True, but still, there are too many "Super Mario Bros." game, that the latest one (World, the one with cat suit) is dull. I just wish Nintendo drop that formula and moved on already.

simple question, how?.

Create the NEW formula. That's how.

Ah, gotta love that vagueness. It's almost like you have no idea what you're talking about.

What? You love that series so much? Well, congratulation! Now stay the hell away from me!

I personally think nintendo has what it takes to pull it off, however they need better guidance, what they nee now more than anything is a new Satoru Iwata like or at least keep his philosophies alive.

And it's getting bored each releasing game. "New Super Mario Bros. World" easily lullaby me to sleep as soon as I reached second stage. It has to stopped already. The only good "Super Mario Bros." was back in NES/SNES days, and that's it. Each and every "Super Mario Bros." after Nintendo 64 are deadmeat.

Their relying way too much on nostalgia, back in the day they MADE the classics instead of just reminding you that they existed. Nintendo needs to change things up and stop being so old fashioned all the time, they were the last to ditch cartridges and the last to go online history may repeat itself again.

And they just remade NES console recently. So yeah, it's time for them to ditch the old shit and going for new future.

Same thing go with Sakurai, who kept Captain Falcon and Ness in fourth Smash Bros. - Ness's story is over, like at least decade ago, and Captain Falcon's all imposter and made up the false moves, all but his "Falcon Punch", which is legal in the cartoon show and is real predator's move in reality world. To be honest, SSB4 is deadmeat and deadbeat - too many clones, too many deadbeat characters that worth nothing to a penny. If I had a preference, it's Melee version. Fewer clones, better challenge to unlocking, right balance of difficult, and the Adventure Mode is still around. Brawl's alright, but unlocking the characters went down the hill. Then coming in SSB4. Sakurai need to get his shit pull together, otherwise, he's a dumb director for SSB series.

Create new ips. Your argument has one flaw, one of the main complaints nintendo gets is the same complaint, cod, asscreed, sports, etc get as well which is people are tired of it and want some new things. Nintendo showed they can make money making new ips, just look at splatoon. But they're too use to playing it safe so that's why we see maybe 1 new ip per console. That means every 4-5 years we finally see something completely new from nintendo. But at the same time people have been bitching about the same thing with a lot of other yearly titles, they want those developers to just make new shit already.

Here are all the new IPs developed (aka made by the company themselves) since I've been born (1990) from the three companies people say need to make new shit. Though please be sure to note that Nintendo is like 10 times the size of Ubisoft Montreal or Infinity Ward. I listed what are popular Spin Offs because I don't want people confusing those as new ips. They're just spin offs of already established stuff. This also has nothing to do with Quality of games. My complaint is new ips.

SNES: F-Zero (1991), Star Fox (1993)

Popular Spin-off Ips: Yoshi's Island, Super Mario Kart

N64: None

Popular Spin offs: Pokémon Stadium, Mario Party, Paper Mario, Smash Bros

Gamecube: Pikman (2001), Animal Crossing (2001)

Wii: None

Spin Off: WarioWare

Wii U: Splatoon (2015)

Spin off: Mario Maker, Hyrule Warriors

Switch: TBA

Handhelds:

Gameboy: None (Game Freak made pokemon)

Gameboy Advance: None (Fire Emblem and Advance Wars made by Intelligent Systems)

DS: Brain Age (2005), Rhythm Heaven, Elite Beat Agents (2006)

3DS: tomodachi Life (2013)

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Ubisoft Montreal (made asscreed):
Splinter Cell (2002)
AssCreed (2007)
Watch Dogs (2014)
For Honor (2017)

Spin offs:
Rainbow Six (Showed up at 3)
Prince of Persia (reboot series in 2003. Not original creators)
Far Cry (1 was made by Crytek)

Infinity Ward
Just Call of Duty since 2003, though they didn't make all of them.

You forgot Wave Race, and Pilot Wings.

It's "3D" World with the Cat Suit.

mmm Catsuit .

Whatever, it's dull, bored, deadbeat game. If Nintendo want me interesting in, it's time for them to MOVE ON!

And if you enjoyed that piece of shit, then get off my lawn!

I have NOTHING left to say then. so ha!

