On Depression and Suicide
11 years ago
General
Those of you that know me probably are aware that in my past I went through some very serious depression. my particular battle with it lead me to attempt suicide at one point. I talk about it pretty casually, not because I think it makes me feel better or because I want people to coddle me, but because it helps me to cope. When I was depressed I was silent and in more ways than one that was nearly the end of me, so I chat about it now, because it was part of my life and it will always be and I want to remember that so it doesn't slip back into my life.
I'm writing this because I just caught a glance at some mistaken ideas about suicide this morning. It's often misunderstood as selfish, someone not thinking of those around them and wanting an "easy" way out. Often all that people see is the pain and possibly a small trigger, a failed project, unkind words. It's hard to understand the full scope of things when you haven't been through it.
My own attempt in retrospect sounds pathetic, I had failed out of a math class in my early years of college, that's it, but that prompted me on the way home to speed my car to 90 mph on an icy road and aim for a pole. While the trigger itself was a small thing, this was after years of depression and by this point I was certain that I was simply a burden on my family and on the world. As I drove I knew they would be sad, death makes people sad, but they were just mistaken. Really their lives would be better without me as a burden and it was for the best that I remove myself from the world. I wanted to use the car because it would look like an accident, to save them from questioning themselves as parents or support, because to me I was just defunct and it was no one's fault. The sad thing is I kept believing this for a long time. I swerved at the last moment not for any real reason of clarity but because I realized that I would total the car, which would be a financial burden on the family, defeating the purpose in the first place.
I stopped because I believed a car, an old car, was more valuable than my own life. I decided to stop and find a new way to finish things that would be less of a financial problem.
It bothers me when people think that suicide or depression are a selfish thing. My experience is not everyone's but my style of thinking was not uncommon. Focused on not my own failures and how they affect me but how I was a burden on everyone around me.
It starts in sneaky ways, a quiet question in the middle of the night "what if they're just doing that to be nice?" "what if my friends really don't like me?" "Maybe they're just saying they'll miss me because society says they should." "they'll probably get over it." "they'll definitely get over it, there's not much to get over" and the cruel part is depression causes you to pull away from friends and family more and more removing any evidence of the contrary.
To anyone that is struggling with their own depression and dark thoughts- Those thoughts are fucking liars and nothing could be farther from the truth.
"It won't really hurt them" No...it will.
I kept my suicide attempt to myself, my family never knew even after they helped me get therapy for depression, but as I got older and recovered more I talked about it as I am now. It was couple years ago that my father found out about it. We were on a family trip and I had just gone to the hotel bar to get a little drink and relax away from the family a bit. I don't remember how it came up, but I will never forget the look in his eyes when he heard it.
I have seen a lot of things in my life, but that was the first and only time where I have seen that much pain and loss in someone's face. Even the thought of losing me like that made him grieve, even if it was for just a moment. He couldn't think of words before just saying quietly "...on an icy road the car might not have turned" Since that day the thought of suicide has not really crossed my mind beyond, especially not without immediately seeing that pain. I still can't really think about it without tearing up, thinking I caused that much pain just with the thought of suicide.
I know when you are in the middle of it, it's hard to think. It's easy to blow off hearing over and over again that people care, and they will be hurt, but it isn't just words. My account is not special, I am not a unique case. If you are hurting and dealing with those lying goddamn thoughts that sneak in on the lonely nights feel free to send a note just to talk, or call the suicide hotline and let someone help you.
This is not just words, everyone does matter, and even if you don't have huge accomplishments it is the small things that bring value, more than you may ever know. You may be the one interaction which prompts someone to turn their life around. You may give a simple gift to a friend and help them out of a bad place. Even just being about to get a drink and have a conversation will help someone else deal with their own problems. Everyone has done more good for the world than they realize.
Suicide is not inherently selfish, it is the end result of a cruel sneaking illness that makes you believe things which simply are not true and never will be. No person is defunct, no person is without value, and quite frankly it's too much effort on the part of the world to lie and pretend to be nice simply because.
Be strong, seek support, survive. The world is worse off for not having you whoever you are.
I'm writing this because I just caught a glance at some mistaken ideas about suicide this morning. It's often misunderstood as selfish, someone not thinking of those around them and wanting an "easy" way out. Often all that people see is the pain and possibly a small trigger, a failed project, unkind words. It's hard to understand the full scope of things when you haven't been through it.
