Agreed on that note. I'm honestly just glad I dont work today ^^"

I'm all for supporting fallen soldiers, but it's not the job of Dragoneer or nek0gami to tell people to. This is a silly place for silly animal people.

People need to pull there heads out of there perviabal asses and relieve that you don't need a site to celebrate a holiday! WE DO IT ON OUR OWN! HOORAAAY FOR TOWEL DAY, (my last name is Adams so I guess I'm bias, funny thing is my dad is Douglas, lol- no relation)

I am very much partriotic with many friends and family whom died in war but I don't insult a art site for not respecting it, I don't expect it to. People need to get a fracking life!!!!!!!!!

RANT RANT RANT RANT RANT......

Okay, I'm done now.

People are a bunch of whiny babies. All I hear is "WHAAAAAAA". Someone please call the WHAAAmbulance!

You know what, though ? They wouldn't say anything if there was no banner.. if Neer just left the May banner, NO ONE would say "Where's the Memorial Day banner!?" It's just an excuse to feel superior.

I fully agree with you on that.

Yep Your right

I have to be the only one here who respectfully disagrees with this, but I mean there's a difference between making something that will simply honor the memory of someone and doing something completely morbid.
I mean... is it really that bad to have... I dunno... something like a German Shepherd in a military uniform and something in the corner saying "Thank you".
It's not like people are asking for a picture of someone weeping over a gravestone or over the body of a fallen soldier.

And lest we forget that this banner is kind of memorializing the DEATH of Douglas Adams, which does bring the light-heartedness of it, doesn't it?

And it is kind of insulting how people on here are treating this issue as "Oh... people just want to feel superior! They want to complain!" Um... okay, the fact that we want to see something that just honors the fact that people died for your country (and this is not just America, this is for pretty much every country that has a military) makes us feel superior... how?

I wasn't saying it would be morbid, but it will be somber. Like I said, I'm all for supporting fallen soldiers, but it's not the job of Dragoneer or nek0gami to tell people to. This is a silly place for silly animal people. This banner is just that: silly. It's not really memorializing his death, but his life and work.

And I DO think people just want to feel morally superior. If there was no holiday banner, and Neer just left the May banner, no one would care. If he didn't change the banner, no one would ask for a Memorial Day banner. Saying you should have one banner over the other is saying "this is stupid, do it my way instead."

Then by the same reasoning as it is memorializing his life and work, you can say that a banner for Memorial Day is memorializing service of soldiers. Even if this site is meant to be silly, there's plenty of time to be silly... there's about what 364 days worth of silly throughout the year. If you just remind people to take a moment and to think about what braver men have done for them, then really where is the harm in that?

This is all in the realm of hypothetical, though. You don't know... there may have been people who would have taken notice, even if they did leave up the May banner.
And the thing is that there are people who honestly feel about this not because they want to feel superior, but because they ARE people in the military or they ARE people who have members of the family enlisted in the military. I mean, I've heard my grandfather talk about how there are less and less people who are attending the WWII veteran reunions that he goes to and I've heard about how my sister has to cope with the fact her husband, a Navy Officer, is away for months on submarine duty. And I've seen people on this site who are annoyed because they are in the military and they also have family members who are enlisted, and what they want is just a reminder for people, out of the rest of the 364 days of the year, to remember what they did and are doing. That's not anyone who simply wants to feel superior.

It's not Dragoneer's job to remind people it's Memorial Day, and if you need a furry website to tell you to remember soldiers, that's a real problem. I NEVER said that there would be harm in putting up a Memorial Day banner, all I say was that there's no harm in not putting one up. This is SUPPOSE to be a fun, silly website, so Neer went with the fun, silly banner.

It's JUST A BANNER. I'm sick of people saying that the banner is disrespectful. BULLSHIT. That is just a way to make yourself feel morally superior, no matter how you twist it. It is not the duty of this website to remind people it's Memorial Day.. and before you say it's not the duty to remind people it's Towel Day, either - I wouldn't give two shits if there was no Towel Day banner, I just want people to stop complaining.

Sure... it's not the site's "duty" persay, but it is a matter of respect, which runs deeper than an issue of something like whether there should be a fatfur fetish banner for Thanksgiving. It's not someone's duty to be respectful to you on the street, either. It's not a customer's duty to be respectful to the person who works in retail, either.
The fact is that if people feel that someone is being disrespected, especially when it comes to something that many people have emotional ties to such as the military, people will complain. It's their right to complain.