I never quite got that complaint from people. What makes games like Mario and other Nintendo franchises great is the fact that they took the time to refine their core game play and stick to it, while adding newer things and occasionally trying something different. When you get a Mario game, you're buying it for what it is, a platformer with power-ups and colorful characters. You expect these things, as that's what Nintendo has built up over the years. It may get dull to some who have stuck with the series for a looooooong time, but that's why some times you give game series a break until you get that desire to play that formula again. This rings true with all game series. Fans of a series like a particular series because they heavily enjoy the formula they've built up. If you want a new formula, play a different game.

Remember when they try to "upgrade" Mario's universe?: https://youtu.be/tAqoB17yQqY
Man! the 90's was weird!

http://www.nintendo.com/games/detai.....tion-force-3ds

haven't played it, but they did make something! the last metroid i played seriously was hunters, and i really liked what they did with the campaign and multiplayer, even if sylux was the most obnoxiously broken hunter ever... i tried to play spire so hard, but in the end i gave in, switched to sylux, and started mauling people

I agree, Nindendo reuses there main characters for there main game type from generation to genration.
While CoD feels on the other hand very much like you have the same game in front of you with a few cosmetic changes here and there.

Exactly this, CoD has basically stagnated for a long time now and at this point it's more like a sports game in the sense that there's no actual change fro game to game with the exception of an updated roster and or minor graphical changes.

zelda evolved quite nicely over the years, imo. i love that i can count on hours of dungeon crawls and puzzles, but the worlds, stories, and items (save for sword, bow, and bombs) change with each game. sure, i know im going to defeat ganon at the end, but the journey is different every time

OK Nintendo has been doing this for 30 years why would they Change something that's not broke their is not to much of Mario and link games all of them were good no not counting Mario pretty school Mario time machine Mario is missing and now these next ones are not made by Nintendo at all the cdi Mario hotel and the Zelda cdi other than that let's look at cod past the first cod on the ps1 I didn't get to play it but cod and medal of Horner were so close I'm going to use that as a comparison I didn't like it now let's go to ps2 cod 1 I didn't play it cod 2 the big red one I didn't like it at all and holey dame it was good cod waw it was good Xbox 360 cod Modern Warfare it was OK pod modern warfare 2 oh my god it was awesome cod modern warfare 3 ehhhh ...I kinda liked it. ...I'm getting off track Nintendo is ment for old school gamers these new gamers all they want to gore and blood and guts hanging out and that's not Nintendo games at all Nintendo games are ment for the entire family to play and cod hasn't been doing anything new ether you got to save the world kill this guy no him wait he is working with him now kill both of them and yes this is my opinion every gamer has a opinion and no I'm not bashing cod or Nintendo I love Nintendo no am I hating on your guys opinion

For the record, I will say gaming isn't that good today. The only game I'm looking forward to is Yooka-Laylee, and that's coming out next year!

And to add hot selling Mario games the original Mario Bros for the nes doki doki panic I mean Mario 2 Mario Bros 3 snes now Mario rpg legend of the 7 grand master stars Mario paint Mario world 1 and 2 yoshi Island super Mario all star witch had all the Mario Bros and the real Mario Bros 2 game boy super Mario land I don't know many games on game boy hell the game boy game boy advanced so is enough to say because they were awesome anyway the Nintendo 64 Mario 64 Mario kart and smash Bros and paper mario Mario party the Nintendo GameCube Mario party Mario kart double dash Luigi mansion super Mario sunshine paper Mario smash Bros melee the Nintendo wii smash brother brawl Mario kart paper Mario Mario party new super Mario Bros and the bs new super Mario Bros the wii u super Mario maker Mario super smash bro u new super Luigi all u said is all very good Nintendo games

I have to agree with you all on both accounts. Personally, I cannot say whether COD is good or bad because I never played it. and to be honest, I don't really want to. Not that I consider bad, it's just that it never really interested me. Mario and Zelda are practically Nintendo's biggest cash cows. They are at least adding something new to their stuff. COD (from what I have been hearing by a lot of people) does not.

