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Launching Patreon Numero Dos

By Kabier, a month ago

As the title states, I've decided to launch a second Patreon to give my followers the choice as to whether or not they'd like to support my comics, or my fully rendered digital works. To save the hassle of having to repeat myself, I'll copy - paste the the campaign info directly from the Patreon itself.

As you can imagine, working on artwork fulltime isn't an easy task. It requires a lot of discipline and dedication to be able to get projects done within a timely fashion, while still retaining quality. For the past two and a half years, the majority of my income has come from working on collaborative comics with my partner Jasonafex such as Rough Upbringing, it's popular sequel A Lesson Learnt, Christmas Came Early, Undertail: LOVE or be Loved, and lastly Man's Best Friend: With Benefits. Working on these comics has been a wonderful experience, but understandably so, burnout is definitely a factor when working on comic after comic with no real breaks in between. And with that is my main reasoning for creating this Patreon!

Though work on our comics will resume as normal, it'd be nice to not have to rely solely on them as my main source of income. With this Patreon, I will be able to create more complex and detailed projects that will allow me to experiment and practice more with my style and techniques to further improve my work. Even if it's just one project per month, every little bit of practice helps! I truly feel like having the chance to step away from comics every once and a while to do other projects will really help improve my drive and motivation to work on the following comics to come.

I want to be clear, this Patreon is more of a 'tip box with perks' so to speak. I will still make artwork, free to view for every single one of my followers. Obviously, if you support this Patreon, not only will you be helping me make more artwork, you'll get nifty rewards for doing so, such as sketches, linework, flats, high resolution and unlfattened PSD files! Very similar to how my comic Patreon works in fact. However, there is one extra perk I wanted to add to all Patrons!

If / when I reach my goal of $200 per project, you, the Patrons, will not only be able to see WIP's of all my other works, but will have the added opportunity to vote from a list of themes such as rule 34 of your favorite furry characters, HD one offs from one of our comics, with the potential for more depending on how things go once each month! If Patrons grow in number and time allows, I might even be able to do more votes per month. This will allow users to have more input into what I draw, while still allowing me to draw themes and characters that I'm interested in!

That pretty much covers it! I'd like to state one last time that I will not be pay walling any of my content, and every image I post will be made available to all of my followers. This Patreon is purely for those that are interested in seeing the process I take to create some of the bigger projects in my gallery, and to have a say in what I draw in future projects. This will not interfere with the comics Jasonafex and I are making.

If this interest you, you can check out the Patreon here. And as always, if you have any questions or concerns, please feel free to leave your comments below.

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#link Posted: a month ago

I like both, but can only afford to back one x.x I changed mine to the full renders, but i still love your comics, I swear

#link Posted: a month ago

Sounds fair enough.

#link Posted: a month ago

Check out Swaggerdile.com, a new patreon site for furfolk and others created by the folk that run Tigerdile.com, the artist streaming site. You might like what they have to offer.

#link Posted: a month ago

Sounds perfectly reasonable. I've based my art page around comics and I am only coming to realize how exhausting they can be due to the amount of work required per release. This way you can draw those nice relaxing solo pieces without killing your income as an artist :).

#link Posted: a month ago

You're very correct. I find the most tedious part of comics is making all the panels look consistent, even when your artwork outside of comics is improving. If I could, I'd redo all my comics, but then it'd just be a never ending loop of not being happy with them. xD

#link Posted: a month ago

Oh god... I re drew a character's face in ONE cell like 15 times just to ensure the line work was consistent with the way he looked when first introduced... Its horrible right? And I can agree about the redoing a comic thing. My first comic is..... very inconsistent because I used it to learn. But if every time I improved and went back to redo the old work.... *shrugs.* Anyway I'm excited to see what you come out with next, comic or stand alone page :).

#link Posted: a month ago

I don't know if this patreon thing is being any good in general...

#link Posted: a month ago

It works for some people! It's helped fund all my comics tremendously. ^^

#link Posted: a month ago

I don't doubt that :) What I don't like is how they make money off the artists work. 5% of everything only for being a pay-per-view clone of a normal art site? I don't think they need so much only to mantain the site online. And that excludig ADS income!

