I'll be testing NEW ratings rules at Anthrocon (PLEASE READ)
10 years ago
***************************************************************** Let's get this off the bat immediately: If you read the headline and exclaimed "YAY, SHE'S DRAWING PORN NOW" or, alternatively, "Aww god dammit, she's drawing porn now..." Sorry to say, that's not really happening.
Not exactly.
What I AM doing is relaxing my ratings regarding pin-up nudes of solo characters. Or, specifically, I should say I am going to tentatively test the prospect of relaxing my ratings regarding pin-up nudes of solo characters.
I discovered this fandom when I was a wee freshman in high school in 1997 via an oooooold website called YERF. Yerf had very strict ratings guidelines, and myself being 15 felt no real desire to break them at the time. I started discovering more of what we shall refer to as the "seedy underbelly" of the fandom before I even graduated High School, and that coupled with my desire to get onto the heavily-curated under-PG13 YERF (which I was accepted in 2001 as a college freshman) put me on my "No Porn For ME" path very early on. I've stuck with that path since then for a variety of reasons, though none of which included a personal hatred of porn and nudity. And let's be honest here: if furry nudity legitimately bothered me, I'd have run screaming from this fandom YEARS ago.
I've been going back and forth on relaxing my ratings for years, but something always held me back. A lot of it was fear; fear of what "someone" would think if they found me drawing dirty art. Fear of attracting weird, creepy people that I would sometimes see lingering in the comments of friends' porn posts or at their convention tables. Fear of That Scary Guy getting the wrong idea about who I am and what I like because I drew something for someone and coming onto me. Fear of having random strangers explain their deepest sexual fantasies in detail, and fear of someone asking for/assuming/spreading rumors about mine. And most of all, fear of losing the respect of the fans that had gotten to know me as a Clean artist.
Now, at 32 years old, with 15+ years of varying levels of activity in this fandom and approaching my 11th year vending at Anthrocon, I've come to the conclusion that I'm kinda just tired of being afraid of those things.
(Ok, the last thing IS still a fear, but I hope you guys know me well enough and like my work enough that having a nipple or ball show up from time to time won't make you want to tie to me to a rock and throw me in the Hudson River.)
Anyway, Here's the Deal....
Starting at Anthrocon, you will be able to come to my table and request single-character nudes. They will ONLY be available on request; even if the rest of your book is full of porn, I'll still default to PG-13 rating unless you ask. I'm considering a surcharge to prevent every commission from simply turning into a nude-fest, likely around 25% extra, but I'm still debating that. I still don't really want to draw hard-core pornography. It's weird territory for me, and to be quite honest I don't think I'd be any good at it. Therefor, on top of any nudes being solo pictures (no nude couples), I'm also going to restrict poses to more cheese-cakey pin-up type stuff.
I'm not gonna list specific things I'm not willing to draw, but use your common sense. If you come up and ask for your character shown from behind masturbating with a hotdog shoved up their ass, I'm gonna say no. However, if your character is sitting with a hotdog bun in his lap cradling his dick and he's making a "Come out to the ball game" joke, I'd probably draw that. Humor trumps sexy for me anyway; I'll do sexy, but if all I got were funny-but-naked sketches all weekend, I'd be OK with that.
Any nudes are intended to be non-sexual. What does that mean, you ask? General obvious rules I'm setting now are: no juices (or solids... y'all know what I mean), no spreading, no inserting, no masterbatory activities of any kind. More will likely come up, but as this is new to me it's hard for me to list everything your creatively dirty minds can come up with. I'll have allowances for some playful/tease type poses, within reason. Just be polite if/when I decline something, as arguing or even trying to bargain with me is not only going to make me dig in my heels more, it'll make me WAY more likely to never ever draw nudes ever again. No means no.
On that note, what I need from you guys is this: Please please PLEASE don't be weird about this with me. I don't want to sexy RP with your characters, I'm NOT drawing a Lizardbeth nude for you (and probably not most of the other BPD cast either, especially if it's out of character for them, unless you have a REALLY good idea and ask me really, REALLY nicely and promise not to get upset if I say no. Liz will ALWAYS be no though), I don't wanna hear all about your weird fetish involving Rand Paul, cuttlefish, and Butterscotch Ice Cream, I'm not gonna tell you mine, and no I'm STILL not gonna draw you hardcore porn so don't push me for god's sake. If this doesn't go well and I get too many people trying to use me relaxing my ratings to push even harder for the hardcore stuff, or if anybody goes Super Perv on me, I will end the experiment and not ever do this again.
