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#1 - CODE OF CONDUCT
The Code of Conduct has been completely re-written and updated. These changes are effective as of right now.
http://help.furaffinity.net/article.....nduct-COC.html
#2 - SUBMISSION AGREEMENT
With our recent Terms of Service update, the Submission Agreement is no longer applicable as the Submission Agreement and Terms of Service were merged together. We will be removing links to the Submission Agreement later in the day.
#3 - ACCEPTABLE UPLOAD POLICY
We have made the following changes/clarifications to the AUP based on user feedback.
2.5 -Images Content used as part of an upload that is royalty-free or under Fair Use (such as a royalty-free background image copyrighted material used for a limited and “transformative” purpose) must cite the source of the original content.
3.6 - Photography containing bodily fluids, gore/injuries, or death is prohibited, unless the content is fake, special effects, or the final product of taxidermy when the pelt iskept preserved in good condition and the presentation is in good taste. This includes freeze dry and wet taxidermy as well as bones and finished pelts, but excludes anything raw or gory.
3.9 - Photography of animalsfeeding eating on other animals, living or pre-frozen, is prohibited. This does not include Kibbles 'n Bits® or foodstuff like chicken breasts and steak.
4.1 - Screenshots of applications, games (e.g. GMod, Second Life, Minecraft), movies or websites that do not showcase new, original, user-created content are prohibited. The use of in-game resources, such as blocks or purchased parts, to create the aforementioned content is permitted.
6.2 - Some content may only be uploaded to the Scraps Folder. Please see sections:2.2 2.4 and 3.2 above for more information.
8.3 - Violations of the following sections may be escalated immediately to the 7th Offense Level: 2.3, 2.11, 2.12, 2.13, 3.3, 3.4, 3.5, 3.6, 3.7. These sections have been highlighted for your convenience.
#4 - TERMS OF SERVICE
We have made the following changes/clarifications to the TOS based on user feedback.
1.5 - You may appeal any action taken against your account either via our Trouble Ticket system or emailsupport@furaffinity.net appeals@furaffinity.net.
3.7 - You agree that we reserve the right to remove, reclaim, or rename any account which has violated site policy or has been abandoned by its owner. An abandoned account is one which has not been logged into for a minimum of one year, is un-established or is otherwise devoid of content. At this time, they become eligible to be transferred upon user request. All content and information contained within the account will be deleted before the transfer is complete. Accounts marked as “deceased” do not qualify as abandoned.
#5 - OTHER
We are constantly listening to user feedback, and are working to further be more transparent in our actions and better highlight plans and changes.
#6 - BROWSE BY RATING
Due to the recent changes to categories, we stated we were implementing a "Browse by Rating" system to further allow users to have more control over the content they are searching for. This feature is now active, and offers users more flexability than our previous system.
The system is coded is that mature/adult ratings in browse are only available to those who have the ability enabled. Users on sfw.furaffinity.net or with the SFW option flagged will not see these options per the system rating.
#7 - TEMPLATE FIX
We fixed a little, but highly annoying bug which would cause the template to revert to the older blue template when updating system settings. This was annoying, and is now fixed.
NOTICE: There are some formatting issues currently being resolved (spacing, font size, highlighting). Furthermore, the following rule will be updated shortly:
AUP
3.5 - Photography depicting nudity, (exposed buttocks, breasts, bulges, and outlines of genitalia - human or animal, etc.) or indecently-clothed models (undergarments, diapers, lingerie) is prohibited. Exceptions may be made for swimsuits worn in public locations, such as a pool or beach, and undergarments on top of clothed models.
The Code of Conduct has been completely re-written and updated. These changes are effective as of right now.
http://help.furaffinity.net/article.....nduct-COC.html
#2 - SUBMISSION AGREEMENT
With our recent Terms of Service update, the Submission Agreement is no longer applicable as the Submission Agreement and Terms of Service were merged together. We will be removing links to the Submission Agreement later in the day.
#3 - ACCEPTABLE UPLOAD POLICY
We have made the following changes/clarifications to the AUP based on user feedback.
2.5 -
3.6 - Photography containing bodily fluids, gore/injuries, or death is prohibited, unless the content is fake, special effects, or the final product of taxidermy when the pelt is
3.9 - Photography of animals
4.1 - Screenshots of applications, games (e.g. GMod, Second Life, Minecraft), movies or websites that do not showcase new, original, user-created content are prohibited. The use of in-game resources, such as blocks or purchased parts, to create the aforementioned content is permitted.
6.2 - Some content may only be uploaded to the Scraps Folder. Please see sections:
8.3 - Violations of the following sections may be escalated immediately to the 7th Offense Level: 2.3, 2.11, 2.12, 2.13, 3.3, 3.4, 3.5, 3.6, 3.7. These sections have been highlighted for your convenience.
#4 - TERMS OF SERVICE
We have made the following changes/clarifications to the TOS based on user feedback.
1.5 - You may appeal any action taken against your account either via our Trouble Ticket system or email
3.7 - You agree that we reserve the right to remove, reclaim, or rename any account which has violated site policy or has been abandoned by its owner. An abandoned account is one which has not been logged into for a minimum of one year, is un-established or is otherwise devoid of content. At this time, they become eligible to be transferred upon user request. All content and information contained within the account will be deleted before the transfer is complete. Accounts marked as “deceased” do not qualify as abandoned.
#5 - OTHER
We are constantly listening to user feedback, and are working to further be more transparent in our actions and better highlight plans and changes.
#6 - BROWSE BY RATING
Due to the recent changes to categories, we stated we were implementing a "Browse by Rating" system to further allow users to have more control over the content they are searching for. This feature is now active, and offers users more flexability than our previous system.
The system is coded is that mature/adult ratings in browse are only available to those who have the ability enabled. Users on sfw.furaffinity.net or with the SFW option flagged will not see these options per the system rating.
#7 - TEMPLATE FIX
We fixed a little, but highly annoying bug which would cause the template to revert to the older blue template when updating system settings. This was annoying, and is now fixed.
NOTICE: There are some formatting issues currently being resolved (spacing, font size, highlighting). Furthermore, the following rule will be updated shortly:
AUP
3.5 - Photography depicting nudity
Also, will it be possible to get a 'Mark Note as Unread' option sometime in the future? :)
(I'd rather it was moved into site settings though...)
As it stands, a note shows up unread both in your outbox and their inbox (i.e. you can see whether or not someone's read your note or not). Marking a note as unread after it's already been read might create issues.
Again, depends how they've coded it! Could be as simple as a single if-statement with a toggle.
Green, blue and red highlights (not the bold blue font your browser uses either normally!) :)
Can look at any note and there should be check box and near trash/delete should be mark priority high/medium/low (red/blue/green respectively)
anyway, glad to see the rating selector in browse, it was sorely needed
Besides, if you give an exception, then people will abuse that exception to "get around the rules." The whole point of rules to to provide a guideline to civilized behavior and to be fair to as many people as possible. Those who thrive on exceptions are not being very civilized nor are being fair to others.
Seems the exception is for admins to use, not the subscribers of this website. For example, people returning from a major convention. They would have a lot of photos and artwork to upload. FA Admin can make an exception to this rule for those needing to "catch up" in the week or two after the convention. It is their (Admin's) call, not the subscriber to allow a deviation from the rule.
We shouldn't have to be putting up with this in 2014
This isn't a photobucket site- you don't just upload images here for the sake of it.
If it's art or works of actual merit, you should be able to have the patience to take one minute out of your day for each submission.
However, a no-flooding policy means that you will have to take 10 minutes out of your day for however many days it takes you to upload your backlog. I don't really know how much of an issue this is from an artist's perspective, other than being unable to get it out of the way and focus on your next batch due to the limit. But from a viewer's perspective, it makes sequences, comics and series harder and slower to follow because instead of taking out some time to view it from start to finish, you are limited to 10 pictures. Then the next day you'll look at number 11 but it may reference a sentence mentioned in 10 which you don't remember because you have to go back to 10, read it again, then back to 11.
It's a minor qualm, but really, why add more? If the flooding is of content you don't like...well there's always the option of not watching artists who post things you dislike, and you can more easily skip through it while browsing if it's all in one large bunch rather than if it's all over the place in patches of 10 pictures. If the flooding is of content you do like, then it would be a bit odd to complain that there is too much, and in any case you can view the content at whatever pace suits you best.
Within the browse parameters entered, it's assumed that you have narrowed it down to content you are likely to enjoy. I don't see why it's an issue that you have to go through content you may like in order to find content you may like. If there are 30 new submissions instead of 20, you will probably not mind looking through those extra 10 because they've been submitted to the section that you've already showed an interest in, so it's likely you will like those too.
For example, if you browse and select Category: Artwork (digital), Type: General furry art, Species: canid - dog, Gender: male, Rating: general, mature and adult, then you will see all the pictures that fall into exactly those categories. Maybe one user uploaded 15 pictures in the last 15-20 minutes, another only uploaded 2. Okay, so you have to go through 17 new pictures instead of 12. But is that extra 7 really so problematic? People who browse using those parameters are clearly showing interest in general furry digital artwork showing male dogs in all ratings, so why wouldn't they take the time to look at the thumbnail for the other 7 pictures? Someone who made that search wanted to find that content and is going to look for anything new, they aren't going to get tired of looking at content they enjoy just because there's more content they enjoy "in the way".
Secondly, you presume that most people of this site are going to be capable of using such features.
When you have artists complaining about having to take a minute out of their day per upload to submit art, what makes you think those who are seeking art are going to actively utilize these features?
Don't get me wrong; they're good features. But using this as a counterpoint to a flood prevention method seems silly.
I presume most people of this site have basic English and basic logic skills, yes. Click on the dropdown menu (which is pretty common throughout the internet and does not require specialized knowledge). Click the type of content you enjoy. If you don't understand a word, Google is your friend. Even if you don't understand English at all (not even the most basic level which is taught in schools across many countries), online translators can do a half-decent job as long as you're only asking for the translation of a word or two.
If people who are seeking art choose not to use the features that make it easy and effective to search for the content they will enjoy, that's their loss. If people would rather go through the extremely inefficient method of looking through the large volume of submissions that are uploaded every minute, one by one, manually, instead of checking a couple of simple and straightforward options to find more of what they like and less of what they don't like, then that's fair enough for them. But their choice to be inefficient should not be reason enough to prevent people from uploading their backlog however they see fit. If you don't want to see a flood of fursuit pictures, don't search under fursuit.
Not only are they good features, they are the only features that work effectively. Look, if you go into a large enough library and you want to find a book, what do you do? You look for a section that you are interested in (for example, fiction - young adult) and start browsing. Perhaps if you're interested in a particular author you can specifically search for him (for example, John Green). Of course, you are free to carry out a methodical search by looking through every single book in every single bookshelf starting at the top and going to the bottom, but chances are you will find all sorts of books you aren't interested in, and you're just making it harder for yourself to find the books you do want. And asking the library to stop adding so many books would make no sense: you'd find what you're looking for so much more quickly if you narrowed your search by going to the section or sections you're interested in.
flood prevention is to control a variety of issues than can come from flooding a site such as this with so many users. it's not meant to be the end all solution to problems and arguing that the front page is a bad way to find new art is stupid. because it's not a bad way at all. and in the end every art site needs to have some level of flood prevention/control so that everyone on the site can enjoy using it. flooding can be pretty damn annoying just like spamming is and you know i am right on that point.
Also it doesn't hurt for FA to finally have good servers. Why is is that this site is the only site to my knowledge that has this problem?
So as others said..the flood point is really moot. What they should be focusing on as others have said is improvising that search engine.
also i think you meant improving and not improvising. those are two very different words.
The FA search engine is relatively straightforward, even taking all of its filters into account, but sometimes an individual may want to see something more refreshing and new, without being quite certain what it is they'd like to look for. When somebody isn't sure what it is appeals to them, it's hard to fill in the necessary fields to find something they enjoy. That's where the general 'browse' and 'recent' pages come in, and why it's good to have restrictions that prevent flooding. Perhaps it would be different if FA had a blacklist function, but alas, one doesn't exist and probably won't at any point in the near future, and as it stands they're doing a damn fine job at preventing pesky spam and flood that could cause them to lose a significant portion of their userbase.
