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A 'Why Do People Do This?' Discussion
9 years ago
So, I've noticed something that's been happening around here, and while this is not something that has happened to me (yet), I wanted to try and have a conversation about it. I'm not pointing fingers at anyone in particular, this is just something that completely bewilders me, and I wanted some input on it.
Let's say an artist draws something you don't like, or aren't a fan of. What do you do from there? Do you just close it and move onto something else? Or do you feel the need to make a post saying you don't like it? Do you explain why you don't like yet, or simply voice your grievance? I can understand saying something if this is an art piece that you have paid for, whether it's a commission, or an artist you're subscribed to on a site such as Patreon. If you're paying money for something, and get something you don't like, then you certainly are within your rights to say something about it. (But you should still be polite about it!)
Now, what if this is art that someone ELSE has paid for? To me, this just comes off as incredibly rude. If you were at the store and were standing in line behind someone making a purchase, do you tell that person "Ew, I don't like eggs, why'd you buy those?" or "That's an ugly dress, I don't like that cut, you shouldn't have bought that." I don't see how this is any different from commenting on someone else's commission that they paid for, and start going on about how the portrayed content is not to your taste. But the people who do this don't seem to think there's anything wrong with it.
So I guess my main question is, does this seem rude to you? Or am I just making a fuss over nothing?
Let's say an artist draws something you don't like, or aren't a fan of. What do you do from there? Do you just close it and move onto something else? Or do you feel the need to make a post saying you don't like it? Do you explain why you don't like yet, or simply voice your grievance? I can understand saying something if this is an art piece that you have paid for, whether it's a commission, or an artist you're subscribed to on a site such as Patreon. If you're paying money for something, and get something you don't like, then you certainly are within your rights to say something about it. (But you should still be polite about it!)
Now, what if this is art that someone ELSE has paid for? To me, this just comes off as incredibly rude. If you were at the store and were standing in line behind someone making a purchase, do you tell that person "Ew, I don't like eggs, why'd you buy those?" or "That's an ugly dress, I don't like that cut, you shouldn't have bought that." I don't see how this is any different from commenting on someone else's commission that they paid for, and start going on about how the portrayed content is not to your taste. But the people who do this don't seem to think there's anything wrong with it.
So I guess my main question is, does this seem rude to you? Or am I just making a fuss over nothing?
Sure, people are allowed to have an opinion, and that's just fine. But for me, the general rule is: If you don't like it, you can always leave.
As crazy as it may seem, there really are people in life that will tell you not to buy eggs if they don't like them, or that you should change the cut of your clothes because they do not find them attractive. It stands to reason that there are people like that on the Internet as well
In some cases however, I prefer say "I don't fancy this piece because <reason>", or "Not my kind of stuff, but <reason>", or "I don't relate to this because <reason>" rather than "dafuk is this ?" or "you really shouldn't do that" because I agree with you : it's rude. But once you give a solid reason why, the worst that could happen is start a discussion, in respectfull manners.
It's simple common sense as far as I see it. Be polite while saying why you don't like something in respect for other people taste, and that's okay. Spit at their face, and face the consequences.
Leaving a complete negative comment is useless, and rude... And tbh I don't understand people who do that, just like you. :|
Usually when I see art from an artist I like that happens to sort of have themes that I don't really enjoy, I try to at least pay attention to the bits I do like. There's usually some elements of both and it can be worth pointing at both the positives and the negatives.
Yes, saying stuff like "eugh, why'd you commission that, it's so gross/not my thing" is indeed rude, and furthermore it makes it seem like the art was somehow supposed to be drawn for YOUR enjoyment, which it wasn't. Likewise, it also attacks the preferences of the commissioner (and in some cases the artist who might enjoy that stuff as well). In other words, there's a difference between commenting on what's shown in the art, and criticising what other people like.
I don't think that people should be quiet about stating that they have different preferences either but there IS a certain level of tact you need to display when giving feedback to art, something that can perhaps spark a conversation between people and a sharing of preferences.
And well, if it really grosses you out, then yeah, click away. I do that plenty of times too, as I respect people's interests might be way outside my comfort zone.
But when someone posts a comment that's nothing more than to say 'I don't like this,' I have no idea why they took the time to write that. What are they hoping to achieve?