I'm relaxing my ratings because I realized my fear of what might happen was keeping me from doing something that, to be quite honest, doesn't bother me at all and hasn't bothered me in a long time. I used to draw REAL LIVE NAKED PEOPLE IN COLLEGE, for god's sake. But if you prove to me that my fears were justified, than that'll just be that, I guess. We're all adults here, people (I hope). I'll draw your stupid boobs and penises, because they're REALLY not a big deal to me. But I beg you, PLEASE don't make it a big deal out of it or so help me I will turn this nudie bus around and go home. .
...ok, that sounded needlessly harsh, but what I'm trying to say is, if you're worried about whether or not you'll be That Guy? Just... don't be that guy. Be nice. Be respectful. Ask. And if I say no, accept it OR let me offer a compromise that I would be comfortable with. But please don't make those weird fears I have into a reality. I'm a reclusive introvert. I spook easily. ;^_^
As long as Anthrocon attendees don't scare me into never attempting any art past PG-13, whenever I open commissions up after the convention, everyone will be able to request nudes of their characters if'n ya wanna (not a requirement, obviously. Pants are still cool, y'all). I will let you guys know the results of the experiment post-con.
I dunno how many people this will interest, since there are SO many people in the fandom that do WAY MORE INTERESTING STUFF than I do, but if you're one of those people who'd really like me to draw them something like this, than hooray! :D Just remember to be respectful. Please please pretty please? ;^_^
And if my ratings shift bothers you at all, (a) I'm sorry if it's a disappointment/surprise, but sometimes things change and this was kinda a small change I've been leaning towards for a while, (b) I promise not to ever draw nudes for you specifically, and © I will likely never flood my account with adult work. I don't anticipate it being a flood anyway. It it ever becomes that, I'll make a separate FA account to keep it away for those who still want to cling to the illusion that I'm a good lil' angel baby that never says naughty words (spoiler: my language makes Sailors CRY)
WELL, uhh..... I guess that's it. Feel free to ask questions below, if you're curious about it.
Not exactly.
What I AM doing is relaxing my ratings regarding pin-up nudes of solo characters. Or, specifically, I should say I am going to tentatively test the prospect of relaxing my ratings regarding pin-up nudes of solo characters.
I discovered this fandom when I was a wee freshman in high school in 1997 via an oooooold website called YERF. Yerf had very strict ratings guidelines, and myself being 15 felt no real desire to break them at the time. I started discovering more of what we shall refer to as the "seedy underbelly" of the fandom before I even graduated High School, and that coupled with my desire to get onto the heavily-curated under-PG13 YERF (which I was accepted in 2001 as a college freshman) put me on my "No Porn For ME" path very early on. I've stuck with that path since then for a variety of reasons, though none of which included a personal hatred of porn and nudity. And let's be honest here: if furry nudity legitimately bothered me, I'd have run screaming from this fandom YEARS ago.
I've been going back and forth on relaxing my ratings for years, but something always held me back. A lot of it was fear; fear of what "someone" would think if they found me drawing dirty art. Fear of attracting weird, creepy people that I would sometimes see lingering in the comments of friends' porn posts or at their convention tables. Fear of That Scary Guy getting the wrong idea about who I am and what I like because I drew something for someone and coming onto me. Fear of having random strangers explain their deepest sexual fantasies in detail, and fear of someone asking for/assuming/spreading rumors about mine. And most of all, fear of losing the respect of the fans that had gotten to know me as a Clean artist.
Now, at 32 years old, with 15+ years of varying levels of activity in this fandom and approaching my 11th year vending at Anthrocon, I've come to the conclusion that I'm kinda just tired of being afraid of those things.
(Ok, the last thing IS still a fear, but I hope you guys know me well enough and like my work enough that having a nipple or ball show up from time to time won't make you want to tie to me to a rock and throw me in the Hudson River.)
