Same I'm going to wait and let the dust settle before I say F'it!! *Giggles*

^ So very much this.

If it works, it works. If it doesn't, we leave. No reason to freak the fuck out.

We need to give FA some time

The way I see it

IMVU = 4 letters
FA= 2 letters

4+2=6

There are 2 parties involved

6 / 2 = 3

A triangle has 3 sides



ILLUMINATI CONFIRMED

No
HALF LIFE 3 CONFIRMED

I hope FA will never down ...
Boh I have an account on another website like FA

yes but how i will keep reading your comic? D:

http://feretta.net

:0 ... thanks -hugs- >w<

Did I miss something?

Short story short: Dragoneer sold FA to IMVU.

Wait what?O.o

So after years of taking money to supposedly do site updates which we never noticed, hiring questionable staff he now just sold the site and runs off with all the money he scammed people out of?

I didn't even know IMVU was still a thing, let alone it still being around....
Perhaps I should start considering alternative sites just in case...

No, better, he sold the site in January and only just bothered to actually tell us this.

Just read the "clarification" news post.

Can't say it made me feel better.

Also I fail to see the connection between a social network chat site that doesn't alow any adult content and a site like FA, or why IMVU would even want to buy FA in the first place.
Also what would happen to FA if IMVU suddenly decides to sack Dragoneer? Does he still keep ownership/control of the site then?

I'm also worried about advertisement becoming more obnoxious, with flashing side bars and sudden sound/movie clips popping up.

Time will tell what this will bring about I guess...but excuse me if I remain sceptical about it all.

Yeah, I'm not really sure what IMVU and FA have to do with one another or what 'Neer actually proposed to them (good transparency there). Worst possibility is some hideous integration of the two sites or sticking everything anyone actually wants behind a paywall, probably best scenario is they want to do something like set up an official auction system where they take a cut in return for putting payments through their corporate account (Paypal would be loathe to ban it and stiffing a company with chargebacks is a much more difficult proposition than stiffing an individual artist) or have a system for offering high-quality prints on demand.

the site. AND all your copyrights to everything in your gallery since the acquisition, if not the entire account.

What's this? A website bought this website? What is this IMVU thing?

*googles that thing, clicks the link*

o_o;

Okay, who at IMVU said "Hey guys... you know what we need? We need an anthro art website. It'll really compliment our 3D avatar based social networking site."

I wonder if they made some kind of attractive offer, or the owner of FA just wanted out and took the first thing that came along.

Worse yet.
They can walk up with their lawyers to any of the popular artists here who are making $$ and say.

"hey, did you know that we actually own the copyright and ip rights to that work? *produces the buy out agreement*" they then walk away with all the money you earned from that artwork plus of course the fines for violating copyright.

No, they can't do that, since Neer didn't own the exclusive rights to their work he cannot legally sell those rights to someone else.

How exactly is that supposed to work? "These permissions do not transfer the rights of your content" - while FA/IMVU/the illuminati/whoever may USE anything uploaded here, the artwork still belongs to the artist, so they can't forbid said artist to do with it as he/she pleases...

First they have to proove they own the copyright. Unless there was a change in policy I missed, they own nothing. Even Facebook and Google have to announce that stuff loud and clear. So far I have not been notified of such a change.
Also, some of the copyrights do not lie with the artist, but with the people that commissioned them.

And if Dragoneer 'sold' said copyrights, he sold something he does not own. WHich means the contract is null and void from the start.

Given, proving everything in court can be messy and will take a long time thanks to their lawyers, but...
in the meantime we will simply walk away and leave them with an empty site.

Looking at what they do, my guess is they have something else in mind. They want an advertisement platform and the email adresses that come with the site. I'm speculating, but maybe they noticed how many furries are on Second Life and how few are in their chatrooms.

Think about it, checking through the entire database of pictures and shaking down the artists like you said is too much work for too little even if it was legal. And sorting throuhg all these pictures for the few they can actually use is also prohibitive. Do you really think they want to be connected with some art that is postet here? Hey, look, IMVU stands for bestiality, vore (continue list). And it would not even bother us too much. As they said, this is their copyright. The public and the media would bury them in very bad press.
Heck, remember the onlsaught Bioware got about the sexy parts of Mass Effect?

