Simply, those terms won't hold up in a court of law.

I don't even plan to get that far with them. if I didn't use PayPal for art, I would still not agree with those terms.

That's the thing, most people never agree to updated terms and conditions.

PayPal just states they automatically agree once it goes live.

It understandable. Have you thought of alternative payment yet?

not really. it's not like i comission that much honestly.

Well there's always money orders. ^^

Where did you hear about $2500? I have never heard this mentioned and I use paypal exclusively.

https://www.paypal.com/us/webapps/m.....-policies-full

10.3 point H

I really doubt i could do as much "damage" to be punished with that amount, BUT i don't want to agree to:

"You acknowledge and agree that $2,500.00 USD per violation of the Acceptable Use Policy is presently a reasonable minimum estimate of PayPal's actual damages considering all currently existing circumstances"

i don't want to agree because:

1.- Simply i don't think that amount is reasonable (point of view) i might be wrong but that's what i think. Just for that simple point it's enough for me not to stay.

2.- I don't understand half of it: reasonable minimum estimate of WHAT damages considering WHAT actual circumstances? it's too ambiguous for me to be to be comfortable with it.

Speaking of ambiguous:

10.5(a) 10.3 Actions by PayPal - Restricted Activities. If PayPal, in its sole discretion, believes that you may have engaged in any Restricted Activities, we may take various actions to protect PayPal, other Users, other third parties, or you from Reversals, Chargebacks, Claims, fees, fines, penalties and any other liability. The actions we may take include but are not limited to the following:

I don't like how believe sounds here


And last, on the prohibited list, we have:

(i) certain sexually oriented materials or services who decides what is "certain" here? i can draw non sexual bondage, it can be considered sexual for another person.


I decided i'm not going to use paypal anymore. I just don't like the new terms.

That term is worrying. Although they can only take money from your PayPal accounts (and I do not link any bank or credit card account with Paypal so they cannot access my money).

Technically, they already had this ability. Paypal can freeze any account during a dispute (or if they "suspect" strange activity, like creating a charity fund-raising account) and retain the money. They can do this because they are not a bank, and are not subject to the same regulations as banks. I think they have either increased the "minimum" amount, or placed an upper limit.

I do not fault you for not using paypal. But it will make it difficult for commissioners to pay you.

well if there's still someone willing to get a comission from me, we can talk a solution, no biggie ;)

I'm not seeing point I on the list anywhere >>

Oh, you won't find it on that link, that's because the point I is not a new point, but already in the Prohibited activites Paypal list.

You need to go on the prohibited activities for that, here it is.

https://www.paypal.com/ua/webapps/m.....ptableuse-full

Point 2 letter H

the "Certain" content has longsince been case of their old rules of "no sexual/pornographic content to be sold/traded via paypal's uses for monetary compensation/gain" :) their wording has always been a bit less "short and sweet" but that's essentially what it is still.

basically the fine is "if the violation/s are bad enough; they have the legal ability to file fine/lawsuit for that 2500. will they? usually no actually. unless you really have done bad enough to earn it.

this kinda "big annoying wording" is why so many have just ignored it's stuff cuz PP always gives annoying updates that are really nothing new or updated to what it was before when first signing up. :)


if you don't violate their terms, you're golden. if you do, then just play it smart and safe to avoid the troubles that can follow. (though playing it safe without violations is always nicer, ya know? ^^)


hope that helps ya a bit too my friend

well my goods are pornographic or sexual, i they would be in the list.

Even if they are not, and i can "play it safe", i do not agree that a 2500$ fine minimum is acceptable. It definetelly it's not, and i'm not standing with them in that point.

As a business site though; they do reserve the rights to fine or sue their violators as needed.
Most often they wont, but it's mostly toward more "large scale violators" :)

Hm... thats why we need to read the therns and not only agreed with they.... =p
I didn't knew about this 2500$ for buying adult stuff.....

Maybe I should get out there before go into trouble.
Do you have any other recomendation of website to this kind of service?

Not really. Maybe it's quite hard to get punished by that fee, still, i don't agree with it.

Agreed. Specially cuz is a tool almost made for this kind of business

Paypal will no longer work with eBay? I know there is a split between the two, but where does it say that Paypal will no longer be compatible with eBay?

I'll be looking into alternatives... What are you going to use to shop on eBay, instead?

at the moment...nothing xD I'm pretty sure they will offer an alternative, if there's not one already.

Actually, if you want to still use PayPal on Ebay, you can:

"What does the separation of PayPal and eBay mean to me?

We’re committed to maintaining a quality relationship with our customers. We’ve made updates to our User Agreement to keep the same user experience in place. eBay will continue to work with PayPal for payments, refunds, past due balances, and holds. This is in line with how PayPal and eBay have worked together in the past."

https://www.paypal.com/ad/webapps/m.....al-ebay-update [See FAQs - Bottom of Page]

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Also, they've always had that $2,500 fee

https://www.paypal.com/ad/webapps/m.....agreement-full [11.7 -- Updated May 2015]