Your first line is just a churlish and grotesque description of Zionist Christians and does not even constitute a meaningful argument.

Your second line is a slander against Christians by calling the Nazi movement Christian which is absurd. There is no evidence for such a claim and a great deal of evidence that contradicts it. Hitler hated Christianity, calling it the Jewish lie and made other various criticism and he had hundreds of thousands of Polish Catholics slaughtered. And please don't site to me the "Gott mit uns" belt buckles the SS officers wore which did not originate with the Nazis but were a carry over from the Prussian army. Nazism was centered around a occult obsession with the Norse gods. If there was any religious motivation behind it, it was pagan not Christian.

Christians largely changed how they subjugated nonbelievers after the Protestant Reformation which was about 500 years ago. One of the things about the Protestant Reformation which changed Christianity for the better was that the common was allowed to read the Bible for him or herself instead of being subject to the ignorant and distorted teachings of corrupt clergyman. It was by going back to the Bible which affirms the universal value of human life and condemns unjust violence in all forms that allowed Christianity to move back towards its proper moral roots.

The New Testament makes no such implication that Christians are the true heirs of the land of Israel. The New Testament says that Christians are inherit the kingdom of heaven which is effectively the new Israel. Christians will inherit God's salvation and true kingdom which will eventually become the new Israel or promised land. Your statement represents a gross misunderstanding of New Testament theology. Moreover, the claim to the land of Israel it not primarily religious. Religion plays a part in it but you may not be aware of the fact that Israel was once a sovereign nation in history and that the Jewish people have a genuine historic claim to that area of the world in contrast to the Palestinians which is a fabricated identity without any historical basis. There never has been a nation of Palestine. Not to mention that well before Israel became a state in 1948, there was always a substantial Jewish population in the area.

I have not been tricked into supporting Jews. I don't really care that most of them don't accept Christ. I support them primarily because their cause is just. The peacefully established their country by buying land from farmers in the area and only seek to live in peace and defend their country from daily terrorism and violence perpetrated by people who have openly expressed an intent to commit genocide against the Jews.

You say you don't have a problem with Jews but then go on to make a statement about Israel that is so absurd and stupid that it can only be explained by either ignorance and brainwashing or antisemitism. For you to defend an organization like Hamas, who has been declared a terrorist organization by the US, UN, and EU, who uses civilians as human shields, who dig tunnels into Israel to send suicide bombers and kidnappers through, who plant rockets and weapons in hospitals, schools, and other civilian areas, who blow up waterparks because they allow women to be in bikinis, and who strap bombs to donkeys and dogs, is downright depraved and deplorable.

Oh, btw, you might want to check out  Akhetnu 's journals. He strongly defends Israel and is a highly intelligent atheist. It's not just us "slobbering Christians" who defend Israel.

Neither side is "good" nor should either side be defended both kill innocent civilians for reasons including for political pull, religious beliefs, land forcefully taken. Which has caused a lot back and forth which isn't going to end anytime soon. The area has been fought after for religious beliefs for many thousands of years and thats not going to change.

wow cool you basicly said everything and anything i would have said myself, good on you dude.

Admittedly I have to side with you on this one... and if you knew my history with Christians you'd know that's actually really saying something... To keep from causing a fuss I won't go into details but I do have my reasons. While I'm not a fan of Christianity I do admire and respect reason, and you've definitely showed a level of levelheadedness and logic that really does your people proud. ^w^

Admittedly I'm saving my own opinions on this topic, however, as I don't see the point in arguing religion. I just wanted to say I was impressed by your comment. :3

*Shakes my head* I figured you were more intelligent then this but so be it.

I studied world religions, including Christian mythology. He knows his stuff.

Admittedly the way he phrases some things makes me worry he's misunderstood some parts of history, but his knowledge on Christianity is quite accurate. Also, I do have to admit that you've really jumped to some conclusions here without explaining your logical process... Maybe if you could back up your argument with something more solid I'd be more inclined to at least understand where you're coming from on this one. When it comes down to it though, your argument is very... unsupported and doesn't have a good framework. This gentleman has given a surprisingly well-structured counter-argument.

