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I bet a lot of use watch my neighbor totoro, the hayao miyazaki film.
just recently I hard that there is a darker side to the family film. I was so mind blown when I found out.
If you like to read of it go here>>>>
http://my.opera.com/sukekomashi-gai.....nari-no-totoro
ok just read it here>>>
Tonari No Totoro
Thursday, January 1, 2009 1:20:21 AM
tonari no totoro, scary
Please be aware that this is only a translation and collection from various Japanese websites (most of which are linked to below), and not my personal theory. Feel free to offer any responses, but don't make it personal like some have!
Well, it's been a while since I wrote something, but now I feel like I can actually write a full article about something slightly interesting.
隣のトトロ tonari no totoro is a great movie that all really should see. It's a rare type of movie that can be seen and appreciated by children and adults alike.
The main characters are Satsuki and Mei. One day after moving to a new house, they begin to see strange things. Eventually they meet with a giant mystical creature which they name Totoro.
A very innocent and enjoyable yet heartmoving tale that most Japanese people have seen at least once. If you haven't seen it yet, I would very much recommend it.
But, if you have seen it, there alies in it yet a whole other interpretation to the story... I have to warn you: if you read on, your idea about this movie being a happy childrens movie will change dreadfully.
In fact, you may lose hope in all childrens movies for suspicion that they are all actually morbid stories of death and murder.
I watched the movie once, with my girlfriend and thought it wasn't bad. The ending left me a little unfufilled, but I'm used to that in Japanese movies by now.
I largely forgot my experience with Totoro until one night at work's mini 忘年会 bounenkai, end-of-year party, the subject came up.
One fellow employee (actually he works at a restaurant next door) told me some disturbing rumors about the 20 year old family movie. Let me begin.
The story is far from a happy one. According to him, and apparently a popular urban legend in itself, Totoro and his magical friends are in fact Shinigami, that is to say the gods of death, the grim reaper. Pretty cute for a grim reaper, huh?
It begins with the susuwatari (煤渡り) (a.k.a. makkurokurosuke), those little black balls that they find in the kitchen. The story goes that if you see the susuwatari or Totoro, death is close.
The old woman says that adults can't see the susuwatari or the other mystical beasts. Unexplained though, is why she saw them when she was young. Kanta, the old woman's grandson doesn't seem able to see them.
The real story comes from the history of the Sayama incident (狭山事件 sayama jiken). There seem to be too many coincidences between the Sayama incident and this movie to ignore.
The Sayama incident occured in May 1963. It's quite an important case for discrimination in Japan. The case goes that one day, in Sayama (in Saitama prefecture), a young girl was kidnapped for ransom, raped and then murdered. Her older sister apparently found her body, but was so traumatized by it, when asked what she had seen, she merely said "I met a large Tanuki (looks like a racoon)" and "I saw a cat monster." Sound familiar? Anyway, the older sister later commited suicide.
So let's see. Okay I'll start with the things that are most similar. For one, the house that the family moved to is also in Saitama. It isn't told exactly where, but take a look at this:
Written on the box at the back is 狭山茶 sayamacha or Sayama tea. Doesn't get much more direct than that.
Also, the hospital, 七国病院 shichikoku byouin has (or had?) a real-life counterpart in Sayama, called the 八国病院 hachikoku byouin, located in the same area as in the movie.
The real murder took place in May. Also the youngest child is named Mei (pronounced 'May'). This could be a coincidence, but the older sister is named Satsuki, which is also another way to say May.
The Nekobus (the cat bus) is the cariage that takes one to the next world (heaven, hell, whatever). This is given a little reinforcement by the above picture, showing the destination as 墓道, the first character means grave, the second meaning road.
So in the story, the idea is that Mei is murdered after she goes missing. Satsuki, feeling greif decides to join her.
She enters into the realm of the Shinigami (death god) - Totoro. Notice the presence again of the Susuwatari. And the monochromatic lighting. She asks Totoro to take her to her sister and BAM. Suddenly she can see Totoro. She hops into the Nekobus; the vehicle to the next world, and they go to see their mother together, but they don't actually meet her.
