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In N Out Update #3 A Solution
11 years ago
📼 𝐇𝐄𝐌𝐌𝐒𝐅𝐎𝐗 𝐒𝐓𝐔𝐃𝐈𝐎𝐒 📼
📼 𝐇𝐄𝐌𝐌𝐒𝐅𝐎𝐗 𝐒𝐓𝐔𝐃𝐈𝐎𝐒 📼
𝐒𝐓𝐔𝐃𝐈𝐎 𝐔𝐏𝐃𝐀𝐓𝐄
A few weeks ago negotiations with In N Out corporate fell through, but I didn't report it because I felt I didn't have anything good to report. My next step was obvious: Find a new place. I posted earlier about potential places, of which there were only two. I was hoping for community report as to what was preferred, but I got very little. regardless, Boba Local was the only sensible place. I played them a visit to discuss the possibility of us making it our new place, and just by chance happened to catch the owner of the place, a young guy named Steve who had recently bought the place from his uncle. He said business had slowed down since the change and openly welcomed us to come! I showed him pictures of In N Out to give him an idea of the size of our group and he was still excited and he loved the Fursuits!
I will of course be at the PS, and shall lead a trip to Boba Loca at 6PM and clear it by 8. Given how respectful we were at In N Out, I don't expect us to have any problems. I don't think he minds if we wears the heads inside either!
For those of you who don't know Boba is a brown ball of tapioca, and is put in drinks like iced teas and frappachinos. I've tried them here and I am very impressed.
I'm very happy to have done this for my Fandom. I hope this new relationship continues for a long time.
Please link and share this journal.
(Will add pictures when I am home.)
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update #2
Yesterday I made a trip up to the PS area and drove all over Trask, Brookhurst, Magnolia, and Garden Grove Blvd to look for a possible new venue for a mid-party trip. I'm sorry to say that the results were not very fruitful. The PS is in a heavily residential area, and In N Out is the only eatery within walking distance (or rather fursuited walking distance) that serves food, and is not a sit down restaurant, and ALSO has space to accommodate a large number of people and suiters. To get to a plaza with a plethera of choices we would have to walk a mile down Trask all the way to Brookhurst and then some, and still, with the exception of a Starbucks, there is no where with plenty of seating. That said Starbucks is all indoors.
Close to the corner of Trask and Brookhurst is a place called Rainbow Donuts . It's open 24 hours, and has SOME seating but not a lot. It is also a really far walk, and the person working the place did not seem too friendly.
Walking Distance
HOWEVER though I said there no restaurants I did find one place that is PERHAPS suitable. It is a place called Boba Loca , a smoothie place in the Korean part of town, and it is right at the corner of Gilbert and Garden Grove. It is open till Midnight all days on the week, and has both indoor and outdoor seating. Though I did not see any food on its menu the Boba is VERY well priced, and its outdoor seating area might work for suiters. But it doesn't have that much of it. It's in a very quiet strip plaza though, so us spilling into the parking lot will probably not be a big deal. It's right across the street from the police station though, so Furries leave your stupid shit at home, or at least in your car. Its about the same distance from PS as In n Out is, and there are no turns. Just walk up Gilbert toward Garden Grove.
Walking Distance
These are the only two feasable places within distance of the PS. There are plenty of Vietnamese tea houses down Brookhurst, since I frequent those often, I can tell you they are ALWAYS packed to the brim.
Depending on how my conversation with Ms. Maurice Caruso goes next week, as I am sure she will call, and if not I will call her, I will go to Boba Loca and inquire about the possibility of us migrating there during the party.
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Update: Over the past week Growly, akhetnu akhetnu , and sysable sysable have made a series of emails and phone calls to the In n Out in question, and to headquarters, and gotten nowhere. :icon Akhetnu: Only got to talk to the same district manager who kicked us out. I felt it appropriate to take the next step, and today made myself real and present by driving down to their corporate office in Irvine. At the front reception desk I was asked why I was there. I gave all the information nessisary, and after a few calls up to the floor of the office building which In n Out occupies a woman named Maurice Caruso, the director for public outreach came down to the lobby to talk with me. It was very cordial, and quite honestly, was more genuine than I expected. She knew -of- us, but not about us, and I had to fill her in on how we had been going to that In n Out for at least 4 years, and told her exactly what happened. She seemed quite surprised to hear how it was handled by the manager, and that there had been no previous attempt to contact us or to talk to us to reduce our numbers, or express concern. This leads me to believe there was a much greater disconnect between the corporate office and this district manager than I previously thought, and he may not have been acting under direction from the office at all.
Ms. Caruso seemed warmly open to conversation, and though of course she could not solve the problem then and there, she certainly did take seriously how a group who had made the overhead of that location was treated so disrespectfully.
I got someone to come down and see me, and that was more than I was expecting. There was talk of working on a comprimise between us and the In n Out, talk of letting the decision stand but offering us some kind of apologetic compensation, but really the most important thing is that the lines of communication are open, as I have her phone number, and she has mine.
