While I admit that I do prefer cismale, I agree that it's completely rude and selfish to expect someone to tailor their own character to someone else's specifications. If people want male body parts, they could look for some other character, or even make their own! The most important thing is that the character's owner/creator is comfortable with the character's appearance and traits, otherwise, what's the point of having a character, particularly one that is supposed to represent you on some level?

I originally thought that terms like cuntboy were extremely offensive until I realized that oftentimes people use them without any derogatory intent, so now I don't get a kneejerk reaction when I hear it, but I avoid using it in case other people do find it offensive, and I opt for the more 'official-sounding' terms like intersex male or just a plain description of the organs that are/aren't present (e.g. with vagina and penis, no testicles; or with vagina and testicles, no penis). Partly because I'm not transsexual myself, I can't fully put myself in their position and know for sure which terms are considered offensive and which aren't, so I go with extra caution just in case.

As for artists...I haven't heard any of the artists I know say that they don't want to fetishize trans* people, though I know some who don't feel confident they could draw them due to lack of experience. In my opinion, if you find the picture arousing, it has a fetish element, but that doesn't mean it doesn't go deeper. It seems perfectly reasonable to identify with a certain character, gender assignment, body type or even species and have a deep connection to those traits, while at the same time finding them a turn-on. If the artists in question don't feel comfortable drawing that it's okay I guess, but I don't think that just because something is fetishized it is in any way belittled or robbed of the capacity to be deeper, it just means there are several layers to it, as with most things. In other words, there are many reasons to want to have an intersex character and these reasons are not mutually exclusive, any combination of these reasons is possible.

Exactly my point, to tell me that I'm cuter/sexier/whatever with a dick, is just downright rude. Find another cat with a cock then if that's what you're looking for! >:I

And yeah, I've always kinda been on the fence with the term. Like, I personally have nothing against it (I hated the boy part more then anything), but I completely respect others feeling on the word!

Right there with ya man!

I just really want artists to think about it before they say no to drawing us. This is me, I have one character and it's because that's what I identify with solely; irl and online I identify as intersex/cboy and saying we disturb you or bother you or whatever else is truly hurtful. So please consider your thought process before you say that.

Intersex people do really exist, anthro animals do not; maybe take that into account if nothing else.

Anyway I support you all the way!

Oh you, you already know how I feel about this stuff u wu

Sorry to hear about the rudeness, and I understand completely in terms of the irl stuff, and plan to hopefully as soon as possible transitioning at least halfway, to be more comfortable ^.///.^

Idk about the silliness of the term cuntboy, I relate to it more than other terms, and get a bit annoyed by the fetishizing trans people thing when they're two different things imho, and I personally find the whole cisgeder thing ridiculous.

Also, to answer you're question about cuntboys being a fetishizing thing, I think you aren't personally, since I also have my fursona as one to represent who I would love to be one day for the comfortableness of it more than just the adult aspect (tho it is a plus <,< ) <3

Hee! Well, I wish us both the best of luck on the transition!

Hehe, thankies and same here, I wish you plenty of luck as well <333

I love your sona as it really is. I draw every male with a penis but gladly see the reality and sexiness behind the intersex design...honestly find it pretty hot x3 As a bisexual male, being attracted to male and female anatomy I suppose just makes it come across as normal, so it's hard to speak for other people. I'm sorry you've been met with such rude comments though.

Oh you u wu ~<3
Thank you so much! The rudeness isn't the norm, but it does certainly happen more often then I'd like!

Heh no prob x3 Regardless of anatomy, what is cute and sexy is what is cute and sexy.

At least it isn't the norm, you should have as much support as possible and beetchslap those who interfere lol

Oh I will, trust me!

I keep the pimp hand strong!

Good, bitches need to be put in thier place when they speak out of turn

Wish you luck man. Though I'd hate myself if I didn't ask what has brought you to feel this way? I hope this doesn't sound rude because I mean anything but it. I've had fantasy of transitioning from male to female gentiles while staying as a male or being a cuntboy from the start, but they have never really been at the fore front of my sexual identity. Just fantastical what if's. Again I hope this doesn't come off as offensive.

No no it's totally ok! I'm an open book and don't mind sharing~<3

But when I was really young (Like 10 or younger) I used to be SUPER jealous of all my female friends, and even remember sneaking some of my dad's porno mags and thinking the female form was beautiful and etc etc, growing up to hate how I was thicker/hairy as a teen since I couldn't even pass off as the typical femboy look (Especially in a school where most if not all the gay dudes around were more along the thin/feminine side, which I was the complete opposite of no matter how hard I tried). But as I started to get older and dating , he kinda taught me more to find myself attractive and appreciate my body type and what have you, while also getting a little more into the "bear" scene.

Well a couple of years ago, we had a BIIIIIG blow out when he admitted he was Bi, which led to me being super depressed and scared he was going to find a girl instead or something, until I stopped and really thought of why I was taking it so badly; it wasn't being afraid he was going to leave me for a girl, it was more me suppressing the part of me I grew to dislike (The want to be feminine/be a girl), and realizing I was more jealous of them instead? It's a little hard to explain there, but along all of this, I've ALWAYS hated my...ahem, bits, regardless how much I loved being 'manly'...and it kinda manifested from there. Even when I was like "Fuck yeah I'm a sexy bear dude!", I still hated what was between my legs, but tried to push it into the back of my mind.

