you put a comma as part of the link you posted, no workie unless i manually copy and paste

Thanks, should be fine now!

Hmm, how many watchers do you have - i.e. what would you be expecting from each person?

Whatever people want to donate I guess hehe, Ive never tried anything like this before.

You have 13,040 watchers - so that's only like 14 cents per watcher .

hey it sounds almost possible! :D

id cut any watch list in half immediately of people who probably have semi or even dead accounts. among the other half maybe 10% would spend any money so 5% is a realistic possible goal of donators

What would the finished project be in length?

Slightly longer than the rough preview, It is just me working on it afterall
however if this little experiment works out, Ill go for a bigger budget, get a team set up and try to make the next one a full 11 minute short.

damn I usually commission animation but at $1800 simply haven't got the cash.

He means that everyone donates a little bit and THEN the project will be funded. So if all of his watchers donated, say, a dollar then that would fund (potentially) several animation projects.

Yeah I know but I'd rather pay a few hundred for a personal animation :P

Oooh, I see. Yeah, animations can be quite pricey ^^;

Unbelievably expensive :)

yes lol te most I've spent on a commission was 1k and I'd rather not spend that again. If I like your animation, I'd be willing to pay between 100 to 600. Some charge on time while others charge on frames. If you're interested please let me know.

I'm all for it HammyToy! I love your work and would totally donate - however, I think you should give people a base figure to work with so that they don't think they're funding this all by themselves.

Like Hughie522 said - if everyone one of your watchers donated 14 cents then this project would be funded. I don't think people would have an issue with that.

And like I told Osmosis - if we each donated a dollar then more than that project would have funding. You'd have enough for several. Even if half of us only donated a dollar then you could work it and maybe another animation or two. And most people don't feel bad about donating a SINGLE dollar to a project.

I say you start there or at 50 cents a person (or more if they feel so inclined). You have many people who love your work so it could be worked out. Think of this -

Even though you have 13000 or so watchers some of these people are no longer around or are just totally silent most of the time. We'll say they're not active. Your favers, the people who actively fave your work consistently...lets find an average based on your last 3 images (foregoing the Robin Hood WIP), since they'd be the most recent barometer.

That's 1183, 657, and 608 (you've been getting more faves as time goes on)

The average is - 816

Of course, your submission gets MANY more views than it does faves. Still it would mean that to fund this project comfortably we'd each need to give 2.50 in order to fund this project. If we give 5 dollars then we'd be funding 2 of your projects. See what I mean? You can ask for the least, and if they want to give you more that's fine. But some people like more...instruction in what they should or shouldn't do. Otherwise they assume you want a much larger number.

So basically make the point that the amount per person is fairly small? makes sense, Im not very good at marketing or doing pitches or anything, I just want to get on with doing cartoons :)

Yep, The first thing someone will say is "I'm broke" because they're thinking of big numbers like 50 or 100 dollars. Which would be helpful for your needs but it's best to let some know "I'm not trying to take your grocery money", ya know?

That said, thus far it seems that you're pretty blessed. Most people that have responded have said that they want to help you out however they can.

And pitches are hard. I think for you you should rely on your strengths. Once you have a place for people to donate to (with a link and everything set up) - make a poster about this. Nothing flash. Just something that's...you. People are more likely to click on an image than a journal entry unless they REALLY like they artist.

A poster for this/these project(s) is an affective marketing strategy because it means - we can fave it. That means when someone is looking through our faves they'll see your poster. So it work as a signal boost.

On the poster you just state what needs to be said, the basics "I want to fund animation projects", the goal, let them know that you need people to donate XXX amount but you'd be grateful if they can donate more - and any bits of information beyond that can be placed in the author's comments section.

I think that's the most effective thing you can do here on FA. If you make the poster you can also place it on Tumblr which is a great spot for reblogging (and you can have the poster image linked to the FA post, this journal, or the fundraising medium you're using).

The good thing is that we all want you to succeed in this because we believe in you, so you have things working in your favor ^_^

True, but only 26 comments replying to this... so I doubt there's enough demand to bother with this.

Maybe Ill try it again later with some of your ideas, a proper nice polished pitch with clear information like that, might have better luck.

I'd say "where do I donate?!"

You could always try a kickstarter or fundanything though I don't know how their view on adult material.

Also, upload a submission when you ask for money or you should probably upload a submission that links to this journal since that would get more views.

I don't know about fundanything, but Kickstarter tends to draw the line at anything that's straight up pornographic.

Some pornographic projects have been allowed on Kickstarter, but only under the understanding that the pornographic material isn't the focus. For example, although Coming Out On Top (a gay dating sim) has explicit sex scenes in the game, the main focus is trying to provide a quality storyline that gay people can relate to. There have also been other pornographic projects that pass on the basis of being "erotica", which again basically translates to "porn with a really good story" (and I do remember one specific project also tackling diverse representation in erotica).

In short, Kickstarter doesn't allow anything pornographic unless it's either tackling some sort of issue or simply a secondary part of the plot.

