An apology to commissioners..
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(Sorry also, if this journal winds up being long or rambling)
I am deeply sorry for the excessive delays in getting work to some of you.
I'm so embarrassed that my progress is so slow. ;-;
I really don't like to give out excuses or sob stories, I prefer to just try and get things done, but this has gotten bad, and I know some of you know about my on-going neck and spinal problems. It has its good (well,.. functioning) and bad days. I've had it non-stop since early January 2015, however the last several months especially, the severity has only gotten worse and I've had to take a lot of time in bed on painkillers due to the pain. I couldn't even sit at my pc at all to do a few emails, never mind to work on art for long periods of time. On top of that I keep pushing myself too hard because I so desperately want to get art done for the people it is owed. ;-;
I love art so much and yet keep have the feeling that eventually this will get so bad I wont be able to proceed any more, and this,along with a few other factors, has lead to some pretty severe bouts of depression. It just compounds my ability to get art done in any reasonable time frame. A vicious cycle.
I've been sent from gp to gp, to physio and the spinal clinic and back again, as well as a chiropractor. The GP's and spinal clinic have given me no real diagnosis as to what's going on. All I've been given are a few possibilities from when my chiropractor has shown me. some kind of degeneration in my upper neck and lower spine, so some kind of arthritis (though he didn't specify what kind, only just he hasn't really seen it like this in someone my age, only in people who are 70+) a pelvic tilt (which i think is fairly common and not the worst source of pain I'm experiencing), as well as minor scoliosis, a deformity(some kind of loop?) in the vertebrae that connects to my skull, and finally the vertebrae at the base of my neck is skewed, an effect of carrying a pretty big chest apparently.
So it seems my spine and neck are kind of a mess ;-;
I'm not really certain what I should do in this case. I fully intend to try and pull through and get all my workload done, however long that might take. However I also realize some people may not be totally comfortable with waiting even longer. And I feel totally awful for that.
Should I offer, or would any one want, refunds? Realistically that might be difficult to do, but I'd be willing to talk with folks if that's a route some want to go.
Or are people generally okay to wait if they have some kind of update?
Are there any other suggestions or routes I can take to make you, my commissioners happy in this situation?
Again, I cant apologize enough for the delays and length of time my work for you has taken.
And I hope this journal hasn't been too much of a jumbled up ramble x.x
I am deeply sorry for the excessive delays in getting work to some of you.
I'm so embarrassed that my progress is so slow. ;-;
I really don't like to give out excuses or sob stories, I prefer to just try and get things done, but this has gotten bad, and I know some of you know about my on-going neck and spinal problems. It has its good (well,.. functioning) and bad days. I've had it non-stop since early January 2015, however the last several months especially, the severity has only gotten worse and I've had to take a lot of time in bed on painkillers due to the pain. I couldn't even sit at my pc at all to do a few emails, never mind to work on art for long periods of time. On top of that I keep pushing myself too hard because I so desperately want to get art done for the people it is owed. ;-;
I love art so much and yet keep have the feeling that eventually this will get so bad I wont be able to proceed any more, and this,along with a few other factors, has lead to some pretty severe bouts of depression. It just compounds my ability to get art done in any reasonable time frame. A vicious cycle.
I've been sent from gp to gp, to physio and the spinal clinic and back again, as well as a chiropractor. The GP's and spinal clinic have given me no real diagnosis as to what's going on. All I've been given are a few possibilities from when my chiropractor has shown me. some kind of degeneration in my upper neck and lower spine, so some kind of arthritis (though he didn't specify what kind, only just he hasn't really seen it like this in someone my age, only in people who are 70+) a pelvic tilt (which i think is fairly common and not the worst source of pain I'm experiencing), as well as minor scoliosis, a deformity(some kind of loop?) in the vertebrae that connects to my skull, and finally the vertebrae at the base of my neck is skewed, an effect of carrying a pretty big chest apparently.
So it seems my spine and neck are kind of a mess ;-;
I'm not really certain what I should do in this case. I fully intend to try and pull through and get all my workload done, however long that might take. However I also realize some people may not be totally comfortable with waiting even longer. And I feel totally awful for that.
