I think it's supposed to be for people who want to be opinionated?? People just just want to avoid certain fetishes, ideologies, and other stuff like that.
The wording of that group name just makes them sound antagonistic unu

they sound like dicks but thats just by appearances, i dont actually know exactly what they're intolerant OF

I met some people who are 'less tolerant furs' and are assholes who think people who are suicidal 'wont actually do it' and 'just want attention'

so bassically those people were ignorant jackasses

Yea seems so, when I visited their group page in the past there were a lot of homophobes as well. I guess it's just like a badge saying "I'm most likely gonna judge and hate you for a terrible and superficial reason"

'i don't like opening my mind to concepts I myself do not understand or experience because that's easier and fashionable i guess' furs

There's actually a group about that? Wow.

yeah, there is 'tolerant furs' and a completely symmetrical 'less tolerant furs' with the same icon except the furs are shaking their heads??

I've seen the tolerant furs group around, but less tolerant furs? I agree with what densen1844 said about it possibly being about people who want to avoid certain things, but they really went about it in the wrong way >___> Especially with that name and icon >__________>

well i want to know if any less tolerant furs follow me, what they're less tolerant about specifically cuz im confused

Pfft, I don't blame you. I find it more than a bit confusing myself

That sounds very.....special.....

like us all ;U

From what I've seen they're all homophobic assholes that feel the need to click on images they don't like and complain about it. Kinda like purposely listening to music you hate on youtube and have the need to argue that it's horrible to everyone and that anyone who likes something they don't are stupid and need to die.

Oh good

I just read their thing. That's....not what freedom of speech is or how it works. At all

freedom of speech is being able to say shit and the government can't arrest you or silence you or kill you for it.

which sucks cuz some assholes could use some waterboarding for an attitude check

I wondered the same, seems like a bunch of people who want attention for being special snowflakes who go against the grain.

I don't agree with being tolerant of everything, like, I don't tolerate harassment, or pedophiles, or rapists. That doesn't make me intolerant though, it just makes me a decent person and I'm sure the "tolerant furs" group doesn't condone those people. The "less tolerant furs" group though.... you don't need to actively embrace everything that's not your cup of tea, but you don't need to put it down either.

Dunno, buncha d-bags imho.

"One cannot choose to not be a pedophile, but one can choose to not be a child molester." ~ James Cantor
Think about that.

You're not a murderer until you act on your impulse to kill somebody, but expressing your very real interest in killing somebody, going into any detail about it, or creating art of it, is still very disturbed.

Not saying people who suffer (I'm pretty sure this is fair use of this word) from those sorts of illnesses (pretty sure fair use of this word too) are bad people, but there are some things you keep to yourself or between you, your family, your close trusted friends, and your therapist. If none of the above are viable options, I'm sure there are specific forums for discussing those sorts of imbalances where the person is not upsetting the general public with what frankly we are programmed at an animal level to ostracize.

Absolutely- a prediscposition for violence or sadism is a worrying thing. If one has that, one should seek a support system of professional security and personal stability. Also having a paraphilia is pretty harmless as long as you do not harm other people and hopefully not yourself- any behaviour beyond general reproductive sex is technically extraordinary if we're going by animal nature but that shit is complicated.

The desire for violence isn't exactly the same as say, the desire for an object or a person.

There are many MANY people who enjoy guro and as much as I am not into that shit, I'm glad they're spending their time drawing and animating it, not making snuff films or perpetrating real, non-fictional violence. That's why I prefer we drop 'demonisation' (a certain group of people are 'evil' for some sort of reason) and instead educate and intercept before violence can be perpetrated or planned. Isolation, depression and demonisation are a huge trigger for an individual to fall into violent behaviour afterall.

And I totally agree, those forums should be happening but in a less 'deep net' sort of way, which seems sketchier and less safe. And absolutely, any behaviour or discussion that is intimate or subjectively disturbing in any manner should be protected from the public as large, only because to force someone to experience an image, subject or behaviour is non-consensual breach of rights.

But it's one of those subjects that many have no definite answers on, because no one wants to delve into it I suppose

Though, you're right in that what I meant was I don't tolerate child molesters, but I also don't condone any sort of pedophilia art or roleplay, and I'm glad it's not permitted on this site anymore.

I'm sorry it makes you uncomfortable and whenever it makes anyone uncomfortable.

But isn't it strange that rape, murder and torture art is allowed on FA?

Yes, it's strange for sure, but there is a certain added innocence to children in sexual situations that just makes it so much worse.

It's not exactly an uncommon line, I'm not saying it's right but it seems to be the standard. You'll see murder, torture, and even rape in hollywood blockbusters, not so much child molesting though, regardless of it all being fiction.

Like idk if this is clear, but of course I don't condone the molestation of children, nor grooming, nor conditioning, nothing that involves children in any form of sexual activity. They're children. It's a huge abuse of power. It'll cause irreprable damage to them. Obvs.

I mean it's a weird subject cuz I hate the idea of it in any sort of 'real' art, stuff that looks realistic or is too true to life. It does creep me out. But with anime, the cutification of drawn characters, things like size difference, adult ageplay, there are so many ways to consensually draw a scene with consenting adults but it looking different. Idk. I mean there IS sexual ageplay here on FA, the babyfur community seems to be a huge one.

I'm very confused where exactly anti-loli/shota art people draw their lines

Yeah, I wasn't under the assumption that you were condoning any sort of child molestation or sexual situations involving children.

