i want a opinion...Underrated artist
11 years ago
General
FIRST OFF THIS IS NOT ABOUT ME! I DONT CARE ABOUT MY VIEWS! IM TALKING ABOUT PEOPLE WHO HAVE 100 PAGEVIEWS. AND PAINT THINGS LIKE GODS...!
sorry sorry ignore my vent. I've been getting mad at artists lately because...
1) their artist who put THEIR TIME AND EFFORT INTO EVERYTHING and then don't get the views and comments they deserve THEN SOME FUCKING LAZY ASS ARTISTS GETS IT? NO FUCKING WAY.
2) there are YCHs that ARE THE SAME! but because its a popular artists THEIR SHIT GETS SEEN FIRST? WHY!
3) i put time and effort into backgrounds and shading and everything and get. 45-60 views. THEN SOMEONE WHO DOES A FLAT ART? A CRAPPY DRAWN FLAT ART. GETS 200-400 VIEWS AND COMMENTS? really....
i dont understand WHY!
there are so many SO MANY, underrated artists and it makes me so mad that i can't just help them all. I’m just tired of artist who are so underrated that do good work go unnoticed because they don’t have enough views. its not FUCKING FAIR! like we are not good enough or something or because we dont have enough views commissioners just WALK BY US LIKE TRASH. i hate it so much. NOW im not saying this because i dont have views, im SAYING THIS because IM UPSET. i am so FED UP WITH POPULAR ARTISTS vs. THE UNDERDOGS.
i can give an example~
a popular CLAIMED to have a design stolen by one of my best friends on here and MADE A HUGE BIG FUCKING DEAL ABOUT. AND because she has so many watchers, and because SHES POPULAR. everyone went against my friend. REALLY?
heres another one
if an underdog artist was to put up a YCH and the autobuy was $30. mind you, the piece is COMPLETELY SHADED AND HAS A BACKGROUND AT THAT PRICE, and a popular artist was to put up a similar posed YCH and for $30 you would get from them A COLORED SKETCH, THATS NOT SHADE OR HAS A BACKGROUND. just a sketched character. WHAT IS THE DIFFERENCE on spending on them WHEN YOU COULD GET A SHADE PIECE WITH CLEAN LINES AND A BACKGROUND FOR THE SAME PRICE from the underdog artist?
UGH! i just dont understand....
let me ask you guys then,
1) is this fair?
2) what do you think is fair?
3) AM I WRONG?
i want your opinions, your views.
FA+

NWABUVBERABVU EKRABUIBVENBNEJKBAINB SEEEEEE! SEEEE!ughhh so flipping angry man.
I think all art should be weighed equally, and not judged by who or what is in it. At least that's how I feel about it. ^^
But no worries! The Julango Species will fix this for sure!
UGH I LOVE YOU DARK! *huggles*
this is the words of true person! its just not fair. ugh...
I HOPE SO! hehe
You're Welcome, Sweetie.
I also hate how some new artist feel they can only get ahead by drawing
porn... it's sad really... and this is the very reason I browse FA, I find artist
who I feel are just amazing but have under 100 watchers. I'm not popular
myself, but I feel it's only fair to help others when I can.
oooh zeliv i know you do~
you are one of the few people that i know who does and it makes me happy. i do it too. i watch EVERY BODY with low views.
im going to do a feature journal too.
i get so mad when they say or ask. "should i do porn?" NO WHY? because everyone is doing it? NO! do it BECAUSE YOU WANT TOO!
ugh... anger
NOPE its not, i can feel it.OH MY GLOB! I JUST REALIZED SHE DOES XDDDI have a piece that is full colour, shaded, background and all and I have maybe 50 views on it, then you look at another artist, super popular and gets thousands of views for a half assed doodle and money thrown at them left right and center.
The underdog artists who actually need help are getting very little. The popular artist on the other hand? Wants money for, lets say, a 3 foot transformer statue. People donate a combined total of a couple thousand. The statue only costs a couple hundred.
Then you have the popular artists who think they are so god damn good they can charge anything they want for their piece. EX: one artist I know charges $75+ for flats and their shit isn't even that good. And then they think because they are so popular they can freely put down other artists, IN THEIR STREAM, because they aren't popular and aren't charging a fucking arm and leg.
"If you think its shit, it probably is. If you think its not worth someones $20, its probably isn't worth it." - An artist I used to look up to but turned out to be SUPER dickish
Its bullshit..
IN THEIR STREAMS? ARE YOU KIDDING ME?!? REALLY?!? thats cruel as shit.
