*hugs and nuzzles* Its okay Snow. All I ask is you do your very best now.

-hugs- I know the feels, man. I made some joke comments on some peoples' journals, and they block me. Some people are just so touchy.

Glad to see I am not alone. I have been used in the past for my kindness and soft heart. I was also verbally abused by my ex fiancee years ago and since then I have been working on my self esteem issues. Still is a constant struggle for me. :/ I also always played the good child growing up with my family. Never tried to get in trouble or anything

What's wrong with people?

Eh it's all good. I don't talk about it much anymore since people would probably think I am just trying to create drama. I only share it if I find it is affecting me again or if people inquire about my past. Which it has been affecting me again recently so...

I hear ya.

And yeah all I did one time was post how upset I was that I hurt someone for upsetting them and some of my now ex friends got upset at me more and just yelled at me about upsetting them. When my post already said I felt bad. They later removed me. So I can relate.

-hugs- I hate people.

Well they had a legit reason to get upset. I edited an artwork that was commissioned for me without asking the artist. I upset the artist which I never meant to upset her. I just wanted to make the artwork look cuter. But then the artist said she was upset. I posted a status on my FB about it and that I felt horrid now for it. Then people just came at me about how horrid I was for not asking her permission to begin with when I simply just never thought about it. Egh. It is what it is.

Mhm.

I honestly dont mind you ranting. I do the same thing myself. The thing about the internet is people are going to start drama whether its about reasonable things or not. I had somebody once insult me in real life at a local furry convention because they said they dont like hybrid characters. And then I saw someone on here insulted this photograph just because the girl who posted it had her station wagon in it, and the guy didnt like station wagons. Stupid stuff like that. I actually was going to start a car reliability project too, but in the journal I posted I questioned whether or not Japanese cars were really as reliable as people say. And the Japanese car fans didnt like that. I got so many nasty comments I just took it down. I understand how you feel. I really do. I don't like people getting mad at me. It makes me very anxious, so bad so that I have deleted several journals because of it. I removed one about being depressed because somebody told me to "shut up and take my medicine."

Anyway, sorry I went on a rant there a bit myself. But my point is there's always going to be jerks out there. You shouldn't let them determine what you want to post. I like helping out with other peoples problems when I can. So I prefer for people to write out their feelings. But do what you feel is right. I know I've sort of scaled back what I post to subjects I can handle. And hey, if someone doesnt like point out that they didnt have to read it in the first place.

thats something normal a person has to do . everyone rants on things and i dont see a problem with it. *HUGS*

*hugs and nuzzles*
I know how you feel I tend to do the same and I have people disown me or even block me I know
it is hard to deal with but hang in there and good thing will come to you and you are a
good person

Just be you.

It's always better to do true venting to someone who really knows you, a close friend. They tend to understand and not take things wrong because they know you well.

True. I may just start venting to people I know on a more personal level.

I am glad you took the time to rant! you GOTTA get it out, so it doesn't eat you up...
You are welcome to anytime, it is far as I am concerned

Maybe create a private livejournal were you can rant on.

Yeah that is exactly what I am thinking of doing. I have a livejournal account already so I may just start venting on there. I will post a link to it on my Facebook. Not on here though. :3

It wasn't "ranting" or even "venting". It was the blatant disregard of respect you seem to have for others.
Like constantly using the phrase retarded in a derogatory manner for one example.
It wasn't supposed to be a ranting journal. Even you called it a "discussion" and opened it for debate!
You said some very immature things, and when you were approached with issues regarding your own behavior, you panicked and deleted it.

This journal is even more frustrating than the last,
Because you're simply pushing the issue off as a: "Oh I was ranting with an unpopular opinion".
You weren't. You were elaborating about how popularity was so very unimportant to you,
opened the journal for discussion, and when confronted on your own behavior,
you ignored the issues at hand and took no responsibility for your actions.
Embarrassing for some and very disrespectful to me.

Absolutely no one was disagreeing with you over your "rants or opinions".
It was your behavior alone that people are so critical of.

I do care what others think of me.... :I I have a very low self esteem and confidence issues. It was a rant that yes, I opened for discussion. I did not mean for things I said (like using the word "retarded") to come across as it did. Maybe I should have just used a different word for it?? I was trying to use it for my way of expressing my dislike of the idea of people trying to get popular. And when people took it the wrong way, I deleted it, because people's opinions of me DO MATTER to me... :I I hate upsetting people, giving them wrong impressions of me. I am very sentimental to what others think of me and I like to please everyone...