Should I offer, or would any one want, refunds? Realistically that might be difficult to do, but I'd be willing to talk with folks if that's a route some want to go.
Or are people generally okay to wait if they have some kind of update?
Are there any other suggestions or routes I can take to make you, my commissioners happy in this situation?
Again, I cant apologize enough for the delays and length of time my work for you has taken.
And I hope this journal hasn't been too much of a jumbled up ramble x.x
Many chiropractors are skilled and experienced therapists, and have a good instinct for what works. However, it pays to be wary, because chiropractic therapy is not based on any valid scientific theory. No-one has ever demonstrated the existence of subluxations or whatever. There is ambiguous evidence for the effectiveness of spinal manipulation, with some studies showing an improvement and some not.
if the spinal clinic and your GP have not found anything wrong it means that there is nothing structurally wrong with your back (i.e. prolapsed disks, arthritis, tumour, compressed nerves etc). It is a soft tissue problem, which means that you have not done yourself any damage which can't be fixed.
As for degeneration of the spine and scoliosis - you may well have them. But lots of other people do and neither will prevent you from getting better (did you know that Usain Bolt has scoliosis).
The thing which got me back on my feet is exercise. The benefits of exercise are: strengthening and growth of the muscles supports the joints which are under stress, lessening any biomechanical problems. Also, exercise is a wonderful cure for depression. And as a bonus you will probably find that symptoms of RSI will be reduced.
Sadly all of us are getting older and wear and tear on the body cannot be avoided. But there's no reason you can't go back to being (mostly) well again.
Hope this helps,
Fox xxx
The thing is he's the only one whose actually x-rayed me and seemed to give me the time of day to look into what is going on with my body. Unfortunately,as far as gps and such are concerned it seems to be that I'm in pain, yes, but I can move so its not a big deal. They haven't taken any xrays or sent me for any kind of scans. I could be wrong of course, but you'd think they'd want to know before sending me to physiotherapy. Couldn't that make some things worse if there's something not diagnosed? o3o That sort of approach doesn't seem very effective to me ^^
I do however several pages of exercises given to me from physio and the chiropractor. (as they seem to be on a similar page as far as what i should be doing, at least). On top of an already have a very physical job and additional exercises I do at home. Some how though the pain only ever seems to be getting worse, so I dont know where I am going wrong ;-;
Do you think you could not me or such about the kinds of exercise you have done, and how much?
Unfortunately it doesn't happen too much lately due to having to be at the pc ;-;
When I am at the pc, Im usually just generally using it to get the commission work done.
I hope you're holding up okay though?
Evaluate your current work capacity honestly, set solid deadlines for yourself based on the age of the commissions, and determine realistically what you can and cannot do. Then contact people starting from the oldest waiting to communicate clearly. They don't need to know about your medical conditions. People who see your stuff on FA and crow over it are fans. The moment there's money involved, it's business and should be treated that way otherwise you're in for soooo much more potential strife and sadness than you want
There are more legal proceedings being taken against deadbeat artists lately and a higher concentration to be expected. And before any cries of "But I'm not a deadbeat!" come forward: Did you accept consideration (payment) for a service or product that you have not provided in a reasonable time? If yes, then it's a deadbeat. It makes me somewhat sad that furry has gone from word of mouth for catching folks to AB to now the federal government is getting involved over tax evasions and wire fraud. O.o That decent artist who suddenly just stopped posting on their FA account without warning? May be in federal jail. Look up federal court records that mention FurAffinity.net and it's a bit of a shock, but unless you dig for it, you never realize just how dangerous it can be.
So again, Yes. Be honest with yourself and communicate without guilt trips. Even eviction would be less-bad than several of the possibilities.
I think its also important for other people who are interested in my work, or would like to one day commission me, (hell, even people who just want to know why i post so rarely) to know what's going on with me and where things stand.
It definitely wasn't written in a passive aggressive manner or intended as such, or to be self-victimising or even guilt-tripping. Sorry if it comes across that way at all. ^^
Explain to your fans in personal detail if you like. For business transactions, best to keep it professional when possible otherwise it's a slippery slope to trouble.