Most often though when I see it that's just not what's happening.
It's just a simple as clicking away, nobody's making you look
In the end though, yeah, it does come off as a bit rude on their part, but like I said, this seems to be a thing that people do. You mentioned people complaining in a checkout line well...I worked retail long enough to actually hear people say similar things (or the one time a lady launched into a long rant about how soy-milk is disgusting and I shouldn't drink it...which I do because of lactose intolerance). Some people just have so many opinions; they seem to know exactly how everyone should live and just feel the desperate need to tell Everyone exactly how things need to be. And since art is an especially subjective experience it is probably a much bigger target for such people.
I suppose the way to look at it is this, these are people that come here looking for things to their taste. The fact that other tastes exist is barely tolerable. The fact that these other tastes sometimes are shown to them is right out. And they have to let everyone know, because it is their sacred duty to do so. Freedom of speech..yadda yadda.
The best we can do is ignore them.
I usually do just ignore them when I see this. But I've been seeing it a lot more lately, and I suppose I just needed to vent a bit.
Sorry about ranting on your journal but SJW have no place in the furry community, or society in general. They are literally following a doctrine by socialists and run around white knighting speaking on behalf of whole communities and minorities when they have absolutely no authority to do so and they make me physically ill.
It's not like I would condone an actual kidnapping and holding someone against their will. It's just a fantasy.
There seems to be a growing inability to separate reality from fiction these days.
Stay yourself and keep drawing wonderful kinky art!
As I said this wasn't in response to a recent instance aimed at me, I just felt like talking about it is all.
The solution is to just ignore them, a fire doesn't burn without fuel...
Some people just think the world revolves around them.
As for the art thing, not all artists can draw a character right as the owner except and know what you like or don't ike. Artists were doing their best they can to know what you know or don't want but they get butthurt over the mistakes you made and they force you to fix it because the quality is lacking. If they don't like it, don't follow them. It's their loss of course.
Focus on your art and ingore arrogant people. It's your own art, continue what you want with it.
I think there has only been one time I openly told an artist that I was purposefully unwatching them. Was it a sense of entitlement on my part? Absolutely, yes. But to get into all the nuances of that situation wuld be a conversation on itself. Other than that, I do leave critiques when an artist purposefully asks for them. And I make sure to word it well.
The saying "If you can't say something nice, don't say anything at all" is lost on many people.
I agree it's rude but you can't stop people acting that way.
For those that openly state they dislike an image or a subject of an image. Some feel as though that they are helping the artist understand the people who watch them. An artist will most definitely have people who are fans for specific types of works or a specific set of images and will try and push the artist to make images akin to those that they are fans of. These (While few) are a group of individuals who want to tilt the artist's demographic a bit to appeal to the viewing audience. This will often pull in more viewers who are fans because they will go off and tell their friends about the artist.
The more common variant of those who openly state their distaste, are those who just want to make their opinion known. They feel like they should explain why they didn't favorite it, despite viewing it, or they feel that speaking directly to the artist would be better than just flat out ignoring the image. Sometimes it's a "state of shock" and "moments of insanity" (i say these for lack of a better term). In the sense that they don't take a moment to think after being shown the image.
As for if it's something someone has commissioned, it's quite likely that it is that they didn't read the description or the title and didn't know it was a commission. Either way, it is rude to the individual who commissioned the image, moreso than the artist.
I myself won't voice my opinion on an image i'm not a fan of; however, if the subject is something I'm not a fan of but the image itself is one I find favorable, I may say "I'm not a fan of this but I like the image." People think and act in weird ways. :p
I can also understand wanting to let an artist know what their audience likes. Oftentimes though, I see this happening and then the artist ends up getting pigeonholed into a single particular theme.
That's something I haven't considered though, that these people would think saying nothing is ruder than leaving a comment to say 'I don't like this.'
The latter definitely seems more rude to me, but that's an interesting point.
Yea, there's a fine line that needs to be followed. Artists shouldn't let their viewers dictate what they should be drawing overall. An artist needs to find their own niche, and if some of the viewers don't like the fact that an artist makes images containing a certain topic, well they'll just have to cope with it.
Sometimes people may feel that an artist needs to know that some people flat out don't like it.
Aye.