However, a good tagging system with blacklists would alleviate the issue considerably by keeping off your customized front page (and any other pages you see) anything that contains certain tags you definitely do not wish to see. Your front page would still have a large volume of content, but you'd be guaranteed not to see anything you dislike (assuming responsible tagging) so the concentration of stuff you do like is higher, and could make it worth keeping an eye on the front page.
As it is right now, the only way not to miss anything from the front page is to refresh every 10-20 minutes so flooding is simply pales in comparison to the non-flood upload rate of the combined userbase.
I hope the feedback from others can go well as planned, also the whole flood of submissions problem too.
I know how their is limited server but I understand.
I hope you Fender do your best and take your time on the issues those.
Step by step is what counts.
Good luck^-^
I don't have any knowledge about how much coding such a system would take, or how it would play within the existing framework, but I do hope they'll consider it in a future update.
Also people who get upset at seeing TOO MUCH ART on an art gallery website are baffling.
Also, I'm already on WZL and do most of my uploading there ;D
why am i not surprised
Not sure how other sites handle the issue at hand, but they have never ressorted to this and they are all doing just fine without it. This is the point of the matter and it is one straw on the cammels back that may not be what breaks it, but it certainly adds to it.
That's the problem with today's world, everyone is so NOW NoW NOW.
i can see where it actually causes a problem for normal people as well because i myself draw and i like spending most of my time doing so. if i am in a sketching mood this means i am putting out 10-12 on my very best days. The backlog would take 2 minutes per picture to upload because of the time constraints and i would spend 20minutes to an hour just uploading on this site alone when on other sites it will take half to a quarter of that time.
as an artist one does not upload on just this site and when you upload on one site you can not upload on another because you run into the "this file is being used by another program" and you use much much more time than needed. furaffinity is not all there is in life and the issue it brings forth wastes a considerable amount of time for an artist who is trying to make that living of being an artist.
the fix was made without taking consideration to the users and more because the site staff rather bandage the issue that other sites have somehow already fixed without going this far. site administration isnt in the absolute dark on how to run a website because there are a few website conventions around the world where site devs come together and discuss methods and tactics for dealing with such problems to help eachother come up with a better internet,.. FurAffinity has always stood out more as a loner to me in this regard because it has stayed the same like an angry child that doesnt want to share his toy.
Making use of what limited time we have to live is the undeniable root of all conflict and suffering. I'll go alert the media.
Hilarious how you are trying to harass people on a journal concerning that very thing!
>I am not, despite your claims.
claim
klām/
verb
verb: claim; 3rd person present: claims; past tense: claimed; past participle: claimed; gerund or present participle: claiming
1.
state or assert that something is the case, typically without providing evidence or proof.
"he claimed that he came from a wealthy, educated family"
synonyms: assert, declare, profess, maintain, state, hold, affirm, avow;
noun
noun: claim; plural noun: claims
1.
an assertion of the truth of something, typically one that is disputed or in doubt.
"he was dogged by the claim that he had CIA links"
synonyms: assertion, declaration, profession, affirmation, avowal, protestation;
2.
a demand or request for something considered one's due.
"the court had denied their claims to asylum"
synonyms: request, application
ques·tion mark
noun
noun: question mark; plural noun: question marks; noun: questionmark; plural noun: questionmarks
a punctuation mark (?) indicating a question.
used to express doubt or uncertainty about something.
"there's a question mark over his future"
So, hopefully that should clarify any confusion you're experiencing as to what the terms you're using actually mean.
Shall we run through the same process to determine whether a statement explicitly pertaining to an ideological stance held by an individual (e.g. "Furthermore; this "if you don't like it, then go away" stance you've decided to take is not only contextually fallacious, but almost inherently childish, as well.") meets the criteria of an ad hominem fallacy?
Hint: It doesn't, but you're welcome to try, Ty: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominem
Have I mentioned that I really, really don't like FA's method of hierarchical comment display?
I've seen the exact scenario happen.
User farorenightclaw is correct in stating that there is simply no logic to the notion that an individual intentionally disregarding the rules of the site would choose to adhere to them on the basis of an additional rule, and you have entirely failed to so much as address that argument. It's like you don't actually know what the term "thus" means.
Furthermore; "if you don't like it, then go away" stance you've decided to take is not only contextually fallacious, but almost inherently childish, as well.
not a "no art posting for you" type nonsense that y'all seem to be getting frmo it moreso ^^"
Having a rule does not mean people won't be able to break it, it only means that if they break it, the admins will have the power to take action. With or without the no-flood rule, people can and will flood, the only difference is that with the rule admins can ban them. However, if the uploader posts a picture that would not be allowed on the site anyway, it makes no difference whatsoever if they are also flooding: they have already broken one rule and must be dealt with.
Seeing a large amount of content at once can be overwhelming but the inbox and browse functions are structured in such a way that you are going to receive as much content that you're likely to enjoy and as little that you won't enjoy as possible: manage your watchlist so that you are following users whose art you like, browse through the appropriate sections.
Taking into account a significantly large number of watched users, periodic bursts of 10 pictures per user for several days is less efficient than a single, large bulk number of uploads per user: you take the time to go through/ignore the large backlog once and you're done, whereas having to spare a short while here and there for all the bursts will result in more time spent going to and fro, thus lowering efficiency, especially in the case of a comic or sequence, where you will have to go back to the previous page because it has been at least 24 hours since you saw it and you need to pick up where you left off.
It could be nice to just do what DA did (the only thing I do like from there) that has a folder for each uploading artist. That way my friend that always posts dumps of things every week on one day, can do so, and not swamp the others that post every blue moon and might get nuked.
That being said, I understand both why the admins want to set this rule as well as the artists' complaints against it. If admins are willing to make exceptions for reasonable cases like comics, then I don't see why they wouldn't make the same exception for something like periodic commission batch uploads. Like, if you're uploading 20 images on one day, but you only do that once a week, then it's technically less flooding than if you were uploading 10 images a day for 7 days straight.
I feel as if there should be an hourly limit, instead of a daily one. So you can technically upload 24 images a day, once per hour, if you really wanted to, if it was one an hour. or make it 3 or 4 an hour. IDK, I'm just spitballing crappy ideas here XD
The series exception (like comics) would be good, but even if I actually REALLY love someone's art, I'd consider it flooding if that person uploaded more than 8 pics a day.
I've actually unwatched one artist for that reason. I still check her page from time to time and I still love her art, I even told her the reason why I was unwatching was because she uploaded way too many submissions a day XD but I'm more comfortable now that it's not flooding my submissions page ^^U
I wasn't able to sit and post pretty much anything for a long time due to real life things, but now I have a lot of art and sketches that I want to post - yet with new rules it would take me a few weeks >_>
You know someone had to ask about that for this to be included....
do thay not stand as not in use under the new rules?
its a good thing to remember them but after a year does it not stand as well as a unused account under the rules?
not questioning the rules on this but to see it on here longer for some reminds them and for some hurts more
and another question i has is can there be a way for us to fully close old accounts we have insted of letting it sit a year?
im just makeing sure that if these accounts under full rules fall with in this even if account holder has passed
and to all so add that in some ways that the policy says that
not to pick on certian things
just to make it a set thing and no 1 sees this as an issue
but i all so think that if dropping the accound ( unused for 1 year/ inactive) if can be
a choice by the owner of said account can send in or push a botton to delete the account
folks usually learn through a friend or partner, etc. that a user has passed, as we have through many of thsoe lost to us on here over the last few years. To them, having a memorial, even if only cybernetic in this regard, can also serve to help in grieving process as well. same ways that a grave can in reality too, ya know? :)
who would i speak to regarding an abandoned group i'd like to see active again?
(note: no one has passed away. it's just inactive.)
Hopefully people will stop now that there's a rule.
It's clearer now, thank you!
THANK GOD FINALLY SOMEONE CRACKS DOWN ON THIS SCAM.
Why.
>look at my dirt hut in minecraft
>here's a dozen pics of my mmo guy
>lol this ragdoll fell funny
Might as well allow those pony generator screencaps too since it's the same thing
For example, those who create sculpts or textures in SecondLife to sell - they cenerate all the artwork on their own, and as someone who is trying to learn, I can tell you it's hard. Not only do sculpts require 3D rendering-skills, but textures require infinite levels of knowledge of how they will look when applied to an object.
If you read the rule fully, they must have created something original using the products. So yes, you may get "look at my house in MC", but the dozen pics of MMO guy and ragdoll fell funny are not allowed under the rule.
What is allowed under the rule is for creators of things on SecondLife to post their artworks. Or ect. :)
I can sort of see where people are coming from when they say all the generated characters are spammy, but it just seems really snobby to wanna ban them outright.
It's not like FA is all that responsible about policing peoples copyright in the first place.
I guess are we going to eat them yet or not.
I mean like...I know it seems right in all but you might want more feedback from others in what they say on this matter.
Feedback is important to all websites so find some feedback that is good.
I sincerely hope this means pot stirring individuals who won't be named, will be swiftly courting a ban.
Does this mean that the framework for renaming an account exists or will exist? Cause that would be a really nice feature.
If the database is done right, User ID(you can see it in account settings) is the primary key.
Well maybe we wouldn't HAVE to shout and note admins if the fucking TT's would get answered in a more timely manner!
People including myself has offered for YEARS to help out and join the team just for TT's instead we keep getting told they are being worked on.
By who exactly? People with a schedule like mine are willing to help and we fill out the apps and nothing is considered.
Just sayin if you don't want angry users spamming admin pages about TT's then maybe you should I dunno... Answers them?
I use to do the same thing on Furcadia, and I am home Monday-Friday and only work weekends and even then it's only till 3.
So I guess it's safe to assume TT's will no longer be answered for years again. Again like I stated above we would not have to poke admins
if they were answering the TT's.
but in FL finding a job is like finding a pot of good at the end of a rainbow. I use art as a supplementary income for what my job does not give. So if I get this job no more having to draw porn for money yay!
I only work weekends so literally fromt he time I wake up at 9am est till like midnight Monday-Friday I can do them if I had that position.
There are several others that are able to do the same to Neer. I don't mean to sound rude but it's upsetting when the TT service is
to help us and the only way they get answered alot of times is by poking an admin. Maybe recruiting a volunteer team just for TT's
should be something worth looking at?
Supposedly at least....
I'll believe the TT team when I see it but I'm not holding my breath.
The fact that people are offering to help FREE OF CHARGE at that and the admins are still saying "we got this, be patient" says a lot.
I hope the "forgotten" tickets get answered ... those that are "complicated" to solve even take more time to be answered, which usually ends up (if its about someone breaking rules) getting away with it, destroying the evidence.
are more people on here that are active so if I have to use this place to help make extra money then I would like it to be at least
somewhat useable.
Overall not good admin material.
I would if you would but you insist on hanging around and throwing insults at admins. Duh.
Gee what an awful person I am wanting to help a site I love and have for 8 years.
And while you're asking for apologies, you might want to apologize for being such a prick to everyone, that might help get the ball rolling on getting you approved as an admin.
Also, last I checked you're a member not a mod, so why don't you follow your own advice, thanks.
Way to be a coward and block after getting the last word in.
Whatever legitimate issues you may have do not in any way, shape or form make it OK to verbally abuse people.
My frustrations are solely from being on this site for 8years and being told the same crap in updates and nothing gets done. I have asked Neer a few years ago if a tickets sits a while may I note him. He told me yes with the number so don't go assuming crap you know nothing about.
I never agreed with people shouting on admins pages for tickets. I was simply saying the users frustrations on this site in text form. That is all.
Wat... so you can't post pics of a snake eating a dead, frozen mouse? That's surely the most graphic thing on this website.
But hey, at least there won't be (yes there will) any obese, mentally ill peeps uploading pics of themselves in diapers.
Yeah....
I can't show a picture of myself eating peeps? Or eating KFC? Or show myself eating food at all? XD Humans quality for animals in my opinion. What about videos of a furmeet where i'm eating food? XD XD XD WHAT ABOUT if i'm in a fursuit eating animal products? I'm always at steak n shake for meets, so what if someone takes a pic of me there? A fursuit is art of an animal. So what if i'm eating food in a fursuit? X_x;;;;;;;
And i've owned a snake. Isn't it natural to eat food? You cant choose whether or not your born a vegetarian animal.