As for the “professionalism” of it all, well, I’m going to borrow what Trace said below because he more or less summed it up perfectly: “If a commissioner were told weeks in they were going to get a refund without explanation, that would be off-putting. UV is doing the right thing by explaining her situation and taking appropriate measures to remedy it for her commissioners.”
I could just finish with a “mic drop” after that but I’m not done here yet. UVs terms of services are a matter for her and her clients and as I’ve yet to see her appear on anyone’s shitlist I’m going to assume that they are fair and she treats her customers well. Did you consider that some people may not want refunds? That they are perfectly happy just to wait it out? I mean it’s hardly a life or death situation is it.
Once again you’re spewing things without any rhyme or reason.
Oh and Uv, don’t apologise for something you clearly didn’t do.
PS. “mic drop”
For the record, yes I am sympathetic to health issues. It's just a matter that they should not mix with business parts in the vast majority of cases unless you want to preclude a subset of commissioners. If you're fully aware that the actions have that effect and fine with it, then you're set.
This next bit takes the cake though, almost as much as you’re taking the piss. You are not sympathetic to health issues and you damn well know it.
Ladies and gentlemen, don’t be fooled here. He’s tried to sneakily edit his original post with the naïve hope that we wouldn’t notice.
How does saying, on a post where someone is informing people of a fairly serious medical condition, that getting evicted is the least of their worries? For the love of all that is good and holy: Stop lying! You don’t care one bit; you showed your hand before and trying to remove the proof isn’t going to make people forget that!
You’re telling her to evaluate her work capacity. Did you stop to think that she’s probably already doing that and that this journal is in fact a way of announcing that she’ll be slowing down until her health issue is resolved? Communicate clearly? I believe everything is summed up above: “There will be an additional wait, if that bothers you, please contact me and we’ll work something out”. I think most sane people would accept that as a perfectly “business-like” proposal.
And now we come to my FAVOURITE part. For some reason that defies all sense and logic, you come in swinging words like “federal”, “jail” and “tax evasion” as if you were trying to expose the next Enron. Now maybe I’ve missed something but it seems to me that she’s just trying to make a living off of art, not work her way into the next edition of the Panama Papers. In all seriousness though, how in the world did you get from her trying to keep her commissioners in the loop about some fairly grievous health issues she’s having, to grand larceny? Please, do explain your thought process to us all. I’m sure it’ll make for a riveting read because as it stands I can’t fathom how you got from A to B. Long story short: this paragraph is just hilarious. Do you think anyone is actually going to take you seriously?
Anyways, all that dribble aside, allow me rebut: Did you ever consider for a second that your message is in fact hugely hypocritical? Does it not seem possible that YOU are the one being passive aggressive here? Using your convoluted and laughable “advice” to more or less calling her a criminal and a deadbeat? Because that’s what it seems like to me and I’ll wager I’m not the only one.
Oh, and before I finish. Someone says that they have a serious medical condition and you find nothing better to say then “eviction is the least of your worries”?
Are you for real?
* https://www.gov.uk/browse/business/business-tax
** https://www.gov.uk/government/publi.....rrent-and-past
*** http://www.a4id.org/sites/default/f.....ntract-law.pdf
**** http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/4ff76fa0-.....211ea5317.html
Nobody. Not even me, as you imply.
You did read my original post, right? The statement was that "furry" is ending up with government involvement over the items.
The post you replied to was in response to the post that implied that "because she's in Britain, there is no wrongdoing" and was simply pointing out that that part of the world has applicable laws too. There is no statement that any particular person is or is not following those laws, Knowing whether one has opened themselves up to tax or contract or other liability is the responsibility of the person engaged in business.
Nobody. Not even me, as you imply.
Well ACTUALLY you kind of are.
I mean, this was never a question of taxes before you intervened. So I see two possible reasons for your outburst. Either you absolutely LOVE tax matters, and I mean to the point where you have to instantly tell everyone everything there is to know about the matter…even on subjects where it’s so totally out of context like this one here OR you are blatantly trying to insinuate that the person in question is committing tax evasion. And when I look back at your original post (still a great read by the way) I’m definitely guessing that it’s the latter.
