Spamming is the issue. A million "thank you's" gets irritating to clean out after a while.

Agreed with you there. That's literally the only reason, otherwise I'm very happy when someone notices me and enjoys what I do, but I'd rather they leave something that invites a conversation. :)

Sometimes I've left stuff like "Thank you for favoriting ten of my pictures and leaving so many comments! I'm flattered that you enjoy my themes so much!" which is to say that I hope they will continue to enjoy my material and maybe even want to chat with me in the near future. But just leaving a bland "thank you for the fave", and getting that a dozen times until my page is nothing but that, doesn't really invite any kind of back-and-forth.

*nods and agrees* Having to write out (if I were a popular artist) a hundred thank yous to people all across FurAffinity after they have faved (with a single mouse-click) one of my posted pics might come very close to being considered work, especially after sinking a score of hours into creating the artwork in the first place.

Then perhaps we could eliminate the dilemma altogether by allowing viewers to click a ‘Like’ or ‘Dislike’ tab isntead of a +fave+ tab, like they have over on YouTube, and also like YouTube, not identifying who it was that clicked their mouse at us?

A "dislike" button would create tons of drama, so I think a "like" button would be fine, like on Facebook. You should also be able to like comments, I feel, some comments are incredibly well written and can even change the meaning behind a picture or a person's dilemmas.

then again, those shouts vanish after a while. all you have to do is click away the notifications to them. looks like the internet has made people impatient.

They do? Hmm, never noticed that. But I have used the clean-up mechanism to clean up two or three-word shouts. I appreciate the feedback, I really do, but my index page is my “wall”, but fifty or so “No prob”, “Thanks a lot”, “Like Yur Art”, “Awesome”, “ROFL”, or even only a “ “, etc., begins to look an awful lot like graffiti or tagging, more to advertise the sender than to communicate anything worthwhile to the receiving artist.

actually they slip off the page. I guess if you delete the latest ones the old ones might re-appear. but then again I see no statistic like with journals and whatnot. maybe they DO vanish.

I'M one of those who try to leave somethign with a meaning. meaningless shouts on ym page are pretty rare... dunno what people are doing wrong. :)

Silverwing pretty much hit it on the head; it's not as much the show of appreciation and kudos as much as it can get a bit tedious to clean out multiple dozens of them. I'm not trying to say I don't do it myself; I generally will thank someone for a given +Watch or +Favourite; partly in that I'm not an uberpopular artist and certainly not a professional, and admittedly I started keeping to doing it regularly because of my own overcompensation; for the first several months of being here on FA and receiving +Watches and +Faves, I had no idea it was considered poor form _not_ to respond with a thank-you.

I guess it depends on the individual. I like the idea of being thanked for my offering kudos in the form of a thank-you shout, and I'm quite comfortable providing them. But I'm certainly not everybody else here. ^_^ I don't know if I'd generally look for a 'Don't post thank-you' note on someone's page the minute before I post a given shout, and perhaps that's being a dick of me; again, that's just me.

You're quite welcome to post me as you like, Lionus, so I hope you'll take some comfort that I won't be biting any fingerpaws if you do. o_o

-2Paw.

*laughs* The Internet is such a filtering mechanism that unless one goes to verbose lengths (like I do) to reply, the original sender can sometimes get “hurt paws” by what seems to them a curt unfeeling reply.

Once worked at a very large plant where a middle manager walked down a central aisle between our work cubicles. You would come out of your cubicle on some errand and out of common curtescy say “Good Morning,” to him. He would NEVER reply, even with a short “Morning” in return. He was too important. By doing this he earned his secret nickname of “Mister A**hole” among his employees.

Imagine a movie/TV celebrity NOT responding to the cheers or even the “Hi Flash” greetings from his fans when he was in public because smiling and waving in reply to them was too tiring?

Now granted, I have at least three favorite/admired actors who I would probably go all goofy over if they were to pass me by going into a restaurant or coming out of a business office. I would be DELIGHTED and remember it as a high point in my life if they were to simply acknowledge my well-meaning goofyness with a smile and a wave in passing with nothing more.

I understand that popular people/performers have important things to be doing and stopping to chat with every fan … well that would be totally dumb of them to do. They would be spending the rest of their career talking to fans who would be asking why they weren’t making any movies any more.“
Simple! I’m spending all my time talking to fans!”

Same here with answering faves or shouts.

Generally I will answer each and every p-mail sent to me and comment made at or aimed at my work. I even acknowledge people faving my pics as if they were coming from personal friends. But that's just me.

I feel the very same way; I consider it a kindness and a compliment when anybody acknowledges that I have worth in their eyes. It's the same way that someone replies in kind if I myself wish them a good morning, or offer a smile and have it returned thus. A Fave or a Watch here is a great compliment to me, as I have a great deal to learn and want to learn, and having somebody say 'This is pretty darned good' by way of a Fave is quite the treat and quite the compliment for me. ^_^

I hope I didn't sound like I was shooting you down or anything, Lionus; I feel the same way you do. ^_^

-2Paw.