Anyway, Here's the Deal....
Starting at Anthrocon, you will be able to come to my table and request single-character nudes. They will ONLY be available on request; even if the rest of your book is full of porn, I'll still default to PG-13 rating unless you ask. I'm considering a surcharge to prevent every commission from simply turning into a nude-fest, likely around 25% extra, but I'm still debating that. I still don't really want to draw hard-core pornography. It's weird territory for me, and to be quite honest I don't think I'd be any good at it. Therefor, on top of any nudes being solo pictures (no nude couples), I'm also going to restrict poses to more cheese-cakey pin-up type stuff.
I'm not gonna list specific things I'm not willing to draw, but use your common sense. If you come up and ask for your character shown from behind masturbating with a hotdog shoved up their ass, I'm gonna say no. However, if your character is sitting with a hotdog bun in his lap cradling his dick and he's making a "Come out to the ball game" joke, I'd probably draw that. Humor trumps sexy for me anyway; I'll do sexy, but if all I got were funny-but-naked sketches all weekend, I'd be OK with that.
Any nudes are intended to be non-sexual. What does that mean, you ask? General obvious rules I'm setting now are: no juices (or solids... y'all know what I mean), no spreading, no inserting, no masterbatory activities of any kind. More will likely come up, but as this is new to me it's hard for me to list everything your creatively dirty minds can come up with. I'll have allowances for some playful/tease type poses, within reason. Just be polite if/when I decline something, as arguing or even trying to bargain with me is not only going to make me dig in my heels more, it'll make me WAY more likely to never ever draw nudes ever again. No means no.
On that note, what I need from you guys is this: Please please PLEASE don't be weird about this with me. I don't want to sexy RP with your characters, I'm NOT drawing a Lizardbeth nude for you (and probably not most of the other BPD cast either, especially if it's out of character for them, unless you have a REALLY good idea and ask me really, REALLY nicely and promise not to get upset if I say no. Liz will ALWAYS be no though), I don't wanna hear all about your weird fetish involving Rand Paul, cuttlefish, and Butterscotch Ice Cream, I'm not gonna tell you mine, and no I'm STILL not gonna draw you hardcore porn so don't push me for god's sake. If this doesn't go well and I get too many people trying to use me relaxing my ratings to push even harder for the hardcore stuff, or if anybody goes Super Perv on me, I will end the experiment and not ever do this again.
I'm relaxing my ratings because I realized my fear of what might happen was keeping me from doing something that, to be quite honest, doesn't bother me at all and hasn't bothered me in a long time. I used to draw REAL LIVE NAKED PEOPLE IN COLLEGE, for god's sake. But if you prove to me that my fears were justified, than that'll just be that, I guess. We're all adults here, people (I hope). I'll draw your stupid boobs and penises, because they're REALLY not a big deal to me. But I beg you, PLEASE don't make it a big deal out of it or so help me I will turn this nudie bus around and go home. .
...ok, that sounded needlessly harsh, but what I'm trying to say is, if you're worried about whether or not you'll be That Guy? Just... don't be that guy. Be nice. Be respectful. Ask. And if I say no, accept it OR let me offer a compromise that I would be comfortable with. But please don't make those weird fears I have into a reality. I'm a reclusive introvert. I spook easily. ;^_^
As long as Anthrocon attendees don't scare me into never attempting any art past PG-13, whenever I open commissions up after the convention, everyone will be able to request nudes of their characters if'n ya wanna (not a requirement, obviously. Pants are still cool, y'all). I will let you guys know the results of the experiment post-con.
I dunno how many people this will interest, since there are SO many people in the fandom that do WAY MORE INTERESTING STUFF than I do, but if you're one of those people who'd really like me to draw them something like this, than hooray! :D Just remember to be respectful. Please please pretty please? ;^_^
And if my ratings shift bothers you at all, (a) I'm sorry if it's a disappointment/surprise, but sometimes things change and this was kinda a small change I've been leaning towards for a while, (b) I promise not to ever draw nudes for you specifically, and © I will likely never flood my account with adult work. I don't anticipate it being a flood anyway. It it ever becomes that, I'll make a separate FA account to keep it away for those who still want to cling to the illusion that I'm a good lil' angel baby that never says naughty words (spoiler: my language makes Sailors CRY)
WELL, uhh..... I guess that's it. Feel free to ask questions below, if you're curious about it.
