Funny thing about FA admins. Notify them that there's a person scamming an ebay sale ad on the site, and it takes them two months (no kidding) to even review the ticket....well past enough time for the person to scam multiple people.

A journal warning people about bad customer service, the admins get RIGHT on that. Priorities, people, it's not just a virtue, it's a fucking necessity.

Mostly it was the trolls and the people posting personal quotes from emails between me and the fursuit maker that really violated the CoC.

Meow.

i think maybe said suiters follows may have cried foul on you.... this is what it sounds like.... and said person is still a popufur.... i hate to use that term but it is the truth.... i will be seeing you at mfm aye?

Her "white knights" and trolls cried foul. Though some personal email information was put down, stuff that was sent between me and the builder. I believe the comments should have been shut down. Not the entire journal.

*nods aye that is what i ment... by thinking that... and yes but lot of the time admin here seem to play the part of appeasing the popufur

From what I read on the person's twitter they put in multiple "tickets" to have that journal taken down.... expect it back up.... soon, but CoC friendly.

Well, in all fairness I can see a logic to the policy. A call out journal instigates little more than uncontrolled chaos. While it may be well intentioned, naming names makes it a clear attack. Now while you may or may not have a legitimate grievance, and I'm not saying you don't, but regardless it will cause problems. As I said before, I don't know enough to take sides or offer advice, but the policy as I understand it does not prevent one from venting or saying what you wish, it just does not allow names to be used. You may be able to just privately provide information to those that ask while leaving the journal general enough to express your feelings. Just a point of view.

It is for that reason I will be posting the journal yet again, making sure names aren't mentioned and that kinda stuff.

*nods*

Just don't post anything publically on FA. This is an issue between you and the artist, there is no reason to try can stir up drama which honestly is the only thing you'll get by posting a journal on FA. AB is meant for warning others of an artist, so use that. Please just don't post here, you're only getting things riled up and it's totally useless :/ You're not helping yourself in any way, trust me. In fact it makes you look worse. If you really want to handle this situation as best as possible, post a professional report on AB, this means everything about the BUSINESS transaction, so posting about how she said stuff like "We're not friends anymore" will cause your post to be unprofessional, see what I mean? You don't want to sound whiny or bitter, do you? So far it only looks like you're bitter because a friend won't give you free stuff but please understand, she runs a business. Businesses cannot spare free stuff at the customer's demand no matter the situation. Handle this professionally and provide truthful and accurate proof about everything that went on via AB. Posting a journal on FA is definitely not the right way to go, I am saying this based off the many other situations that I've seen like this, which even caused an entire fursuit critique account to shut down since people just wanted to stir up drama about different fursuit issues. Not trying to sound mean or anything, I apologize if I do. I'm telling you this because if you keep it professional it'll be better for you and the people who read the report. Right now I'm really not on either side because I have yet to see proof from either side about what went on so honestly I'm sitting here waiting to see the AB reports from both sides. In the past, FA journals honestly did nothing good for anyone. They just caused drama and upset people. If your goal is to upset people, then post a journal. If you like being "harrassed" as you call it then post a journal. However, if you want to make your statement with evidence and a professional outlook on the situation then do so through AB and don't bother discussing this issue with anyone as it is a business transaction issue between you and the artist, no one else should technically get involved and it's disrespectful to go around talking to anyone who will join on your side about this issue since they don't know the full story, etc.. I'll still be waiting to see the AB reports from both sides if both sides do post, sorry for the long read^^; Just wanted to comment to give you this suggest, basically to post to AB and no where else. Avoiding drama basically because in the end creating opportunity for drama to arise will only hurt yourself and the others involved, I've seen it many times not just here and with suits/suit makers but with all sorts of topics in many different locations on the interwebs. Just letting you know, not looking for any arguments or anything.

Oh don't you even start, this isn't about FREE stuff, this is about my valuable time, and all being compensated for due to her negligence as a business. I am likely going to block you like I did others as you are almost as bad as the person who made multiple accounts to fire back at me. I can vent here in my journal if I so chose to and all. Most people don't always use AB anyway, so it's not the most recent thing to use and I've been trying to avoid going there because I don't really even use LJ anyway which AB is all a part of, and would rather not have to deal with all the defending back and forth and things of that nature because of how people even tried twisting emails I posted to make it look like I wanted only free stuff, which was and has NEVER been the case.

I have been harassed here, not just by that person who got banned, but all the other trolls and white knights, but I had lots of people come out of the wood works for me. Oh and the whole story, there are two sides, but from a customer standpoint there was a breech of contract on the business end and that is what really matters.

If you don't want an argument or bad blood between us, please stop... I don't want any more... I want this issue over and done with. Even tried working with someone to have a mediated Skype session and the fursuit maker is avoiding any form of voice communication like avoiding my calls, which is only going to help my case here when I present it.

If you want this issue over and done with then you must stop too. Posting an FA journal about this issue is like BEGGING for trolls or people who feed off drama to come and join in. You can't expect everyone to be on your side, you have not even provided honest proof that you were given horrible service. AB is the best source to do so, while not everyone posts there, almost everyone LOOKS there which is more important. If you post a journal on FA not everyone will see it. Plus people from many other art sites look at AB as well, not just people from FA.

