So, ummmmm, wanna have your family all move to New Zealand? It's beautiful and my mates and I all were planning on moving there in the end anyway!

Well for our part we're settled pretty well in the UK and happy enough there, Brexit notwithstanding. NZ does sound like a pretty great place though. One thing we will at least start thinking about is renouncing US citizenship and naturalising to become UK citizens. No idea if that's the way we'll decide to go, probably not, but the option is a lot more on the table than it used to be. I've been ashamed of my country before but I've never experienced anything like this kind of horrified.

Agreed! I'll just reiterate my previous position: I hate humans!

I'm considering dual citizenship myself - I've been over here for a fair while but have never felt any particular urgency to the citizenship process ... but this situation is making me reconsider whether the fees involved aren't really the cheaper idea.

Yeah... as I say, really no idea what we'll decide at this point, but previously being a US citizen and a UK permanent resident seemed just fine. All I was really missing out on was voting in the UK, and frankly I generally feel like the US tends to need my vote more desperately than the UK.

Right now, it's very emotional. I'm filled with bafflement and disgust and horror at what my country has allowed to happen, and at the climate of hate and fear and intolerance that's been not just allowed to grow but deliberately nurtured. These feelings make me want to make the emotional decision of severing my ties with the US, but it'll be practical considerations that make the choice a bit later on when we've done some thinking about it. My parents and a lot of friends still live in the US and I'd prefer not to introduce any barriers to being able to visit and such in the future. Dual citizenship feels like an attractive option. But I guess we'll just have to see how grim things get.

There is this thing you could sign...
https://www.change.org/p/electoral-.....edium=copylink

Ah yes I've seen that going around. Thanks! :) I don't see that being a particularly realistic option, but I have added my name to it along with a number of petitions seeking electoral system reform over the years. The whole situation is quite a mess with no clear right answer, but it sure does seem like there needs to be a conversation about how we want the electoral system to work, since this whole situation of a candidate losing the popular vote but winning the electoral one seems to be happening more and more.

Hey. To my surprise, I actually was talking with family about maybe temp living in Europe. Like, TOTAL SURPRISE that they might even CONSIDER this. So... I dunno, I'd like to really try for the UK and hang with you all if this were to happen. So, I guess I'll see?
Also, I can understand renouncing your US citizenship, but think long and hard about that. There's tons of easy access things you'd lose (and don't notice) if you did. I know it's your choice. (Secretly though, I'm hoping you don't, because I secretly wish that you'll come back here and I'll catch you one of these years. v_v ) If I could keep all the benefits, I'd.... nah, I better shut up. Let's all wait like two weeks till we decide stuff, right? :s

Oooh... well definitely, should you find yourself in the UK ever for any reason I would love to see you. :)

And yeah, I hear you. And I really don't think I'll ever actually renounce, unless there were to emerge some kind of serious practical reason to do so. If dual citizenship is a possibility I might think about it, just to strengthen my ties here too, but... yeah, the US is still home, I am an American, I have family and friends there, and I mean to return often. So I don't want to burn any bridges.

It's just my emotions running so high right now. The fact that I'm even considering it, however briefly, is just kind of an indication of what my heart is going through right now.