I WOULD BURN THAT PERSON. -.- thats just not right at all. so fucked up.
anyways~
yes i totally agree with you love. I LOVE YOUR ART WORK. and it gets me so mad when i KNOW you put so effort into it and it doesnt get views.
ugh...anger rising. so much
They recently did a donation thing just for the fucking hell of it, and got.... over $10 000? wasn't for anything special either, they didn't need help, just wanted money money money.
Its kinda funny... out of my most recent pieces, my sketchu chibi adopts have the most views c': nearing 200.. not many sold despite that
Its maddening seeing AWESOME artists get very very minimal views.
HOLY FUCK! thats...thats insane...no no no no no no no no thats not right at all...
oooo i would give them something to talk about. i would get bane though.
I KNOW. chibis :3
it is...it makes me angry. BAH!
Time to do more chibis and boobs!
XDDD oh love lolyes more boobs!
Lin you too man~im tired of seeing your work get lost into the fucked internet man. its beautiful and it doesnt get seen.
lol noyour work is beautiful! aww thank you <3
Lastly, you're not wrong. Voicing your thoughts is never wrong, and moreso when tackling an issue like this. Keep doing what you do, and I promise you'll get you recognition.
I DONT CARE ABOUT ME. im fine. i like what get and I LOVE MY WATCHERS you included.
but its just so much effort WASTED ON WHAT?
to get pushed over and to the side?
i get what your saying. AND TRUST ME. they do~but my point is that if a popular artist did something. EVERYONE WOULD BE AT THEIR FEET KISSING THEIR ASS and then if an underrated artist did something that was TWO TIMES BETTER then get ignored?
I can see many people with a ...well "Low quality" output on art and get tons of commissions and views solely cause they can talk and Manipulate.
Sad it kinda true, But if we stay honest and keep working hard we may work our lives away but sometimes it will pay off.
im going to quote you. i love that what you said. the last sentence.
its true! we work and work and work, and get nothing.
BUT YOU KNOW WHAT IVE IMPROVED SO MUCH! so im glad shit like is happening. because i learn and get better.
very wise lolYou have to realize that realistically an artist SHOULD be charging what the more popular artists are charging. However with mass media websites like DA and FA many artists fly under the radar for years and couldn't dream of charging what their art is actually worth because they don't have the support from the community.
I think you're going about this all wrong. You shouldn't be mad at artists that are popular. You should be happy that at least someone around here is getting paid what their time is worth. You should be happy that it is possible for some of us to be able to do art for more than just a hobby and use their example as a goal.
You just have to keep at it and one day you'll be at the same level and when you get there don't be one of the assholes setting the bad examples that you're listing. Remember for as many popular artists with bad habits there are many artists with good habits.
I could never afford a fur suit so I wouldn't know the dealings of a fur suit so I can't really agree with that but that sounds ridiculous. $3k really?!
I kinda agree with you and I don't agree. I think the artist should charge what they think their artwork is worth. that's what I think they should be doing but popular artist because they think that they're popular they can overcharged for something that is just a sketch. do you see where I'm going with this. that's what kills me the most. An underrated artist for the same price as the popular artist sketch, you will get a fully shaded and fully done picture. why would you spend that amount on a sketch, if you could a fully done piece of work?
I'm not angry a popular artists. I'm just angry at what they do with their popularity and fame and how that gets overlooked by the community when there are other artists who are just as good as them who don't get the recognition views comments whatever that they deserve. that's what I'm getting angry. I don't care if they make money doing what they do. I'm angry how they do it.
For me improving is the only thing I care about. I personally I want views I want comments and critiques but I'm not going to do that by over pricing my work and advertising my work constantly over a multiple months and days of just putting something out there. I'm going to do it the right way get commissioned and go about it the right way I will become one of those artist that has good habits. I believe as a commissioner and as getting commissions myself that I am a very nice and honorable and loyal person that I have good habits and those get overlooked by popular. There are so many good habit artists out there that get overlooked by the bad habits of popular artists because they can get away with it. that's what I think is wrong.
Oh Halo you're so nice is a pretty~yes I agree with you. the more submissions you do the more people look at them because you are constantly put them up your art is being seen by a majority of a higher level. porn yes is popular in a matter where you go or no matter who draws it but I don't think any clean artist should stoop that low to draw porn just to get a comment or some views.
I think we should do the DA chain where you tag someone in a journal and make them tag someone. this goes around DA and I've been tagged so many times and make me really angry when I get tagged and then I tag people who need the recognition because they think that there art is crap when it's not
that's is I think we should do
2) what do you think is fair?
3) AM I WRONG?