#link Posted: a month ago

Think of it as a licensing fee. If I design a new product, say a lint roller that is infinitely reusable because its "stickiness" is from electrostatic principles. I then license it to a company actually able to produce it. I take 5% of the sale value of the product(not the profit, the actual selling price) and they get 95% for their efforts. I get rewarded for my idea, and they get rewarded for their actual leg work. Its perfectly fair.

Patreon is much the same. Without Patreon there isn't a common trusted resource for artists who are not Warhol or something pretentious like that to earn a living. Artists like Kabier would have to resort to scrounging for commission work producing anything she can in order to make ends meet. In essence Patreon has solved one of the greatest problems of our age, "lower end" artists should be able to earn a living too and not just the Ai Wei Wei's of the world. For that wonderful gift to the world they deserve their 5%, just like an inventor deserves 5% for his creation.

#link Posted: a month ago

It might be as you say, but myself I still don't like it. Artists have always a hard time to make money off their work, and adding a fee only because "I created a clone of DA with money addition" still feels unfair. They make way more that they need, and this translates directly to a "make money off artists efforts".

It's like if you were to invent a medicinal solution for a desease and put it a price not for producing costs, but to become rich with it. It's your right to do so, but still a bad thing to do.

#link Posted: a month ago

I think our disagreement is a moral dilemma, and ultimately morals while having elements of logic still heavily rely on human emotion. You seem to have a fundamental negative emotion attached to earning money. However, this attachment is specific, as you enjoy the idea of the individual, an artist earning as much money as possible for their work in helping others (promoting happiness ect through art.) However you seem to have a fundamental problem when a group of people does the same thing supporting many many families for their work in creating a marketplace that wouldn't otherwise exist.

Its the same mechanic in that people love it when a mom and pop business rakes in money but don't apparently like it when a big corporation full of thousands of mouths to feed does the same thing... Of course looking at it logically the difference between the two is all foolishness and appearances, but its the emotion that counts in morals.

Of course my emotional position is the opposite. If someone has come up with a way that has solved possibly the greatest problem artists in the world faced I would actually find myself saddened if they did not get richly rewarded for the wondrous thing they have given to the world. Its on the same level of knowing that Nikolai Tesla, whom was the father of the modern technological world died broke and alone...

#link Posted: a month ago

I don't see them having solved anything at all actually. Only the most popular artists can make something off it, but those artists are most likely to be fine also without that site. All of the majority of artists who are way too little known and yet spend a lot of time and effort in drawing won't make anything with it, so the problem persists. Yet they still feel like earning large amounts of money for a simple effortless creation? Eh...

We won't find an agreement because we have different points of view and different ideals, so lets just end it here. Language differences are also a pain in trying to explain things -w-

#link Posted: a month ago

I actually pointed out different emotional perspectives (points of view were the problem.) To be quite honest, your feeling that "they only help a few artists' is another emotional statement, much the same as people in my country feeling that the "rich get all the tax breaks." Both statements are patently not true if you actually look at the cold hard facts, its easy to feel about things, hard to know the actual truth....

Its like the US government taxing away 50% of the income of people earning $410,000 or more. What did that government really do anyway? That person sung all the songs, or made the youtube videos, or commanded the creation of the cars or whatever to create that money! WHy should the government get half of what they make!?! The answer is of course the government provided the foundations, the platform for that to be possible in the first place and as such demands 50% of all that money. PLUS that person's wages again taxed from their employer! Compared to that, patreon asking for 5% for creating that foundation is pretty low...

#link Posted: a month ago

as long as every one gets to see the finished art i don't see a problem, i only have to problem when things turn into a "pay to win" honestly people how set those up are just garbage, and truly don't gave a dam about there followers base. i could rant about that but its quite pointless.

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#link Posted: 2 weeks ago

I'm glad your first Patreon has done well for you so far, and I'm also glad this one already seems off to a good start. I hope that, should one become much more successful than the other, you don't end up feeling like you have no choice but to only (or mostly) produce the one type of art. We love seeing what you love making.