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I mean i'm not demanding that you draw porn of your OCs or even asking you to, I was just wondering why artists such as yourself tend to get so protective of them? and its not just sexual content. I've just noticed that many artists have these weird, very specific rules about how they depict their fursonas & characters and what they will and won't draw them doing (or how others draw them), even though they are quite happy to do so with other characters. These rules might be pretty general like in your case "nothing over PG" but others might be more specific: say 'I draw straight and gay situations but this char i'll only draw gay' or 'I'll draw what ever you want with my fursona or any of my chars EXCEPT this particular one and you can't draw them like that either' or 'you can draw my char like this but don't draw them out of character'.
It's a double standard I never got my head around. Obviously you can't speak for each individual case but could you shed some light on yours? If its not to personal a question to answer?
I also know that many people look at Lizardbeth, and they associate her VERY CLOSELY with being me. In fact, many look at her and see me. I can't help that. Some people don't care about random people possibly viewing them in a sexual light because of their character, but I do. People do that anyway and I can't help it, but going into doing nudes of her is only gonna encourage that kind of thing. Again, it's a personal preference, and one I hope people can respect.
Lastly, I've seen OTHER people draw Lizardbeth in... shall we say "compromising" situations. While I wouldn't draw her that way, I don't care if other people do. I used to, but i've long since given up caring, at least caring beyond thinking they're a weirdo for obsessing over seeing my character naked. Because let's be honest, that's a little weird. ;^_^
I think the fandom could do with more "tasteful" nudes - it doesn't always have to be hardcore afterall. :)
Best of luck at Anthrocon; let us know how it ends up going!
Okay so she doesn't have external junk.
And nor does she have nipples. Or breasts for that matter.
Hell, the average lump of coal has more obvious sexual characteristics but still...
Branch out, have fun, don't let the creeps get to you <3
What I do have is commission style samples, which are here: http://www.furaffinity.net/view/16570236/ At the con, I will ONLY be doing pencil, b&w ink, greyscale, and flat color. Full color with shading & everything just takes too long for a convention, and I can't do anything digitally as I can't bring my cintiq and printer with me. I'll have a more detailed price breakdown at my table for each style and what additions like extra characters & such cost (still figuring that out), but the general range is $30-$100 to start for a single character. If that gives you a better idea for budgeting. :)
Good luck with the experiment!
Basically I came up with this idea for a character: A 2-headed wolf with a very curvy, voluptuous female body. One of the heads is named Lucy, and she's very flirty and boy-hungry, always giving the guys knowing looks while she's strutting her stuff and shaking her thing. The other head is named Chad and he's a bit of a sports-bro, and while he's got an open mind as far as however other people care to shack up together, he's always frustrated that every bro-friend he makes ends up turning out gay and trying to get a piece of his ass. There's also some elements of Chad being really defensive of his sister Lucy, always chasing away potential suitors because he thinks Lucy deserves a better guy. I figure Chad controls just one arm on his side, while Lucy controls pretty much all the rest of the body.
The commission I have in mind would be for a sort of doodle page exploring the fact that the two of them are basically in denial about sharing the same body. Lucy basically doesn't care and just tries to do what she wants, and Chad has built up some sort of mental block over the years where, despite being overtly female from the neck down, still identifies as an independent, fully male wolf. So like, maybe a half dozen simple scenes of them interacting with random folks in ways that play off of their situation.
It'd also be partly a design commission, as I don't have any really strong thoughts on the characters' visual design details, beyond what I've outlined here.
I hope the experiment goes well!
I've found that people in general are much more reasonable and respectful iRL than online no matter what things they might be into. Never had anyone at a convention try to push their fantasies onto me, either.
And if "That Guy" does show up and give you problems, have friends and convention staffers give them the boot. :) Remember that you are in control and no means no.
See you there!
As i said, i feel bad because joining Yerf was a goal that i could never achieve.