...... So what about a stuffed animal eating food? >_>; this is so dumb. Anyone else here agree with my theory? XD
or some stupid, furry-like behavior similar. :P
I do somewhat agree though that pictures of animals eating animals should stay off the site. I own a snake, and feed him live food every month (I tried dead mice, but he tried to eat my finger instead).
I'm glad they will put a stop to people uploading pictures of themselves in diapers. :P Bleeeeh. I wish they'd implement some filters like the script I use on my page. So any submission containing the keyword diaper in it can be removed automatically from my inbox. :P
theres one for chrome and firefox
but heres the link to what im talking about just in case
chrome-https://chrome.google.com/webstore/.....ocemkogl?hl=en
firefox-https://addons.mozilla.org/en-us/fi.....finity-filter/
https://greasyfork.org/scripts/3763.....cker-hider-2-0 - I got the author to repost it on the new site.
I mean I get you dont like it, but that is kinda a harsh way to put it
though, i guess they must put the eating rule in place bc many are uneasy seeing animals eat one another, even if snake eating is more tame, maybe they could make an exception? unless youre just saying the whole rule in general is bad
I don't feel any desire to take feeding photos, and even less of a desire to post them on a furry website where someone would shove their hands down their pants at the sight of it.
If it was a 'no photos of live reptiles' rule that would be a giant fuck you.
A huge problem I see with allowing people to upload pictures of their snakes being fed is that sometimes it's hard to tell if the rodent was actually pre-killed. My snake still coils around her prey regardless of it being a thawed mouse. There are plenty of people who still live feed and advocate live feeding openly here on FA. So. There's that.
Honestly, and this is just my opinion but if someone has a reptile just because it's 'cool' to watch them eat - then they shouldn't have that reptile. There are plenty of photo ops that you can have with a snake, and it doesn't have to be devouring something for those to take place.
If it was Second Life pics of anything you yourself made would be cool
I haven't played Second Life in ages lol I haven't had the guts to start it back up because it lags my laptop, I need to get a new one. XD
Good luck LMAO!
On other hand\paw, there should separate subsystem that could handle YCHs and stream notices
PFFFF
And if I may make a small joke regarding 8.3: I didn't know FA has 7 "offense levels". That's more than me when I read the FA rules sometimes
-If you shouldn't wear it on the street, you shouldn't post it here.
-If it's perfectly fine to wear it in public, you may post it here.
And there's an exception for swimsuits, which would normally be pretty much underwear, but in an appropriate location (pool or beach) they are fine.
Those seem like fairly standard morals for western countries in this time period. Especially considering that this website attempts to define itself as being different from Facebook (personal photography, often of people, with more focus on the people than the art) and from real-life human pornography/eroticism (flesh and bone people with little or no clothing and/or having sex).
While I can see this as a good thing, I am going to be abandoning this account eventually once I actually get the chance to sit down and transfer all the stuff over to a newer account. I don't mind losing the account but I hope to good that whoever gets it really, really gets a name change for it given the fact that I constantly get notes from some douchebag that always bitches and whines that I don't like the 1950's and that I shouldn't play Fallout because of that. I don't even know enough about the 1950's to even have a opinion of it.
And of course, I read everything always. You stated your concern was for the new person getting potentially harassed. So, add the annoying user to that account's blocklist, and it will transfer to the new owner.
Of course, considering the obscurity of your username, someone wanting your account after a year of inactivity is statistically quite unlikely to actually happen, so it's not really a big deal either way.
Surely, this would only be an issue if the streaming was actually hosted by FA. If it's on another site, then it's up to the streaming site to decide what the rules regarding streaming copyrighted material is, and is up to them to deal with it. This seems an awful lot like that 'internet policing' thing that FA has stated several times that they do not and will not do...
By explicitly stating that links to streams containing illegal content are against the rules, FA is protecting itself from any overzealous copyright enforcement down the road.
One could argue that the admins may not be aware of the user's journal, if they haven't read it, in which case it wouldn't count as omission because they didn't know that an illegal activity was being discussed in the first place. But in any case, it's probably also a bit of "better safe than sorry". If the website explicitly says that they do not allow linking to illegal content then they protect themselves by ensuring that it can't be in any way interpreted that they were compliant.
Really I think they're just putting a rule there so if the lawyers come a-knockin' they can point out it was against the rules and strictly the user's fault.
which is anything at all
if FA wants to make it officially against the rules to do anything that could possibly piss them off, they might as well just shut down the whole site
While you're at it, might as well enforce this overly-reactive rule using a sock puppet account.
Streaming
Videos and streams that utilize the Streaming Now feature must represent a creative effort from the broadcaster.
Only the artist who is streaming may promote the stream via the Streaming Now feature.
Streams featuring movies, television shows, or other copyrighted content are prohibited from use of the Streaming Now feature.
I think Weasyl should just stick with the first two points and drop the third. If a copyright is being abused, the *only* correct way to address it is a DMCA takedown.
It's fair to say "XYZ type of streaming is not relevant to our site," but it's not correct to say that the site is responsible for enforcing anyone's copyright.
Actually, by acting as a copyright enforcer instead of using DMCA, FA could set a precedent that it's liable for all use of copyrights, which means that if they delete one streaming notice for copyright issues, any future streaming notice which they do not delete, they can be sued for. By strictly adhering to DMCA the site is protected.
Either way though, it seems to punish people for accepting some third-party reports and then not dealing with every single one of them ever. Which blows. If you haven't read it, it's good to read: UMG Recordings, Inc. v. Shelter Capital Partners LLC, 718 F.3d 1006 (9th Cir. 2013). It's a fairly new case on the subject, though obviously only specifically pertaining to the 9th circuit.
Wohoo.
Users being mean to each other: not a big deal.
They tend to deal with tickets in an order that makes sense, rather than in the order they receive them. They also tend to do them in batches, because they're human.
So much for that....
"1.11 - Do not flood. Flooding is when you upload more than 10 submissions or 5 journals in a 24 hour period."
I'm concerned about this as well, I'm pretty busy as an artist and Friday is my typical upload day, so everything I've done that week goes up. My watchers have come to rely on this and as far as I know, none of them mind a little flood once a week.
Posting lots of art on an art site, how dare we? :/
Not to mention that I recently moved all of my commissioned things to an extra account so to show off the artists I adore even more.
I have a lot of commissioned work and I don't mind the 60 second rule that is implemented but the fact that I can only post 10 a day? Really?
Are people allowed to, say, link to a Patreon account that says if people support them with $1/mo (and a certain goal $ is met) there will be a random draw for art?
I've seen an FA ad that does this... so I assume that since that ad was approved, that the activity is permitted?
Liked if your paid and then returning with art or an item it's fine. Most raffle that use money for entry are used like extra tickets. (First ones free, if you want more entries donate) It's also okay to pay to enter if the money goes to a charity.
What, exactly, does un-established or is otherwise devoid of content. mean? This wording is not well defined, as it makes it sound like I can loose my account because I don't post any artwork, don't comment or fav work often, just watch other artists post stuff.
Can we get some clarification that people like me are not in risk of loosing our accounts because we don't post?
I would assume that even if you don't post any content, the fact that you have logged in within the last year means that it doesn't count as abandoned.
The way the sentence is structured makes a reader more likely to read it as such:
An abandoned account is one which:
* has not been logged into for a minimum of one year
* is un-established
* is otherwise devoid of content
Notice, all I did was take the structure of the sentence, in a list form, and make it into an actual list. This is the problem, it is not concise of the actual point.
Unless they really DO mean to have it this way. Which I sure hope is not the case.
Regarding COC section 1.8 on malicious speech: The meaning of "bigotry" can vary quite wildly depending on who is deciding. I don't wish to spark a comment storm, but I hope it's clear what I mean here and what my concerns are.
Regarding AUP section 3.5 on photography depicting nudity: The new wording seems to suggest that even incidental inclusion of animal genitalia would be unacceptable. Given that animals don't generally wear clothes, I imagine that might interfere with genuinely nonsexual wildlife photography. Is this bit going to be enforced strictly, or will staff discretion regarding the intent of the picture be used?
I hope the wording of 3.7 can be reworded so that it reflects that.
Most of it is tagged as "General" for some reason, too.
You have elevated that random decision to an immediate month-long ban, followed by 2nd "offense" permaban.
Certainly do not trust the appeals process, as in the past, have not seen any decision challenged, even silly ones, as the admin made a mistake. The general attitude is that these sometimes arbitrary decisions are always right.
The general true attitude of FA is that "we're FA, we don't care" - and that attitude shows in how it treats its users. Making some beg for months or years to get back on and be lead around by the nose that they have a chance to do so. The whole "we're listening thing" seems to just be PR - period.
If I am mistaken and you are listening....let appeals be immediately placed for any permaban to an independent body as a consequence of any month long or permaban without the user even having to do anything. Much like what happens with the death penalty...assume the moderator decisions ARE wrong. Let the independent body judge not only the decision, but say if for the stupid under 18 rule, let them judge if it looks under 18 also.
What is sad is that while other sites are loosening their policies like SF and actually making vast improvements, FA has done almost nothing to improve except make promises and continues to treat the content providers that create it as unwelcome guests.
My advice to artists is still the same...do not rely on FA, but develop following on other sites lest you get permabanned by an admin on a rampage.
Dragoneer's response: that's ridiculous
Within the month, sonic is banned and 2nd mass exodus of FA occurs....
I'm waiting for the banhammer to come down on ponies and cause another exodus XD cuz those ponies are 14-16 yrs old
Don't like it, go somewhere else. Not sure why you even have the account if you hate it so much.
The other sites (from my experience) are lacking. All they do is favorite things (if you're lucky). No comments, no notes for commissions so I'd have to say FA is the best when it comes to business. Plus it allows you to post other things that aren't 100% furry, such as human x furry couples and so on.
I love the childish response though...don't complain about anything, leave if you have anything to say negative about what is going on in a community. Same silly idea if you complain about something in America, you should just leave....childish response. No complaints, no improvement.
Your court argument is silly as there is no threat of that.
You obviously do not have much experience with the other sites. I have 50% more watchers on IB than here and both IB and SF have tons more features and are always adding more. IB had folders from their start, they allow the user to ban keywords you don't want to see, they have tools to promote comics and also a top 10, and allow you to see what your friends are faving at a glance. SF has integrated forums, chat, gaming servers, and is adding things by leaps and bounds. DA is just HUGE.
The only thing allowed here not on IB or SF is human(esque) porn, period. You can post human nonporn on both sites. <--that by the way is the only thing that could get called into courts in other countries, again unlikely in the US.
But as a friend reminded me, the creed back in the beginning of FA, was No censorship of Art based on content...how far they have falling with bureaucratic codes released and re-released every other week. Frankly I'm tired of getting new codes to read every other week...aren't you? especially when they start to read more and more like legalese
Btw you know what happens to you on SF or IB when you break their rules? your art get's taken down and you get told, don't do that. Here you get an immediate one month ban for certain rules. That is the difference in customer service....and both SF and IB have much clearer rules. SF got rid of their rules altogether....and only have one: dont be an ass and do anything that will embarass us or yourself <--that is how you treat people, not permabans and everchanging legal documents.
IB and SF feel like homes...this place feels like the federal government.
Frankly I'm tired of getting new codes to read every other week...aren't you? especially when they start to read more and more like legalese
Then they must have changed it because the only reason why I didn't bother to sign up for those sites (and expand my audience) is because they specifically stated that Humans (Nekos and the like) were prohibited.
I tend to read the TOS and AUP because a lot of places will actually state that they own your content.
Overall: Your only beef with them is that they removed your stuff and you don't like it. This rule isn't about to change, so move along or deal with it - or even better, present them an option worth discussing.
I've also been in a situation where they've banned my account without reason or explanation and had to contact them about it, I've also had an instance where they refused to remove an image using one of my own characters without permission. All I got in response was (summarized), "You can't prove it, that's just coincidence". Even with a link to my gallery.
You also should know the donations dried up after they changed their policy, starting clearing people's accounts, banning people, etc, because people stopped trusting them.
So they haven't gotten funding except by ads, and FA is still here, and their Alertpay account is still closed. SO your arguments are based on lies now...and again the childish retort, IF YOU DON'T LOVE EVERYTHING ABOUT THIS SITE, LEAVE...really? grow up.