My own attempt in retrospect sounds pathetic, I had failed out of a math class in my early years of college, that's it, but that prompted me on the way home to speed my car to 90 mph on an icy road and aim for a pole. While the trigger itself was a small thing, this was after years of depression and by this point I was certain that I was simply a burden on my family and on the world. As I drove I knew they would be sad, death makes people sad, but they were just mistaken. Really their lives would be better without me as a burden and it was for the best that I remove myself from the world. I wanted to use the car because it would look like an accident, to save them from questioning themselves as parents or support, because to me I was just defunct and it was no one's fault. The sad thing is I kept believing this for a long time. I swerved at the last moment not for any real reason of clarity but because I realized that I would total the car, which would be a financial burden on the family, defeating the purpose in the first place.
I stopped because I believed a car, an old car, was more valuable than my own life. I decided to stop and find a new way to finish things that would be less of a financial problem.
It bothers me when people think that suicide or depression are a selfish thing. My experience is not everyone's but my style of thinking was not uncommon. Focused on not my own failures and how they affect me but how I was a burden on everyone around me.
It starts in sneaky ways, a quiet question in the middle of the night "what if they're just doing that to be nice?" "what if my friends really don't like me?" "Maybe they're just saying they'll miss me because society says they should." "they'll probably get over it." "they'll definitely get over it, there's not much to get over" and the cruel part is depression causes you to pull away from friends and family more and more removing any evidence of the contrary.
To anyone that is struggling with their own depression and dark thoughts- Those thoughts are fucking liars and nothing could be farther from the truth.
"It won't really hurt them" No...it will.
I kept my suicide attempt to myself, my family never knew even after they helped me get therapy for depression, but as I got older and recovered more I talked about it as I am now. It was couple years ago that my father found out about it. We were on a family trip and I had just gone to the hotel bar to get a little drink and relax away from the family a bit. I don't remember how it came up, but I will never forget the look in his eyes when he heard it.
I have seen a lot of things in my life, but that was the first and only time where I have seen that much pain and loss in someone's face. Even the thought of losing me like that made him grieve, even if it was for just a moment. He couldn't think of words before just saying quietly "...on an icy road the car might not have turned" Since that day the thought of suicide has not really crossed my mind beyond, especially not without immediately seeing that pain. I still can't really think about it without tearing up, thinking I caused that much pain just with the thought of suicide.
I know when you are in the middle of it, it's hard to think. It's easy to blow off hearing over and over again that people care, and they will be hurt, but it isn't just words. My account is not special, I am not a unique case. If you are hurting and dealing with those lying goddamn thoughts that sneak in on the lonely nights feel free to send a note just to talk, or call the suicide hotline and let someone help you.
This is not just words, everyone does matter, and even if you don't have huge accomplishments it is the small things that bring value, more than you may ever know. You may be the one interaction which prompts someone to turn their life around. You may give a simple gift to a friend and help them out of a bad place. Even just being about to get a drink and have a conversation will help someone else deal with their own problems. Everyone has done more good for the world than they realize.
Suicide is not inherently selfish, it is the end result of a cruel sneaking illness that makes you believe things which simply are not true and never will be. No person is defunct, no person is without value, and quite frankly it's too much effort on the part of the world to lie and pretend to be nice simply because.
Be strong, seek support, survive. The world is worse off for not having you whoever you are.
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I understand your case, back in 2010 i was so depressed that my parents sent me in ambulance. They didn't know what to do with me. Then i found furs and it helped me very much
You are not alone here. If you need to talk about it then do it. Keeping it to yourself is something that might become dangerous. But hey if you need someone to talk to, you can always pm me. *hugs*
I hope the best fpr you my friend.
If you actually read my journal you'd see that it's not uncommon that people in this situation aren't even thinking of trying to end their own pain, but are very sick and have a very corrupted mindset that causes them to believe that they are worth less in life. So please, while this may be your opinion keep it to yourself, because you have no idea who can read it and I promise you that it does make things worse to be contemplating suicide and see "it's just selfish and cowardly" because the mind does not go "oh I shouldn't do it then" it goes "he's right, I'm a piece of garbage and a coward and there's no reason for me to even try to fix things. I should end it now"
At the heart of it I do not disagree. Suicide (assuming this is not a matter of terminal illness) does hurt those around you, it does nothing to improve life for anyone, but I still hazard to call it selfish or even cowardly. To do so makes light of the struggle that exists within it.
To call the act itself selfish even implies it is done without the care of others in mind, when the opposite may be true. To call it cowardly means that it is easy and preferable when that is not the case. While the intent of the message may be to say that suicide does not have a place as an act in our society, using the incredibly negative words of cowardly and selfish have a profoundly toxic effect on the discussion, especially for those that are very deeply in depression.