No you aren't wrong but... Life just by it's nature isn't fair. Majority of the time, it's a popularity contest. It's not about how good you are, or what you contribute to the world, it's about how big your name is, and how easy it is to remember. "Rainbow" "Cat" etc. I've noticed especially on FA if you have good art and an EASY to remember username, you can make it big. Not to dis their talent, because they are very consistently good artists. Does that mean I personally believe that one of their adopts, made on a base, should pay half their month's rent? No. It's not fair that someone who uses lines they made and abuses the heck out of them should make it big while someone who paints beautifully should fail. I don't personally think a "Conyu" (Rainbow) adopt should be worth the same as a full commission done by Keedot, or for that matter be 10-ish commissions by BattleGuppy. But again life is just not fair.
The art community is just as much about supply and demand as the stock market.
Again another one of my favorite clients and one of my close friends <3
I agree with you 110% I don't think that- FIRST OF ALL adopts are outrageous right now. if a popular artist does a design that is not intricate that is not pretty and sell it for hundred dollars that is ridiculous. I do intricate designs and you guys only pay what five-$10 are you serious it's it makes me extremely angry that popular artist can get away with so much stuff. Supply and demand from popular artists, yes I understand they have to get commissions to pay rent to do a lot of things but that doesn't mean that they can share their popularity with other people. that's what I'm trying to get at. it's a give-and-take situation if you give to someone you not taking anything from them you're giving them an opportunity to get recognition on what they deserve.
The adopt culture is... crazy. o.o I personally don't believe in paying more due to the artist, I only play based off what the artist is asking, and how much I adore the adopt itself. I'm more willing to buy and adopt from you than from Rainbow because at least? I can talk to you instead of only throw money at you. I know a few artists that the only reason they get commissions is because a pop fur is their friend... Their art is good but... Mine's better. =_= I don't say that lightly. I think my art is pretty crappy, but... I can do more than a chibi, with vague details at best. And more over, I'll take your input! More than just pallet. *(still having troubles with my grip btw, so I've been working in 30-60 minute intervals)*
i really do see what you mean. i loving adopts and such but i could never grasp $50 for an adopt. JUST THE ADOPTS. not offering anything. its crazy. i alo see what you mean, if i cant talk to the person then i cant give them money, im sorry. i liking talking to you. its fun and your one of my close friends here on FA so i dont have a problem with it. and I LOVE how pop artists HELP THEIR FRIENDS, but when someone asks them to help them..."NOOPE" its cruel and hurts. ugh.
(awww love dont work so hard. its just me X3. im going to love it either way ;w;)
(thanks dear)
i know right! >.> <.< >.>
lol i love you too!
(<33)
(naps)
=w= yes naps i just woke up from one XD... But the thing is... You can't expect things and life to be fair. I mean, you can, but you have no reason to.
Moreover... Art talent and skill do matter, but much much less than they should. It has been scientifically proven that marketing skill and even pure luck play a major role... I can link you to the article describing the role of luck if you wanna.
So... *smiles* All I can say, good luck :)
(Well, not all, of course. But one of the things /is/ to get noticed at the right time.)
To be honest I really really don't believe in luck but there are people out there who do get lucky and that is something that I think should be shared but because luck is a cruel mistress it will never show its face to people who deserve it. it will show it to people who you know just are snobs and they don't care about other people. Yes art and skill play a major role in this but, what about the people who have the skill who have the talent they're not getting any recognition. I think FA should put a recognition board or a link regarding artists who are not as popular and they could get general the things they deserve.
I would say the same thing for DA but because DA has a bigger fan base it will be harder to you don't get to everybody. FA it could start here where artist can get recognition and get noticed.
I thank you for the good luck though everybody deserves to have a chance and I'm just expressing that to my watchers that not only should they believe in their work but they should get the recognition they deserve
On a side note, I see artists lowering themselves to selling porn because it is the one subject that captures the most people who are interested in spending money.
We can complain and debate fairness of the FA market all we want, but what are solutions for low visibility artists? Zeliv and other high visibility artists promoting others is good. Superior pricing for quality level is good. But what of the subjects to draw; if not porn, then what? Basic poses are rarely interesting. I don't see many people offering reference YCH sales. Would that be a good avenue? What is something everyone wants or needs in their art collection?
Too many people are settling for mundane art but take pride in that it was done by X person thus it has greater value.