*grins* No I did not take your comment in a derogatory fashion, 2paw. We do indeed seem to be on the same page concerning this subject.

I look back to the beginnings of Western courtesy, somewhere during the Middle Ages. When a knight’s strength and ability to cut you up into teeny little bits was not in doubt, he could let you go before him through the doorway without it being viewed as an act of weakness by others. There was absolutely no doubt in anyone’s mind that if he wanted to, he had the might and power to go through that ruddy door FIRST, today, tomorrow or a year from now.

Knowing this, I (or anyone else) would know that him letting me (or you) go before him was a gift, something special from him that I or you could not force him into doing, and that certainly warranted a “thank you”.

A weak person must continually prove his/her “superiority” in everything he or she does, to everyone around them, and in the slightest things. He or she has to grab that bus seat from the little old lady because in the weak person’s mind others will doubt whether the seat-napper had the strength to take it if the little old lady battled him/her for it.

What is in doubt must always be proved again and again because the doubt exists mostly in the weak person’s mind.

Happy to be, then. I didn't think it likely you'd taken my comments poorly, but I felt better offering that I had meant no harm in the possibility it'd happened. <hug!> I think weakness or strength exists in the modern sense in a similar fashion, but it's not always obvious thus, not like what would come with a title and a keen blade, not _exactly_....but yes. It's holding the door for someone coming in out of the rain; it's giving your seat to a chummer who's having trouble standing on the subway or bus; it's giving a damn about another person when society and personal pride wouldn't require you to. I don't think society would exist in any coherent form, nor would it last by any functional standard for any length of time, if that kind of mutual decency didn't maintain itself and have it be maintained. You can't use force to convince a society to comply with your wishes, not in a way that will last; there has to be that kind of mental faculty and state of thought that suggests to and convinces the people in it that it's worth the effort to be brought forth.

Giving a shite is one of the most important things a body can do, and I'm happy to say I try my best. ^_^ Equally so, I'm quite sure it's not unique to me. :)

-2Paw.

TBH: I love it when you thank me for faving your pics, and I usually thank you back.

Short response, but its to the point!

I am glad, yes you do, and yes it is. :-D

*nods* I often times fall behind in my ‘thank you’s -- especially when one submission unexpectedly gets a whole lot of fave-clicks. I post a general “Thank You” journal and use the opportunity to selfishly talk more about the picture -- and what artist does not like to talk about his work???

Occasionally I might do a quarterly journal thanking folks for their faves on a few of my works and do more artist-talk. Artworks are like one’s “children” and what “parent” does not like to talk about his children to folks who smile at them or in this case “fave” them?

I once saw a page where they rejected thank you shouts because they were free advertising for the shouter. there was an accompanying journal entry, too. so I decided to comment accordingly.
so they elaborated the point of free advertising and that they don't want it and etc.etc.
I told them that faving some artist's work is free advertising, too, that FA is free to use and it not be like they have to pay for the taken-up space, and that it would do them good to start making sense for a change.

took them a year to see my point and finally reply back (I never rwead their immediate reply, though).


somehow, when we weren't looking, being rude to grateful people has become "cool" on the net. slap away the offered hand, never say thank you for gifts, and sure as hell yell at them that a thank you is not appreciated.
I refuse to communicate with the likes of those. that would show too much gratitude. and they won't want that, right?

In a recent edition of an American news magazine (TIME), there was an article about the “ME-ME-ME Generation“. Me-Me-Me Generationers were described as behaving like the ‘obnoxious self-centered children of the RICH‘. Indifferent to others and accepting whatever gifts they were given without any show or gesture of appreciation or gratitude because they deserved those gifts since they considered themselves “special“.

It is almost like a return to living under a priviledged Aristocracy.

true that. it exactly sounds like what impression I have of those.

I think it's more The Shouts on the front page they'd rather avoid, and would be perfectly content to have them 'thank them' on an image posts actual page or the like. *shrugs* But I dunno for sure, just what makes sense to me.

I don't approve of that attitude toward being thanked. It makes no sense.

Agreed. I feel, regardless of the reason, the negative disposition expressed about it is unwarranted.

Seriously unwarranted.

"Thank you for your kindness, good sir."

"Shut up asshole, don't thank me!"

Does this make any sense to you? O_o

I guess I'm in the middle. I very much appreciate being thanked for something, because I feel it opens up potential future conversation and is a sign of goodwill between two people. On the other hand, if that's all they say and then they get annoyed if I want to continue to talk to them, then I feel like their words are hollow and a waste of space on my Shout page that could be used for actual communication.

