Sky? Since you left WoW are you seeking a game that has that style of gameplay (WoW clone) or did you want to try something radically different? Did you want to stick with the fantasy theme or are you interested in sci-fi. What games have you tried?

Try Warframe.

Already play it. :)

Needing to pay every month in order to play always was and still is an idiotic and sick idea, or so I think.

So!

If you fancy paying once,
- I'd suggest guild wars 2. While it may get boring in long run, it will provide at least a month or few of game. Earns the price and you can always return later ;)

If ya wanna free games:
- Star Trek Online, which isn't bad at all as game on itself, and the team is decent too, but if you do not like star trek, you may not want to touch it.
As F2P scheme goes, it might be the best out there too. No real gameplay limitations there, while everything else you can unlock, with enough time or dedication, with in-game currency.
- If you like old games that do have limitations which cannot be omited without paying, EQ2 isn't bad yet. + it has scalies and draconians. You can kill the most irritating limitations for $5, to get 'silver' account (But if you ever subscribed before, you get silver free)

Simulator/mmo
-War Thunder --> ww2 flight sim, combat, so on
-World of Warplanes --> It's a beta still, not sure how easy it is to join. Like above but definitely more arcade than simulator
-World of Tanks --> Fun for a time at least, Tanks


That's....about it I think. There's been very few I tried and got pulled into that I can recommend.


Then there is 'Neverwinter Nights', which SILL is played after so many years. Technically not MMO, but with the servers run by community out there, it's nearly exactly same idea.


Whichever you choose of those, if any, I'd not mind a poke, to perhaps play together now and then ;)

I would recommend Spiral Knights and World of Tanks. Both games are completely free, high quality, and ultimately fun. However they are also more on the casual end of the scale than WoW, but from the sound of things I guess that would be more what you're looking for. I myself prefer casual online games like these. I've seen the hardcore gaming scene, and it did not leave an endearing impression on me. For the most part it's all overrun with Starcraft style powergamers who have completely forgotten what 'fun' is.