(For clarity, I am not an artist; just a person that commissions)
My favorite client lol
I agree with you there are more artist then buyers but then there are some artists were not doing commissions so you have to take that into account of the commissioning rate of other people but yes I think commissioners are far too blind in this world that they are getting so much reduction on art for the price of it and that is what makes me angry about popular artists because they can do that without being ridiculed. I know a whole bunch clean artists who think they should ddraw porn because that is what is needed in this world. no that's not what everything is all about I do clean artwork I do adopts and I do mature artworks and from time to time I do paintings it's all about variety I don't understand why everything has to be a one subject thing it's not like that the world is not like that.
And you're right other artist who have a higher caliber and a higher status, I believe they should help the little guys out and they're not. that's even more upsetting because they have a higher status they have the ability to make these artist known but they don't do it because they are so uptight up about their own popularity they don't want to give it to somebody else.
Now I cannot bash an artist, it is just how it goes, what good will a the ranting prove anyway other than you yourself are childish and as envious immature, person. I have a small following, most are artist who watch thousands of artists at a time, so it goes in the wash, but I have my few loyal one, and a modest following is better than to much, as it keeps you with a level head on your shoulders.
I totally agree with you that's how I feel. I feel like if you're popular artist your attitude should not be like you know, worship me. it should be like "oh thank you for and giving me this admiration of being an artist, but they're artist out there who aren't like that and who deserve that fame instead of them. Popular artist become so outrageous it and Insane, it's not even funny. Ive seen a couple of them get so angry for no reason, then that anger gets overlooked because they're popular that is not fair. if it was an underrated artist that did that they would've got in trouble and it's not fair. I don't think that's fair.
Now that's what I have to disagree with you. I'm not ranting, I'm proving a point and I'm asking for others opinions, if that makes me childish then I'd rather be childish then naïve and stupid on the matter. there a whole bunch of things in this community that I don't think are fair and the admins should know that there artists that deserve recognition and they're not getting it. I rather be childish and be naïve.
Oh my gosh you should get a medal. I do not like when popular artist keep auctioning off things and they keep putting reminders like okay we see it the first time you have to keep putting reminders just see you can get our money.
Another good point some popular artists just stop trying and that makes me angry too because you got popular. now you're just going to stop art because you have all the views and comments that you wanted. their artist out there striving to, you know, be good and they look up to you and that's what you're going to give them as a response you just going to stop
I heard about artist I just ask for money and people throw money at them it's so disgusting and obnoxious and it makes me so angry.
thank you for commenting.
I think one of my pet peeves about some artists is them comparing themselves to big names as an excuse for poor behaviour. It's like... yeah that's that artist not you. Just because that popular artist who charges what they should for their work doesn't mean you should do the same and be a total douche bag about it when you are chased up for not delivering what I ordered.
After being around here for a while though I have created a white list on my profile page of artists who I have had the pleasure of working with and whom I believe should be commissioned. When it comes to my list it is based on attitude, time frame, price and end/wip piece. :3
I will end this ramble by saying that I think your work is very nice and that once I can get my account to stop complaining that I may commission you some time. x
I so get what you're saying about you know? like getting different artists in your gallery because you want to commission different things and not have the same type of art in your gallery. I commission different people all the time and I love having a variety of different work. when I commission it shows different qualities of a different artist and that's what I love about commissioning other people.
Again another good point. I really hate when people try to compare themselves to other artist but you know I look up to them I don't compare myself to them but I idolize them because of the way they do things and I want to be like that but when you go and overcharged for work that is not, you know, worth it that's when I think it's time that you should draw the line.
I think what a popular artist should have is a good attitude not overcharged prices and you know a good status in the community and I know a lot of artists who are just like that but are so underrated it's not even funny and you know I think I should do that to where I should put up a profile list of just artist that I think would be good for commissioning I like that idea.
Oh and thank you so much for the comment, you would commission me I really appreciate that thank you so much <3
For example this piece here:
http://gelbooru.com/index.php?page=post&s=view&id=1691258 (site not work safe)
I find this not just cute but beautiful. I love not just the master/pet scenario but also the expressions they have and the surroundings. For me this looks like it has a wonderful relationship there even if the foundation is somewhat perverse and unusual. I also love how well the artist has used special yet simple effects to bring the dream/fantasy feeling this picture gives off.
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And one from an artist on here:
http://www.furaffinity.net/view/12796661/ (Not work safe)
This guy is one of the few underrated artists I usually grab YCH from. I find his pieces very creative and his shading technique very different compared to a lot of other artists on the site. I have seen artists use the same poses with barely any backgrounds. Now while his poses are simple at times... the background always matches the mood of the picture. Something I have noticed a lot of pieces lack around here. Now while he is Russian it doesn't stop the funny titles he gives his work some times.