When they are editing the AUP/TOS every 2 weeks ...its a bit much to bother to keep up with
OVERALL: my beef is as I said, the constant changing of rules and the arbitrariness of some of the rules, ie very subjective or too broad. another example...you cant link to a stream that shows copyrighted material...that gets you a one month instant ban.....have you ever been to an art stream where the artist wasn't playing copyrighted music in the background? that too broad rule could give every artist who has streamed 1 month ban. Also I have no problem with them removing stuff. I have a problem with them not following their own rules and suspending me for material that did not violate their rules
to wit: never have I received a warning on anything, they just suspended me without warning. The items of suspension did not violate any rules at the time, like a feral bambi with horns and a character from bambi 2, both of whom were sexually mature and fighting over a girl in the movie, but the admin apparently didnt know horns on a deer make them sexually mature. (at the time feral art was not supposed to have an age limit imposed on it at all) and I got suspended for posting a pic of sonic with a large black censor bar over his midsection, no nudity was being shown, yet the admin suspended me (again no warning) because he claimed to KNOW what was under the censor bar....wow I appealed both of these and was told basically admins are always right. (in fact the admin who banned me responded, so some appeal that was)
Still, your arguments are all hypocritical. You don't like this change, yet you promote the thousands of Changes Deviantart has gone through and they don't even tolerate pornography. I'm not sure why you'd be for them.
Deviantart isn't going to change the anti pornography rule.
If FA isn't going to then why bother moping about it and just leave like you continue to express?
Also, if you're drawing an underage sonic with a giant dick that's still a child in a sexual situation. Censor bar or otherwise.
rather than addressing actual concerns and past FA actions...
this is just another PR thing, its what bad managers do. When good new management comes in, they listen and find out how things work, what things are not working. Bad managers move the furniture around to make it look like they are doing something. This is FA moving the furniture around, and making more promises of additional features, that history shows in 9 years never come.
Uh I'm advocating IB and SF, not DA....i barely have a presence on there. You miss the point that this place has steadily become more and more like DA...instead of embracing adult art, which is 50% of their views and comments, the admins try to ignore and downplay it, as if embarassed by it. That is the hypocritical thing when its what this place was founded on. They say, well the submissions are 90% nonporn, which get no views...
So are you saying I should shut up and let this place become a furry DA with 10% of the features DA has?
So many things wrong with your last statement....censor bar means nothing was showing...hence its PG by television standards which actually show more with pixelation. If you cant see the porn its not porn. 2nd you are applying a human age standard that's only generalize...16 is legal in many states...and you are applying this human standard to a talking hedgehog....really? Are you trying to protect the sexual integrity of talking hedgehogs under a certain age? Even dragoneer said applying human age standards to talking animals was ridiculous...unfortunately sonic haters changed his mind and selectively said sonic was somehow perverted for his supposed age, but pikachu porn is ok...and third...talking animals saving the world on a regular basis are not children....really? You do realize also that cartoon and video game characters are all aged as teens to appeal to a market, only villians are generally "adults". That too is completely arbitrary, they all act like adults 15 yr olds dont save the world
You can also quit with the use of pompous english, there's a difference between intellectual/aware and googling synonyms and long winded stanzas.
When good new management comes in, they listen and find out how things work, what things are not working.
Clearly cub/sonic porn was not working with them, so they got rid of it.
more promises of additional features, that history shows in 9 years never come.[quote]
The site actually runs a lot faster compared to the years before. Remember, these people are volunteering, they're not actually employed and getting paid.
[quote].instead of embracing adult art, which is 50% of their views and comments, the admins try to ignore and downplay it, as if embarassed by it. That is the hypocritical thing when its what this place was founded on. They say, well the submissions are 90% nonporn, which get no views...
Citing the actual reported statistics and not pulling them out of thin air works a lot better in debates.
So are you saying I should shut up and let this place become a furry DA with 10% of the features DA has?
You're not making any improvement by sitting here spitting hogwash with your mockery of a vocabulary either.
censor bar means nothing was showing...hence its PG by television standards which actually show more with pixelation.
SEXUAL SITUATION, a giant erect dick is both sexual and they are IN the situation. It doesn't matter if it's a little kid that found mommy's vibrator, it's unacceptable and not allowed.
Do I care that this is a talking animal with a dick? No, I really don't give a fuck, but apparently the artist was willing to go and designate the ANIMAL a HUMAN AGE at some point. Do I think pokemon are okay to screw? I don't give a sh**, they're not real, but what's to say it won't inspire someone to go bend over a newborn pup and make 'em take it up the @$$?
The large majority has come to a vote that they don't want to see cub art on the site, they LISTENED to the people, as you continue to complain about. What's decided is decided and unless you bring them more than just your 'opinion', nothing will change.
Leave or suck it up.
Well no...the sonic/cub bans were the arrogance of management. There was no consensus or vote...and what happened was 2 mass exoduses from FA...people taking your advice and say F this place....filling the ranks of IB and SF...much like this place got popular when DA started getting bureaucratic. So their rash decisions made huge numbers of people leave...it made me actually pay attention to IB and SF in case things got more crazy here...and as said, I have 40% more watchers on IB than here now...even though I've been here a year longer. The sonic thing was purely (we believe, because some higher up didn't like Sonic art, which was the most popular thing at the time)...so My Little Pony is most popular now...and the main characters are canonically 14-16 yrs old. I'd love to see FA obey their rules and ban all MLP art (except discord, celestia and luna) but you don't see them doing that, because they don't want another mass exodus of users...they finally realized their actions have consequences...so they live in this hypocritical state of fake rules. Can't say our Sonic snaffu was wrong, because that would mean admins made a mistake...can't enforce rules because we don't want another mass exodus. Pure egotism.
and uh the stats come from FA, they actually post them on the forums if you wanna look.
and again no, by raising my voice I make people aware of the problems...unlike you who says if you have a problem or foresee one, leave FA...join the mass exoduses...that will be the reason FA eventually dies I think.
and do you not understand what a censor bar means...it means you see a black box over things...no erect dicks...etc...you see a black box...if one didnt have a dirty mind, they'd be hugging. For an admin, like you to imagine a dick behind the black box is crazy...to suspend someone for a black box is absurd, yet the admins did it here...and when appealed, apparently thought that was ok...would love an apology that that admin was an idiot (he's no longer an admin btw)
so your latest stupid rant...you admit THESE THINGS ARENT REAL....the company, not the artist declared an age, for purely marketing reasons. All heros are generally in the teen bracket...villians are allowed to be older becuz we hatests old people. Modern culture yay...the stupid young are heros and old ppl are villians...must make the military industrial complex proud XD
and no...there was no vote...mass exoduses from FA say you are wrong. So wrong that they tried to change their sonic policy...hey just redraw sonic OUR way, and you can post <--pathetic attempt to admit they were wrong without saying we made a mistake....ya know..I'd be much less hostile to FA admins if they actually admitted they made mistakes...(till then their appeal thing is just PR and you will never get a decision overturned unless you beg and scrape and crawl before your masters - that seems to be the real appeal process from what I've heard...even big name artists, they make beg and scrape...seems an ego trip if you ask me, not a site that wants content providers to continue making them relevent...
so you say accept all the crap or leave....yeah eventually i will leave...FA will eventually become irrelevant...they will lose popularity (it can really happen suddenly too...anyone remember AOL? one decision killed them in 2 yrs time)
OR FA can change...stop being legalistic, stop making huge lists of rules that are vague and open ended ( as i said their rules now state anyone streaming playing copyrighted music gets an immediate 1 month ban - PS are not responsible for things offsite...this is total control freak rules, its asking for the next mass exodus if enforced)
srsly, SF is the most progressive in this,,,their rules....dont be an ass....dont embarass yourself or us...thats it
ONE LINE...not 4 cross referenced codes referring to subsections that if you violate any of our subjective rules \you get banned for a month than permabanned
what this says to me as an artist is dont invest a lot of time here...invest more time on sites that actually give you warnings...or slaps on the wrists...why should i be given a month ban as a CONTENT PROVIDER..the guys making this site run...if someone decides arbitrarily one of the arts is under 18. NOT cub
AGAIN THIS IS NOT ABOUT CUB...if you wanna ban cub, SAY so...but the under 18 thing is ridiculous---who says so? documented...
so your idea that the majority voted...no...dunno how many left FA totally because of those bans,.,,,but significant minorities left to swell the ranks of other sites...which is why you dont see a MLP ban now...they learned their lesson not to enforce their rules on popular fandoms after sonic...
but plz encourage them to do so, cause another mass exodus, and shorten the time FA remains relevent..
the ONLY thing that will extend that is more customer service...changing the idea at the top thats its OUR site, we make the rules, to actually trying to cater to content providers...which are not the enemy of FA, but the backbone of it...its too bad FA has encouraged osteroporosis for the last 4 yrs
and sorry if I have a large vocabulary...Ashamed to admit I am college educated..I've written well over a million words in my short time on earth, so if you don't like people using words bigger than you, grow up.
you do realize that's how FA started...people leaving DA over similar things...so you want to encourage people to leave FA...the content providers no less
you should really ask yourself, what the effect of that get out policy will leave FA in 5 yrs
the no soup for you guy in seinfield had people around the block due to excellent product. FA is the bottom of barrel...no real change in what it actually does in 9 yrs.
as i said DA, though huge and no porn, has numerous services
IB had folder from the beginning, you can block keywords you dont want to see, top 100 in last 3 days, in comics, overall, what your friends fav'd, etc
SF has CHAT, integrated forums, game servers, etc...wow I mean wow, they just blew up in last 2 yrs...total cudos to them for expanding services.. (btw permabanned from FA forums for asking questions yay--maybe i can beg on my knees to get reinstated - dont care..and if i get permabanned here? expecting it...i will not beg to get back on...i will email everyone I have dealings with to leave FA if they want dealings with me...seen too many artists beg for years to get back on...If FA doesnt want a content provider...i will move my content elsewhere and do as much as possible to destroy them, seems pure business right?)
what has FA done in 9 yrs? well i can hide comments....yay?
My little pony, as far as they discussed, ponies without "Cutie Marks" are considered underage. The creator even went on to explain their ages.
TMNT I didn't even know was an issue, but keep in mind 18yr olds are still called Teens for the fact that Teen is still in the number (Nine-TEEN vs Twenty). I have no idea how old they are nor do I care.
I'm sorry you don't speak fluent English. I wasn't aware. For that I'm not sure if I should bother to clarify your misinterpretations, such as sonic ages. I didn't say FA said he was 16, the actual people who worked hard to create and make these characters stated as such. You know, CREATORS RIGHTS. Beyond that, I have yet to see a series where they confirm sonic ISN'T a Kid. Sonic Underground, Sonic X. A lot of things mention him being 15-16. A lot of the 'adults' are often depicted with longer limbs and as such I can see why FA has made this example when it comes to making sonic porn.
If FA doesnt want a content provider...i will move my content elsewhere and do as much as possible to destroy them, seems pure business right?)
Oh, but that would just be childish, now wouldn't it? :o Leaving like that? For shame!
Even if I did waste my time answering all of your questions and the, yet again, long winded banter of your own self proclaimed righteousness in your 'business' proposition, what are you going to do to actively change it? All you have done so far is complain and threaten to leave. You still haven't proposed anything in a calm and persuasive manner.
People left over the false rape accusations. They sure as hell won't leave for a no-name like yourself and even if they did, you're a mere fleck on the population that is disgruntled by their rules. Don't like it, then you can always accept the site that does what you want. The world doesn't revolve around just you, in case you forgot, and you sure as hell aren't returning the profit to FA so why would they need you? You lack the power and importance - unfortunately to say. There are a lot of artists that make more money than you on just one commission with higher quality.
You waste your time talking about shit that isn't a discussion. You already have the answer. Would you like lessons on debates and how to keep from turning the subject onto yourself? Especially when you can't provide the screenshots or examples of these tragic and hate enducing scenarios?
I can see that you were permabanned for obvious reasons. It's like trying to make a statement on gun policies by shooting everyone, how do you expect anyone to listen to you when they're all dead or have more insults than you do conversation?
By the by: There's more to updates than just visuals. In case you didn't notice, there's this thing called script and coding that keeps this site up. If you're so up to date on the latest news than you would know that the short staffed site has had to work around many bugs and issues such as spam bots and that they're also working on this thing called Project Pheonix, where the site will receive its visual overhaul.