There is a strong belief that after Mei goes missing, she has no shadow, apparently adding to the notion that she is dead. Miyazaki commented that this was in fact due to the costs involved in adding shadows.
One thing I did notice, though, was that Satsuki and Mei seem to be colored differently (like... more softly?) once they are both on the Nekobus.
You may ask yourself about the ending credits, which show a happy Mei and Satsuki along with the mother and friends. The favoured explanation is that these are memories from when they were still living.
Another yet stranger rumor is that the movie is segmented; some parts are the present, some are the past or future, some are the work of the father's imagination. This seems a little off until you remember the scene with the huge tree. The children sit atop this huge tree (which umbrellas the small house) playing flutes with the Totoros.
The father looks out to see this, smiles happily and continues his writing. The suggestion is that he is writing about his deceased daughters doing exactly what they are shown doing.
If you want to read a bit more into it, there's a Japanese page about it here which is full of stuff.
Just creeps me out.
Update 07/10/10
Due to the relative popularity of this post, I've decided to do a little more hunting around some Japanese sites for some more interesting information on Totoro. Here's what I got:
When first visiting their mother, the calender at the hospital shows the 9th month (September), but nearing the end of the movie, it shows the 8th month (August) (source). According to here and here, this fit in perfectly with the leap year of 1952, which, as we will see, is the year before the mother in the Sayama incident is reported to have died.
Apparently this gives proof to the interpretation that the Totoro story doesn't flow chronologically. Either that, or the mother is hospitalized for almost a year.
On that same site, it is suggested that one reason the mother couldn't see Mei and Satsuki on the tree is because they were with the Nekobus, who can't be seen by adults.
Another point was brought up about Mei's clothing in the movie poster (the first image in this post), which appeared on the back of the VHS cover. Mei is wearing Satsuki's clothes.
One of the commenters at that site also gave a little more interesting information about the Sayama incident:
狭山事件（Ｓ３８年）だが、被害者のＹ子（当時１６歳、３男４女の三女）の家族構成を調べると・・。Ｙ子の母は精神病院で、脳腫瘍（精神病でない）により、S28年に死亡。さらにさかのぼると、Ｙ子の姉がＳ１８年に３歳で死亡。
ということは、母が病院でいた時、Ｙ子が５～６歳、姉が１３歳（生きていれば）ということになる。
彼女には2人の兄と父（３人の男）がいた。事件当時11歳の弟は、犯人からの脅迫状を持ってきたとされる。
さらに、この事件にかかわる人間の自殺や変死があまりにも多すぎる。６人兄弟で４人が死んでいるし、関係人も・・・。
この家族になにが起こったのか。3人のトトロ（男）の世界と、やさしかった母と母が語る亡き姉の世界。
「おとぎばなし」の鉄則は、「怖い話」マイナス「怖さ」。どうやら、狭山事件がモチーフになっているようだ。
昭和３０年代に
「となりのトトロ」＝所沢のとなり＝狭山
The Sayama Jiken took place in Shouwa 38 (i.e. 1963), but when looking into the family of the victim, dubbed 'Y' (at that time she was 16, she was the third daughter of a family of 3 males and 4 females), it appears that Y's mother was in a mental hospital (though, for a brain tumor, not mental illness). The mother died in Shouwa 28 (1953). Delving further reveals that in Shouwa 18 (1943), Y's older sister died at age 3. Which means, at the time when their mother was in hospital, Y would have been 5-6, and her older sister (if she has still been alive) would have been 13.
The girl had two brothers, and of course there was her father (three males). On the day of the incident, the 11-year old brother received the ransom letter. There were a lot of suicides surrounding the murder. Of the six siblings, four died, not to mention others outside the family. What happened to this family? There is the world of the Totoro (the three males) and the mother and the deceased sister. The fairy tale is this scary tale minus the scary parts. It seems that the Sayama Incident follows this motif. In the 30th year of Showa (1955), Tonari No Totoro meant "Next to Tokorozawa," or in other words, Sayama.