Well yes, but I'm talking about those who are genuinely kind and thanking them is perfectly normal.

True, and that's why thanking people for favorites is on a case-by-case basis for me, whereas if I don't know someone and they're thanking me all over the place and removing shouts from people with more context to their words, I have no choice but to remove them, even though I appreciate their words.

You make a good point.

I think it's right, a lot of thanks for faves and watches can get troublesome for some artists and watchers. I don't mind it though! There should be an icon that says "Always Thanking!" or something :P

When an artist does not want to get too fancy, having MicroSoft Word open in the background with “Thanks for your faving my “(Name of Picture)” that can be copied and endless pasted to faving furs’ shout boxes works very well.

Things are STARTING to get weird around here?

Lionus, things have been very weird around here for quite some time now!

*laughs* WeaselZERO, I mean “weird” beyond just the fact that we are dealing with furries.

welcome in reality about how stupid political correctness could get. in Germany they rewrote all traffic ruels recently and replaced f.e. driver by people who drive cars since driver is not neutral enough nd could be counted as sexistic.. :D ,


And well. I already took notice of that funny twist of people screaming they don#t want shouts or be thanked for watches.. Oo strange :D

I wonder just how far Political Correctness can get? Will short people get government supplied shoes that will make them taller and tall people be required to stoop over so that they will not be taller than the “average height”?
Will there be an “approved” uni-sex hairstyle (bald?) that both males and females must wear so as not to be sexist?
Unisex clothing? Uniforms?
How about “falsies” (silicone implants) to be worn by men under their shirts so that it will not be just women who are looked at or sexually harassed by men.
While one common language would eliminate discrimination due to a person not speaking a nation’s language, Political Correctness seems to say that people should be allowed to keep and speak their ethnic language which most of the people around them cannot understand.

I cannot understand whether the goal of Political Correctness is to force us all to be equal and the same, or allow us to become as different from one another as we wish and thereby not have anything in common with anyone else in the same country.

I m with you t that.. it is totally driven into the wrong direction with everybody sueing everybody over nothing... It is just stupid.
Another example.. They are about to ban gipsy sauce in germany as it is seen as racistic..


however.. if they don#t want thank you's .. I am fine wiht that :D saves my time :D

I guess its partially to prevent spam....and in some cases the people are just crabby and not nice to begin with, heck I've had one giant idiot snap at me for using a smiley face emote D: (he's a nasty piece of work)

some people are just not nice, full stop x_x

*nods in agreement* Not 100% of furries are nice to be with just because they are furries, Altallo.
Just the people on this page.
*hugs*

actually most furries (I don't count creeper as furry fans) I've met are nice.....the people that have caused me trouble are anime fans who make anime furries. Now most are nice (I have a few friends in that category), and they are anime fans.....and then there are the weeaboo category who take it too far and are right bullies D:

in fact I've had a rough time with someone who has human characters....and I have human characters too.....HUMAN COMBAT! D:

Don't you hate it how so many anime fans are critical of the furry fandom despite the evidence showing that they're even more full of drama, bizarre fetishes, and hostilities than most furries are?

yup :o
I mean granted there are a lot of messed up stuff online (since in cons there's actually not much really...maybe a few, but they tend to get funny looks and wide berths), but anime is just as bizarre and often brutal. There's so many creepy underage characters in anime that are sexualised and those annoying characters with animal ears called 'neko' that go "NEEEEEEEE!" all the time in high pitched voices....oh and there's a trend in some anime that "Stupid is sexy"

so....yeah, anime fans can't talk. They're kawaii and broken and screechy attempts at Japanese won't stop us! D:

and unfortunately the person who I mentioned with the human character is getting a lot of back-pats and such....no-one knowing about his real creepy, angry, bitter behaviour o_o

Hopefully it will come out someday and people will know to avoid him. I've had problems with certain "popufurs" who are absolutely assholes on and offline, but because they have fat wallets they can buy the love of famous artists.

indeed x_x, or they think themselves superior in other ways D:

I've seen the same thing. I've even seen where people threaten to block people for posting "thank you's" on their shout board. I dunno, I could honestly never figure out why they were so uptight about it. Do they really fav that much art that the "thank you's" get irritating? At most I might get two or three thank you's on my shout page a day. Maybe its just me but I think people need to lighten up a bit. The artist just appreciates you faving their work.

It's basically a roundabout way to brag about how popular they are~

Interesting. I hadn't thought of that

Kids these days - I just want to smack them all upside the head! All they want is their butts kissed, and when you attempt to, they don't want it THAT way......

Somewhere along the line, kids have gotten the idea in their heads that complaining & criticizing makes them appear more sophisticated, like the world isn’t good enough for them.

I've had one fur ask me not to thank him in the future for favs he gave me.

my reply to that was to tell him to stop faving my stuff

*laughs* That was a good reply, Kindar.