Business isn't childish. It's business. Other sites value my content more, I will move it there and post less here.
And again, I have proposed changes. 1. stop the pointless shifting of rules. Get rid of them totally, install 3 like SF did...don't be a jerk, don't violate the law, don't embarass yourself or us. 2. get rid of the really harsh repercussions....srsly, a 1 month ban for first time breaking what can be an arbitrary decision...such as not knowing in some manual somewhere, that rule 34 character is listed as 16. really? get rid of lists of punishments....grow some balls and deal with each situation as it occurs and do what is necessary. Warnings and slaps on the wrist should be sufficient LIKE OTHER SITES DO....unless someone is being malicious. When you treat people like adults and not prison inmates, they tend to like your site better and not get mad at your site. <--pretty much already said that...but then admins wont have the color of law behind them.
by the by...they've been promising it for 9 years, every summer as a matter of fact...has yet to arrive..you're new here aren't you? SO which admin are you sleeping with that you are see this site as doing nothing wrong?
Again, I can't take your word as law. Here you are going on about how your permaban was unjust yet you can't provide a screenshot of it.Chances are you just continued to abuse the system and even harass the Volunteering staff to the point where they had the right.
Have fun pretending to hate FA so much. We all know you'll just keep using it anyway! You've taken the time and effort to create multiple accounts already.
2. I told you HOW it was unfair in that it did not break any rules...you cant say its underaged porn if nothing is showing but heads and legs and big black bar over rest
and a feral bambi with horns was suspended because admin didnt know deers with horns are mature....branched horns at that.
in a legalistic system that FA has setting up, they only have the right to obey their rules,
and you just admitted you are a schill for the admins which is why you are claiming FA does no wrong, if not a ghost account of an actual admin....no further responses are necessary, you are a fake
and again...you misunderstand disliking (not hating) the stupid actions and power tripping rules of the of admins and the community of FA
-Please cite the source where it explains that deer are sexually mature just because they have antlers.
-Please note that if the artwork does not stay within FA's current AUP standards, it will be removed, especially if it involves a minor in a sexually suggestive situation. It does not matter if it is covered, if it is implied it is still an issue. <--- This is why they revise rules, to make them clearer to people
-No where in any sentence did I acknowledge/confirm/imply that I was an admin, it's just common sense. Places are going to have rules and if you don't like them then that's your beef and you'll just have to deal with it until someone else with half a brain presents a reasonable argument to the owner. If by opposing your values that makes me a boot licker to FA then that's your opinion. Note how it's still not going to change anything?
-If you want to make a case out of something at least come prepared, if you want change, actively do something to provoke said change, don't just sit here and make a journal/comment crying about it and demanding a malicious retaliation.
-Mistaking Hate for Disagreement- Maybe you're in denial, but most people don't dedicate this much time to posting their displeasure of the site on their profile, nor do they publicly announce that they are going to leave and try to take others with them, just because they REVISE and BRING CLARITY to their rules.
"No! I want ALL of the cupcakes to have pink frosting, not just one!"
Don't like it? Deal with it or move onto another site that gives you what you want. Problem solved. It wouldn't make sense to have 3 websites that were completely identical in the first place.
and yeah, tried to make an account for horror stuff, gave up on it, no time, and once I think I tried to make a group, but no time. but HOW WOULD YOU KNOW THIS, unless you have inside information
so good luck being a ghost account of admins
goodluck telling people FA is awesome and does nothing wrong...you have no credibility
Unfortunately, this means you're probably smart enough to realize that faaar too many of your points have been -for lack of a better term- bullshit. And it's really making you come across as someone who would deliberately lie and feign ignorance in order to further your personal views and options, as opposed to actually engaging in the exchange of perspective, ideas, and information to the mutual benefit of all involved in the discussion.
While don't really consider "cub art" to be my thing (personally speaking, I kinda find it to be visually repulsive, but that's beside the point), that's what it seems much of your debate pertains to, so let us address some various speaking points, shall we?
-Please cite the source where it explains that deer are sexually mature just because they have antlers.
Here you are, courtesy of the University of Missouri: http://extension.missouri.edu/p/g9486
They don't want to go to court because someone wanted to draw their kitty porn and post it for everyone else to see.
Don't like it, go somewhere else. Not sure why you even have the account if you hate it so much.
The other sites (from my experience) are lacking. All they do is favorite things (if you're lucky). No comments, no notes for commissions so I'd have to say FA is the best when it comes to business. Plus it allows you to post other things that aren't 100% furry, such as human x furry couples and so on.
P.S DA is worse than FA. At least on FA you have a chance to be spotted on the front page and people talk to you. I've been on DA for years and have only made 20 watchers. I don't do fanart/freebies much.
I've also been in a situation where they've banned my account without reason or explanation and had to contact them about it, I've also had an instance where they refused to remove an image using one of my own characters without permission. All I got in response was (summarized), "You can't prove it, that's just coincidence". Even with a link to my gallery.
And, with that, you've provided an excellent answer to your own question as to why this guy has an account here to begin with, why he should make an effort -however ineffective- to change things to his liking, and why he shouldn't simply pack up and go somewhere else.
I didn't say FA said he was 16, the actual people who worked hard to create and make these characters stated as such. You know, CREATORS RIGHTS.
It's the creators that do and if they want to make Ash Ketchum 10 years old for the rest of his life then that is their choice and you're just going to have to keep your kitty porn to yourself or on a site where it's tolerated. This has nothing to do with marketing, it has everything to do with creators rights and you're not going to change that.
I'm sorry to say that you are mistaken in your understanding of what the term "Creator's Rights" actually means. It does not, in any way, prohibit a non-publishing entity from making changes to a character or franchise in their own personal depictions of it. As such; the notion that "X creator said Y character is Z age, so you're not allowed to claim Y is, or depict Y as, any age other than Z" is incorrect.
It's also worth noting that the Creator's Bill of Rights isn't actually a law. So there's that, I guess.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Creato.....Bill_of_Rights
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Creator_ownership
I can see that you were permabanned for obvious reasons. It's like trying to make a statement on gun policies by shooting everyone, how do you expect anyone to listen to you when they're all dead or have more insults than you do conversation?
That's a hell of a stretch. I condemn insult laden arguments every bit as much as the next guy, but to claim that they're somehow similar to presenting an argument through shooting everybody just isn't true. Primarily (in this context, anyway) because insults don't actually prevent a rebuttal from other involved parties, while killing everyone around you most certainly does.
Notice how you're the only one doing the 'name calling' here?
Stop trying to twist my words. Do you have a counselor for these paranoias? I would never waste my time replying to trouble tickets. I'd rather be gaming, working a paying job or producing more artwork. I can very well see that this is just one big grudge you haven't let go of. Based on your journals I can see that you are the fake, even going through withdraw and asking for people to comment.
I'm sure this excerpt speaks for itself. Please try your best to avoid resorting to this.
Do I care that this is a talking animal with a dick? No, I really don't give a fuck, but apparently the artist was willing to go and designate the ANIMAL a HUMAN AGE at some point. Do I think pokemon are okay to screw? I don't give a sh**, they're not real, but what's to say it won't inspire someone to go bend over a newborn pup and make 'em take it up the @$$?
Here's what I consider the most important point. Here's where we put aside petty interpersonal quarrels, and enter the realm of potentially dangerous ways of thinking.
I'm not looking to single you out here, as this is an extremely common and understandable reaction, but rage and hostility become readily apparent here. This is the mentality that leads to people being beaten to near death in alleyways over witch-hunts or mere accusations, that leads to teenagers being charged with possession of child pornography and having their names forever added to a sex offender registry simply for having a naked picture of theirself, and -most importantly- leads to fuck-all actually being done to prevent actual instances of sexual abuse against minors.
Simply put, basic cause and effect is who says fetishes like this "won't inspire someone to go bend over a newborn pup and make 'em take it up the @$$".
I could get in to the more complicated psychological aspects of this with you later, if you would like, but to put it in a nutshell that the layperson can understand: Pornography is not the cause of attraction, attraction is the cause of pornography.
In much the same way you can't make a gay person straight simply by constantly exposing them to huge amounts of heterosexual pornography (results like this require the use of intense aversion therapy, which is extensively damaging and essentially amounts to intentionally inflicted PTSD http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aversion_therapy), you can't make someone want to fuck a newborn animal through exposure to "young looking" (you know, by human standards) cartoon "kinda-sort of-animal" pornography, regardless of how disgusting or explicit.
If that was how it worked, this entire website would be full of people who routinely molest fully matured animals, because they're in to furry porn.
Thank you. XD Mighta just been my lack of wording in google search but the articles in my results were always irrelevant.
And, with that, you've provided an excellent answer to your own question as to why this guy has an account here to begin with, why he should make an effort -however ineffective- to change things to his liking, and why he shouldn't simply pack up and go somewhere else.
To me it just seems like working at Mc Donalds. He's mad about FA not getting his order right and he goes out of the way to insult them rather then asking them if they can give him something with no pickles. Unfortunately he seems offended by that approach.
I'm sorry to say that you are mistaken in your understanding of what the term "Creator's Rights" actually means. It does not, in any way, prohibit a non-publishing entity from making changes to a character or franchise in their own personal depictions of it. As such; the notion that "X creator said Y character is Z age, so you're not allowed to claim Y is, or depict Y as, any age other than Z" is incorrect.
It's also worth noting that the Creator's Bill of Rights isn't actually a law. So there's that, I guess.
No, I didn't mean to say that it was actually law. People will draw characters older or younger, I didn't mean to say that was illegal, but if he's going to draw the character as said 15 year old body and make no effort to imply that he has "grown up" and "Matured" then it only makes sense for FA to remove it.
That's a hell of a stretch. I condemn insult laden arguments every bit as much as the next guy, but to claim that they're somehow similar to presenting an argument through shooting everybody just isn't true. Primarily (in this context, anyway) because insults don't actually prevent a rebuttal from other involved parties, while killing everyone around you most certainly does.
It was an exaggerated example but an example nonetheless.
I'm sure this excerpt speaks for itself. Please try your best to avoid resorting to this.
When someone assumes I'm an admin and declares that "I must be sleeping with one" because I can tell they have a second account, I think it's safe to say they're paranoid or something along that line. XD
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Yes, yes, I know what you mean but if someone is already interested in screwing wee little things, allowing visual access they could become bored with Just Pictures and eventually move onto the real thing.
This is the same sort of argument that's been used to question sex and violence on TV as well as in movies and videogames, and the overwhelming research points towards the answer being 'NO'. It's a slippery slope fallacy. Fantasy =/= reality.
http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog.....se-social-harm
"Since the arrival of Internet porn:
* Sexual irresponsibility has declined. Standard measures include rates of abortion and sexually transmitted infections. According to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC), since 1990, the nation's abortion rate has fallen 41 percent. The syphilis rate has plummeted 74 percent. And the gonorrhea rate has plunged 57 percent.
* Teen sex has declined. The CDC says that since 1991, the proportion of teens who have had intercourse has decreased 7 percent. Teen condom use has increased 16 percent. And the teen birth rate has fallen 33 percent.
* Divorce has declined. Since 1990, the divorce rate has decreased 23 percent.
* Rape has declined. According to the Justice Department's National Crime Victimization Survey, since 1995, the sexual assault rate has fallen 44 percent."
While I'm not saying it can't happen the problem is that most of the research having to do with porn and pedophiles comes from studies done on convicted pedophiles-it's inherently flawed because there's no control group. Of course the statistics are going to seem higher because they're studying the extreme cases. There a known cases of pedophiles who don't look at porn, and who suppress their urges.
Frankly since even the medical community itself can't give a definitive answer I really don't think you can state such a thing with 100% surety.
It doesn't matter if it's fictional. I've already encountered a few that believe anime kitty porn is cute. Sure. Whatever. It's fake. Sonic x Link, whatever, I personally don't care about the content but that doesn't mean it'll be the same for the next person.
'Cause then I learn that they've started interacting with a 14 yr old in a sexual RP community. Because you know, 'it's cute'. This wasn't a thing up until they'd discovered that uh... what's it called... Loli stuff? Or was it shota? I think it was something like that, on FA and other sites. And then they go on to say that they'd so be willing to meet up with this person and do things.
I don't talk to them anymore...