Don’t think you’re fooling anyone.
This is an underhanded implication directly against you due to the fact that I'm expressing a specific thing that I can, as an observer, have an opinion about you on. (And mind you, unwarranted and in example only. See the third segment.)
"It's very important to take good care of your health. It worries me that a lot of furries are not seeing the doctor these days when they really should and end up with complications that can be life-threatening. It used to be that you would mostly only see journals of people seeing the doctor and doing well afterward or being in treatment. Now you see journals of people saying they have a medical condition, but not seeing the doctor. Then a week later, they say they got out of the ER for what they ignored a week ago."
This is not an implication against you specifically. I have zero way of knowing your physical state. That is a statement. It is followed by supporting information.
"Proper communication requires two entities to interact. There is never a fault on only one side or another. As such, rather than taking offense, get or provide clarification. Written communication especially is prone to missing the mark due to the lack of numerous normal communicative hints that are then otherwise filled in by the reading party based on numerous factors, however the fill ins may not be in the spirit or intent of the origin of the communication."
That is the reason I offer the below.
The intent of the original communication was not to imply that a specific person or persons was/were doing a specific thing/things. It was a statement of the concept that by law, once money gets involved, it's very likely considered a business and subject to new legal requirements. It then has cautionary supporting evidence of the perils of ignoring this observation.
Please notice that UV herself understood and communicated well and did not take a hostile tone. She did it right. Other folks? Perhaps not. The whole ruckus in this thread was created by folks who do not have a stake in the issue directly and who jumped in to attack.
As per usual I’m going to try and break this down as best I can. I’ll admit you don’t make it easy for me. Sometimes I think you’re just throwing random curveballs in there to throw me off track but then I tell myself you’re not really capable of that.
First of all, you seem to be accusing us of not grasping the message you’re trying to convey. That’s fine; you are indeed entitled to your opinion on someone. But in this case here’s my opinion of you: you’re back peddling. You’ve realized that your thinly veiled accusations are so laughable transparent and now you’re desperately trying to save face by trying to place yourself above everyone else on some sort of intellectual pedestal. But here’s the thing pal: Turns out that pedestal is about as flimsy as your discourse and all you’re likely to do is fall down into the hole you’re currently digging for yourself.
You see, most of us don’t have to rely on hastily constructed bullshit to try and prop up a weak argument. Most of us think before we let word s leave our mouth, or fingers, whatever. When we make arguments, defend a point of view, we come forward with proof. Now, one could easily argue that your original statement was riddled with accusations. It’s not hard, most individuals with half a brain can see that. But you seem to not want to face the facts so let’s escalate this.
You say that you’re post was never meant to be accusing nor derogatory. However, all one has to do is take one look at your user page and, low and behold what do we find? A journal. One that seems to of been published just after your first comment here. In it, with an attitude that I can only describe as “a whiney child having a tantrum” you are blatantly referring to the accusations that we’re accusing you of leveling here.
Here’s an extract of the text in question:
“Anyway, I wanted to let you know that I've been... lessee... I used sick a lot recently... run out of cats to have die... Used up all my family that I can possibly have die... Ummm... Yes! I've been burned by solar flares and my brain waves are not in an arty mood right now, so I'm really sorry. I'm going to ask if I should offer refunds because I know that there are enough rabid fans out there and suckers... er... nice people who are thrilled to hand me money and never get anything for it that the majority will say no, they'll just wait. And anybody who doesn't will be ripped to shreds by my rabid fans anyway. so they won't matter. I mean, sure, really I should like DO something for the money that you all gave me, but it's honestly just easier to not do it and throw out a story like this instead.”
-Charix, May 9th 2016
(And that’s how you quote someone correctly, by the way)
So riddle me this. If you are innocent of all charges, would you care to explain this journal? You seem to think that you’re a smart guy so I’m sure you’ll come up with something that will give me a chuckle. I like to think I’m a helpful person so here’s another tip for you: It’s best not to accuse people of not understanding you when your intentions are pretty damn clear. If you want to retain even a shred of credibility in a conversation, don’t say one thing and do another, thinking that people won’t notice.