I have too as I was reading the New Testament where I found the implications.

Pay attention to the area and do some research. There has only been one lucky hit with a rocket (Clay bottle rockets in essence) the rest was property damage. (I saw that on the Israeli News) There hasn't been a suicide bomber from Palestine in over a decade at the least.

If you wish for sources well they've been mostly censored by now but I'll find some. Max Bloomberg/burg a Jewish man you can find on Twitter has a coin from Nazi Germany that says "To Palestine we March" with the star of David on it as well.

Also really? He said Hitler wasn't a Christian? That's either a no-true Scotsmen fallacy or he read one too many conspiracies.

I dont' understand the importance of Hitler being Christian, honestly, there's good folks and bad folks in all groups. It's true Christians do have a seedy underside, but most religions have that... it's the people mainly. *sighs* Even atheists and humanists have done horrid things in the past. To judge a whole by the individual is just as logically broken as judging the individual as a whole. :3

And so what if Bloomburg had that coin? I have a pre WWII Japanese officer's saber... and you don't see me supporting what happened at Nanking... quite the opposite. I'm one of the people who wishes they'd take down the Japanese war shrine, it's shameful.

Just the fact he thought he was doing the will of God. not Odin as he implies.

It is certified made before the concentration camps. Shows that Germany just wanted the Jews out.
Bloomberg I doubt wanted the Holocaust to happen as well but I think he may think otherwise with what Israel is doing now.

As for the War Memorial well despite what they did they were still country men and should be remembered as such. Removing history removes identity and then you have nothing.

I think the Norse influence was more Himmler's thing. Those who follow the Norse don't butcher hapless innocents, however, they try to seek their glory on the battlefield against worthy foes. So even if Himmler was following the Aesir, he was a very, very poor follower.

A small secret is that most wars, even 'religious' ones are rarely founded due to religious purposes. The crusades started as Byzantium appealing to the pope to help him get the invading Turks out of Byzantium. Religion is... however, one hell of a good motivator to get people to fight and die for you with extreme furvor. Even Bin Laden's cause was political, he just had poor, uneducated Muslims die for his 'holy cause' because it's a lot better than "let's kill Americans to get them out of Saudi Arabia". Of course, they'll say otherwise, but it's quite clear to me why he did what he did.

You say that... but the war shrine is like if America erected a memorial to honor the Trail of Tears. Such a bitter and shameful blight to their honor standing for everyone to see. The war shrine supposedly houses the men who fought at Nanking as well... if you could still call them men. *shakes head* The insanity of what happened during that massacre should never be forgotten... but it should also never be taken with pride. The horrors that occurred there still shake me to the core. You can look it up if you like, there's some good documentaries on it. I've seen far too much of it already.

Japan's culture and history has enough depth that to lose that shrine there'd still be so much culture that one could still get hopelessly lost in it, they can afford to lose that shrine.

Himmler was also devout Catholic, the use of runes and related symbolism was because it was national history it boasted the fact it was their homeland these runes were their ancestry. And the idiots that call Runes hate speech... intellectually stunted mongrels.

True true but Japan and China hate each other immensely that they believe the other to be lesser. So at a National pride stance they could be proud or not but never dishonor them. Americans are taught (or at least here) that our ancestors were the bane of humanity and evil to the core which is ridiculous.

Shrine could be used as remembrance to never do that again much like those Holocaust museums.

You imply a lot.

Israel has no scientific evidence only a land called Judea which was not wholly Jewish as there were Hittites, Cannanites, etc.

Palestine however does have historical evidence but the territory has been under the Ottoman Empire for a while.

Your information is as you say "grossly misleading" as you haven't kept up on current events.

I dislike anyone who supports bombings of hospitals and schools on no evidence while killing many non-combatants. It is little short of a genocide being committed.

Sorry for an ad hom but you are truly an idiot to believe Adolf was anti-christian. He plainly states it in his book that he was Catholic any "anti-christian" veiws were probably aimed at protestants and that occult shit is hilarious tin foil hat.