I am being open and honest here, but you seem to think I disrespect other's feelings? When that is far from the truth.... :I And the complete opposite of how I really am. Everyone that knows me well (my family, close friends, mate/boyfriend, etc) knows this about me....

Yes Snow, you should have used a different word. You should really never say it that manner ever again.
That is very derogatory and makes you appear immature.
This brings up my issue of "just being yourself" or whatever you choose to classify it as.
If being yourself involves using derogatory terms when debating someone, doesn't that raise a red flag?
You KNOW that saying those kinds of things is not okay. It isn't acceptable to just blame this on your right to say whatever you want.

A tip for discussion journals: If you really actually want a discussion and NOT just affirmation of your own opinions,
do not give your opinion on the topic. How can you expect any real discussion when we already know exactly how you feel?
Wouldn't it have been a better idea to ask: How is popularity important to you? How do people get popular?
Instead of your alternative (and I quote):
"Do furries really have nothing else better to do than worry about being popular in a very tight knit fandom? :I".

You're right in that I don't know you as closely as your family or immediate friends.
But sometimes it takes an unbiased observer to try and help you see things more clearly.

Do not give my opinion on the topic? It was a RANT journal that I opened up for discussion. And I should be entitled, as everyone else, to rant and speak my mind freely with how I feel about something. It was not a discussion journal, it was primarily a rant that I opened up for discussion. I have been very frustrated with how people have been trying to get popular and walking all over others just to get there. To me that is absolutely disgusting. My journal was a rant for my distaste of it. Next time I won't even open it up for discussion then, since now you are telling me I should not even give my opinion, on a rant journal? That makes absolutely no sense at all. I just stated it was a rant journal that I opened up for discussion yet you are telling me that I should not give my opinion on a rant journal. Where is the logic in that? :I

If it was a discussion journal (and not a rant) then yes I would have just opened it up with a question. I ranted my opinion then left it open for people to rant with their opinions back if they wished.

And an unbiased observer to help me see more clearly? No... because you keep derogatorily putting me down for something, and then saying I am not fessing up to my mistakes when I am doing just that in this journal.

Yes I used the word retarded, and maybe I gave the wrong impression of what I actually meant with it. But there is no reason to go and attack me on here for it. You could just express your distaste of my choice of word in a much calmer manner. You try to say I am not being an adult and acting immature but shouldn't you be doing the same thing then? :I

Then I must have totally misunderstood the entire purpose of the original journal.
You didn't ever say it was just a rant, and I was given the impression that you wanted discussion on the idea of popularity's importance.
I do understand more clearly now what your intentions were.
I don't know, Snow. When you make a journal like that.. what did you honestly expect people to say?
I wasn't the only one who was disapproving.

"because you keep derogatorily putting me down for something"
When have I EVER used a derogatory term towards you?

Calling me sheepish? Calling me immature? That is very derogatory. So yeah you used a lot of derogatory words against me.

Seriously... you need to look at yourself before you go and accuse someone of something. You said me using the word retarded was immature, but then you go and say derogatory things towards me. Right now you are being your own hypocrite.

And yes it was a rant journal. It was not a discussion journal. It was a rant journal that I opened up for debate/discussion. Next time I will just be more clear on that.

I have NEVER once outright called you any names. Please read more carefully.

I call your behavior immature, I say your actions are sheepish, but I would never attack you directly.
I am not one to throw around useless insults or curse words. I try to be as straightforward as I can.
I don't think YOU are immature. I don't think YOU are sheepish.
I think some of your actions are.

Honestly, you need to look at yourself before you jump on this journal and try to tell snow exactly how she is or anything of that sort. If you think writing this makes you a better person or "right" than your wrong... We all have done stupid shit so grow the fuck up and clean your own closet and honestly don't "act" like you know snow for who she is or even what she stands for.

If you have such a problem with her post don't comment and leave it alone or hey how about this BLOCK HER and UNWATCH HER. I mean clearly it is as easy as that. I believe everyone has a right to rant and say whatever words they wish!! EVERYONE doesn't have to be proper or use the proper language to explain themselves.