And, listen, this "That is just a way to make yourself feel morally superior" thing is getting to be a bit rude. You are not a psychologist. You are not a mind-reader. You don't know what my personal motivations are for this. You don't know what anyone's motivations are for objecting to this. We could've had an intelligent discussion on disagreeing ideas and then left it at "We'll agree to disagree" compromise, but you are now taking this out of that realm by blanketing everyone who disagrees with your ideas as having some need to compensate for something.
If I wanted to make myself feel superior, I'd go look at the drama queens who have articles on encyclopedia dramatica.

There's a difference between being rude to someone and not putting a banner up. There's a difference between not asking a retail clerk how their day was and acting rude towards them. This is like the former. Dragoneer didn't put up an anti-Memorial Day banner. By comparing it to the latter, you are giving yourself the moral high ground. It's not about motive, it's about twisting the truth.

The lack of an image can speak just as loudly as an image being up there. This might be an extreme example but if you don't give someone a proper burial then it's just as disrespectful as dancing on their casket.
What having this banner over having a Memorial Day banner is sending the message (whether completely unintentionally or just out of the fact that they are actually apathetic to the whole fact) is that we really don't care about what you did. We're taking for granted what you did.
That's the whole purpose of even HAVING a Memorial Day is to remember what someone did an honor it. In fact, there are people who get annoyed that others take Memorial Day for granted, because most people nowadays think of Memorial Day as an extra day to the weekend rather than a day of remembrance.

By blanketing everyone who disagrees with you into one mindset when you don't even know what their real motivations are, you are actually giving yourself the high ground because you are automatically promoting yourself to the position of being "right".

Also, sometimes opinions are harsh. I stick to them anyway.

**There's no difference between me saying you're taking the moral high ground, and you saying you're being disrespected.

I stick to my opinions to, but I also try to treat the other person whom I'm discussing them with in a manner of decency rather than saying...
"Nope! You don't have the motives you say you do! I say what motives you have!"

I'm not saying what you're motive is, I'm saying you're twisting the truth to FIT your motive. It's no different than saying "Nope! You're disrespecting me!" You even said:

"What having this banner over having a Memorial Day banner is sending the message (whether completely unintentionally or just out of the fact that they are actually apathetic to the whole fact) is that we really don't care about what you did. We're taking for granted what you did."

Well, whether intentional or not, you're sending the message that you feel you're morally superior because you care more about soldiers. It's EXACTLY THE SAME. Calling someone disrespectful isn't treating them with decency, it's treating them like a child.

Exactly WHICH truth am I twisting? Is explaining my opinion from my perspective "twisting the truth"?

I don't feel morally superior. I feel I have a different opinion and that opinion is that I wish they would have put up a Memorial Day's banner because I feel it would show more respect for what day it is (or was rather... it's 12:02 AM).
And to me, right now, this is just getting pointless because you are shoving motives and feelings in my mouth, when time could have been spent discussing this in a better manner.
And the difference between Dragoneer and me now is that I am explaining myself and why I feel this way. Dragoneer isn't. Now if tomorrow he posted something on the side-bar saying why there wasn't a Memorial Day banner, then that might be different.

The fact is that you don't lead a discussion saying "You feel morally superior even though you say you aren't!"
You lead a discussion by talking things out in a manner that isn't degrading or pigeon-holing anyone who disagrees with you into the same mindset.

Dragoneer doesn't have to explain himself. Who's to say what he does in his personal life ? It's not fair to say he's disrespectful because he didn't post the right banner.

All I'm trying to say is I don't care what the banner is because it's just a banner. I'm not saying he did - it's extremely unlikely he did - but what if Dragoneer volunteered at a veteran's hospital. Would the banner still be disrespectful then ? You can't say someone is disrespectful for something as trivial as a banner.

You lead a discussion that isn't calling anyone who disagrees with you disrespectful.

You didn't tell me which truth I was twisting.

Generally if you upset people unintentionally or through carelessness you explain your actions. That's the way the real world works.

Okay... so I work in a cat shelter, and then I laugh at a video of someone kicking a cat, and someone calls me out on these actions. I would still have to explain myself and my response would still be something that was disrespectful.
"Trivial as a banner"... images and words have meaning. Sometimes so do the lack of images and words. It's all a part of what someone is communicating, whether they do so intentionally or not. The whole reason we make art is a means of communicating.