All of these things I'd do on a case-by-case basis. While I don't really like movies that are super violent and gory, I've done some commissions in the past that had a bit of that in them (I even did a badge once of a two-headed zombie fox biting into and ripping up the flesh of a severed Lizardbeth arm.) I can handle cartoon and illustrated gore much better than movie gore; the thing is, I don't know if I'd be good at drawing the super gratuitous stuff. You have to be REALLY into that kinda stuff to be able to capture all of the gushy details well, and I'm just not. But as long as I feel like I can competently illustrate your idea and the thing motivating/causing violence/gore isn't something I would take personal issue with, I'd be open to it.
Recreational drug use I'd likely be OK with portraying as well, depending on the context. If someone's smoking a joint or using a bong, that's fine. It would really depend on the overall context of the picture. Also I'm way more comfortable with showing something like marijuana than, say, cocaine. Again, it's a case-by-case thing.
As for coarse language.... I guess you missed the part at the end of my post where I said my language would make sailors cry. :) I have ZERO problem with bad language! As long as it's not one of the various flavors of hate speech (homophobic, transphobic, racist, antisemitic, etc), because that I won't do. But using the F word and it's ilk? Totally fine. :)
...Kidding, of course. Do what you're comfortable doing. XD
....also, gold-pressed latinum? what?
I've been open to drawing nudes and suggestive stuff for a very long time now and even to this day, the actual amount of nude/porn art I've drawn for others is nowhere near as close as my tamer stuff in the grand scheme of things.
It probably helps that I bailed on actual hardcore porn commissions a while back after some bad works (more on my end than the client's fault) made me realize something: drawing porn of characters I have little to no personal investment in bores me too much, which in turn means I'd be offering an inferior drawing. I can barely manage to draw porn of my own characters (the ones I'm ok for such situations, that is), so in retrospect I'm not surprised I stink at drawing it for others. Pin-ups and cuddling it is!
In any case, I wish you the best of luck with this new adventure! You'll probably be fine, though good on you for covering your assets ahead of time :V
In all seriousness, good luck to you! Hopefully nobody is a creeper about it and it works out!
....no no, wait, don't tell me. ;^_^ lol
I wish you luck :3
I hope you've been well, and I'm glad to see you art'ing! Personally, I'm struggling with a bizarre ego crisis wondering if I'm manly enough to successfully rock one of those "feral Inix" t-shirts. Aaaaaaaaaaa
It's a genuine fear as those folks can make the bible thumpers and gaystoppo look open minded and tolerant at times.
The good news is the way more extra money it'll bring in will more than compensate for the little bit of money lost from them boycotting you.
I'd swing by to commission some nudes but Rhonda and I have been re-prioritizing time and money and cons have ended up lower instead of higher.
PS - tentacles aren't characters so one can still do a single character with naughty tentacles
The nudes I'm allowing are non-sexual ones, so if someone starts to describe a sexual scene, I'm going to veto it, even if it's solo character. I've vetoed commissions that were fully clothed or covered but were too sexual for my taste. I even had a guy try to tell me that two people having sex but "covered by a blanket so you can't see anything naughty" would be within my ratings and was genuinely shocked when I turned him down. I think he thought he'd found a loophole. ;^_^
Anyway, I don't consider what I'm planning on doing any "naughtier" than the stuff you see if you go to an art museum with classical paintings. LOTS of nudity there, but nobody's calling that pornography.
The secret to getting a good commission is to keep the commission in a place where the artist is going to be happiest and most comfortable drawing it.
As such, even if you manage to trick/coax/bribe an artist in doing something they normal won't do (here's $1000, now will do porn?) you'll rarely get your money's worth because it'll be a struggle and the artists' heart just wont be in it.
Look through my gallery and you'll see so many wonderful picts because I'm smart enough to figure out where an artist works best and then drop my request right in the middle of that sweet spot.
So don't let anyone on either side of the debate try to push you out of your sweet spot as what they get, and more importantly, what you give, just won't be worth it.
Honestly I still love your work if it was either SFW or NSFW
regardless of what you strive to aim for in creativity. ^^
I won;t be going to AC this year b/c I work and junk.
Have fun though.
Also don;t forget about that coffee shop I mentioned to you last year: Leaf and Bean.
You'll love their brew. :9
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Just don't let people push you around. It's sad, but school is not the only place that you'll run into bullies.