So honestly before you try to say anything from now on think about shit you did... END IT THEIR.
Cause it's hypocritical to say some of the things you said when you sit here cause more drama by writing back in public.... IF you have a problem note her... Don't like what she has to say piss off.

END OF STORY.

Cheers.

"I believe everyone has a right to rant and say whatever words they wish"

And then..

"So honestly before you try to say anything from now on think about shit you did... END IT THEIR."

Now that sure is confusing. So everyone else has the right to say whatever they like and not me?
I'm not trying to be mean to Snow, I think she is a wonderful person who does make mistakes.
She has never been rude or mean to me..
I'm only expressing my frustration and disrespect I felt from her alone and not anyone else.

I don't think it's okay to "write whatever you want" because some things ARE offensive and mean to others.
You can't just go around parading that you're only "being yourself" when you are bringing frustration and drama to the table.
You're right: Many things should indeed be left unsaid.

HOWEVER.
There are also times when good people make mistakes,
and need friends who are there to point them out.

Cheers.

"I'm not trying to be mean to Snow, I think she is a wonderful person who does make mistakes.
She has never been rude or mean to me.." if this was truly believed than you would of clearly noted her and not sit there and tried to run her through the mill in on her shouts like you knew why she deleted the journal. THAT MAKES COMPLETE SENSE!!!

"So honestly before you try to say anything from now on think about shit you did... END IT THEIR." and to quote me on this is exactly what you need to practice... So it's not confusing it is simple. Lets make an example: "Hmm on hey look at this journal and she says retard well I am going to belittle her for that." compared to "Hmm she said these choices of words I do not agree with how is their a way I can approach her without make one feel as if I am attacks" (thinks) "Well someone certainly did this to me before or I have said bad thing before so I will try and be respectful to said person because I have been in the same boat."
Exactly what I meant better ways to approach a situation than go all out belittle.

"I believe everyone has a right to rant and say whatever words they wish" - This stands for if someone wants to say "retarded" than another word they should have a right!! SO certainly your trying to twist what I said like its means I am being hypocritical instead of trying to think of what I really meant...

Everyone does have a right to rant but again people can take better approaches to reply to these rants.

"There are also times when good people make mistakes,
and need friends who are there to point them out." - You could point them out in a better way than doing this. "You were in the wrong in many regards and then sheepishly deleted your journal in embarrassment. When you make mistakes, you need to own up to them, and not disregard it when people correct you. I am insulted." How in the great bloody hell do you know if she is embarrassed?? On top of that what in the world makes you think she deleted it because of that reason? she is not owning up to her mistakes??? I see her posting sorry and admitting to things in public to everyone and your sit there on a high horse and say this to her?? Excuse me but a true "friend" Would let them know what they did wrong but not try to hurt them for what they did. Even if it wasn't intended to hurt them there is a better way to approach a person than simply jumping on them. Now if you want to say that towards me and reflect what I am saying towards me I am not your friend NOR do I give a shit to be. Since snow is technically your friend I will defend her and call you out on your wrongs.

I disagree with you last I remember this is a free country and saying what you want is actually one of our freedoms and rights! Are you insinuating that Snow does not have that right?? that she is not entitled to express herself in anyway, shape or form? Be herself?

"Yes Snow, you should have used a different word. You should really never say it that manner ever again.
That is very derogatory and makes you appear immature."

Immature - Man I didn't know a word can make you immature. That is funny because most of the furry fandom is immature! We bloody run around in suits, we get excited and roll on the floor and jump in each others lap and a very large number of shit! Half the time a furry is more child at heart than being a grown up.

"If being yourself involves using derogatory terms when debating someone, doesn't that raise a red flag?" Or it means this is how you explain stuff this is who you are and if someone dislikes it they can piss off.

Not everyone has to act their age and be what you imagine everyone should be. ^^

In the end if you don't like whatever she writes just LEAVE.
Again CHEERS

Snow opened up a journal welcoming discussion and debate. I obliged.
Snow wrote on my wall explaining her reasoning for the journal deletion. I responded.
If you make public journals, you will get public responses.

I understand that you're simply standing up for Snow, but this really doesn't concern you.

