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The US $20 bill controversy
9 years ago
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http://www.furaffinity.net/journal/5868382/
http://www.furaffinity.net/journal/5868382/
Okay, I just have to say something here.
I am not going to link to the journal, but someone on here ranted and raved about Harriet Tubman being put on the $20 dollar bill. I tried to ask some reasonable questions, but was attacked and unltimately blocked, then of couse after the block responded to and insulted more.
So I just wanted to try to address a few points that people have made.
I will be honest, I could understand one random person having this opinion, but other people actually AGREED with them, and one person on my Twitter did as well, so this isn't just a random incident.
This honestly disappoints, and scares me, that people really do think this way.
But, onwards.
So, first off, Andrew Jackson was on the $20 bill. Now Harriet Tubman will be on the front of the bill. Andrew Jackson will still be on the bill, but he will be on the back, which makes the hatred for this change even less justified.
I just want to inject a personal opinion here. I do not understand why anyone would be against Harriet Tubman being on the US currency. She did so much for the country at one of the most important and saddest parts of our history. She helped free thousands of oppressed people at great personal risk. She was a hero.
Okay, now on to what was said.
First off, both the OP of the FA journal, and the person on my Twitter (who are not the same person) are blaming "social justice warriors" on this. I honestly do not understand. There seems to be this blind hatred of anything that some random person lables "SJW" without really looking at the actual issue, doing thier own research, and thinking for themselves about it. One person lables one thing "SJW" and then people automatically jump on it because it has been labeled as such.
The person seemed to think that the only people who "deserve" to be on our currency were former presidents and founding fathers.
So... WHY? Why should it remain the same, just because it always has? That is a pretty lame excuse to be honest. Things change. Look at the US. When most of those people were alive, people had slaves and women were second class citizens at best. We have moved beyond that. So why shouldn't our money as well?
I reminded them that not only was Salmon Chase on a bill- and he was neither, but also we have had Sacagawea AND Susan B. Anthony on our $1 coins. Not only are they both women, but one was Native American, so that belief has already been disproven.
People don't seem to realize that we have changed our bills and coins all the time. Who is on them is not written in stone. There is no reason why they can't or they shouldn't change, not only for security reasons, but also for social and even political ones.
They said that putting her on the bill "disrespects the heritage of the country". I am not even sure what they mean by that. Around the time of the founding fathers, the "heritage" was rich white men who owned slaves. We as a country and as a people have moved beyond that. Why should our money not do the same?
I could see why people could possibly call it a "politically correct" move. But even that term really has a negative stigma attatched to it. Personally, I dont see it as a "PC" move, I see it as honoring a person who did many great things for this country. I can see why they chose Jackson specifically to take off, as he did do some rather.. unsavory things, including signing the act that put the Trail of Tears into motion.
But honestly, most of the people on our bills did unsavory things, that at the time were deemed to be okay- such as owning slaves, so it really could have been anyone that they replaced. But Jackson has been one of the more highly controversial people on the bill, I can see why they chose him over the others.
I could go on more about this, and get into some of the comments that other people left actually defending this person, but I think it's best to just leave it here..
I am interested to see what people think, but PLEASE keep it civil. No personal attacks, please.
I am not going to link to the journal, but someone on here ranted and raved about Harriet Tubman being put on the $20 dollar bill. I tried to ask some reasonable questions, but was attacked and unltimately blocked, then of couse after the block responded to and insulted more.
So I just wanted to try to address a few points that people have made.
I will be honest, I could understand one random person having this opinion, but other people actually AGREED with them, and one person on my Twitter did as well, so this isn't just a random incident.
This honestly disappoints, and scares me, that people really do think this way.
But, onwards.
So, first off, Andrew Jackson was on the $20 bill. Now Harriet Tubman will be on the front of the bill. Andrew Jackson will still be on the bill, but he will be on the back, which makes the hatred for this change even less justified.
I just want to inject a personal opinion here. I do not understand why anyone would be against Harriet Tubman being on the US currency. She did so much for the country at one of the most important and saddest parts of our history. She helped free thousands of oppressed people at great personal risk. She was a hero.
Okay, now on to what was said.
