Honestly, facial expression and anatomy does a lot. It's make or break for me in faving a lot of art. Something can be flashy but if it lacks cuteness when it's clearly the intent to be cute (or sexiness when its trying to be sexy, etc, ad infinitum) then it doesn't matter at the end of the day, because it falls short of the intent.

I have no idea. I guess people just like bright colors? I don't know. :c

I pretty much mostly agree with you. So I'm not really able to say much other than what you've already said.

It's pretty flustering for me to hear and see first hand with people coming to me saying 'which tablet do you think i should get? if i can color i can finally make some money on art' but their anatomy is lacking in all sorts of ways and i'm like....coloring bad anatomy won't make it look any better....but then yet there are examples of people who are proving that point wrong right at this moment so....I really don't know.

But I do agree.

You can still be really cool and unique and still including anatomy into it. Look at Borderlands, its super stylized an the chars are still anat. correct. I think Nyhms just trying to ask why people just learn how to color and then never advance beyond that. Truthfully, most just get the coloring/shading down and then fuck anatomy, lol.

I have noticed some artists who are incredibly skilled with digital coloring, are capable of impressive effects and lighting but the anatomy in their images may be a bit wonky. For me it's a bit odd since while a colored/colorful image is great, I try my best to get the anatomy and main line-work to look good first and foremost. (I admit I have a lot to work on in all fields but still) This may be because I spend years working with pencil and paper before moving onto digital.

That said, I guess since technology has gotten so much better and accessible some artists practice in those elements first? And I suppose for some colorful visuals are enough to catch their attention and appeal.

francley i agree with you on this, me being one of those that also started on pencil and paper, i see more and more just skipping that all together and going straight into digital art, forsaking the basics you can learn from it like anatomy and positioning, those people that have years in both aspects really can show amazing product, ware as most of this generations artist that been appearing have decided to just go straight into digital

You can still learn the same basics with digital as with pencil artwork. It's just that digital can be easier and/or more convenient in many ways. I started out with pencils and colored pencils but have been focusing more and more on GIMP because it's quicker for colors (I would spend hours upon hours with colored pencils for a full colored picture, even a simple one) and it's doesn't need to go through the fuss of being scanned. That said, because of that it's easier to skip the basics using digital than with traditional media.

Though honestly, they're both so different in end result appearance that I want to get really good with both media types. ^_^

I've noticed this very recently with certain people, I think it's more of a suck-up thing than anything. Because it just looks bad to me and I couldn't think of a good way to compliment stuff like that myself.

I don't think anything has really changed. You are simply looking in the wrong places.

>> Are watchers more inclined to bright sickeningly organized colors with trivial repetitive subject-matter?
The answer is yes, specially with the FA crowd which tends to be of the younger generation, pop art, cartoon art, anime art has a higher chance of appeal over realism.

>>Has the individuality and quality of art been pressed aside for a more factory like marketable product?
No, It just so happens the the serious artists go to *drumroll* serious art websites (someplace where, the general demographic is not looking simply for fap material). If you are viewing all furry art through FA, then you are missing out!

Is there a serious art website for furries (or at least okay with them)? Other than FA, I only know of Weasyl for sites that are largely okay with furs.

Not questioning you, just curious. I made an account on Weasyl but I wouldn't mind an account on another website with a stronger sense of seriousness and improvement. :)

I don't feel that there is a serious art website by furries for furries. Weasyl at least has a critique marker, however it lacks the community.
If you want to go to more serious art sites then you have to drop the idea of furries. Furries by main stream are still seen as mainly as pornographic in nature.

You want say furries are fantasy/sci-fi creatures or go the fan art road.
http://cghub.com/
http://www.epilogue.net/

Will definitely be checking those out.

And yeah, that's kinda the problem I've been facing. I don't necessarily want a site that's only furries or even majority furries like FA. Just a general art site that's furry friendly like Weasyl. I do hope that site makes it off the group sometime. I'm trying to expand into other things, but I enjoy ferals and furries most so that's what I draw the most. :/

I'm quite sure I only watch people who do both correctly, not just one. Besides, I'm colorblind, how will I notice that colors are wrong when I can't get them correct myself? :U

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it's very simple... "if its pretty, who cares?"

I think people see artist "x" gets lots of commissions, so they try to imitate them. Since it's much easier to learn how to use coloring programs rather than study anatomy, I think they correctly go with the least time commitment for highest return in quality.

Colors in general draws people in, because erroneously most folks think of B&W as unfinished work. Look at the backlash that "Sin City" got because the movie was mostly B&W.

It's hideously easy to get anatomy wrong, the more ambitious the pose and the less reference the easier it is to get things wrong. I get things staggeringly wrong all the time. I try to play with interesting shapes, but one long bus commute or being in a hurry to finish something means I'll frequently wind up making something blander and less interesting. I do think that painting things with no linework does kind of fudge when you mess that up - you don't have that line tacking you down and making your mistakes painfully, painfully obvious.

Everyone likes color, including artists. This means that faced with an opportunity to jump right into putting awesome color on stuff people will do so. I look at some of the stuff I used to do and my color choices just make my eyes hurt; I'm not an expert now, but better than I used to be. There's this subtlety to getting bright color without getting headache-inducing hypersaturated technicolor hues. Figuring out realistic color seems to be this weird mix of learning to be more daring in choosing value while being more subdued in choosing hue and saturation, and that hasn't been easy for me; I'm still trying.

I think my skill level is fairly average for this fandom really, so I figure that if I'm making those mistakes, plenty of other people are making them too.

I think it probably has to do with the high number of people who are self taught. You start out making anatomy mistakes, don't notice it, and it becomes a habit that you don't even realize or see. It's an easy trap for someone who's self taught in artwork and honestly something I've been struggling with as mostly self taught myself.

Also, many times, shading and coloring are easier things to spot, take note of, and improve on as compared to basic anatomy. At least, it feels that way to me.

Finally, why they look alike may be because some of these great artists were looked up to by others who are now considered great artists themselves. At least, this might be part of the reason. Also, we lot of people draw to please others (either to get noticed or to sell commissions) and will draw what they think is pleasing to the general population, which probably accounts for part of the issue.

I do agree though that so many times great artists do the same body and face types again and again. Even for artists making differences in species, it's very similar. And in times they do try to account for different body times, it's typically just the more extreme ends. Which is a bit of a shame because the different body types and facial structures are awesome. That's one thing I want to incorporate more into my artwork and character designs. I've got some fluffeir characters, some skinner ones, some bulkier ones, some tall and some short. But I see the same body types a lot. Particularly when I commission my 'sona. She's a shortie with a bit of a belly. Not fat, just lots of fluff and things to hug. She's like me in body type. But so many people struggle with drawing her and many times she comes out skinner than she really should be. I don't mind it. I just find it interesting for the most part.

Nyhms self-taught.

I didn't realize that. Well, there are exceptions to the rule. ^_^;;;;;

I prefer like some sort of "in between" as I don't like perfect realism in anatomy and coloring. But I would rather look at limbs that are actually connected and bend properly and have some sort of hint of muscular structure. Most of the digitigrade character I see on this site make no sense and I feel as though they would just fall over, or at least suffer some sort of ankle problem.

Sometimes I'll draw more cartoony than i usually do but I still try to make the anatomy make sense, although I still suck at it but I try to improve on anatomy whenever I can. As for my coloring it usually also blows and I feel a lot of my pictures looked a lot better when they were just sketches.

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If the anatomy is to wibbly wobbly I can't really appreciate the picture. Probably cause I'm so critical on my own art about the anatomy looking some what realistic.

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