Anyhow, I'm A-OK with size difference and regarding the adult ageplay, it's just that, adult ageplay. Adult, between consenting adults. I don't have any issues with it even if it's not my thing.

I am not okay with child characters engaging in sexual situations, via art or roleplay. I don't want to see it, and I don't see it on fa anymore, even out of the babyfur community. I'm well aware that that community still engages in it elsewhere, but I'm glad it's gone from here lol. I get that drawing it less realistically takes the edge off it, but I don't see a line between a cartoon child being molested, and a realistically rendered child being molested. Either way it's enjoyment of the same thing. I don't think we should be normalizing it, and I don't think it needs to be shared with the general public on such an accessible site.

I'm not even saying those people shouldn't be engaging in expressing through art, art is everyone's right and its content shouldn't be limited, but there is a degree of common sense that should be exercised in what we share in such a broad forum. If people feel compelled to indulge in pedophilia through art, they should have the decency to share it in a safe forum that was made for that purpose, rather than a highly public forum where minors are frankly abundant.

I disagree, I can tell you from personal experience that fictional sexual activities are nothing like real sexual activities in the world of fantasy. Have you never had a sexual fantasy? I don't mean to be antagonising, you may be asexual, but sexual fantasies often make no sense, include no realistic communication or scene negociation, include no safe words, often include strange or even non-consenting behaviour, or drug abuse, or monsters, or tentacles, or inanimate objects.

I agree some sexual fantasies that may bleed out of fantasy land, that should be a major cause for concern. But if someone likes the fictional idea of an occurance, sexual partner, object or activity done to them, has NO correllation to their real world views or ethics.

I suppose as somebody who only has fantasies/fetishes that are not only possible, but also fairly socially acceptable to act on, I am unable to put myself in the shoes of somebody who fantasize about doing impossible or inappropriate things. I also know first hand how much art and roleplay just don't match up with real acting out of fantasies and fetishes, the art or roleplay might satisfy some mild longing, but it doesn't scratch the itch so to say.

So possibly my view is just too limited, or maybe I'm just a bigoted asshole. The way I see it, even if somebody figures out how to lay eggs, or find a willing tentacle monster in real life, they aren't going to hurt anybody engaging in activities with those fetishes. Child molestation is all too real and possible a thing.

Well I have no interest in any of my personal fantasies, while some are possible but most certainly unethical in reality, to actually act on them. I'm very very happy to just simulate them fictionally or through adult roleplay? But I guess it must be very frightening if you have desires that breach ethnicality but still have a moral compass, and I guess that is when it becomes possibly a 'sickness' that needs professional support. For the safety of the individual and any risk to others they may pose.

But I would very much prefer the subject was an open one that a person could feel safe to seek help rather than fester and then either lose control or kill themselves. But I think society is a long way from that, considering how misogynistic, racist and homophobic it still is.

Just because it's possible to go out a murder a load of people and do something unspeakable at the scene of the crime, doesn't really mean its highly likely to happen with anyone who ever feasibly imagines it. Or want to. I think it must take a very disturbed individual of some degree to perpetuate acts of violence that break through more than just the taboo of taking lives.

And to mirror that feeling, many people are born of XYZ sexuality and their beliefs systems and environmental values dictate it is a sickness and should be cured/curbed in some way so there's that.

Sex is a very strange drive, its so weird. And I am agreeing with you on the main point in all of this. But there is so many fetishistic behaviour that has the potential to be dangerous or violent. I guess I'm tired of 'PEDOPHILIA' being the modern time equivilant of Hyper Sensationalised Mob Mentality. Don't get me wrong, I get a red haze and I cry powerfully when I hear about the abuse of children. It's incomprehensible. But demonisation makes little sense to me as well. It's like a sort of 'SHE'S A WITCH' level of hysteria. It just...its foreboding.

I'm not trying to directly challenge you btw and if this subject matter makes you uncomfortable you have no obligation to engage in it to answer any discussion!

Like what if someone into that kink would want to be transformed into a child-like form but still be 'them' so to speak, and wanted to engage in sex. That doesn't sound like an issue, for either partner, as long as both are informed.

I think you may have misunderstood me a little, though I'm not sure, I'll clarify anyhow. I'm not against people's fetishes, regardless of what they are, I fully understand that they can't be helped and that sometimes we can be wired quite weirdly. I don't agree with witch hunts, and not once did I put anybody down for having any fetish, or even for expressing it. Making people feel miserable about who they are to the point that they're afraid to tell their friends and family is not right, making people feel so alone that they commit suicide is not right. I'm not for defaming people for their interests. All I'm saying is that super broad-interest public venues are not an appropriate place for sharing some things.

Yes the public should understand the difference between somebody who fantasizes, and somebody who acts.
Yes the public should understand that people can't help their desires.
Yes the public should understand that merely having those desires does not make you a bad person.

Still, the public should not have to be subjected to people expressing their desires towards socially unacceptable and dangerous fantasies, specifically ones as sensitive a subject as pedophilia through venues that host such vast general interest communities. It's self destructive behavior in my opinion, both to the individual, and to our culture.

Though, I'm also somebody who just doesn't share much personal information with strangers in the first place, so I guess I'm a bit on the conservative side about everything anyways.

Nope, no misunderstanding I don't believe? Sorry if the discussion seemed to look that way

Thanks for talking though, it's been really interesting talking to someone on the other side of the fence :>