Now one one side, it would be nice for Nintendo to add something new to their library of games, but their focus from this point is finding new ways to play games. Which I guess make sit clear that they are trying to stay out of the console wars between Sony and Microsoft (and as primarily a console console fan...I do get tired of that bullshit) One things for sure though, Nintendo to y knowledge seems to be doing fine with what their making. They could try to make some more new stuff as well. But one thing might be true, Cod doesn't look to be trying anything new anytime soon.

I'm a little confused and curious as to what this is a bout? Can I ask what's behind this?

He already explained it quite clearly, but Cowadoody fans are mad that people are making fun of Infinite Borefare, so they're attacking Mario and Zelda.

The saddest part of this whole thing is that Nintendo fans actually have a rational argument they can use--but Shocking's probably the only one who's going to use it because snark and bickering are so much easier.

Personally I'm not a fan of nintendo. I never really have been. I think they're too stuck in the past and too focused on keeping the same formula because they know it makes them money. It's fine to keep to tradition to an extent but you shouldn't let it halt your growth.

Call of duty and the like aren't any better, but people forget that this is a business and much like movies there are studios that just want to make a buck, not wow us.

I'm technically an old gamer now, I've been around when the SNES was new and all, but I don't let nostalgia rose tint my world or views. Having gone back to play older games, I can say that a lot of our mental "masterpieces" weren't as great as we first enjoyed them to be.

Are there amazing old games, that's for certain, but nintendo isn't this peak of godhood that a lot of the fans treat it to be. And what makes it worse in my opinion for Nintendo is that they're both a developer and a publisher.

Example, Ubisoft and Infinity Ward don't make consoles. They don't publish games. They don't distribute games. They're a development team for hire to who ever has the biggest offer. But that comes at a cost, the loss of freedom. Kojima is an example of this, he worked for Konami and made metal gear which is a great series. But for years, he wanted the series to end and make something new but his boss Konami forbade it. Metal gear makes money, make more of that instead they would demand so for him it was either quit and let someone else control his creation or stick around and handle it himself. So he stuck around and made more but eventually did quit and now we're getting Metal Gear Survive.

Now Nintendo doesn't have this problem, Nintendo is both its boss and it's staff. They make games and even the consoles said games are distributed on. So they have complete freedom to do what they want. If they want to spend the next 10 years making phone games, they can. If they want to spend a decade making only new ips, they can. But they don't, not from a lack of freedom bit a fear of loss profits. People are hesitant of the new so not many take the risk. Nintendo knows this, and because of that they release Mario and mario, zelda after zelda, because people love sequels and sequels are safe. It's entirely about money, for both nintendo and smaller developers. So nintendo has thr power to set an example, which they do every 5 years or so, but not enough to really teach the industry that it could do better.

That's one of the reasons why I don't like nintendo, besides their games just never interesting me too much. Do I play call of duty games? Sure, occasionally. I mostly rent them because I know better but I'm willing to give them a shot. Do I play nintendo games? Not really, mostly cause I don't own their consoles anymore besides the 3DS but if they gave me something to be interested in I would.

It's silly in this day and age to limit yourself to one mindset. Oh shooters are bad cause its all gray and blood. Oh nintendo games are bad cause they're meant for kids. It doesn't matter, what matters is what enjoyment you get out of the game. If I can play Call of duty, Pokémon X, Resident Evil, Dragon Ball Z, and smash all in the same month which I have, does that show that I have a bias to any one thing? No, it shows that we can have both and enjoy both without the issues we create for ourselves.

Nintendo always has built an excellent core game while making it able to accept plug-ins like mad. Nintendo knows that the spirit animal of the gaming industry is the Toy Maker. The vast majority of their games are actually fun to play. Hell when Splatoon was shown at E3, the CoDs, the Halos, and others were immediately ignored because of Splatoon's incredible zaniness.

If anything, Nintendo is more or less going Disney: have the franchises that can be milked to be the main money supply while other games are more or less tests for new and incredible things.

Zll i can really say is that people shouldn't shit on other franchises to defend their own. There's good games and bad games, franchises shouldn't matter but the quality of what game you play whether or not it's the same game released year after year.

And if you do see a shitty game released these days, there's plenty of reviews and opinions on the internet to help you decide if a game is good or not.

Remember that bad games have one redeeming quality. You don't have to play them if you don't want to.