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While I get that some artists aspire to be like other popular/their favourite artists comparing your work to them is just wrong. The attitude of "If you want that service then go to x artist who charges x amount more than me! I am reasonable!" really rubs me the wrong way and just shows they are looking at it all wrong. ¬_¬
Thanks to finding the right artists I have slowly learned when the price is too much for what they are offering. Like one artist who is reasonably price has very bad ToS that stopped me commissioning them. Part if t says that you aren't allowed to repost the work and that your character basically becomes their IP. Once I read that I just noped. Even though their work was really nice there is no way I would let anyone own MY characters. I think you should create a list because it will help people out. X3
No problem at all. <3
ooh my i love that picture. 0w0 i want it
and tai is freaking funny as hell i love his work <3 it amazing and awesome. his shading though X3 its different that why i like it lol
I truly get what you're saying don't try to make a business out of something you know, like just try to be you while admiring your favorite artist that's what I do and finding the right artist is very hard but you always find that one artist you always go to that is reasonable and is nice and stuff I will make a list I'll do that later.
eee <33
I am glad we agree and I am sorry to see some others don't. D:
its ok.everyone has there views. im not judging.
I want to give you a medal for just being so honest. yes you you get a medal *toss medal*
I love reading writers work. I don't care who it is a popular artist if it's just somebody writing a story for a commission. I love reading them it doesn't matter if it's porn or if it's normal it's just amazing how you can write something and it make a picture out of it it is just beautiful. writers I feel so sorry for them because they do not get work or any type of recognition or views or comments. it makes me sad.
im going to read your story and comment =w=
You are very welcome love. I'm going to read it and I will give you a comment on it and I will tell you what it is that you need to improve on because I understand what it is to want critiques and no one give them to you so I will help you with that. I never been on so furry so I wouldn't know how it is on there but I bet it's better than FA
Okay first of all you need to get your facts straight. I never pointed out to anyone I just said that popular artists get things that they don't deserve especially when they treat their commissioners like crap that's what I meant. I hate the fact that they get overlooked just because they're popular. I never said recognition is earned, that being noticed is not earned I never said anything like that. I said that some artists out there deserve to have a little bit of recognition and a little bit of you know being notice.
Second of all I'm going to be 20 this summer so before you say that anyone is a younger age than you are you have to ask before you actually make a comment like that.
I do not like the fact that popular artist get to get away with so much stuff just because they have the status. you cannot charge your customers with overpriced pieces of work when it's not the quality that it should be when there are artists out there who do the same amount of work and put the same amount of effort into something that is two times better then that of the popular artist. I don't like popular artists. I don't care about my popularity I never said I did. Some of the popular artist didn't even get popular by their work. they got popular because they had connections with friends and even have to do any work themselves and earn their popularity. they earned the respect they got because their friends with someone who does the work for them.
For the record like you wanted to bash me. I knew every single student in my class. I knew who the smart students and I was at the top of my class. I got A's straight. I am one of the smartest people in my class and if you're going to bash me for having an opinion then that means that you're more wrong than i am. you cant just come in to someone's journal without having any sort of knowledge about them and then think it's right to leave a comment saying all that you did. I should report you for harassing me and making fun of me because you don't know met you can just do that that is wrong. We are all entitled to our opinions and are expressions of our opinions. if I want to rant about something I have the damn right to rant but you don't have the right to go around and bash people without knowing them for no reason at all so if I'm wrong for being in the wrong profession then you're wrong for just being really fucking rude.
Another thing you can add into your little books of wonders. I do this profession because it's a hobby of mine and I like making people happy with my artwork. now this is why I'm not as popular as an artist because I don't shove my Art into peoples faces I don't go about advertising myself or making people advertise me if they want to advertise me they can that is a good habit artist.
Have you listen to yourself the comment that you made about me. how are you anymore right than IM for expressing your beliefs around me and about me when you don't even know me. you can't do that that. is not right. as an artist I am entitled to my opinions to my views and as a person I find that you are quite rude and disrespectful. As a watcher here on FA that's all you should be. is just a watch. you shouldn't put in your own input on something that you don't know or have the matter in speaking. you made this account two years ago and now you're just commenting on someone's journals. are you out of your mind? you are very disrespectful and rude I would like you to please leave my journal and leave my profile alone.
And if you hate her, why are you sticking around, or actually, why did you even comment? Just to show her that you hate her? Seems as stupid as anti-bronies clicking on a pony video and giving a long hate comment.
Even though i'm not a good artist
aww you have a cute style~
just keep practicing and one day you'll get there <33 i believe you
thank you for the comment