As to attack my intelligence as such is hilarious coming from someone who has his head up his ass your propaganda shit is already old.

I don't support Muslims as anyone whoever knows me could testify but as a greater of two evils Hamas or Israel? Israel is a bigger evil undoubtedly as they threatened to nuke their border in the Six Day War and their unwarranted violence against non-combatants, aid workers, and news reporters.

The antisemitism is a nice buzzword by the way gets everyone nice scared like racist. Funny though that a lot of Palestinians by definition are also Semitic.

A dick measuring contest on who is worse? Really? Tungsten bombs, cluster bombs, killing international citizens, killing civilians, bombing of non-military buildings hospitals, schools, cafés. Need I go on?

If it were a fair fight I wouldn't care but how Israel commits war is beyond disgusting.

As for New testament well the Catholics evidently interpreted it the way I said it seeing as they had Crusades for the holy land.

I do not wish to further argue with a uncivilized cretin.

there actually were reasons for the crusades beyond taking hold of the holy land, part of the reason was self profit rather than any sort of spiritual gain, just again, corrupt priests twisted things cause, back then you didn't even get to learn how to read unless you were a priest or royalty, so they could only go on word of mouth, , resulting in people who were in high religious places who shouldn't have been in them in the first place making use of this and persuading people into going to war for under the pretense of it being for a religious cause.

History of the Crusades https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X0z.....A2E52FB1EF80C9

oh, thanks i guess? XD

i'd say something but i don't think there's anything i can add to this that heavensteed didn't say already. i will say though that uhhh, a lot of people (not just you so don't worry bout it) seem to forget is the fault never lies in God or the religion itself, the fault lies in stupid and or corrupt priests for things like the inquisition and the crusades. in fact uhm, the thing about the inquisition is that it was mainly aimed not at people who didn't believe in christianity in general but at christians who professed any denomination other than roman catholic.

Also a disappointment but can't say I'm surprised.

What if you are wrong in your interpretation? I'm not saying go crusade but to blindly believe these actions are acceptable is inhumane.

As for the Inquisition this towns name summarizes it well. Castrillos Matajudios the town is changing its name but it still was named this.

oi see, and i never said i thought those actions were ok, but you're insisting they did it because they were christians, not that they did it because they were just horrible people who used religion as a justification.

They wanted the land out of greed and ambition but to also hold the land so that one day Jesus would return.

To the ones who not in power that was their purpose for being there even if mislead and they died thinking that were fighting for God even I find it cringe worthy that Christians now forsake their sacrifice and their memory they intended good yet turned sour as all things do.

it is pretty depressing in retrospect.

Let's ignore any religious aspects for a while, and think about strategic and political aspects.

Both parties have reasons to do what they do, even though it's obviously immoral. The Palestinians have their lack of freedom, and the Israeli have their civilian casualties from rocket attacks. However, I do not think this can be "won" with violence. There are two ways to stop the rocket attacks: kill all rebels/guerillas/terrorists (pick your preferred title for them), which isn't going to happen, or just give them what they want. The second one would obviously be a bit more complicated than that, but you get the idea.

Also note I'm partially Jewish myself.

I've only heard of one rocket killing a civilian.

Problem with "kill all the rebels" is how you define Hamas members as I've seen on Twitter it means boys/men from 8-40 years old.

Where's the logic in bombing a university? If there were tunnels with munitions why not send special forces to "surgically remove" the threats like the U.S does in Afghanistan? If we started using weapons banned by Geneva on non-combatants/civilians the whole world would shit a solid gold brick and would be called an atrocity.

Then you must've missed the other rockets, these attacks have been happening for years.

Like I said, that's not going to work.

I'm pretty sure they started doing so later. Or were going to, but didn't, not sure.

I know they've been happening for years. Israeli news a couple of years ago reported a man tripping on a "rocket" that was stuck in the sidewalk.

That's what they are doing.

What? use illegal weapons again?