Oh good... we're now getting the "No u!" level. What I am simply saying is that I want to explain my opinion without someone blindly calling me "someone who feels morally superior".
And for the record, I've lead plenty of discussions over the internet where the other party and I could discuss matters that didn't end up with the other party going "No matter what you say, you're still -blank-". In return, since I felt the other people were treating me with respect, I felt I didn't need to call them disrespectful.
Half of your arguments have been pretty valid counter-points. The other half have been going "I don't care what you say about yourself or you're feelings! You still feel morally superior!"

Yes I did.

Not necessarily. Ideally, yes. However, sometimes it just never happens.

You wouldn't have to explain it. You don't have to defend yourself to anyone. It's your life, and if you want to laugh then by all means do so. Feelings get hurt everyday, and sometimes no one ever says sorry. THAT is the real world.

Also, if you want, you can think it in a legal sense - the burden of proof isn't on the defendant.

Actually, I'm trying to say that calling someone disrespectful and saying someone is acting morally superior is exactly the same. Meaning I'm trying to say that in that sense, we're both... well, neither right nor wrong, I think. That's more the emotional side of an argument than the logical.

What was it then? I didn't catch it.

The fact is though, when someone is a position of power, such as Dragoneer is, since he is admin, he can't just do things with flagrant disrespect for the feelings of those in the community he runs. (and from what I gather, Dragoneer has a bad history of doing this) People in a position of power are held to a higher standard than everyone else as they should be. They are required to explain themselves because we expect them to act in a better way than the rest of us. After all... we don't expect people like college students to be the President of the United States.

But, I wasn't acting morally superior. I was stating my opinion. If I was acting morally superior I'd be saying "You're wrong because I say so." And those who are more sensitive about the issue because they are in the military or they have relatives in the military aren't acting morally superior when they're saying they want to be remembered. They are sensitive about it because they have to go through something that most of us, thankfully, don't have to go through and they would like to be recognized for it.
Blatantly calling everyone who doesn't agree with you people who have a moral superiority complex... that is somewhat disrespectful because you don't know the background from which everyone comes from.
And what I'm saying is that you can express a differing opinion and say it in a way that doesn't... well... that doesn't pretty much totally dismiss what they say.
You could have simply said "I don't think a Memorial Day Banner doesn't belong on a silly site" instead of adding "Well those who want a Memorial Day banner are simply upset because they need to feel superior." and the discussion would have been more civil.

I actually present my entire argument as proof. Just because Dragoneer didn't post a banner doesn't make him disrespectful. Like I said, you have no proof, just arbitrary claims.

Perhaps, but I think it will more or less be "well, I was trying to remain lighthearted." Would that be good enough for you ?

You don't see what I'm trying to say. I was stating my opinion, too. Your opinion was that Dragoneer is disrespectful. My opinion is that you are acting morally superior. Saying people who disagree with you are disrespectful is no better then saying anyone who disagrees with me has a moral superiority complex. [By the way, I don't think it's a complex. Everyone gets offended, and when they do they tend to take the moral high ground. Everyone does it.] Both claims make a judgment on character.

I have relatives in the military, too.

And I've made a counter-point to all of your arguments. I still don't see how that's twisting the truth... all it shows is that we have different perspectives.

I wouldn't still be entirely in agreement with his explanation, but it would be a good move on his part yes. I would be satisfied if he said that.

I say that this discussion could have entirely taken place without the accusation of being morally superior.
And I never said that you were disrespectful BECAUSE you don't agree with me. I believe people have the right to different opinions, and that other people have the right to disagree. The point I felt was disrespectful was just saying that everyone who did not agree with you on this point was just doing it to feel superior. It's a difference between making a judgment based on someone's unknown motivations and making a judgment based on the actions and words that a person concretely speaks on the internet.

I feel that people who get offended to get offended do take the moral high ground. Those, though, who have a valid reason to be offended have a valid point which is just more than "them taking the high ground".

Then tell them to keep up the good work.

Personally, I'm going to move on and forget about all this because I'm really tired of this argument.

As any time in management will tell you, people have no idea what they want. They do, however, know crystally clear what they don't want.

Everything.

xP