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I've already heard of cases where it talks about the Pedo becoming bored of pictures and wanting to do the real thing. The fact that they had access to these things to help inspire/bring them to that epiphany is the problem.
People form groups and communities for these cub things now. Imagine how things would have been had they never been introduced to the stuff in the first place. Not entirely gone no, but instead of communities they could at least be isolated to an individual.
Sorry but just because people are fans of that sort of art in no way means that they have any interest in doing it for real. I love bestiality art yet the last thing I'd ever do is abuse an animal. I love rape fantasy rp yet I would never, ever dream of violating someone for real. I was raped when I was young, and the rp has helped me deal with the negative affects of that. The last thing I'd ever do is put someone through what I've been through.
Fantasy =/= reality. There are people who are fans of violent movies. Should we never let anyone make a bad movie because someone 'might' become violent because of it despite there being so much evidence showing that it doesn't have a harmful effect?
Not saying to get rid of everything. Every rule has it's exception and blahblahblah. I've got more important things to focus on right now. Peace.
Sure thing.
Done.
and as said, calls for improvement and change are that, not calls to end FA
so why would anyone leave because they dont like the owners actions?
I dont like everything america (or your country of origin) do you? I think not...are you planning on leaving your country because of it? no, because your conclusion is stupid, childish and hypocritical...or are you packing right now?
Did I leave when I saw people posting gore pics? No, because it didn't affect me. Did I complain when Bronies happened? No, because they didn't particularly bother me. But when FurAffinity superimposes bullshit on what I can and can't draw, that affect me, and I have problems with it.
But then again, I'm going to be brutally honest here, I drew a character in my style who was 13 with his dick out on this site and nobody batted an eye because I put NOTHING in my description despite saying "I'm concerned because the characters in my story are 7 human years old, which is 13 in their age, which is AT LEAST a year after sexual maturity."
(I can make this shit up 'cause it's a feral pokemon.)
OH! Wait, look at that real quick. I can make shit up becuase it's a POKEMON. IT DOESN'T EXIST! Loophole, much!
for example Elsa is the first disney princess over 18...at 21....but she's also a pastiche of a villian, the snow queen in a more sympathetic light too.
Lord knows I stopped trying to be nice...
now they're codifying and getting bureaucratic about it...i mean really anytime your rules start referring to other sections of itself by number, its too big
My account was mistakenly banned a while back, and I managed to regain access by (admittedly) pestering the admins and appealing with evidence of why I believed it to be a mistake. I learned from experience that while you do have to note admins personally in order to really be noticed, ban appealing is a thing that happens from time to time, so don't lose faith in it all together.
the point is, the appeals shouldnt be handled by the same people/group giving out the bans
better yet, get rid of the harsh penalties...we are not prisoners to be discipled, we're users they need to attract and keep happy
but this place is run as a kingdom, not a business trying to attract customers with their product, which is why FA will eventually fade away
I think most are just ignored. Then there's all these cases where people have to lower themselves, lose dignity, beg for months to be allowed back on...and that's not a process...that's someone with an egotrip feeding their ego
Most are general or covered.
But i often dont have to worry about violating these o.o
https://forums.furaffinity.net/thre.....-Avatar-Policy
AUP updates looking good as well :>
As for the Journal Limit of 5, let that stand as I see there's really no need for more than 5 journals in a 24 hour period. This is a good rule because unlike image notifications, you can't go past the first page of journal notifications without having to delete some newer journals to get to the older ones. (A longstanding issue on the site that probably won't get fixed anytime soon) So it gets to be a problem when someone floods journals, I actually had to unwatch a few people who kept on doing this.
So in closing please revisit the flood rule and see about increasing the submission limit of 10.
It could use revision, such as having the regen period be 30 minutes (browse other art during this time), just so people don't have to stay up all night to wait to upload their 40+ pic commission backlog.
I dunno, I just felt like it was a great idea.
It actually reminds me of the "Commands" in Kingdom Hearts Birth By Sleep, Re:Coded, and Dream Drop Distance. It made magic more usable in comparison to the previous entry, 358/2 days, by changing it from "a limited quantity you make use of until the mission ends" (i.e. 10 submissions per day [mission] until the 24 hour period is over and you go to bed for a night [return to "The World That Never Was" hub world to restock) and instead made it into "select a command, use it, and an Active Time Gauge will independantly begin filling up which will make the command usable again in a few seconds. Feel free to use other commands during the load time," which streamlined gameplay and, if implemented according to the metaphor in the attempt to quell flooding on FA, would streamline uploading submissions while allowing artists with large amounts of content to finish their queue in a day.
Another analogy, probably more understandable, is the idea of the on-ramp in front of a highway, which has the two lanes with one green/red light per lane. It allows for consistent activity, and the red light is never active for more than two cars passing in the adjacent lane.
Right now, the rule seems to be "after a 10 submission cutoff point, you must wait for the 24 hour period to end [probably with a system dialog from FA preventing you from accessing the "submit content" page]," when with your idea, flooding would be quelled and the wait time before accessing the "submit content" page would only be around 2 hours, possibly cut down to 30 minutes.
That was fun to think about. Not sure if it is entirely applicable to FA's coding situation as I am not knowledgeable in that area, but it does seem like a good idea to me.
And I agree that the 2 hour regen period was slow but it was the closest to that of the 24 hour limit. I think that the 30 minutes one is a much better wait time
Just scroll past them, artists need money too.
Nothing wrong with adds that dont violate anything
If anything they could move them to the bottom section of the page lol
Not complaining, but it'd be nice if either the ads had to follow the rules or the rules were changed to allow them for clarity.
Its much simpler to just upload a different thumbnail, as most artists do for them.
Making animated gifs is a major part of what I do around here, if I try use .swf (flash) files I can't upload them into the icon category for browsing, this isn't end of the world stuff but it'd be nice to have posts show up decently (or in same cases not being a click hurdle in general). This hasn't always been a problem, with more icon artists popping up it really should be taken care of.
Mine arent really good enough for me to care, but still.
Trouble Ticket system or email support[at]furaffinity.net
Trouble Ticket system
Trouble Ticket system
>Tickets wont be lost in the abyss of 'backlogs'
Or is what you're trying to say is "Don't upload pictures of your dogs cock", pretty much?
Some people may get depressed if they can't wake up to a MASSIVE cock in their inbox.
Note: If anybody reading this wants a massive cock slap at random hours of the day or night, just shout me and i'll give you a good one!
I don't understand to why there is a category for them but yet they are not allowed.
Prior to the policy revamping I had uploaded a screenshot to someone I watch for their 10K pageview as use for a valid entry to earn a prize, but yet it was deleted right from my Gallery. I was forced to use an alternative image site to get my entry in.
So, I guess what I am asking is for a very clear 'list' as to what is acceptable for screenshots and what isn't....where it is allowed to be uploaded.
I bring this up because I had been informed by a mod that it's perfectly all right to use profanity in an FA avatar. That just seems odd to me. Nudity is forbidden, but profanity is fine?
Can I get some clarification on this?
My suggestion would to be NOT to focus on a 24 hour period, but 6 or 10/12 hour periods, which would allow for quicker catch up, and space out submissions. Artist gets up, does some uploads, do stuff for the rest of the day, does more uploads before bed.
And thank you for clarifying taxidermy. THAT is a good clarification.
You only see their little bottoms from behind.
Is this considered unacceptable by the new AUP?
http://www.furaffinity.net/view/9875045/
Also, you are asking for a feature that would better the lives of the users, so I wouldn't get your hopes up
Until I see irrefutable proof, that says beyond a shadow of a doubt that he did, or did not, do it, the whole clique are fucking idiots. Far as I'm concerned, they can all take an Auschwitz shower. People that dumb don't deserve to breed.
I have two issue with it tho, what will be done about "forgotten" tickets that hadn't been answered for months/years?
Another is, if someone wants to claim the account or terminate it because of inactivity, will a notification be sent to the email of the account?
About the notifying the user, I do not see it to be fair, what if you reappear and want your account back? :/
-thinks about all the lost data-
But this got me wondering about if there's any plans for the thumbnails.
I'm not trying to be rude or abrasive with any of this: This is obviously just my opinion. However.
It feels more and more like FA is NOT looking out for the artists on this site and NOT having any artists' needs/wants in mind when they design these rules. This has been seen time and time again; first with the rule about posting YCHs and other advertisements (which have since been slightly changed, but still), and now we have a 10-submission-a-day limit. This definitely makes me question who's interests are in mind with these additions, because it almost certainly is not the artists.
I find it slightly disturbing that other sites seem to be more free with their rules for artists, and FA seems to limit them more and more with each new update to the rules. Which makes me question whether or not this site is intended to be for art anymore.
TL;DR: I really don't get the ridiculous 10-submissions-a-day rule.
I honestly don't see any artists (save a few like fydbac) who can get anywhere NEAR 10 quality drawings a day every day for any length of time. If you have more than a day's work to upload something, why are you waiting to upload it? What about it is so time sensitive that a single day's difference makes this "ridiculous"?
Legitimately curious as to what your thought process is here.
Well, that's the thing, isn't it? Quality is subjective. I tend to not upload more than 10 a day; I also tend to upload immediately. But my way of doing things is NOT the only way of doing things, and I would never feel like it's fair to push what I do onto anyone else. Do I have specific examples in the category of 'artists who upload more than 10 pictures a day for multiple days'? No. Should I even have to have a specific example? In my opinion, no. I'm not against a rule because of specific artists who are uploading 20+ things a day. I'm against the rule in it's general terms.
Most people seem to come back with the 'what's so time sensitive' issue. My opinion is that it's not a matter of time sensitivity, and it shouldn't come down to whether or not it's time sensitive. For an art site, especially one of this caliber or popularity, to limit artists in any way is ridiculous to me. But some limits must be set on artists for certain reasons, fine, whatever, there have to be rules. But for them to narrow down how much art we can post when on an art site is equally ridiculous to me.
The thought process is that there's a lot of artists on this website, this is a mainly (as far as I know) art website, and yet there's now a limit on how much art artists can post? I don't know how to explain something that's so sharply obvious to me as being stupidly dumb, so I apologize if I'm not making much sense. I rarely comment on things like this, so I hope I got my point across!
Again, you're making a huge logical fallacy here. Artists aren't the only people on this site.
If they were, you'd be absolutely correct that this isn't fair. But you're only seeing a portion of the whole picture. That's all.
I don't feel like this rule really tries to fix the problems, but rather it tries to blanket a bunch of problems at once. Like I said, I don't think this is the way to go about it. There's many concerns from many different people on this website. Artists included, but not exclusively artists. I don't feel they really address most people's concerns. But I'm not involved in most people's concerns; I'm involved with mine, and I do art.
I feel the majority of the site is either artists or people seeking art. Therefore, I feel that anything that limits that concept is ridiculous. I'm sure there are other rules and other things happening that affect a different genre of people, but I'm not in that genre, so either I don't know about the subject, or I don't know about the severity of their problems.
On 'whole picture' terms the rule affects everybody on the site, both people who post and people who don't. I'm part of the 'people who post' category, so that's the perspective I come from. My opinion comes from my perspective, which almost in it's definition is going to be flawed and biased, and I don't deny that.
Then, if they get a large number of users, they become more restrictive as artists abuse their systems.
It happened with DeviantArt.
It happened with FurAffinity.
And it'll happen with whatever other site you are vaguely referring to if they become popular enough, over time.
Face it, the YCH spam was out of control, and as a *user* of this site I'm glad they cracked down on it. Some of this other stuff that you artists hate greatly benefits me, the user, as well.
you need to deal with the trouble tickets and such already in your system before you go and pick new battles/trouble tickets and start banning people.
Here's a suggestion though - can we get the ability to make adult journals? It seems that there should be a place for that - it seems helpful.
Looks like you cannot post any adult/mature rated language, stories, or links about it in journals or profiles. (example: tumblr link with porno inside)
The irony is that you probably eat meat yourself. You don't give a fuck about the animal's capacity to "consent" to that, do ya?
Animals can not consent so yeah I'm sure you can connect the dots.
I have a few suggestions as well like the ability to have adult profiles and clean profiles and the ability to choose a clean and an adult icon for said profiles along with being able to schedule when our submissions show up. An anti flood system or a way to hit a check box so it doesn't flood the front page.
So far i'm rather interested to see what's next ! I'm super curious about the UI updates as well.