It doesn't matter the intent of the words, what matters is that they are negative and leave a stain on one's character whether you meant it to refer to them or not. When hearing "suicide is selfish" that is a negative that sticks and long after the intent is faded all that remains is that single negative echoing in the mind of a lonely individual 'selfish selfish selfish'
No matter the intent selfish and cowardly are the wrong words to use. That does not mean that suicide is an appropriate answer, or that it does not deeply hurt everyone involved. It simply means that these words are poison both for those discussing the issue and use the words to vilify and treat the symptom of a disease as a single action which could be judged, and a poison to those with the disease adding to the increasing pressure which ultimately leads to some sort of break.
I am sorry if I come off harsh, but this sort of message made for whatever reason did have a negative effect on me years ago, and it still bothers me now. It is the product of a history where we judge those who commit suicide as lesser or in bad character, rather than the victims of a cruel disease, and even if that is not your intent that history and the effect of that history will not go away.
I actually remember reading an article saying that a major leading cause of both suicide and drug addiction is a lack of people around in the person's life to bond with (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/johann-hari/the-real-cause-of-addicti_b_6506936.html) you're right of course that it's not a moral failing to consider suicide and that's a pretty harsh form of victim blaming, but that said, I definitely don't condone it for any reason, because it's not just the person who does it that suffers.
I think the best thing for someone having these thoughts is having someone to talk to who won't judge them, who's had them before and got through it, worse than I did.
On a tangentially related note, I always thought it was kind of bittersweet that the last thing Justin Carmical ("JewWario") of Channel Awesome, formerly That Guy With The Glasses, was put up as saying just about that, it's pretty moving right here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OwCyQ7Gr9a4 and really bitterly ironic that those same words didn't bring him the comfort he needed not to make that same choice. (the statement I mean comes in at the end, starting at 5:12)
Being understanding and being accepting of suicide are not the same. I do not want anyone to commit suicide and if one were to do that it would be a tragedy. But to resent someone for it means that you are thinking of yourself, you are thinking of your own pain and how this thing affects you.
I'm not saying you can't be hurt, but don't let that twist how you think and talk about the subject. Resentment means you are owed something, that the person owes you something which they failed to do. It's a judgment about them for being a victim of depression and suicide. That's not the way to think and that's not the way to talk to someone about suicide.
don't think about it as someone hurting others, or someone not being thoughtful, or someone failing morally, that's not fair. It's someone that was hurt, someone broken, and someone that ultimately was not able to overcome that. It hurts just like it hurts to see someone die of cancer, but you wouldn't resent someone for that and it's not fair to say it here.
Even if it were the case that someone ended their life for what you believe to be a stupid reason, it is still the case there was a person so hurt and messed up they felt they had justification to end their life. they valued themselves so little and were hurt so terribly that suicide seemed like an option.
Stop thinking in negatives, stop thinking selfishness and resentment and anger. Stop thinking of how others are hurt and all these toxic negative ways to think of how the victim screwed up and realize that yes others are hurt, others that care deeply are hurt because ultimately there is someone extremely sick that in the end didn't have the rational capacity to fully understand the extent of their action or found that even if they did they were in so much pain it had to end.
To resent someone for that is ultimately selfish because you're not thinking of the desperate needs of this person, only how they hurt you.
That doesn't pass on a message of "I care about you and don't want you to hurt yourself" you're sending the message of "this is stupid and clearly you are not a good person to consider hurting those around you" ultimately that makes it worse, not better. It just gets internalized until someone feels they can do nothing but the wrong thing so they may as well just kill themselves to be wrong once rather than over time.
Just please, look at your words, look at how you speak on the subject and understand that it can have a big impact.
I was so filled with resentment and hatred and I remember clearly just despising everyone, anyone, any person that made the mistake of giving me condolences I could just feel myself ready to lash out.
Grief is not gentle and it is not kind. It's whats left when you feel like something good has taken itself from you and you simply want to destroy everything like you've felt has been done to you, but that's not fair, and eventually you have to come to terms with that. I don't blame anyone for being resentful and angry, I sympathize, but it's not fair and eventually that resentment must be left go, it can't linger or it will be a poison.
Growing up is our first challenge of life in this world.
Seek help always, the voices in your head are demons, don't let them be louder than You. Suicide hurts more people than you will ever know, and the world is robbed of your greatness. Don't listen to the demons, overpower them, overcome.