First off, both the OP of the FA journal, and the person on my Twitter (who are not the same person) are blaming "social justice warriors" on this. I honestly do not understand. There seems to be this blind hatred of anything that some random person lables "SJW" without really looking at the actual issue, doing thier own research, and thinking for themselves about it. One person lables one thing "SJW" and then people automatically jump on it because it has been labeled as such.
The person seemed to think that the only people who "deserve" to be on our currency were former presidents and founding fathers.
So... WHY? Why should it remain the same, just because it always has? That is a pretty lame excuse to be honest. Things change. Look at the US. When most of those people were alive, people had slaves and women were second class citizens at best. We have moved beyond that. So why shouldn't our money as well?
I reminded them that not only was Salmon Chase on a bill- and he was neither, but also we have had Sacagawea AND Susan B. Anthony on our $1 coins. Not only are they both women, but one was Native American, so that belief has already been disproven.
People don't seem to realize that we have changed our bills and coins all the time. Who is on them is not written in stone. There is no reason why they can't or they shouldn't change, not only for security reasons, but also for social and even political ones.
They said that putting her on the bill "disrespects the heritage of the country". I am not even sure what they mean by that. Around the time of the founding fathers, the "heritage" was rich white men who owned slaves. We as a country and as a people have moved beyond that. Why should our money not do the same?
I could see why people could possibly call it a "politically correct" move. But even that term really has a negative stigma attatched to it. Personally, I dont see it as a "PC" move, I see it as honoring a person who did many great things for this country. I can see why they chose Jackson specifically to take off, as he did do some rather.. unsavory things, including signing the act that put the Trail of Tears into motion.
But honestly, most of the people on our bills did unsavory things, that at the time were deemed to be okay- such as owning slaves, so it really could have been anyone that they replaced. But Jackson has been one of the more highly controversial people on the bill, I can see why they chose him over the others.
I could go on more about this, and get into some of the comments that other people left actually defending this person, but I think it's best to just leave it here..
I am interested to see what people think, but PLEASE keep it civil. No personal attacks, please.
One celebrite suggested just print a new bill.
Um...no, not just to put some person on it. Otherwise, you will get EVERYONE wanting their own bill.
Be glad I'm not the one who decides. There'd be Ewok dollars, Figment Fives, Goofy Tens, Mickey twenties, Rocket Raccoon fifties and Stitch hundreds! I know, you can already get most of those as ones at a Disney theme park. I'd make all of our coins animals - mice on pennies, dragon nickels, raccoon dimes, otter quarters and so on!
As long as they don't put Trump on a bill.... That'd make for some rough toilet paper!
Agreed Harriet Tubman did a lot of great things, right up there with quite a many POC during the Civil War and made many contributions to our history. She however did NOT stave off the British in New Orleans and keep us from being taken over by England during the war of 1812
Sorry, I just see this s a token gesture to appease for what we did during our past- If we need to put anyone on our money and apologize and 'make things right' it's the Native Americans.
Oh and anyone making the old Monopoly money joke will have their tails knotted!
personally i don't think anyone's face needs to be on money. i'd rather see a scene from feral nature on one side, and an interesting infrastructure plus architecture scene on the other.
at any rate, tubman or not, i'd love to see jackson dissapear entirely. washington burned indiginous villages and lincoln gave us corporate personhood.
lincoln redeams himself somewhat by what he's better known for. i'm less so sure about that for washington. jackson was basically an american hitler who's only claim to anything supposedly more positive then getting elected was his military success in the war of 1812.
and yes i think tubman is totally cool. i mean if we have to have human faces on the stuff, i'd rather see creative people like frank loyd write and ramond lowry. i like the canadian idea, of indiginous art for the front, and a nature scene on the back. i only knew about the backs. i didn't know the fronts had anything other then a portrait of the queen.
tubman of course is a slap in the face to racists, who need more then their faces slaped. the first is a good thing.
i'd go for putting djongonaweda on one of them somewhere if we have to have faces. and maybe sara winimucca on another. and maybe even wavoka.
we used to have buffalo and eagles on some of the coins. they should be the fronts instead of the backs. wolves and bears and pumas belong on there too.
There is no rule that says a president cant or shouldn't be removed from a bill.
Also what bill are you talking about that they changed the president a lot? The president has always been on the front.
Changing who is on the bill doesn't mean that there is no respect for the president. It is partially for security, its safer to change the bill every so many years to discourage counterfeiters.