My original post wasn't harassing you. I was trying to help you and give you advice. If my comment came off as harassing then my apologies. It was late and I'm tried of seeing drama from this, if you really want it to stop then don't assume everyone is harassing you. I certainly am not. Harassing is when you get named called or picked on or when someone tries to hurt you on purpose for a reason or sometimes even no reason. I'm not doing that. I was only trying to help :/ Try to be less defensive, please, and maybe you'll discover some people are only trying to help but have a different way of talking. I once talked to someone who's way of talking appeared offensive every time but now I know they really weren't trying to hurt anyone. She just cussed and threw insults all the time, but that's just how she talks and I respect her despite that XD It's weird, but I look up to her even though I misunderstood her intentions at first. I stopped being closed minded and opened up to what she said and realized she really wasn't trying to hurt anyone. I'm not trying to hurt anyone either, though I don't cuss or throw insults lol

and in addition to why Khyle responded to you with, every business in the world gets online complaints and they arent coddled. Neither should a person conducting business within the fandom that is conducting. in fact they should be held even more accountable both on an individual consumer level and as a business as a whole. Writing an online account like this shouldn't be a cause of drama in the first place. It should make the maker think "hey, perhaps the way I'm conducting business is out of line and I should change that if I want to remain in business". Age old adage "the customer is always right". I see where you're argument is coming from...but its still not a valid one any way you swing it.

I see what you're saying, but at the same time I feel it's unfair to any commission artist who could easily get a normal job like everyone else to get so much hate on them(they take commissions to provide a service to other people. If you think about it, it's like having a privileged to be able to commission such amazing art, but it's also a luxury item and no one is entitled to it so the commission is doing a service out of passion in most cases, especially with fursuit making and I've also seen it in parrot breeding c: ). Fursuit making is different than a large corporation mass producing the same product. They could spare some extra products if a customer is unhappy to replace or give away free stuff as an apology but a suit maker would have to pay out of their pocket to do that, something which is hard to do. A lot of times, suits makers don't make that much money in the first place and the customer should always keep that in mind. I certainly am happy to pay $3,000 to DHC, they deserve it for their work and dedication c: And if I am wrong about something I won't argue against it. I don't think that phrase is fair in any way, shape, or form. Not all customers are right and in a lot of cases they are wrong. That phrase was developed by businesses mostly because they don't want customers to be unhappy and run away, they'll nod and smile to a customer who is totally in the wrong just to satisfy them. In the end, it's basically a way to keep a customer from avoiding their store, because they want them to come back and spend money. Fursuit makers don't work like that, and actually most artists in general don't. I certainly don't go along with that phrase XD If someone's wrong, I'll let them know but I'm not mean about it.

Also about the little quote with how the maker should realize they were out of line, that is generally how it works but in this case no one can know for sure who is in the wrong and who really went out of line. A friend of mine on facebook knows the maker and claims to have seen the emails and says that it is Khyle who was rude and threatening, while Khyle says it was the maker who provided horrible/rude service. Without proof I have no idea who is telling the truth and who is making stuff up XD The main issue I have with him posting a public journal about this is because a lot of times people will be quick to jump to one side or the other. Without proper proof and statements from both sides, I just think it's unfair to either the artist or customer because a lot of people may be jumping to the wrong side or BOTH could be in the wrong and no one even knows. Not because I want him to keep quiet or not put out complaints or anything, all customers are entitled to it, I just think avoiding drama within FA would be better for both artist and customer as well as the people who just want to stire up drama(there are people like that sadly, I don't know why).

Right now I am basically just waiting to see proof of Khyle's side of the story as well as see if the artist will post her side. X3 I'm veiwing this from a commission artist perspective, but not exactly supporting either side though my opinions and thoughts may seem to veer towards the artist, but as an artist it's hard not to explain how things are as a commission artist XD I hope you get what I mean, sometimes I have a hard time explaining what I mean^^; Oh gosh I'm so sorry for the wall of text XD I tend to just kinda blabble and type without realizing how much I'm typing. I have only commissioned people 2 times(once for a NeonSlushie ref and the 2nd for a DHC suit). So I don't have much perspective on being a customer with a bad situation/bad service, etc.. But that is why I'm telling him he should post to AB instead of make an FA journal. AB has a much wider audience with people not only from FA, but DA and other sites. It's the place people go to if they want to check an artist out. No one would be able to search or even know to search for a journal about Fur It Up. If he really wants to get his side of the story out there then AB is the place to go. So far FA has only brought him trolls and harassment, as he says. If he posts it on AB then he will get less of that. Okay I'll stop now before this gets too long.. see what happens when I get a day off work? XD I type too much!

I am going to treat you now like the others... I am blocking and getting so tired of this.... I am already working things out with the builder, and if you are not happy with it, you can deal with it. You are being like one of those trolls you have mentioned. I am glad I vented, got a lot of things in the open and got a lot of good things coming my way due to it... Had to deal with some bad as well....

I wish you well, but I am done with this. I likely will deal with AB, but that is at my leisure to do so.

Thanks Palmer... I just blocked the other person... I'm getting SO SO SO SO SO tired of all of this.... I'm now going back to check chat logs and other things, but I'm gonna take care of this on my time, at my pace. You are totally right and other people as well. The customer is right in almost all cases, and including this one I know I am. I will take it as far as it needs to be.

I had an idea since you named them it would be removed.
I had a photo with them back in 08 before they become a maker,and I said before they were a beautiful person.And they edited it.