Thank you for sharing your story, I know there will be someone who will be spoken to with it. And thank you for volunteering to help people, it's always comforting to see there is someone you can go to. We are all thankful you are still here, you are a very positive influence on people, including myself.
I think the only thing that kept me going was the thought that if I did do it that my Mom would have to pay for my funeral expenses, because she wouldn't get my life ins. I was already failing everyone else by being the first in my family to go to college and here I was floundering as a student. I didn't want to add that to her plate.
I was just a dumb ugly girl that needed to be physically fixed, because my body was imperfect and I couldn't have my ex's kids and his ex gf was far prettier than me.
I'm not going to lie and say I never feel those feelings anymore, but I keep myself relentlessly busy. I also tell myself that I'm awesome a lot because it's true. Not many can handle the workload I do and stiill be ready for more the next day.
The thoughts still come, I never deny that. I still have bad times where I feel worthless, I'm not pretty enough, good enough, etc etc. I suppose the difference is now is I have the perspective not to slide back, even if sometimes I have to force myself to remember.
For what it is worth your presence in the community has been a massive benefit. Your work ethic is incredibly impressive and your advice for artists is invaluable. The community would not be the same without you and would be much worse off.
I could not keep suffering either, so I grabbed my courage and consulted a psychologist. It took time, but she did a wonderful job making me realize how flawed my thought process was. With her help, I was able to make friends again and I overcame my fears of social situations. The possibility of being rejected or being judged was no longer preventing me from interacting with others.
Unlike physical injuries which are more visible, many people fail to notice mental illnesses. Without being informed, they might minimize the impact they have on people. They might even see it as a sign of a weak person. From my experience, I probably have a treshold for pain much higher than most because I lived for a decade in pain and I'm still breathing. It is by talking about it that the population can learn how mental illnesses affect those who are affected by them. Once people understand, they might withdraw their judgments and be open to help out by being empathetic. Thank you for sharing your story and attempting to sensibilize people about suicide and depression.
Depression is so hard to understand without going through it, as is suicide. It makes us so different from who we used to be that we become almost alien. I really am happy that things are working out for you again.
I don't let any one in fully and anything I do it badly.
And I am super depressed from all the money I've put into my pinball machine and it still is not working.
The damn thing is practically brand new with new coils and two new boards but still is not working.
I want to have the pinball repair thing as my business along with my costume making.
But nether one are doing much of anything. :|
I keep thinking I must be doing a bad job if no one trusts me to repair there pinball machines or do costumes for them. :|
I feel like a financial burden on my parents with this pin that has been sucking my money away and it is up in the 8 or 9K now.
Could have bought a brand new pin with that amount. :|
i personally understand the subtle call of simply end and the pain will stop. all of my close friends understand me thankfully. to make it clear, no i do not intend to "check out" but i get it. and you are right, for most folks it is not selfish, mearly they are literally lost (yes in the past ive been deep down that pit of being lost and no i have not been there in at least 20 years) peace be with you, im glad your still around.
Thank you for being so open with this topic.
I'm glad your doing ok.
I've struggled, even if it may not seem like it.
This journal is really powerful. Thank you for sharing it. <3
People who are suffering to the point that it is killing them deserve sympathy, not scorn.
It honestly makes my blood boil when someone calls it "selfish". Whenever someone had said it to me, I'm thinking "I didn't ask to be born. I was brought here against my will because of someone else's selfish desires." and personally, I think it's even more selfish to not even consider the feelings of the person going through this and instead the accusing party is whining "me me me. What about how *I* feel?"
I've been struggling with this for years and I stopped mentioning it to my friends or others because I'd just get the same reaction of an automatic generation of the suicide hotline number and that was it if I even mentioned it. It was like a slap in the face because I wanted to talk to people that I believed cared about me. Who's words of consoling would have a more meaningful effect than someone I don't know from who knows where saying things that my friends could easily say. And them doing that just cemented the fact that they don't really give a shit. They just wanted to clear their conscience or get me off their back.
I really appreciate this journal and it's really nice to see someone say "you're not scum, you're not useless" even though it's not directly to me. Thank you for this, really.
I'm sorry talking to your friends hasn't helped. Maybe it's just the case that they have no idea what to say. Even with my own experience I can't say much besides the common phrases that are probably repeated over the hotline. Even with people that are extremely close to me, depression and suicide are hard to deal with, especially without training, and it's sort of like feeling someone you love is just stuck under a boulder.
You want to help, you want to do what you can, but it feels like just uselessly pushing against something that won't budge no matter how you try.
Maybe that's how it is with them. So it's not that they don't care, just at a complete and total loss for how.