A interesting question to you guys. PvA Related.
12 years ago
So, here is what sup. I was talking to a friend about foods that are more healthy for my diet like fruits, herbs and vegetables. Form that, I started thinking of Pokemon that resemble foods or plants used for herbs. For example, Paras/Parasect, Cherubi, Burmy, Sunkern, the Oddish family line. There are some more Pokemon that fit this theme too. There are a number of things I'm wondering about with this.
1: Would such Pokemon be meat-like or fruit-like? Looking at a Pokemon like Cherubi, I'd think it has a more fruity taste rather then a meat taste. But if it's a living animal, would that mean it would be a meat taste?
2: Would the Pokemon in the world of PvA consider such Pokemon on the menu like fruits are to us? It's seeming more that way to me. However, another thing that comes to mind here is would the Pokemon consume such Pokemon like we do with fruits? This includes preparing the Pokemon. It is a bit of a grim image to think of imo, but it also fits in the food chain world.
3: With that said. Do you guys think this concept would be a OK thing to incorporate into PvA? I do see it as a means to give the world of PvA more depth and feel. Thro, I wouldn't give detailed info on how said Pokemon would be prepared. Just touched upon from time to time.
4: Last thing is simply about, is this something that people would be able to handle? I's iffy if you think of it. Using animals for food in video games is a very normal thing. However, they are mostly animals we already picture as food, like chickens and cows. On the other paw, as far as I know, there isn't many games that have animals like cats or dogs used in such a way as normal food. Other then games that have a food chain theme to them.
Point I'm getting at is would I lose audience by including such a concept? I want to make a game that has a wide range of appeal. Would I put some limit on appeal by adding this?
Please share your thoughts on the matter. I really would like some feedback on this idea.
1: Would such Pokemon be meat-like or fruit-like? Looking at a Pokemon like Cherubi, I'd think it has a more fruity taste rather then a meat taste. But if it's a living animal, would that mean it would be a meat taste?
2: Would the Pokemon in the world of PvA consider such Pokemon on the menu like fruits are to us? It's seeming more that way to me. However, another thing that comes to mind here is would the Pokemon consume such Pokemon like we do with fruits? This includes preparing the Pokemon. It is a bit of a grim image to think of imo, but it also fits in the food chain world.
3: With that said. Do you guys think this concept would be a OK thing to incorporate into PvA? I do see it as a means to give the world of PvA more depth and feel. Thro, I wouldn't give detailed info on how said Pokemon would be prepared. Just touched upon from time to time.
4: Last thing is simply about, is this something that people would be able to handle? I's iffy if you think of it. Using animals for food in video games is a very normal thing. However, they are mostly animals we already picture as food, like chickens and cows. On the other paw, as far as I know, there isn't many games that have animals like cats or dogs used in such a way as normal food. Other then games that have a food chain theme to them.
Point I'm getting at is would I lose audience by including such a concept? I want to make a game that has a wide range of appeal. Would I put some limit on appeal by adding this?
Please share your thoughts on the matter. I really would like some feedback on this idea.
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But of course, foxy points out a good note as well, which also needs to be taken into consideration. It's all up to you though, and your project, so I'll be content with whatever decision you make.
There. now i have babbled mine. Back into the shadows i go! *Whoosh!*
If I remember correctly, pokemon in your game world don't eat other pokemon as food, so they probably wouldn't eat them even if they looked like fruits. The aliens though, I dunno, they might? They're your aliens after all =p
Let me give a for-instance, just to give an idea of where I'm going with this.
Pokemon like Lugia, (Legendary) have vast levels of knowledge to some degree, and know some kind of telepathy (as shown in movies anyway). They have an obvious standing on sentience.
However, the lower the ranking of a pokemon, the less sentient they can become. It doesn't mean that they cannot, but the likelihood isn't there. Certain pokemon such as Ninetales and Arcanine are almost clear-cut choices for sentient Pokemon, whereas bug pokemon such as the Weedle line may simply act out their functions (Murder Wasps) without ever gaining sentience.
It would be a fair assumption that grass Pokemon are, in fact, plants in some way. And if adding the idea of sentience, then it makes eating them a lot less... well... dunno a good word for it, but it wouldn't be frowned upon, I'd think.
I do not think you would lose audience by making some of the pokemon species lesser ones in the eyes of the society of your game, as long as there was some justification for it. Nor would you likely suffer if an isolated group treated sentient beings as food without giving it a second thought. The whole of the society doing so would likely be quite unpleasant though. As for the taste/composition of plant pokemon, well, realistically they would have to be rather meat like and thus meat tasting. But this is a game with imaginary talking animals and a predatory species arriving from space, so realism isn't such an important factor in every area, wouldn't you say?
Personally, I love the idea of sentient beings preying on each other even within their own societies x3 and depending on how you develop the society it could work, or you could portray everyone as crazy psychopaths.
But, keeping to reality, most animals and creatures don't prey upon their own kind, first and foremost (unless their is conflict involved, such as waring tribes, fights for power or position). As levels of sentience arise more and more people of that society will grow to want protection from death and will seek to find and teach others this as well, thus trying to push back violent answers for more peaceful ones. But as we all know, even at our current level of sentience and growth as a species violence, conflict, war, is all still quite real and even though most of us don't want this to happen, it does anyways.
So basically what I'm getting at that if you look at the sentient argument, we still kill each other when there's conflict involved and moralize that it's okay cus "they are the bad guys" or what have you. That's basically how people are okay with the aliens being eatin cus... well they ain't cus and they want our planet! Conflict~~
now with pokemon they are wildly different animals and species, you could tribal them off into select groups of kinds and each group doesn't take too kindly to the others. But, you seem to want a more diverse populace that lives in cities and towns so that may not be as good idea.