This does concern me??? I will not stand by and let someone take jabs at her. Again if you can't handle the fact she has rants publicly than LEAVE. Cause overall this never concerned you!! So that is being a bit hypocritical saying this doesn't concern me when her first journal never concerned you?? This one doesn't either. XD

I'm sorry, but while I understand that Snow is your girlfriend, you need to let her fight her own battles. She's a grown woman and she can take care of things herself. In commenting like this (in quite a rude and vulgar way, might I add...) you're simply crippling her ability to solve conflict and grow.

Furthermore, when someone decides to post something in a public forum that anyone can view, they can and will be judged and are open for criticism. If you or Snow can't handle such things, it's probably best that a private vent account (Twitter, LJ, etc.) is made. I personally have a vent account on Twitter and it actually helps a great deal with personal issues that I don't want to drag out into public. I think it may be very helpful, if not therapeutic even if Snow (and perhaps yourself...) made one.

I honestly think you owe Renashe an apology for what you've said here. You berated her and insulted her when she was merely trying to sort out an issue with Snow. Your behavior here reflects not only the nastiness of your behavior, but also (to be honest) reflects negatively on Snow. I know I personally would not want to talk to or be around someone with a significant other that acts the way you have here. It's disappointing to see an adult behave this way..

Honestly, wanna know something I just don't give a single fuck. ^^
Last time I remembered it a couple is going to fight as one not apart.
Again Snow can vent anywhere she wishes.
Plus, if no one likes what she has to say they can piss off for all I give a shit.
Apparently to you she is not a grown women?? This is a forum might I correct you!! This is her journal not some random forum for one and two if she decides to rant publicly she can and criticisms is nice yet but when people go out of their way to jump on her I will not take it. Meaning YOU, Your friend or the entire furry fandom.
Do you seriously think she gives two shits who is around her if I am around her??? NO because half the time people around her are fake as fuck. Oh, btw just letting you know something personally we dont give a shit if your around us?? I certainly don't need your approval.
Nor are you my mother. ^^
What is really disappointing is to see someone act like everyone who defend or disapproves of someones else shit or talks a certain way is a child sorry corgii get your shit str8.
Honestly, I don't really give a damn what you think or merely anyone else does about that! I know who I am and I love it. Can't handle it gtfo. ^^
Can't accept the way me and snow are piss off. ^^
Cheers

*not a forum

Wow... I'm really embarrassed someone that is 21 would act this way. I'm sorry for you.

Absolutely disgraceful.

Good job you guys done ^^

Honestly, he owes Renashe nothing, and certainly NOT an apology. She posted on here blatantly getting upset at me and accusing me of things for nothing, when this journal was a public apology. Also, as far as I recall her and I already smoothed things over in notes/private messages so this topic should have ended after that.

Also, he did not berate her. He merely called her out on her own hypocrisy. Berating would be something more derogatory such as calling her names or trying to put her down in a way so as to make her feel like complete crap for no other reason other than personal satisfaction. He was merely stating facts and calling her out for her behaviors.

Also, I do not give two craps if you do not hang out with me. If you do not want to be around me simply because you do not like my significant other, than screw you. I do not need you as a friend then. Do you honestly think I would chose you over somebody that I love with all my heart, have known for years and who sacrificed everything to be here with me (he moved here from KY to move in with me and sold a lot of his valuables just to do so). Yeah I do not think so, so fuck off.

And he reflects negatively on me? LOL. I do not give two craps if you approve of me or my significant other. If you do not approve of him then you are no friend of mine. This is where you drew the line, "missy." You mess with him then you also mess with me. And yes, as he stated, when it is a couple, if you mess with one, then you mess with the other. So screw you because I do not care if you no longer wish to hang around me simply because "you do not like the fact that my mate chose to come here to stand up for me." He is his own person and can do as he pleases, I do not control him like a dog.

Also as he stated, as far as I recall this is a journal, not a public forum. FA DOES have forums but a forum is something totally separate from a journal. After all, even FA calls this a "journal" so I should be able to speak on my own personal journal, on my own personal FA page, as I see fit. I took it down because it was upsetting people but then they should not even come to my page if it upsets them that much.

People just love to create drama when there was none to begin with. People tend to come to journals and over dramatize things when the journal was just meant as a rant. People were free to state their views yes, but it was just that, primarily a rant.

And again, this should have been over and done. Renashe and I PM'd one another in which we worked things out and worked it out so there really was no need for this.

This also goes for all her friends and watchers... IF you don't like her post leave... because she will not change just cause you want to bitch or moan about something... GET the fuck over it.