there's a difference between eating something and wanting it to not suffer :V

Pretty much this.

there isnt though?
animals suffer when they are murdered for your meal
murder is never humane

I'm pretty sure the pneumatic skull-crusher thing they use to kill cows is a lot less suffering than a chicken living in a cage just barely bigger than its body for most of its life

youre just comparing methods of torture used on animals so you can consume their flesh
the point is they do not need to suffer and you dont need to consume them.

one is clearly worse than the other but I'm not going to continue discussing it with you because you're a fucking idiot and all you wanted was to incite this

i dont understand what you are trying to say? one method of torture is not as bad as the other? what? i think ive misunderstood you.
and no what i actually wanted was to have a proper discussion about why you eat meat.

"if you actively choose to eat animals"
what about people who, for medical reasons, have to eat meat? i mean it's not like vegans give a fuck about human lives considering it's low wage workers in other countries that pick their fruit and veg lol but whatever
and the fact that MORE animals are killed to protect crops than we actually eat?? unless you know 100% where your veg and fruit is coming from it's just as likely that animals suffered to produce vegetables and fruit as they did to produce meat. the different is meat is getting eaten. this is if you truly believe that "suffering is suffering" and the cause for it doesn't matter as you've said in comments.

animals in the wild and captivity suffer. it's a fact of life. what we CAN do is minimize suffering. why is it horrible and evil for a human (since a human is an animal) to eat meat but not for other predators to do so?
i can be for animal welfare and eat them.
animals die no matter what. cows and chickens cannot live in the wild. if all humans ceased eating them there would be no use for them and they would just die out bc not many people are going to keep cows as pets, are they.

also you seem to like taxidermy. why is it ok to keep bones/skulls/pelts when you have no idea where they come from (from "natural deaths" or fur farms) and not to eat meat? (just fyi i'm into taxidermy as well, i just don't understand how someone can say "well you can't be for animal rights if you eat meat" and love owning dead animal parts at the same time, lol). is it ok for an animal to be killed for fur/culled for other reasons and the pelt used but not the meat?

so tldr; some people do have to eat meat for medical or money reasons. not everyone is a middle class brat who can suddenly decided to swear off meat and milk. owning animals with intent to eat them is NOT torture if done ethically. animals killed by other animals often suffer much more than when ethically killed by humans.

thats why i said ACTIVELY CHOOSE
and what medical condition requires you to eat meat? if you know please tell me i like to educate myself.

what makes you think that just because vegans care about animal's lives,they don't care about human's lives??? I'm pretty sure you can support more than one thing. Also working in a slaughter house is incredible dangerous and damaging (http://www.foodispower.org/slaughterhouse-workers/) so you can say that low wage worker shit to yourself.

you say we can minimise suffering but how can you say that when you continue to kill them??
predators in the wild NEED to eat other animals to survive. we do not. we can survive fine on a plant based diet.

when you say "i can be for animal welfare and eat them" do you really believe that? how can you honestly think its okay to kill an animal for no reason other than cause you fancied a burger??? and then claim you care about animals? what???

cows and other animals raised for food cause more damage and pollution than cars (http://www.downtoearth.org/environment/top-10-reasons)
so maybe its a good thing if they die out. Also its disgusting that you think animals have to be useful and benefit humans. what kind of thinking is that?

i must admit i previously used to be into taxidermy a hell of a lot, and i collected a few pelts and bits. i never used to source them or really cared either. but i eventually realised how disgusting my behaviour was and sort to change it so i have given away my pelts and am in the process of giving away my other bits and bobs and will never collect pelts and fur again. However i do still purchase and collect domestic animal skulls (such as cats and dogs that have been put down), and wild animal skulls i find. I honestly cannot see any harm in collecting the skulls of animals that have died naturally or have had to been put to sleep.

meat is more expensive than vegetables or grains. go to tesco have a look. so i dont buy that money reason shit. Why do you think it's expensive having a meat-free diet??

you can keep a cow in your living room and feed them the best food ever and give them hugs every day but killing is killing. its unnecessary death.

but animals in the wild who hunt need to to survive. if they dont they will die. you wont.

also i'm not really on here too much, so if you want to continue debating stuff im over at weasyl with the same username.