I will keep this journal updated as to what happens, but I want to say that no matter what the outcome I am happy and proud to work this problem for our Fandom.
tomorrow I will be heading up to the PS area to scout for possible new locations for a PS eating venue, and shall update again afterwards.
Below is my original journal.
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It is not of my disposition to fan the flames of drama needlessly, but to incite discussion where the fruits of which may yeild significant progress. It is for this reason that I even discuss our abrupt and permanant removal from the In n Out at the corner of trask and magnolia by the district manager of the corporation upon his first visit in our -at least- 4 years of including a trip to In N Out in the Prancing Skiltaire furmeet.
This man, playing the part of the big kid on campus waving a compararively small stick, stood arms folded and assertive throughout his visit as he went person to person saying to us we are no longwr welcome, and even going so far as to insist we disclose the contents of our bags and coolers, which held nothing but water and gatorade for the fursuiters, but that he suspected might contain alchohol.
His reasons for our banishment, by which he insisted was a blanket banning of all "large groups" but whatever other large groups do patron this In n Out, I suspect this ban will not be enforced, are as lightweight as a feather and as flimsy as Styrofoam.
His reasons, not all of which I claim to have caught, center around the standard meaningless excuse common to any corporation: a halfhearted concern for public safety and full hearted concern for profits. He said to me of the fursuiters, that what if one were to fall from the brick foyer and injure himself? Less so his concern for our safety, and more for his budget for lawyers. I ask him, if this pathetic reason were the real reason then why wait 4 years onward to make it an issue, let alone show up to observe why this particular location made its overhead in one night.
His likely true motives he revealed, when commenting on our size, coupled with the usual blanket statements of fearing for accidents of other patrons, that his true worry was that we were driving away business, without so much as a thought given that we ARE the business. "What if a mother brought her children here and saw this. she would never want to bring her children here again!" he said, and it was in this statement that I thought I heard the air of accusation against us for our preceeding sexual reputation, but when questioned, of course denied was farthest from the truth with "Come on, do I seem like that kind of guy?"
Well you seem like a man who takes no interest in the goings on of his district, and upon your first visit to our visit proceed to deliver a command of bannishment, threatening police action if we are to return, and a man complacent in giving fake and thin reasons for our banishment when after -at least- four years of continued, timely, and reliable patronizing we are -at least- deserving of the real and full truth.
"I want people to come and eat their burgers and leave" And so I say let them. Let them shoot themselves in the foot, and see their profits drop. To fight to continue to go back there is a fight not worth having with a place so dissmissive of us after -at least- four years without so much as a "thank you for your service."
Rather I take Mark Merlino's stand on this. That no Furry ever go back to that In N Out again. But I ad a caveat that we should not roll over and let such disrespect be allowed, and that we flood the phones and emails on the corporation with complaints citing the points written here.
Our focus should be to find a new and more appreciative venue for our numbet, and I shall help to seem one out.
I will of course be at the PS, and shall lead a trip to Boba Loca at 6PM and clear it by 8. Given how respectful we were at In N Out, I don't expect us to have any problems. I don't think he minds if we wears the heads inside either!
For those of you who don't know Boba is a brown ball of tapioca, and is put in drinks like iced teas and frappachinos. I've tried them here and I am very impressed.
I'm very happy to have done this for my Fandom. I hope this new relationship continues for a long time.
Please link and share this journal.
(Will add pictures when I am home.)
_______________
update #2
Yesterday I made a trip up to the PS area and drove all over Trask, Brookhurst, Magnolia, and Garden Grove Blvd to look for a possible new venue for a mid-party trip. I'm sorry to say that the results were not very fruitful. The PS is in a heavily residential area, and In N Out is the only eatery within walking distance (or rather fursuited walking distance) that serves food, and is not a sit down restaurant, and ALSO has space to accommodate a large number of people and suiters. To get to a plaza with a plethera of choices we would have to walk a mile down Trask all the way to Brookhurst and then some, and still, with the exception of a Starbucks, there is no where with plenty of seating. That said Starbucks is all indoors.
Close to the corner of Trask and Brookhurst is a place called Rainbow Donuts . It's open 24 hours, and has SOME seating but not a lot. It is also a really far walk, and the person working the place did not seem too friendly.
Walking Distance
HOWEVER though I said there no restaurants I did find one place that is PERHAPS suitable. It is a place called Boba Loca , a smoothie place in the Korean part of town, and it is right at the corner of Gilbert and Garden Grove. It is open till Midnight all days on the week, and has both indoor and outdoor seating. Though I did not see any food on its menu the Boba is VERY well priced, and its outdoor seating area might work for suiters. But it doesn't have that much of it. It's in a very quiet strip plaza though, so us spilling into the parking lot will probably not be a big deal. It's right across the street from the police station though, so Furries leave your stupid shit at home, or at least in your car. Its about the same distance from PS as In n Out is, and there are no turns. Just walk up Gilbert toward Garden Grove.
