Fetish X art-ban debate
19 years ago
General
I gave up reading after page 20 or so. Most of the arguments against could be really applied to any fetish, so I have replaced the particular issue with "fetish X", or insert-icky-concept here, because I COULD SECRETLY BE TALKING ABOUT YOU.
Disclaimer: I didn't vote, because I'm not a trade unionist.
Arguments for banning Fetish X
1. "X is disgusting."
2. "X is immoral."
3. "X is illegal."
4. "Allowing pics of X will encourage them to do X in reality."
I wrote rebuttals for lines 1-4, but they don't really matter; reconstructing them is left as an exercise for the reader.
5. "They can do it elsewhere. I didn't come here to be associated with those kinds of people/artwork."
This one I couldn't help with, though. Of course that's what the whole problem really is: whenever people step out of "personal homepage land" and form communities, community lines have to be drawn, and the question for a vote like that is really: where do you want the lines drawn for _this_ community? There's little point in trying to convince anyone by arguing for or against any of the other issues: those issues don't matter because they're personal, individual to you, and while they may be your impetus for your opinion, there's no way you're going to get anyone else to say "Why yes, I hadn't thought of that before, it _is_ awful disgusting, now that I come to think about it; I'd better stop right away!"
Disclaimer: I didn't vote, because I'm not a trade unionist.
Arguments for banning Fetish X
1. "X is disgusting."
2. "X is immoral."
3. "X is illegal."
4. "Allowing pics of X will encourage them to do X in reality."
I wrote rebuttals for lines 1-4, but they don't really matter; reconstructing them is left as an exercise for the reader.
5. "They can do it elsewhere. I didn't come here to be associated with those kinds of people/artwork."
This one I couldn't help with, though. Of course that's what the whole problem really is: whenever people step out of "personal homepage land" and form communities, community lines have to be drawn, and the question for a vote like that is really: where do you want the lines drawn for _this_ community? There's little point in trying to convince anyone by arguing for or against any of the other issues: those issues don't matter because they're personal, individual to you, and while they may be your impetus for your opinion, there's no way you're going to get anyone else to say "Why yes, I hadn't thought of that before, it _is_ awful disgusting, now that I come to think about it; I'd better stop right away!"
FA+

I'm not sure where I heard the quote, but it seems fitting: "The wants and desires of the majority should never impede on the rights of the individual."
In the mean time, thank you for taking a refreshingly cool and calm stance, and actually working to make a legitimate defense for your feelings on the matter. It's a welcome change, and was rather nice to wake up to this morning. :-D
At least on the Internet it's easier, should one be outvoted in one community, to join other communities where one is more accepted--something harder to do in the Real World. But we may not have to worry about it, in this case--as of now, at any rate, "allow" is winning against "ban", though not by much.
The willingness of the Admins to set this forth unto us is, indeed, worthy of being noted. Also, you are most certainly correct that the internet facilitates the ability for like-minded individuals to congregate. However, I do see that the problem here isn't with "Fetish X", the problem lies within each individual's ability to discern between harmful matter, and lack thereof, resulting in poor arguments on both sides of the table, and total and utter support for poorly-thought-out rhetoric.
Thus far, a majority of the arguments I've seen in the furry community in general equate to the concept of "My cat has four legs, my dog has four legs, therefore my cat is my dog." That's all well and good when you've got a microphone and the attention of a room full of people, but when this becomes the baseline for various arguments ranging from moral acceptability to where a particular event should be held, I think it's about time that we, as individuals, take a step back and re-evaluate our reasons for being where we are.
I understand that in any group, there will eventually be schisms once the numbers get large enough. It's one of few constants ingrained in the Human Psyche, "mental ghetto-ization" if you will. It's a round about way of saying it, but attacking this from the angle of "vote, move on, vote, move on" is ignoring the problem and treating the symptoms. We're looking to improve ourselves as a group by pushing out all who disagree, rather than improve ourselves by coming to accept that we are all individuals, and as such, we WON'T agree on everything all the time. Focus on what outwardly harms others, not what inwardly makes us uncomfortable.
What I think has made this discussion between us so vastly different, is that neither of us has had to bring up our individual stances on the current topic in order to defend the argument revolving around it; an aspect worthy of recognition and thanks in and of itself. It's so awesome to experience people thinking for themselves, I must thank you for standing up for what you believe, and voicing your opinion in such a polite, presentable fashion.