No, they hope to gain customers by sending us spam and get us to sign up. I mean, they offer U$ 1 for every sign up from their affiliate program.

Have you read the terms and conditions of imvu's other holdings? They can and do strip customer's of the copyright of the content they upload and since it's a contract you agree to it's completely legal.
It is similar to when you are employed at certain companies they hand you a legal contract saying 'we own all the ip you come up with while employed by us'.

And it is a lie imho that the sale was for ad space. everyone uses ad-blocker now and everyone other than google's adsense type of ad's are crashing and burning because of this.
It was a buy out for the content and the ip rights of the content. Which you agreed to give dragoneer the right to pass it on to third parties.
4.1 - When you upload content to Fur Affinity via our services, you grant us a non-exclusive, worldwide, royalty-free, sublicensable, transferable right and license to use, host, store, cache, reproduce, publish, display (publicly or otherwise), perform (publicly or otherwise), distribute, transmit, modify, adapt, and create derivative works of, that content. These permissions are purely for the limited purposes of allowing us to provide our services in accordance with their functionality (hosting and display), improve them, and develop new services. These permissions do not transfer the rights of your content or allow us to create any deviations of that content outside the aforementioned purposes.

Key phrase there: "non-exclusive." You can't sell an exclusive right to someone's content (what you're talking about) when they only accepted a TOC that gave you a non-exclusive right to it.

It's like saying an agreement that you can borrow my car allows you to sell it to someone else; no, because I granted you the right to use my car under the understanding I would also be able to use my car.

Did you read what you postet? The last sentence is the important one:
These permissions do not transfer the rights of your content or allow us to create any deviations of that content outside the aforementioned purposes.

IMVU owns nothing but the name of the site, the uRL, the software and the user database. If they change the policy, this site will be empty faster than they can blink.
Maybe IMVU thinks they bought more, but id they do, Dragoneer ripped them off.

# Yes, everyone uses ad-blockers and still corporations spend a lot of money to buy lists with e-mail adresses for advertising. That part never made sense since spam began. I remember the first spam mail I got learly. Used car sales somewhere in the USA. I live in Germany and don't have a driver's license. That was about 20 years aog.

The larger a corporation is, the more supid are some of their actions.
Paramount and George Lucas once thought it was a good idea to sue fan websites over copyright infringement of Star Trek, repsecitve Star Wars and backed down in the end over the shitstorm (not called a shitstorm back then though) they've unleashed when it went public.

I have no idea what's going on ??????

I was kinda unaware imvu was still a thing.. huh... Does not seem like the safest boat to set sail with, but.. As long as FA will just still be 'a thing' we can go to and do our thing

"You guys act like I'm doing something bad just because I sold the site to Cobra Commander LLC a century ago and killed anyone who knew the truth."

Well at least if it WAS with Facebook, Facebook having share in Occulus Rift we would have been able to browse virtual 3d aisles of furry porn and virtually 'hold' a comic posted to the site off a library style shelves? ...

"At least it's not Facebook."

If it was, I'd be joining the mass exodus!
I hate Facebook with the sort of burning passionate fury normally reserved for politicians and insurance companies!

I googled imvu and it seems to be a dating site? It seems weird they chose to buy FA but if everything continues as normal i see no reason to jump ship.

The way I see it, two things could happen:
1. Everything stays the same. Maybe there's more ads, but come on, it's 2015. Use ad block. So, everything stays the same.
2. For some unforeseen reason, everything goes down the drain. We will likely migrate to another, and, in all likelihood, better site. (FA is crap, it just has a big userbase...) This is not necessarily a bad thing. (Although parts might become ugly.)
(3. The new owners make everything better, lead us into eternal elightenment and happiness and... yeah, this is not going to be the case.)

Either way, we shouldn't worry too much at the moment.

I can't help but feel that something is fishy about this, though.