It was then I came across 'cuntboys', and realized how much I loved them, and I finally had a sort of...title, for how I felt? Also I finally felt like I belonged somewhere, if that makes any sense? I remember the first time I admitted to him I was even thinking of switching to being an intersex character online, I sweated bullets and thought he would think I was just joking or being just being weird or gross or whatever, and he just hugged me and said he loved me no matter what and it was very emotional for us both ; w;

So yeah, long story short, I've never liked my junk even if I enjoy being masculine, and would consider myself a man/male regardless of what's between my legs

Aww that is really touching and I hope you the best man, I am glad you found someone who can love you like he does. And I can understand what you mean with feeling like you belonged.

Sorry for the wall of text u xu;;

That's fascinating, and I support you all the way, kitty. :3

Thank ya croccy u wu ~<3

Oh people disliking minorities is a pretty usual thing, sadly intersex males are far far too away from the popular social issues, i mean people still have problems with normal transsexuals. So you ll have to deal with such kind of attitudes, or build a time machine and move to the future :p

Though i understand that the term cuntboy definitely does not sound good and does focus way too much on the genitals like cboys are some kind of sex toy, i dont see how exactly you would be able to change that in order to make people use a better term, especially since too many people already know and use the word cboys.
Intersex male might be a politically correct term but it does not make what you are very clear, especially for people who dont know anything about the intersex community.

It is a very frustrating, uphill battle!

Hee, thank you! Any and all support is always appreciated u wu

I always considered "cuntboys" a separate thing from transgender. Transgender is a real thing in life. Cuntboys by and large seem to be born that way or transformed or whatever. They don't seemingly have to transition, and they usually don't have the same attributes as a transgender person would IRL (mastectomy scars, for example, which I see on pics tagged as "ftm"). I think "cuntboys" are something created for porn, a fantasy, while trans folk are living, breathing people.

Cuntboy is kind of a dumb term, but "dickgirl" is fairly popular and it's the reverse. If someone came up with a better name, I'd be happy to use it.

Also, I never understood the "don't fetishize trans* people" thing... I mean, isn't the point of porn to fetishize things? Is porn of a girl fetishizing women? Makes no sense imo. I just don't see why it's a sin to be turned on by something I guess. I can fap to simulated rape and not be a rapist, etc.

Do I sound dumb or uninformed? I'm not meaning to.

Well that's what I mean, I can understand that cuntboys in themselves are, yes, primarily a fantasy in itself, but one can still identify as one, or wish to be or begin their transitioning towards becoming the equivalent. (Ironically I've met two separate ftm's who actually liked being called a cuntboy, go figure!)

And the whole fetishizing thing, I completely agree...porn is porn regardless who/what/etc is being viewed, just seems silly to me

That's really cool, Wick! I had wondered if it was just a thing for your character or if you actually wanted to transition at some point. More power too ya!

Also, as a fun fact waaaaaay back when you first watched me from your Killianaka account I had actually thought you might have been female for some reason. Like, that didn't even change until you made your current account XD I dunno if it just wasn't payin' attention or whatever but yeah.

In any case I am overjoyed to hear that you're feelin' more comfortable with yourself, at least insofar as you know that you want to change and aren't scared to admit it. I really respect that a lot. I'm sure you will be quite the saucy lady <3

Like a girl with a guy character or summat? xD

And pshaw, thank you dude u wu;; , although I'll be no lady! I'll still be quite the dude, just with lady parts?

Yeah, exactly. I dunno why XD

And hey, that works just as well~! Whatever ya do, I support ya fully too, so long as yer happy.

Gosh you wierdo! x3

And hee, thanks! It honestly makes me super happy, you'd be surprised how many people were more like "Ehh...if you want it I guess." or just overall kinda negative even in their indifference? Idk xD

Yeah, I totally get that. I mean it's really no one's business what you do with your body and your life. It -is- your friends' business, however, to support you no matter what that is. I'm stoked you came to this decision and actually want to do it!

More power to ya luv. Really shouldn't matter whether anyone likes 'it' or not, what matters if that you are happy. I wish you all the luck in the world, and hope you are happy with whatever choices you make in life. Keep on Keeping on, we'll be behind you one hundred percent...or in front of you...or on top...or underneath...whatever floats your boat (sorry, dick move...just...just meant to be funny...really do wish you luck)

Hello there I stopped by your page (saw your shout) and as a (older i guess) straight male I found this rant journal both informative and interesting. I have no idea what an intersexed male or CSImale is and i know the internet will be of no piratical use thanks to misinformation (curse you 4chan and urban dictionary). I promise that the rock I live under has internet and a way to the outside world these are just new things I don't hear about enough to know what's up with them aside from the occasional post on tumblr. Do you have time to answer some of my questions at some point so I might educate myself on this matter? Reading stuff on tumblr(or other social media) or hearing it in casual conversation and having no idea what's going on is...grating.

Side note /rant of my own.

I feel that most people abuse the term "fetish" in relation what should be called a "kink". Fetish is something you NEED to get off. A kink is more of a personal preference that turns you on but isn't required.
Also if someone feels the need to look up the definition of Fetish I will agree that the word fetish has more than one definition but i will defend my point that as time went on the term fetish gained something of a lose association with other terms rather than a clear (like it used to be) definition. I will also maul you with extreme intent to dismember and disable.

Hee, well I appreciate you taking the time to read and learn regardless! I'd be more then happy to answer any and all questions the best I can

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