In the scene where Mei is lost and crying, she is sitting next to 6 地蔵 jizou Jizou statues (English Ksitigarbha, a buddhist deity that looks after the souls of deceased children and aborted fetuses in Japanese culture. Apparently these 6 Jizou statues represent 6 people who died in the course of the incident (see above).
Apparently one of the phrases in the lyrics of the song of the Nekobus is "乗ったお客は陽気なおばけ" notta okyaku wa youki na obake, "those guests who ride are cheerful ghosts."
UPDATE: 11/02/12
It should also be noted that, of course, Studio Ghibli has denied these connection. Some arguments saying that even if it were true, it would be terrible PR to have the studio's mascot be tainted by such an image.
It is worth mentioning that there exists a sequel to Tonari no Totoro that follows the story of Mei and the Kitten-bus. The short is 13 minutes and is regularly shown in the Ghibli museum, and has once been shown in America.
A few updates from discussions in the comments: From the Wikipedia entry concerning this unconfirmed dark understory: The real life hospital which became the inspiration for the hospital in the movie was one specializing in serious illnesses like tuberculosis in the 1950s, which again fits into the calendar theory.
It is said that this is why the mother was able to briefly sense her (already dead) daughters nearing the end; she too is near death. Tuberculosis, while better than the previous decade, killed a lot of people in the 50s. This gives more credit to the interpretation of the ending credits being rather imagination, a memory, or a version of heaven made by the girls.
Be sure to check out the page on Miyazaki Hayao's Spirited Away as well!
UPDATE 01/04/12 Not April fool, but I have translated the video below for anyone interested. Unfortunately I can't embed it properly, so click the picture. The original was posted in the comments by HoneyBee. A lot of it is repeating what is on this page, some of it may be new to you! Turn on annotations to see the subtitles.
UPDATE 18 July '12: Just a quick update to show that the sandals which are found are indeed not Mei's; She did not die by drowning in any version of the story.
just recently I hard that there is a darker side to the family film. I was so mind blown when I found out.
If you like to read of it go here>>>>
http://my.opera.com/sukekomashi-gai.....nari-no-totoro
ok just read it here>>>
Tonari No Totoro
Thursday, January 1, 2009 1:20:21 AM
tonari no totoro, scary
Please be aware that this is only a translation and collection from various Japanese websites (most of which are linked to below), and not my personal theory. Feel free to offer any responses, but don't make it personal like some have!
Well, it's been a while since I wrote something, but now I feel like I can actually write a full article about something slightly interesting.
隣のトトロ tonari no totoro is a great movie that all really should see. It's a rare type of movie that can be seen and appreciated by children and adults alike.
The main characters are Satsuki and Mei. One day after moving to a new house, they begin to see strange things. Eventually they meet with a giant mystical creature which they name Totoro.
A very innocent and enjoyable yet heartmoving tale that most Japanese people have seen at least once. If you haven't seen it yet, I would very much recommend it.
But, if you have seen it, there alies in it yet a whole other interpretation to the story... I have to warn you: if you read on, your idea about this movie being a happy childrens movie will change dreadfully.
In fact, you may lose hope in all childrens movies for suspicion that they are all actually morbid stories of death and murder.
I watched the movie once, with my girlfriend and thought it wasn't bad. The ending left me a little unfufilled, but I'm used to that in Japanese movies by now.
I largely forgot my experience with Totoro until one night at work's mini 忘年会 bounenkai, end-of-year party, the subject came up.
One fellow employee (actually he works at a restaurant next door) told me some disturbing rumors about the 20 year old family movie. Let me begin.
The story is far from a happy one. According to him, and apparently a popular urban legend in itself, Totoro and his magical friends are in fact Shinigami, that is to say the gods of death, the grim reaper. Pretty cute for a grim reaper, huh?
It begins with the susuwatari (煤渡り) (a.k.a. makkurokurosuke), those little black balls that they find in the kitchen. The story goes that if you see the susuwatari or Totoro, death is close.
The old woman says that adults can't see the susuwatari or the other mystical beasts. Unexplained though, is why she saw them when she was young. Kanta, the old woman's grandson doesn't seem able to see them.