Next up we have this statement about how you, or someone else (once again I can’t really tell), is worried about how furries don’t take care of themselves. At first I thought, is he referring to UV? Obviously not as she has shown a pretty in depth understanding about what’s wrong with her and definitely seems like she’s trying to sort it out. So that rules her out. Then I’m thinking that you’re directing this at Vader, but hey, you event specifically said that that wasn’t the case. Despite the fact that who this could therefore be directed at or what its relevance is escapes me we all know you’d NEVER indirectly accuse someone like that, would you? :)
Anyways, apparently this is followed by some supporting information so let’s see about that first before jumping to any conclusions shall we?
I’m actually in agreement with you on the next “quote”, I don’t know who wrote that but they seemed to have a good grasp of the subject. I don’t know if you do though. Yes written communication lacks the visual or tonal indicators of a normal conversation. And yes we do fill in those blanks with other elements. The problem with your statement, and the way I’m going to turn it against you, is that you seem to fail to understand just what we fill those blanks in with. In your case they’re filled with so much shit it’s pretty hard not to miss the point of your original statement. I do always try and give people the benefit of the doubt but I think I’m pretty on point with my assumption of you and judging by the fact that everyone else seems to be supporting my point of view, and nobody has yet manifested themselves in your defence…I think that’s all that needs to be said.
Anyways, back to the subject of human interaction and I’ll explain this using a simple anecdote as past attempts to get this point across don’t seem to of had the desired effect. When I go and buy bread, I generally have a bit of a chat with the baker. She’s quite the interesting lady and, contrary to you, knows how to put an argument together. We’ve even discussed tough subjects like politics and such before, but here’s the thing. Whatever we’re talking it about, whether be it the state of the European Union or how the croissants smell particularly good that morning, I don’t suddenly blurt out warnings about the issues of gluten consumption do I? Yes business this, not paying taxes that, federal jail, etc, etc, but do you really think that was relevant to the subject? Can you not grasp that your words were so extreme in their irrelevance that the only logical conclusion is that you’re passive aggressively venting your own distaste/grudge for artists (please don’t argue with me on this, I’ll only smack you down again, just go look at your journals) or it’s actually YOU that have a SERIOUS issue with basic human interaction. I’ll let you ponder that for a while before we move on.
I think everyone noticed UVs response, she did the smart thing and played it diplomatically even if the downside was that she gave you way more credit then you’re due. Me and others however, we are not bound by such constraints. I see bullshit, I call bullshit and that’s what’s gotten you into your current predicament. You see, this is how it works: People post a massive amount of crap on the net. A lot of it doesn’t affect us so we let it slide. We’ll only really react to things that interest or concern us. In this case, you’ve come to the page of a dear friend of mine spouting a monumental amount of crap and if you think I’m going to sit down and just let you do that then you are sorely mistaken.
Your use of the phrase “jumping in to attack” is classic misdirection. Do I really need to point out that you fired the first shots? If anything have the decency to call it a counter attack. But whatever you want to call it, it doesn’t change the fact that it’s irrelevant. I don’t know you, I really don’t give a damn who you are or what you do. If it wasn’t for your unsightly and unprovoked altercation here I would have been happy to go on being totally oblivious to your existence. Why say this? Because I don’t care about attacking you. As far as I see it, you’re actually doing a great job of that yourself. No, my goal is to discredit you. I don’t want people coming here and thinking that you’re right when you’re oh so very wrong. You come up with some nonsense; I reply and put you in your place. It’s as simple as that.
You have two choices here: you can either try and salvage what’s left of your dignity or just keep on digging your hole, in which case I am more than happy to continue throwing dirt on top.
Oh, and by the way; I don’t really give a damn if you reply to me directly or not, but FYI, if we follow the same logic, this more or less means you’re conceding that I’m right and you know it. So please keep it up, I’m not fussed and it’s not like it’s going to stop me :)
Rabid fan much?
