I want to live in the forests of New Mexico, write, farm, and hunt.

I don't know about all that job business.

But schools love to take your money however they can. Like activity fees for antisocial people.

yeah....I would be less annoyed as an undergrad but like, I fucking work there I don't need to pay for the goddamn rec center and other shit.

Michigan is a strike-state, right? Get together with the other work study people and anyone willing to protest anything.

I'd imagine it is due to the collapse and exodus of millions of Michiganers across the rust curtain to south of Mason-Dixon, like crossing the Berlin Wall as they are shunned by the state they go from in search of a new land of opportunity.

Wow, that is insane. And they just hit you with this?

p.much. I mean enrollment fees are a thing but it basically doubled from last semester

They gave you an explaination or something? Almost makes me glad I went Marine Corps instead of college. It's like they have a set program to screw aspiring teachers and professors.

*fees are subject to change blah blah blah legal shit

Is what all fee things always say. so, nooope.

apparently the dear union this year is in negotiations for better pay and getting fees covered as well, so yay, but it's not helpful for me personally.

One of the reasons I opted not to go to grad school. I was tired of paying someone else to learn something. I wanted someone to pay me.

I've been a fool and beginning to wonder if I wasted two years of my life

Now, I wouldn't say that. Are you no longer interested in a Ph.D?

Not particularly. I don't have faith academia will turn around soon enough.

Grad market is oversaturated, and in Philosophy the current prospects for jobs is, if you want a job you need to be in the top 10. After that it's about 50/50, after top 30 it's a crap shoot.
All the while grad students are paid a pittance and used for cheap labor, which lessens the need for positions anyway.

I dunno if I want to bank on 7 more years in school living on a college wage just to graduate and maybe get a tenure job or end up in adjunct hell forever.

Eh, get a decent job and write the next Harry Potter series. You have the imagination for it and the writing skills. But that's just my opinion.

A very valid concern. I've always been dubious of the rate of returns on degrees, especially those not directly classified by "...of Science" or STEM as they like to call it. Even for someone with a STEM degree the likelihood of career related employment is lower than one would expect. I can only imagine for non-STEM that outlooks are less optimistic. Not to say there is really anything inherently bad about non-STEM. The prospect itself is terrifying.

Myself, I was deeply adverse to doing another 2 or 4 years of university. I was unwilling to spend even more money, I was tired of school itself, I was concerned with the narrowing of scope in employment with the achievement of a nuclear physics Ph.D, and I was beginning to find the poor college lifestyle unbearable. Admittedly, I could have increased my expected starting salary quite a bit, but I would be just now entering the work force and likely doing low-income post-doc work until I was a proven Nuclear Physicist (for lab work at least)... otherwise being a highly-overqualified-engineer. Not worth the investment, by my analysis.

I urge you to do a risk assessment on the returns of acquiring said degree versus the expected costs including more than just money. Also, look into your automated PayPal notifications for your supplied account email. Furthermore, alternative jobs in creative fields where degrees are totally meaningless.

Or you could move to a state with legal dispenseries and grow medi-pot. The average per pound is $3,000 which if you know what you are doing you can easily get from one to three plants. 10 pounds = 30,000 in three months. I'm saying this for states that -legally- allow this, mind you. I'm not saying lets form the FayV Midwest Cartel. I'd say think of it as a paying hobby.

Humanities has never been something where you tend to get a job in your "field", sort of I suppose. I could easily get ethics jobs after this if I tried, or if I wasn't so jaded as to become near complete nihilist, meh. Anyway point is they end up getting consulting gigs or writing or something, because apparently no one knows how to write in the private sector. so yay?

I was never bothered because my interest was a career in academia, working on cool ethics projects and all that sort of thing, but taking the long view, I dunno if it's worth it. Tbh I don't have to work in academia to do that. I mean I couldn't run tests myself on sociopaths, but I can sit down and do research and write articles from home so meh.

I've been thinking it over, regardless I have decided not to apply till next year so I can bulk up my CV more. It'll give me a chance to apply out to other jobs and look into new career paths. At this point a 7 year investment is getting to be too much to bear, esp. since I could easily pick it up later in life if I really did feel like it would complete things for me.

So it shall be.

What job market is there for the overworked and under payed doctor of philosophy? Outside of academia?

Esoteric crimefighter that uses their vast knowledge of Voltaire and Niche to over whelm their adversaries?

Now that was funny!

"Secret agent FayV, furries of S.H.I.E.L.D."

* Nietzsche Mr. President :p

And that is why I learn how to blow things up for the Marines instead of college. ^.^

lol s'ok, took me fooooor ever to learn to spell his name.

Maybe we can add your name to their ranks one day when you discover the morality or lack there of of the things that are from the space between spaces.

That's something of the hot topic in the current field. Or at least warmed up from stone cold like it was before. In the past non-academic careers weren't really discussed so the info is...hazy about it. After all the info you have comes from profs, who are all entrenched in academia so they can't much offer solid alternatives.

I dunno too much, I haven't done too much research but,
pretty much anything that deals with writing. A lot of phil grads end up in government, business, etc. We're sticklers for detail, logical arguments, and writing critically so there's a lot that end up doing that.
Law is always a thing.
Research.
management.

A lot of phil grads end up in government, business, etc. We're sticklers for detail, logical arguments, and writing critically so there's a lot that end up doing that.
Law is always a thing.
Research.
management.

Makes sense when you enumerate it like that. Medical/research ethicist too, maybe?

Yeeeeeesh...