Walking Distance
These are the only two feasable places within distance of the PS. There are plenty of Vietnamese tea houses down Brookhurst, since I frequent those often, I can tell you they are ALWAYS packed to the brim.
Depending on how my conversation with Ms. Maurice Caruso goes next week, as I am sure she will call, and if not I will call her, I will go to Boba Loca and inquire about the possibility of us migrating there during the party.
---
Update: Over the past week Growly, akhetnu akhetnu , and sysable sysable have made a series of emails and phone calls to the In n Out in question, and to headquarters, and gotten nowhere. :icon Akhetnu: Only got to talk to the same district manager who kicked us out. I felt it appropriate to take the next step, and today made myself real and present by driving down to their corporate office in Irvine. At the front reception desk I was asked why I was there. I gave all the information nessisary, and after a few calls up to the floor of the office building which In n Out occupies a woman named Maurice Caruso, the director for public outreach came down to the lobby to talk with me. It was very cordial, and quite honestly, was more genuine than I expected. She knew -of- us, but not about us, and I had to fill her in on how we had been going to that In n Out for at least 4 years, and told her exactly what happened. She seemed quite surprised to hear how it was handled by the manager, and that there had been no previous attempt to contact us or to talk to us to reduce our numbers, or express concern. This leads me to believe there was a much greater disconnect between the corporate office and this district manager than I previously thought, and he may not have been acting under direction from the office at all.
Ms. Caruso seemed warmly open to conversation, and though of course she could not solve the problem then and there, she certainly did take seriously how a group who had made the overhead of that location was treated so disrespectfully.
I got someone to come down and see me, and that was more than I was expecting. There was talk of working on a comprimise between us and the In n Out, talk of letting the decision stand but offering us some kind of apologetic compensation, but really the most important thing is that the lines of communication are open, as I have her phone number, and she has mine.
I will keep this journal updated as to what happens, but I want to say that no matter what the outcome I am happy and proud to work this problem for our Fandom.
tomorrow I will be heading up to the PS area to scout for possible new locations for a PS eating venue, and shall update again afterwards.
Below is my original journal.
---
It is not of my disposition to fan the flames of drama needlessly, but to incite discussion where the fruits of which may yeild significant progress. It is for this reason that I even discuss our abrupt and permanant removal from the In n Out at the corner of trask and magnolia by the district manager of the corporation upon his first visit in our -at least- 4 years of including a trip to In N Out in the Prancing Skiltaire furmeet.
This man, playing the part of the big kid on campus waving a compararively small stick, stood arms folded and assertive throughout his visit as he went person to person saying to us we are no longwr welcome, and even going so far as to insist we disclose the contents of our bags and coolers, which held nothing but water and gatorade for the fursuiters, but that he suspected might contain alchohol.
His reasons for our banishment, by which he insisted was a blanket banning of all "large groups" but whatever other large groups do patron this In n Out, I suspect this ban will not be enforced, are as lightweight as a feather and as flimsy as Styrofoam.
His reasons, not all of which I claim to have caught, center around the standard meaningless excuse common to any corporation: a halfhearted concern for public safety and full hearted concern for profits. He said to me of the fursuiters, that what if one were to fall from the brick foyer and injure himself? Less so his concern for our safety, and more for his budget for lawyers. I ask him, if this pathetic reason were the real reason then why wait 4 years onward to make it an issue, let alone show up to observe why this particular location made its overhead in one night.
His likely true motives he revealed, when commenting on our size, coupled with the usual blanket statements of fearing for accidents of other patrons, that his true worry was that we were driving away business, without so much as a thought given that we ARE the business. "What if a mother brought her children here and saw this. she would never want to bring her children here again!" he said, and it was in this statement that I thought I heard the air of accusation against us for our preceeding sexual reputation, but when questioned, of course denied was farthest from the truth with "Come on, do I seem like that kind of guy?"
Well you seem like a man who takes no interest in the goings on of his district, and upon your first visit to our visit proceed to deliver a command of bannishment, threatening police action if we are to return, and a man complacent in giving fake and thin reasons for our banishment when after -at least- four years of continued, timely, and reliable patronizing we are -at least- deserving of the real and full truth.
"I want people to come and eat their burgers and leave" And so I say let them. Let them shoot themselves in the foot, and see their profits drop. To fight to continue to go back there is a fight not worth having with a place so dissmissive of us after -at least- four years without so much as a "thank you for your service."
Rather I take Mark Merlino's stand on this. That no Furry ever go back to that In N Out again. But I ad a caveat that we should not roll over and let such disrespect be allowed, and that we flood the phones and emails on the corporation with complaints citing the points written here.
Our focus should be to find a new and more appreciative venue for our numbet, and I shall help to seem one out.
I think the Boba idea is good, I like some of those drinks which will hopefully keep us going until Norms. Do they have snacks too? There used to be this place when I lived off El Cajon Blvd. in San Diego that had the BEST Chinese food!!! And it was like $4 for a plate. That was a LONG time ago though.
This Chinese restaurant with the $1.50 menu, is it near the tea place?