How can a profile be adult? Or a journal for that matter? Legitimately curious as to what your thought process is here.
I do believe the ability to make some journals friends only would be good as well or some content friends only.
The way the rules are written, I can see a lot of people submitting 'clean' fetish work (possibly legitimately, possibly mis-categorized) and getting reported by people who interpret it as more sexual (more trouble tickets).
I don't have a strong opinion on how fetish content should be tagged, but I would like to know how the mods are going to be interpreting the issue.
5/10 for making me reply in slight annoyance.
I get what the point of this rule is, but I think it is immensely flawed in the way it's worded. Any link to any website that features stuff that is not allowed on FA is prohibited. Does this effectively mean that you can't link to any of your Tumblr blogs, any submission on deviantART (you pretty much see full frontal nudity on the front page at any point in time) or any number of other sites where you can come across human nudity?
Google search has porn, is Google then banned as well? Or a link to your Twitter if you ever posted a link there to something prohibited? I know that at least one artist in the past has gotten a warning for linking to their twitter where they then had a link somewhere to stuff that wasn't allowed on FA. How many clicks away from anything that FA doesn't like do you have to get?
I know this is taking things to the extreme, but if there is precedent for it, what's to stop it from happening again? Don't get me wrong, I enjoy FA and appreciate the steps you're taking to improve the site, but I felt that this needed mentioning.
With the filter turn on, sure, Google blocks certain words. Like "porn". You know what it doesn't filter out? A word like "penis". All the glorious and less-than-glorious photos of all the human dicks you could want. As an added bonus, they even throw in some animal dicks while they're at it. You know, 'cause SafeSearch.
But what if you don't go looking for penises? Well, Google has you covered with innocent search terms as well. Wanna search for "human"? We've got dicks and vulvas for you. How about "snake"? Have some actual soft vore. For the grittier people out there, search for "hyena" or "lion" and you get animals that have been torn apart. All search terms that furries (or even people in general) are somewhat likely to search for, and all of which show content prohibited by FA's rules even WITH SafeSearch filter on. Now, I'd love to provide you with proof of this, but I'd be breaking their rules.
And speaking of Google and their content filter. What about Wikipedia? They have photos of penises and all sorts of other unpleasant things, NONE of which is hidden behind any warning pages, NONE of which requires you to be 18+ to watch. NONE of which even requires you to have an account. Give someone a link to any article that features the word "human" anywhere and they are exactly one click away from full frontal nudity of both sexes. Again, no warnings, no filter, no signup required. I still won't link you to the page for obvious reasons, but I think you'll be able to find it on your own.
But I was wondering about that as well. It also makes it sound like a user couldn't link to their NSFW Tumblr or Twitter account, their gallery on certain art sites like deviantART, etc. Maybe not at all, considering the page could show real human nudity or other prohibited content right there, from (re)tweets, reblogs, favorites.
What if their gallery contained some uploads of such FA-prohibited content, too? I've known some like to let FA users know they also have an Inkbunny, Pixiv, or deviantART account, etc. with links on their profile page, or in image descriptions or the like.
A strict reading of "Do not post links to content that is prohibited by any of Fur Affinity’s rules" makes it sound like one wouldn't be able to, say, link to any gameplay screenshots, videos, trailers, movie trailers, or official music video uploads, for that matter. All content not made by the user.
It's just, as it's worded, it sounds really strict.
Most those sites got own mean to filter access.. plus, instead, FA devs may offer way to conceal\warn about NSFW links (for registered memebers only) like some phpBB forums do.
FA is simply trying to cover their asses in the case of lawsuits, i.e. they're just stating the same rules that every other website technically has to follow, regardless of if they've listed those rules.
So no, FA isn't being like Putin at all.
I also kind of like "This includes links to [...] content in public (journals, profiles) or General Rated (AUP 1.1) areas that leads to Mature/Adult Rated material that is not behind a warning splash page." because there is no way to get a splash page to a lot of things, so that is right out too.
Waaait. As that's written, this basically means someone can't leave a shout or journal comment linking to a mature/adult picture on FA, unless you can make your own warning splash page to bounce off of...
We really need mature/adult journals and profiles.
I mean, it doesn't have an exception listed for if you're logged into FA and have set your account to view mature/adult art. It's still a link in a public area leading to mature art without a warning splash page. Likewise for links to deviantArt, or other sites. If you're signed in and set up for it, you see adult art without any warning in between. Um.
Or does the act of having logged in and set yourself up to view such art count as it having a warning splash page (once, a long time ago)? I can't even remember what some sites do, really.. but eh. We still could use more than general-rated journals and profiles.
Thank god my mouse has a hyperscroll feature.
what are you doing here?!
HOORAY!!! Sub-par CG!!! *Cheers!*
just wondering, do you personally write for fender, or do multiple people take turns?
You might wanna clear this up a bit
I'm only asking because I will often upload convention photos on the weekends and the timing of when I can do the uploads on each day is not always the same.
For instance, if I were to upload 6 images at 11 AM on Saturday morning, and then the next day, at say 9 AM on Sunday Morning, I was to upload another 6 images, would that be considered as more than 10 in a 24-hour period.
I have no problem if it is and am not looking for ways around it. I just want to be sure, so that I can plan to not do that.
I just like to be sure about these things, as I hate being the victim of individual interpretations.
4.1 - Screenshots of applications, games (e.g. GMod, Second Life, Minecraft), movies or websites that do not showcase new, original, user-created content are prohibited. The use of in-game resources, such as blocks or purchased parts, to create the aforementioned content is permitted.
I used to do retexture work for a videogame call War Thunder - editing and creating entirely new textures for aircraft in-game that featured the fursonas and fanart of users that had requested to be featured in such a way. Is this acceptable under the new AUP? The wording would lead me to believe it is as what I was creating was entirely new and unique content.
I ask, because I had every single piece of retexture work removed from my gallery due to it not being user created *enough* for the old AUP. According to the admin I spoke with at the time, the screenshots weren't allowed because I had only created the textures, not the models, UI, backgrounds, game engine, etc.
Under this updated AUP would such work be acceptable? And would there be some kind of guideline for admins to stop them immediately deleting work without at the very least checking the descriptions to ascertain if they were user created?
2. right-click said offensive icon
3. block that specific image.
Done.
I've been filing TTs for every icon I see like that but by the time the admins get to them the icons have usually changed anyways, so I gave up.
I am not going to change my computer settings just because other people want to see a bunch of bouncing tits on someone's profile.
Sorry but there are young users here that shouldn't be seeing that shit.
Pissy users getting annoyed at tiny little icon images, which there is an account setting to disable but they're too lazy to bother toggling it so instead they call the admins lazy: not a big deal.
They tend to deal with tickets in an order that makes sense, rather than in the order they receive them. They also tend to do them in batches, because they're human.
The journal thing is fine, im tired of receiving tons of journals of artists sharing shit nobody cares about such as the movie they just watched, but the submissiin limit is gonna damage the site.
Is there any chance we can move the submission limit up to 15? That should fix it.
So why not change the flooding rule to be 10+ submissions in a hour and 50+ in a 24 hour period?
I request to be transferred ownership of the abandoned group
If FA wishes to cap new journals and submissions make it fair and even - 10 journals and 10 submissions per 24 hour period. The most journals that I recall making in any 24 hours period is 8. All of these journals were unique topics ranging from what is going on in my life, art status, to asking for feedback, sharing a gorgeously well made animation youtube video, etc.
I also would like to know the answer to
So in other words, at a local zoo an FA user snapped a photo of a trained seal preforming and being feed bait fish as a reward this would not be allowed to be posted?
It is still technically an animal feeding on another animal without the usual elements of gore or blood.
The rest of us: Meh...its nature. Why make a huge deal out of it?
*nods*
"You can walk outside and see things eat other living things all the time" Then why do I need to see any of that on FA?
Oddly enough; the same thing could pretty easily be said about your apparent fascination with diapers.
Neither one is my thing, but that's probably what gives me the perspective necessary to objectively inform you that, if your want your strange bullshit to go judged, you'd better be prepared to extend that same courtesy to everyone else.
The characters depicted, no matter how oddly dressed they may be are still furry / anthro characters.
Cool. I'll be sure to let everyone who you've made disparaging remarks toward that [i]"it's not fucking weird when it's under 5%"[/i.
Don't want to be judged based on objectively harmless nonsense? Then don't judge others on the same, regardless of what it happens to be.
It really is as simple as that.
I wasn't defending whether it's weird or not. I'm already aware people may find the content weird.
I've seen / heard enough about animals feeding on others in my life and would just like FA to be a safe place away from that.
I like to think FA's focus is anthro / furry work which of course are fictional critters.
People get grossed out by it and most people don't consider it anthro art. That being said there is a lot of art here that isn't anthro so I think it should be allowed as long as it's in the correct category(mature or adult). I think it's more of a "it's graphic and not really art" thing more than a "hate on them for liking x" thing?
It is a little out of place, but I feel animal photography on this site is also a little out of place. I'm not going to say it shouldn't be allowed here at all ... I do find it true that people do get grossed out about gay art and gays being on this website,for those who are grossed out by that stuff. But it's art too. So, eh.. I'm not sure if it's classified as mature, only because animals eating fish is kid friendly but people consider snakes eating not kid friendly, but in a philosophy sense, it's the same thing. Dunno! It's the viewer who decides whether its distasteful.
I mostly am in agreement towards the rule while pondering about it now, the only part i'm not totally in agreement is when someone accidentally submits art or photography showing mother nature without thinking it's against the rules and being in trouble for it. XD it's pretty easy to avoid uploading however, even as a photographer, that type of subject is pretty weird and odd and most photography shouldn't focus around..... ... Gory stuff? XD
Just to be on the safe side, would Artwork done on the Forza2-5 (a racing game for the xbox) count? Granted the car models are made by turn 10, but the vinyl work is 100% done by me. I've been doing it for a while and I've been curious whether it's allowed or not. (Check my scraps for examples*) x.x
WHA...?
Can somebody go and get that fucking leopard out of the freezer NOW PLEASE?
We could have saved all that ice-cream from defrosting on the counter if somebody had told me earlier.
FA owes me 4 boxes of fucking mint chocolate Corneto's now!!!!
Damnit Fox, you're too funny for your own good!
I'm not protesting the rules change (I don't want to be banned), but come on. Every day you crack down further and further.
I've sent like a million e-mails(like the knowledge bases says to) and have submitted about the same amount in tickets to try an obtain one and received no answers.
The account I'm after doesn't not belong to anyone who is deceased either.
I have been trying for over a year now to get someones attention to obtain it v_v
It doesn't really bother me, but shouldn't "him" be "them" instead? Because I think having it gender neutral would sound a tad bit better.
If it's been a year, another week or so won't hurt to get a reply or not regarding the account holder. People here have worked to create an identity, usually. It's not just a message board.
Courtesy goes a long way towards good public relations. I can understand recycling the banned troll accounts without notification, but valid users deserve a chance to say "I'm still interested in being part of the site and community! Leave my account be please."
So I have a question. When you say "submission" do you mean 10 in total both I. your gallery and scraps in a 24 hour period? I know for me I draw icons so what I usually do is post the smaller useable icon in my scraps and the bigger one that I made in my gallery for others to see the animation in it's full size.
First actual website update we've had in years, and it'll probably be the last for many more.
What if you have no submissions uploaded (like maybe you're not an artist or writer, more of a lurker), but you have a buncha faves? Is that account considered "devoid of content" and is it up to be wiped?
What if you have neither submissions or faves, but you use the account to comment only, or to only send notes (I know of a LOT of people like this; they are more extreme lurkers/"anonymous" people who don't want ANYONE to know of things like their secret fetish, and only contact artists through completely blank-looking accounts. They usually like commissions to be marked "private", etc.)? Is that account considered devoid of content/unestablished?
It just seems like FA is trying to make this more complicated than it seems. Why not just write that any account devoid of ANY activity (commenting, noting, faving, logging in, etc.) can be up for grabs after a certain period of time, like Weasyl? The "unestablished/devoid of account" thing just seems like it's just waiting to be abused, and knowing how...less-than-savory the admins are on this site, I can see it being used completely subjectively/to the whims of whoever's being asked (as there are absolutely no guidelines as to what constitutes being "unestablished), and I can see some head-turning especially for more popular furs or friends/schmoozers of the admins.