But this is all assuming they follow the same kind of moral system that we do as humans, where we want to treat all sentient life as precious and of equal worth. That being said... it usually has to be our same level of sentience to count. We still eat cows, pigs, even dolphins and apes in some places which are considered to be some of the smartest animals.
So basically, one idea is you can portray plant pokemon as being very base animals. Their function is to live, sleep, eat, and produce more plant pokemon. They are inteligent but not to the point of carying about much beyond their main wants and needs. They could even have speech but if you portray plant pokemon as simply very base creatures, eating them wouldn't be as problimatic.
This also goes with bug pokemon or anything on the lower sentience level kind of scale.
Another idea you could do is that plant pokemon are "different" in that they don't like their kind being preyed upon, this includes the non sentient plants and berries that scatter your world. You could make them druidic in a sense, nature loving, and all other non plant pokemon are a sin against nature :P so there ya go, you got conflict and a reason for the two groups to eat each other.
So they are wild pokemon essentially like the bugs.
That's another conflict to "wild vs civilized" so there's still a way to incorporate tribal ideas vs tamed society. (I do hope you add in the ability to eat pokemon x3 I really do~ Maybe even on the civilized people just for us cruel lovers :P but it's like a game over if you do or something. Or maybe you can make it part of the game which has consequences later down the road, maybe the character is trying to struggle with whats right and wrong now that she has the power of vore)
As for cooking, honestly it's digestion in stomach acid or death by extreme heat... it's all about appearances so if it's not gorey then it's fine. And if people speak about it like it's a normal thing, then we as the viewers will think it is as well. I think, since it's fantasy, just go ahead and make plant pokemon have plant insides :3 solves the gore issue right there if you cut one up into a salad.
But considering your world, most don't know how to eat pokemon whole so they would probably stick to cooking until vore become a more normal thing. (unless the plants are small enough I suppose)
I actually have a story series I'll be writing and drawing up eventually that involves the adventures of a certain character through the ages, he'll be involved in tribes, medieval days, modern, and future, and I plan to touch on many topics about how vore can seem normal and morally okay thing in all those types of societies.
Cus in the end, vore can be thought of as a tool. In the right hands, under the right circumstances, it can be thought of as using for good or using it correctly, in the wrong hands vore can be used for what's considered evil.
It's all about perspective, but vore itself isn't inherently evil. Which is why we all like it so much :3 it's a natural need, we all gotta eat.
(hope that wasn't too confusing and I'm eagerly awaiting the next demo~ )
There's also the fact that this is a vore game we're talking about, and I'm pretty sure that it's all gonna be soft vore w/digestion, anyways. x3
I'm anxiously awaiting the next demo as well, especially with the teaser for later on in this game that was shown inside the Voremon game. x3
There are a few games involving food chains with creatures, and yes, normally some countries don't cook and eat cat/dog as a natural thing, but there can be that eventually.
As for plant pokemon, they are technically plants, with no meat inside, just juicy plant-ness. Even have pokemon that are harvested for the resources on them. Bananas for one, milk for other, and so on. I'd say plants won't have meat unless they have fleshy parts within them. The line with weepinbell and victribell is one example.
As for pokemon eating eachother, i'd say they do that in fact, since it's been said alot. Just not shown in pokemon games/movies/show/mange, but HINTED. Though, i could be wrong, i could've sworn there was cooked magikarp at one point. Funny how such intensively strong and ever-evolving creatures can become food to the smallest of things like they were nothing.
Honestly, i'd say in a society of nothing but pokemon (if you decide to keep humans out of your game), they'd eat eachother, just, not in a soft way, though no description is ever required for that, since anyone would know where it ends. Doesn't mean they can't show friendships between eachother.
Thats basically my... 5 cents i suppose?
And it makes me curious how 'legendary' pokemon fit in. Though it would probably be quite the challenge if we were to get rid of 'level' caps and go for raw power, i'd say just facing a virizion or maybe even dialga would be quite the tough chore for their attempts at taking over the planet, considering dialga can stop them with time, and palkia can, well... erase something like it never existed. Then theres Giratina, and it's... Universe? Dimension? World? It's a confusing design of gravity on clumps of floating land with, maybe a bottom? It's like space only with infinite land like a giant planet of ever-expanding space, at least to me.
I'd probably call Cobalion's 'legendary musketeers' group would be quite a team of being a ward against them, at least until they become overpowered. Even though i'd still find a certain concept of 'gaining the power of another through devourment' quite a stretch, though i'm the kind of dbz guy who goes with the whole "no pain no gain" deal of rpg styles, despite power not being an issue, but the skill of said wielder. It's like one quote. "What good is power, if you cannot use it properly?".
Honestly, i doubt having legendaries, and basing their power on the anime would help, since with how they're portrayed, the anime keeps making them 'dumbed down' in terms of power. I mean, if they have such a high job that arceus made them for, whats good of being weak with jobs? Sure, they don't have time to protect everyone, but they do work on keeping the world in balance.
Heres how i see it. Arceus keeps the life of all pokemon from disappearing. Palkia and Dialga manages space and time, to keep it from collapsing. Since Cobalion and group is said to be portrayed from the musketeers, i'd imagine them being wandering defenders keeping the peace. Since Reshiram and Zekrom apparently 'have the power to change the world based on truth (Reshiram), or ideals (Zekrom)', i'd say they're more of a unused, basically having no reason to do much in the world aside from protecting themselves. (just can't think) Theres also Giratina. As said, it's territorial, so it probably won't do nothing unless they threaten the reverse world, but that may make it attack pokemon too.
There is just too many legendary pokemon, that i'm used to mewtwo and mew.
Ah, theres also one thing. What of mega evolutions? And Gen 6? I'm curious what you have in take to such?