The real story comes from the history of the Sayama incident (狭山事件 sayama jiken). There seem to be too many coincidences between the Sayama incident and this movie to ignore.
The Sayama incident occured in May 1963. It's quite an important case for discrimination in Japan. The case goes that one day, in Sayama (in Saitama prefecture), a young girl was kidnapped for ransom, raped and then murdered. Her older sister apparently found her body, but was so traumatized by it, when asked what she had seen, she merely said "I met a large Tanuki (looks like a racoon)" and "I saw a cat monster." Sound familiar? Anyway, the older sister later commited suicide.
So let's see. Okay I'll start with the things that are most similar. For one, the house that the family moved to is also in Saitama. It isn't told exactly where, but take a look at this:
Written on the box at the back is 狭山茶 sayamacha or Sayama tea. Doesn't get much more direct than that.
Also, the hospital, 七国病院 shichikoku byouin has (or had?) a real-life counterpart in Sayama, called the 八国病院 hachikoku byouin, located in the same area as in the movie.
The real murder took place in May. Also the youngest child is named Mei (pronounced 'May'). This could be a coincidence, but the older sister is named Satsuki, which is also another way to say May.
The Nekobus (the cat bus) is the cariage that takes one to the next world (heaven, hell, whatever). This is given a little reinforcement by the above picture, showing the destination as 墓道, the first character means grave, the second meaning road.
So in the story, the idea is that Mei is murdered after she goes missing. Satsuki, feeling greif decides to join her.
She enters into the realm of the Shinigami (death god) - Totoro. Notice the presence again of the Susuwatari. And the monochromatic lighting. She asks Totoro to take her to her sister and BAM. Suddenly she can see Totoro. She hops into the Nekobus; the vehicle to the next world, and they go to see their mother together, but they don't actually meet her.
There is a strong belief that after Mei goes missing, she has no shadow, apparently adding to the notion that she is dead. Miyazaki commented that this was in fact due to the costs involved in adding shadows.
One thing I did notice, though, was that Satsuki and Mei seem to be colored differently (like... more softly?) once they are both on the Nekobus.
You may ask yourself about the ending credits, which show a happy Mei and Satsuki along with the mother and friends. The favoured explanation is that these are memories from when they were still living.
Another yet stranger rumor is that the movie is segmented; some parts are the present, some are the past or future, some are the work of the father's imagination. This seems a little off until you remember the scene with the huge tree. The children sit atop this huge tree (which umbrellas the small house) playing flutes with the Totoros.
The father looks out to see this, smiles happily and continues his writing. The suggestion is that he is writing about his deceased daughters doing exactly what they are shown doing.
If you want to read a bit more into it, there's a Japanese page about it here which is full of stuff.
Just creeps me out.
Update 07/10/10
Due to the relative popularity of this post, I've decided to do a little more hunting around some Japanese sites for some more interesting information on Totoro. Here's what I got:
When first visiting their mother, the calender at the hospital shows the 9th month (September), but nearing the end of the movie, it shows the 8th month (August) (source). According to here and here, this fit in perfectly with the leap year of 1952, which, as we will see, is the year before the mother in the Sayama incident is reported to have died.
Apparently this gives proof to the interpretation that the Totoro story doesn't flow chronologically. Either that, or the mother is hospitalized for almost a year.
On that same site, it is suggested that one reason the mother couldn't see Mei and Satsuki on the tree is because they were with the Nekobus, who can't be seen by adults.
Another point was brought up about Mei's clothing in the movie poster (the first image in this post), which appeared on the back of the VHS cover. Mei is wearing Satsuki's clothes.