Look for my comments above why I think it is a bad idea.
And wow, that's worse than the Insanejournal debacle. :/ At least they warned you and sent out an email to the user that your account was going to be deleted and gave you a chance to respond. That's just some bullshit right there.
I hope FA will reconsider this downright stupid and horrible decision. If the site wasn't so ass-broken, it would probably be super easy to contact the user via email, just like DeviantART or any of the [X]journal sites when an admin or mod contacts you.
And as far as I knew I didnt even get an email about this new procedure in the first place! I dont know if FA sends out emails, but they definitely should in this case but even then theres not a real guarantee that they'll see it. :c
Even if the people never get the email, I still think it's definitely better safe than sorry! :D The fact that FA isn't doing this at all really rubs me the wrong way. I guess I just better hope that I have screennames that no one in their right mind would want, and keep the passwords and shit to all of them so they won't get transferred/wiped. :/
Still don't know how they're going to treat accounts that have "bad history" on them, like those who were infamous trolls or policy violators such as scammers, stalkers, morally uncouth, etc.. Just seems like a stupid idea. The sparkledogs and animu/Tumblr chicks just need to grow a pair and learn that everything isn't entitled to them; it's not going to kill them to have an alternative name. They think they're so creative: why don't they think of another one? :C
a.) Are renders (still?) considered "screenshots"?
b.) Would partially custom content (altered models, retextures, etc.) count for user created content?
c.) If the render/screenshot is Photoshopped, would it then be allowed if its original, unaltered version would not be?
d.) Does the "new" portion of the rule mean that "original, user-created content" used in a previous submission would no longer be considered "new," and thus not allowed, if used in future submissions?
Does this mean I have to cite characters when doing fanart?
sure, fix a buncha shit, make A FEW people happy
but with all this fixing, im surprised you arent fixing YOUR ADMINISTRATION
i mean seriously
FIX IT DUDE
FIX
IT
DUDE
because honestly, the background (as heard from the grapevine) of some of your admins/mods sucks massive ass.
rape
RAPE?!
YOU'RE SERIOUSLY LETTING THAT TELL PEOPLE WHAT TO DO?
you're fucked up bro.....
fucked
up
Good job.
We can't explain things like The Doctor and say "timey-wimey" and that explains EVERYTHING.
Not sure any of this affects my own stuff. I'll have to double-check the scraps section.
Seriously, it kinda sucks when people report people breaking the ToS and even art theft but tickets start to sit for a month or more.
I like to interact with my watchers as much as possible, and journals are kinda the only way to get their attention,
other than submissions. I think the 10 submissions a day is good, but if you're a photographer, I wouldn't like it.
I just don't know how you'd handle it, there's so many artists types that all their needs are completely different.
And just out of curiosity when does the banner usually change, like nearing september?
i just feel like ive been looking at this one since Jan xD
Does this mean absolutely any mention of a personal experience will be punished? e.g. "I was offline because my ISP flagged me for downloading some show", "I was high when I drew this", and so on.
And with the increase of commissions I've been getting done, I usually like to post a batch all together. So I feel this is rather inconvenient, especially to someone who likes to be organized.
Are the bulges of male ballet dancers considered obscene as well?
Yeah...about that.
Or 3 admins.
Or just more admins in general.
But just by answering questions it puts a better light to FA, in my eyes at least.
ESPECIALLY the questions where a bunch of people respond to that person saying they'd like to know an answer as well.
Or a whole new news journal addressing the big questions. SOMETHING like that. D:
Also my friend mentioned it would be easier if the admins had some mark to their username to know they are admins without having to click on their link. I agree with that.
You make Riot games player behavior look super-efficient.
http://io9.com/5933976/are-fan-fict.....-fan-art-legal (Lots of text, if you're up for a good read)
http://techgnotic.deviantart.com/jo.....-Law-326536193 (tl;dr text, and an awesome video, if you wanna lay back and enjoy the show)
Hope that helps though. c:
http://www.sofurry.com/view/723103
It's why a lot of sites tend to prefer DMCA takedown requests, as opposed to third-party or informal reports. It's rather difficult to ascertain whether the use by the poster is authorized either by the copyright holder, their representative, or the law. And it's not worth it, and sometimes risky (as you stated in your journal) for sites to take action without getting feedback from the copyright holder directly.
And it's why I'm kinda concerned how... oddly, a lot of furry sites tend to have weird rules when it comes to copyrights. Like, the "by you for you" policy is great in theory, but it kinda breaks down when you take into account content used with permission (i.e stock images) or content posted to a group account (which would fall under the "permission" category). Plus the definition of fair use in the current AUP isn't exactly correct...
cant you please post this on a separate locked page with a REALLY BIG worded link to another page such as this?
this is the main reasons why i really even bother to click your announcement links at the top of the site.
well you said you listen to feedback. so thats my request and feedback about this
So basically you fuck up once and you can immediately end up with a perma ban.
Because this wont cause problems.
I would reconsider this, because I have had custom 3d content/art that ive made myself get flagged and removed before, along with getting a strike for it wich was eventually overturned. With that rule in place ((and no offense with how utterly slow it is to get any responses)) your going to end up banning a ton of people, increasing your already massive workload, and end up causing a stupid furry drama fire. You have a strike system for a reason, to give users a chance and learn from a mistake, and protect users from overzealous admins, everyone has a bad day even you guys, and you cant tell me someone isnt going to loose there patience and escalate it to the 7th level. Understandably it is your site. But this is a bad idea.
What that means is that if someone is an absolute shit or harasses someone they have the ability to nerf them without having to go through a process that might give that person time to do even more harm. It's up to the admins discretion. It doesn't necessarily mean it's going to be abused. The fact is that if it's going to get abused it doesn't matter how well worded it is it'll get abused. We just have to hope it's not.
Fight me I dare you
I'll fight you, but through a proxy who can actually fight.
"Rename"? Last I heard, renaming accounts where impossible. Has this changed finally, and is a user allowed to so they no longer need to create a new account to change their name?
I think a few issues could occur with the 10 submissions limit. This could be something implemented on accounts under 3 months old, then after that a 25 per 24 hour limit could be in place for gallery work and a 50 limit for scraps (this means only followers will see the scraps)
Thus allow watchers to view all an artists/photographers work and for artists to still have enough submissions passing through the browse to allow them to gain watchers. It would take a bit of coding to set up but it would help elevate multiple issues from both sides.
That's good that you are being economic with abandoned accounts. That should free up much needed resources for other better FA usage.
Though I know you won't, because nobody donates anymore and you can't afford to turn down any income at all.
Smh, smh
I'm not sure of the rules on advertising/regarding the banners, but I swear to God a banner keeps popping up for me that has a character on it with fucking cum all over her face. Blatant white there-is-no-way-that-ISN'T-semen cum facial. :S
I usually don't mind the adult ads because it's usually just some sultry looks and orgasm drooling "fucked silly" faces, but I draw the line at seeing explicit pornography/bodily fluids. I'm not sure if the person who OKs the ads was sleeping on his keyboard that day, but damn.
People make their own characters off of nature and objects they see, and that includes picture they see form others. We like what someone elses character looks like, we copy it, then we mold it to make it more like us, but some people really connect with some major features of some characters, so they stick with it and run the (in my mind) unfair risk of being called out for having a "look-a-like" character.
Every character should be unique, but that shouldn't just be limited to looks. Personality and how the character is used should also be factored into what makes a character unique.
My dogs look similar and at first glance people can't tell them apart. They ARE different. One is darker than the other, one has a white stripe on his chest (now expanding due to old age and stress) and they have different nail colors and one is more stocky than the other, but only slightly because the other is slightly fat.) So they do share many characteristics (being form the same litter and all) but they are both unique in personality and style of life. One is lazy and loves to sleep. He is calm and collected, the other is rowdy and always moving but extremely nervous and scared of everything. (He needs cuddles almost all the time or something to distract him.)
My friend is a twin, he looks almost exactly like his brother (being identical twins), but they are still unique. They both have their own life and their own personalities. One is chef, the other is a geologist. One has a deeper voice than the other. And it's only till you get to know them can you tell them apart. BUT they are still unique! That's what I'm trying to get at. they look almost exactly alike....but they can still be their own person.
I guess my whole problem the the whole "rule against uploading characters "derived" from other unique characters." is that no matter what, some one can have a character derived off another due to the fact that we all pull ideas form the same earth and universe though our lives differ in so many ways and we all have our own mind. We are all still connected by this solid mass below us, and whether we like it or not, we are all capable of sharing the same ideas. Just the people who get it out first are the ones credited for "actually thinking it up first".
And this seems to hit at the whole "your wolf looks just like my fox. It's hair is the same, the only difference is the eyes and the size of the tail and how he acts" bs. The character is who you want them to be, and with such a vast world out there, it can happen that two characters share similarities with minor alterations.
I guess it just annoys me this pointless fight on character individuality is. I want people to create their own characters, but I also want to see what the inspired can create from an existing character to make it their own....
I'll stop ranting now....bottom line character theft is bad, if you do it, at least give it your own twist to make it your own and give it your own personality. I get tired of seeing people try and copyright white or black wolves because they created them and scaring people form making a white or black wolf character. (it happened to me for a long time, till I said F*** it! I make the characters I want.)
People want you to have your own creativity, then if you do it wrong they try to make you do it their way, and when you do, you are "copying" them or someone else.
NOTE: these are all extreme cases that annoy me. By no means am I saying EVERYONE is like this. Because they're NOT. This is just stupid stuff I have seen over the years. END NOTE!
Generic pose is generic. Standing pose is copyright in pictures, so if you use that pose then you have stolen the picture....If you use a how to draw the book, you get yelled at for copying the art that they told you to copy and when you try and use that pose to make your own creation you get yelled at for stealing. You learn somewhere, you have to start somewhere. Sometimes tracing and copying poses are a start to that. Hell, I traced a shit ton when I was young, I did't claim anything as mine, and I didn't post stuff I traced.
And then there's the whole bland character vs over the top "unique" character. People want you to create your own character with their own looks...then they yell at you for giving wolves blue eyes, sparkle dog colors, and other non-natural looks. It's like people with characters can't win...you are either boring or over the top obnoxious with the details. both time while copying someone else character. I'm pretty sure my characters are copping off of someone else's. If I could, I would take the time to name all the people and character that inspired me for each of my own characters, but that would bore the hell out of people and take too long. XD
Done rant.
I senses a Facebook feel going on here.
If the administration and it's stuff is worried about spam or slow site due to it. Get a new better and more efficient OS for Fur affinity run on, and new Forum coding would be ideal. Hell better hardware, networking and Raid drivers would fix the issues. Just typing this is slow and and takes time to catch up with me at times.
I'm just adding my two bucks for shits.
I do believe that is broken to some good part. When you tick the boxes, they don't work when you search the browse, still has all the content of each filter type.
3.5 - Photography depicting nudity, (exposed buttocks, breasts, bulges, and outlines of genitalia - human or animal, etc.) or indecently-clothed models (undergarments, diapers, lingerie) is prohibited. Exceptions may be made for swimsuits worn in public locations, such as a pool or beach, and undergarments on top of clothed models.
Really? so bulges or outlines of genetalia are nudity now and banned, not just to be marked mature or adult? This just seems like an overly strict policy, and for what reason?
It would make sense to have the bulges and outlines need to be marked adult, but banning them? How is seeing a bulge of some dude wearing say, undies or such, so terrible for people's eyes?
And "everyone" hates models that can actually wear sexy, yet not too revealing clothing that may show what they have down there.
But seriously, updating the policies every week-and-a-half just to make them stricter makes about as much sense as http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f8ljnIMFQ7Y#t=104 :B
(and although I didn't want to, yes; i came back to FA- but only for my friends here)
Is my ID legal? or should I change it?
I uploaded long time ago but I could change it if need it
http://www.furaffinity.net/view/12233569/
Take care!
Not only that, but I think the flood rule is just..silly. Pretty much my comment on that has been said in the comments above mine..just..no.
Make sure your dog is wearing pants.
I would assume the majority of fursuit pictures would be excluded from this though? Like, I understand it's not for bulges and visible genitalia, that's reasonable. But what of fursuits that wear undergarments/diapers/lingerie? Is that included or excluded in the rule. Cause... there's a lot
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