They are also super convenient, cause you don't need any facts on your side to make them and can later claim "Whaaat, me? No, I never said that at all~".
Funny how the one person who seems to have a problem with this is someone who isn't even waiting for a commission.
If a commissioner were told weeks in they were going to get a refund without explanation, that would be off-putting. UV is doing the right thing by explaining her situation and taking appropriate measures to remedy it for her commissioners.
Where in the world were you going with your detour about tax-evasion? It has nothing to do with the subject at hand and seems more like passive-aggressive threat.
Do everyone a favor and hold your tongue next time you feel a need to lash out at an artist publicly. If you have a legitimate concern, take it to them through IMs -- don't get on your soapbox and exacerbate situations.
Your final line is ironic to a degree. Would be more so if the words "an artist" were not in it. It still applies at that point and would be good advice for you.
UV responded well.
Other folks, less so.
But you're absolutely right about one thing -- I'll step down and let you have the soapbox to yourself now.
Words cannot come out of my mouth as I have no idea what you're going through.
What I want to say is that with all of what you've done you've made (at least) one person very very happy to be part of this community.
Your art is beautiful, unique, lewd, amazing in quality ... I mean basically visual drugs to me.
I sincerely hope you only get better. You of all people do NOT deserve pain nor discomfort.
I've only ever heard great things of you and I can safely say you're an amazing person to me and I wish I could somehow help with all of this.
Stay strong UV, you're one of my favorite people on this planet (doubt I could brown nose more, I apologize -- dont want to be one of _those_ types) and I hope I get to interact with you and hopefully see your artwork too for many many many more years to come.
Oh and please ignore my message I sent on Patreon. All I want for you is to relax and keep doing what you do.
Youre always so kind to me, and believe me, even on the days its bad, the kindness of yourself and some of my other friends and fans, has always brightened my days and helped to remind me what it is I love about art and about this community <3
Youre amazing :)
And as for those notes, dont worry in the least bit, maybe one day, ill have gotten things at a more manageable level and I can do some thing for you. :)<3
You're worth every cent.
And on the contrary, YOU are the amazing one. :)
How would I know? My mother had those issues. A majority of them went away after a breast reduction surgery. It might sound extreme, but it was a matter of health and staying healthy took priority for her.
I'm not saying you should do it first thing, heavens no if it can be avoided, just that you may, eventually, come to face that possibility that your breasts are trying to kill you, and you might have to kill them back.
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I've in fact considered a reduction several times. But its still that's very much a last resort, for various reasons, but I'm also highly terrified of any kind of surgery XD
So it would be the -very- last resort. x.x
Seems Im on the slowest road possible though XD I've been waiting 3-4 months just to get a date for physiotherapy. XD
I do hope this helps, would love to have you well and enjoying art again without pain.
Currently Im waiting on them to give me a date for new physio, but they seem to be taking their sweet time x.x
And thank you very much, I hope Ill get there again, I miss just being able to sit enjoy doing art without pain.
The spinal clinic seemed to think I should go to physio therapy before having any kind of scans or xrays done. Im no professional, but keeps feeling like actual doctors rather avoid diagnosing me. x.x
However an xray was the first thing my chiro did, and he showed me another xray for comparison. The problems were all fairly visible.
As for surgery, it is an absolute last resort in a worst case scenario where other methods are not helping and the conditions keep regressing.
1. a spinal specialist (legit doctor and not just a chiropractor) to take and/or examine the previously taken x-rays. The goal is a single diagnosis that makes sense!
2. Physical Therapy / yoga (they borrow poses and exercises from each other). Knowing what the problem is will make it easier to figure out what you need. Try this first, surgery as last resort, I say.
Being physically active helps, BUT, you can physically active yourself into the ground, while the correct exercises (and they are NOT always obvious) will reduce the problem and allow higher levels of pain-free physical activity. There is a difference, a night-and-day level difference!
3. My computer is on the floor so I can lay down and use it.
Right now the most I can do is focus on the exercises Ive been given while I wait for my physiotherapy date.
I just look forward to getting better and being able to do stuff again without upsetting my dumb spine XD