One of the commenters at that site also gave a little more interesting information about the Sayama incident:
狭山事件（Ｓ３８年）だが、被害者のＹ子（当時１６歳、３男４女の三女）の家族構成を調べると・・。Ｙ子の母は精神病院で、脳腫瘍（精神病でない）により、S28年に死亡。さらにさかのぼると、Ｙ子の姉がＳ１８年に３歳で死亡。
ということは、母が病院でいた時、Ｙ子が５～６歳、姉が１３歳（生きていれば）ということになる。
彼女には2人の兄と父（３人の男）がいた。事件当時11歳の弟は、犯人からの脅迫状を持ってきたとされる。
さらに、この事件にかかわる人間の自殺や変死があまりにも多すぎる。６人兄弟で４人が死んでいるし、関係人も・・・。
この家族になにが起こったのか。3人のトトロ（男）の世界と、やさしかった母と母が語る亡き姉の世界。
「おとぎばなし」の鉄則は、「怖い話」マイナス「怖さ」。どうやら、狭山事件がモチーフになっているようだ。
昭和３０年代に
「となりのトトロ」＝所沢のとなり＝狭山
The Sayama Jiken took place in Shouwa 38 (i.e. 1963), but when looking into the family of the victim, dubbed 'Y' (at that time she was 16, she was the third daughter of a family of 3 males and 4 females), it appears that Y's mother was in a mental hospital (though, for a brain tumor, not mental illness). The mother died in Shouwa 28 (1953). Delving further reveals that in Shouwa 18 (1943), Y's older sister died at age 3. Which means, at the time when their mother was in hospital, Y would have been 5-6, and her older sister (if she has still been alive) would have been 13.
The girl had two brothers, and of course there was her father (three males). On the day of the incident, the 11-year old brother received the ransom letter. There were a lot of suicides surrounding the murder. Of the six siblings, four died, not to mention others outside the family. What happened to this family? There is the world of the Totoro (the three males) and the mother and the deceased sister. The fairy tale is this scary tale minus the scary parts. It seems that the Sayama Incident follows this motif. In the 30th year of Showa (1955), Tonari No Totoro meant "Next to Tokorozawa," or in other words, Sayama.
In the scene where Mei is lost and crying, she is sitting next to 6 地蔵 jizou Jizou statues (English Ksitigarbha, a buddhist deity that looks after the souls of deceased children and aborted fetuses in Japanese culture. Apparently these 6 Jizou statues represent 6 people who died in the course of the incident (see above).
Apparently one of the phrases in the lyrics of the song of the Nekobus is "乗ったお客は陽気なおばけ" notta okyaku wa youki na obake, "those guests who ride are cheerful ghosts."
UPDATE: 11/02/12
It should also be noted that, of course, Studio Ghibli has denied these connection. Some arguments saying that even if it were true, it would be terrible PR to have the studio's mascot be tainted by such an image.
It is worth mentioning that there exists a sequel to Tonari no Totoro that follows the story of Mei and the Kitten-bus. The short is 13 minutes and is regularly shown in the Ghibli museum, and has once been shown in America.
A few updates from discussions in the comments: From the Wikipedia entry concerning this unconfirmed dark understory: The real life hospital which became the inspiration for the hospital in the movie was one specializing in serious illnesses like tuberculosis in the 1950s, which again fits into the calendar theory.
It is said that this is why the mother was able to briefly sense her (already dead) daughters nearing the end; she too is near death. Tuberculosis, while better than the previous decade, killed a lot of people in the 50s. This gives more credit to the interpretation of the ending credits being rather imagination, a memory, or a version of heaven made by the girls.
Be sure to check out the page on Miyazaki Hayao's Spirited Away as well!
UPDATE 01/04/12 Not April fool, but I have translated the video below for anyone interested. Unfortunately I can't embed it properly, so click the picture. The original was posted in the comments by HoneyBee. A lot of it is repeating what is on this page, some of it may be new to you! Turn on annotations to see the subtitles.
UPDATE 18 July '12: Just a quick update to show that the sandals which are found are indeed not Mei's; She did not die by drowning in any version of the story.
basically, none of this is true, it's just a fan's imagination.
I doubt Studio Ghibli/Miyazaki would seriously bother to add an entire hidden story into one of their movies. It would just be a waste of time that adds nothing to the quality of the movie.
I actually like the movie better now.
but... I mean.... I have a hard time imagining it being so true. And the comments are making me feel even more split!