On top of that, there's also the potential copyright issues behind launching a Kickstarter fund for a porn animation based off a Disney cartoon. :P

He could try OffBeatr, which is a kickstarter exclusively for pornographic projects. There are already a couple of projects on there based off copyrighted works, including Star Wars and MLP, so there shouldn't be any issue funding a Gargoyles porn animation on there (just as long as the word PARODY is plastered everywhere in all caps).

In my excitement, I didn't even think about the copyright issue; good catch!

If I cant figure out the legalities of using copyright characters I may just go with offbeatr, Like you say, r34 is already common there so it seems unlikely I wold get singled out and picked on :)

Well if it seems like the sort of thing people would actually be interested in, then the next step is to go to the bank and find out if they offer some kind of merchant services for online payments.
So ideally it wouldnt be through anything like paypal, it would be some kind of direct online payment thing.

then the next step is to find out if I can get away with parody or if Disney would sue the hell out of me.

Sounds intriguing, wish I had money!

Are you still in town? we should hang out :)

Yup, going to be here a little longer yet! =)

I say give it a try!

I say its better try to do something worthwhile than to just think "what if did take the chance?"

I'd put a few tens in there.

I'd chip into a Kickstarter for fur porn. Especially if it meant the chance of seeing a full 11 minute feature some time down the road.
On a side note is the TMNT animation still set to be finished some time next year?

the full length project is a big if, Even a low quality flash cartoon costs about $200k per episode, but given the chance I would love to launch something like that, might be a pipe dream but who knows :)

Hopefully sometime next year, it is a little bit past half done now :)

Sounds great to me! I'll donate! But man....i dint make that much in 2 weeks as a 3D animator in the biz,for 10 years. In Chicago area, bit still puts things into perspective.

Given I also get benefits and 401k matching, but still. :)

thats surprising, In flash animation at least here in Vancouver entry level is about $800 per week, thats for a builds job $900 to $950 p/w week is about standard.

Different regions I guess hehe.

Do it.

KICKSTARTER DONATION! Though I doubt they'd allow anything remotely pornographic :p

If it seems viable ill go to the bank and find out if they could set up some kind of online payment service for me :)

I would love to donate, can you do Robin Hood?

Figures you do this when I'm broke...have bills to catch up on and xmas shopping comming up :p

Wow you still do Xmas shopping even when times are lean? I haven't bought a Xmas gift in years :)

For family I do. Though I'm only getting my brother something because my mom would throw a fit otherwise. Granted this year I don't anticipate giving anything extravagant.

get him a swift kick to the gonads as a thanks to all hes done :), Honestly every year I try to tell my family to not get me gifts, its sweet of them and all but I already have too much stuff, would rather they gave the money to charity or something.

I will definitly swing a few dollars your way. Rather than kickstarter you could use OffBeater. It's like Kickstarter, but for adults!

Thats one option if the bank doesnt work out :)

There's a pornographic equivalent to kick starter called Offbeatr (http://offbeatr.com) that might be up your alley!

Also, having a team of animators to do shit like that? That sounds amazing :D makes me want to dust off my Animator's Survival Kit and start practicing again.

Well I already know about 5 good people who would be interested :)

A dream team of animators providing delicious pornographic goodness. I can imagine you approaching them a la Nick Fury.

I look forward to reaping the benefits of that. I'd definitely be interested in donating!

hehe thanks, theres like 5 people expressing interest at this point though, soooo no where near enough to actually make it happen sadly :)

Interest in donating I mean

I watched a mini documentary on crowd funding, (which I tried my best to find again, but I cannot) and they gave some numbers that out of 100% of your watchers, 90% will actually pay attention to what you're doing, 10% will actively interact with you via comments and 1% will actually donate. I forget the actual numbers, but they work something like that. But the main idea of crowd funding is that you need to actively advertise it and spread it around as much as you can, so exercising good PR and all that is the key. Having someone donate any amount is less valuable than having someone reblog/retweet/share what you're trying to do.

I think you need to put some amount of trust in the community and go for something like that if it's a project you really want to do. I find just asking people "would you buy/donate if I did so and so" doesn't render accurate results as to how much you could potentially make.

Maybe donate is the wrong word, it implies charity which scares the hell out of people, in this case its actually payment for the production of wank material :)

In any case, this journal wasn't really the pitch this was just me trying to figure out if its even worth bothering with, If more than a half dozen people had expressed interest here, then I would have gone ahead and put work into setting up a webpage and proper pitch for the whole thing.

hmm i think i said a lot of the same stuff to you twice sorry hehe

thanks!

I'd donate Hammy. It's a big goal, but I'd do what I could. Because you're awesome.

Thanks hehe :),, doesnt seem to be much demand though so Ill probably not do it for now, maybe another time.

It would not be much money, especially being near Christmas and all, but I could donate a few bucks.

a few bucks is all that would be needed really, if enough people are interested.

I'm late on this, but I think this is a great idea, I'm definitely interested! I'm not sure if a journal is the best place to gauge interest though (even if it's appropriate); lately many people don't bother reading them, entries get buried under commission announcements, etc. I think you might get a better result if you proposed this in a submission.

Yeah maybe Ill ask again next tiem I put up a submission