Might as well call the people that dick around with garry's mod modelers if that were the case.

11? I hate night classes. I'd rather learn when I'm still in a state of shock from getting up too early.

I have to agree. I will admit when I use pre-made assets versus making my own stuff. There's several people I could point out who use pre-made models, tweak a few sliders, slap on some hair and act like it's a bunch of hard work. I'd like to see 'em do real character modeling. Starting with just a flat quad plane or a box and a reference sheet. I'm still learning character modeling. I suck horribly, but gotta start somewhere. :P

I agree tho there is a point when the line gets blured, and that's when it's more then just the model being edited by sliders as you said. There are those out there at fuese models, retinker them, edit.

I think the term 3D modeler is open to introspection.

So you're saying the building process withing those means is not modeler?

Well I put in a little more effort then that, sometimes doing out-sorced work to get what I need with the details I wanted. But that still does not make me one?

I realized after I put this up that you'd probably take offense, which isn't what I meant. I'll be posting it again. :x

Well no, not offended. Just sorta gave me a wincing blow is all.

I am actully a student of 3D, and I know that the person I got much of my models from is one too. I use it to get use to the interface and it is very good training. He told me he uses it because he lacked the time to really creat totaly from scratch, tho he does know how.

I'll agree whole heartedly that many of the people out there do nothing with the models but slap cock and balls and tits on them and prance them out, but there are some that painstakenly customise models to the point that only they really could re-creat them.

I it's a matter of view. Tho I agree with you. Never think I don't.

I agree. Tinkering and outsourcing does not make one a 3D modeler.. More like a 3D decorator.. Arranger..

That depends just what your doing with it. Allot of people don't know that sometime to have to adjust the meshing within the model you might be using to get the shape your needing, and that takes proper know how of the 3D interface and the modeling program your using to do it.

Adding pollies and making them stick to the mesh then re-rigging the models bones to make it work with the added joint is not something just anyone can do.

It;s all in the details.