I need advice... supporting yourself on your art? Very upset
9 years ago
TL;DR: If you support yourself with only your art or craft, how do you do it? What are your struggles and triumphs?
Hey guys,
Slightly less happy journal than normal. I just… need to type this out I suppose and I wish to ask for advice. Everyone struggles with direction ad stagnation from time to time in their lives, but mine has almost been predetermined by family events. I have two older brothers. Both of which my parents tend to deem as being failures.
I am the 3rd child and was the ‘final hope’ if you like. That I would do well in highschool, and that I would go on through university/college doing some degree and go on to some high paying job.
The highschool bit was fine. I did very well and did more than my brothers ever did. Towards the end of year 12 I started to freak out a little as everyone does. What do I want to do as a career for the rest of my life? I don’t know- I have no idea- bloody hell I’ve only existed for seventeen years at this point. Out of desperation I choose a games design course. I like art and I like games, how could this go wrong?
I hated it.
I hated it so much I never want to go back to Uni. I loved the people I was with but being in a school environment again brought be so much stress and anxiety- drawing back on the pressure my parents put on me to do well.
I took a leave of absence hoping my fears would settle and I might be able to return to that course. Two years later I am as strongly against it as when I began.
My parents have tried hard to push me into some sort of other course- anything else. Dad wants me to be a nurse for some godforsaken reason- I am by far not the kind of person suited for that job or anything close to it.
Because of lack of experience from a young age I have struggled in getting any form of work. I used to have a casual job as a waitress for a little while. I did a few shifts but then they just stopped asking me back. So yes, I need to get some sort of work simply to have on my resume—I understand that. But it’s the age old problem. Can’t get a job without experience, can’t get experience without a job.
Even people with experience are going through hell trying to get work these days.
Though I will keep searching for another job of some kind be it retail or whatever, all this has led me to look at something I truly enjoy. I love fursuit making and I know I’m good at it. If I believe in my abilities and work harder than I ever have before, surely I can progress 8Bit-Works into a small business I can support myself with?
My parents certainly don’t think so.
And that’s almost what’s hardest. They supported me immensely with my initial foray into costume craft- why not now? When I really need their reassurance that I can do this- they turn around and snap at me- “Fursuit making isn’t a real job.” “You’ll never be successful enough to support yourself with this.” “It’s just a hobby.”
“Do something with your life.”
I can see the disappointment in my mother’s eyes. She has said to me “so you’re going to be just like your brothers, right?” Alluding to their ‘failure’ in life.
Yeah, I guess I am going to be like them. Only in that I don’t want to go back to university unless it’s for a small business degree. Which again they also don’t seem to believe in.
All this being said my parents aren't horrible people. They insist they say all these things for my own good and I truly do believe they only snap at me because they don't want me to struggle further on in life when I don't have them to help me. Though I understand that...It's difficult to make them understand me.
I’ve told myself I can’t let them get me down. My close friends and boyfriend have helped me so much, comforted me and told me to ignore them- That the ‘starving artist’ stereotype doesn’t have to be real.
But it’s gotten to the point where I severely doubt myself and by work.
I’m scared is the most honest response.
No, I don’t know if I can do this but I want to try… I look at other makers-
phoenixnest
ruffleddesigns
autumnfallings
skyprofursuits
lazylupe
lobitaworks
thatsfurredup and so many, many more—I want to be like them. Why can’t I be like them? If they can do it surely so can I.I used to be so lazy…. But a swift figurative kick in the butt from
paramedicoyote cured that. I began working so much harder, and I’ve come to realise so much about myself and how easy I have had life.I want to get better.
I want to do more.
I want to get a ‘proper job’ as well.
I want my parents to not see me as a failure.
But most of all I want to grow 8Bit-Works to a point where I can support myself.
….do you think I can?
Please tell me
And please, if you support yourself off of your art or your craft, please let me know how you do it and your struggles but most of all your triumphs. I know it must be hard- but if my heart is in this I need to know of the reality as well as the fantasy.
To thank you for reading this;; it truly does mean a lot.
And thank you to
paramedicoyote
dorchette
riorioriorio
eagleironic and all of my irl friends for supporting me with so much love. I wouldn’t be here without you guys.And of course all of you guys, my watchers- you mean so much to me and your comments always cheer me on <3
That’s enough of a vent for one day I think..
Back to work.
FA+

I believe you can do it!
Yes you may still be small, and improving, but the only thing you can really do to get as far as all these other makers is to keep persisting, keep trying new things, new styles, improving and finding new ways that work for you.
Becoming a successful fursuit maker definitely doesn't happen overnight, or even within one or two years. All these guys you've mentioned have been making suits for years now, and always find new things to change and improve the quality of their work.
You CAN do it. You have the potential, I can see the potential! I'm sure anyone can. It's just a matter of slowly building yourself up, getting more experience, and getting your amazing works out there.
I've seen what you're able to do, and all you can do is go up from there.
I get it puts you down.
I get put down by it too, and my social anxiety is never a help when it comes to that sort of stuff.
But I keep looking for new opportunities anyway because in the end the worst they can do is reject you.
I'm sorry if I'm not much help but I really get how you feel at the moment cos I've definitely felt that way alot lately :<
I'm sorry you're having trouble too. I wish you the best of luck with your job hunting too <3
I wish you all the best
I wouldn't even be this far ahead now if it weren't for you
The art life is the hard life, that's how it is. Unless you're blessed with some miracle it WILL take years before you will start making the amount you satisfied with. It WILL take many years, because even though there's art sites like this and others out there, the world is unforgiving when it comes to art. It's EXTREMELY HARD to get exposure as an artist, especially when many of us rely on social media to get our work out there. It's hard because social media isn't MEANT for sharing art, the art audience isn't a standout, but we flock there because that's where the most people are. And we all know the more people means more exposure.
It's all very hard and very stressful, I'm 100% sure everyone feels doubt like this at some point as artists, especially when you have that outside pressure like you have. And I know this is gonna sound super generic and super cheesy, but you honestly can't give up! If you give up, you'll never get to the stage you wanna be at. You just gotta keep trying your best! I'm not at a stage where I'm making my living off my art entirely yet, but I've got some tips from experience that may help:
1. Post work regularly. Try and keep a schedule to creating or posting new work, and try and vary posting it at different times of the day, for example, post a drawing once a week. The more stuff you put out there, the more people are gonna see your work. Not only that but posting frequently will also help people remain interested in your stuff to follow/check back. Once you start becoming inactive, your followers will lose interest as well.
2. Show your passion in your work! You already do this! If you show your passion through descriptions and all that with your work; if people see that you are passionate about your work, then your followers will become passionate about you too, and will want to continue to follow/support you! If you show that you love your work and you love what you do, then people are more inclined to stick around and enjoy your work AND yourself.
3. Try to show that you can do variety. And when I mean variety I don't mean 'draw in as many different styles as possible'. No, I HIGHLY RECOMMEND sticking to your own unique style that you've developed for so long, and that's continuing to grow. If you want to show your variety through different styles than by all means go for it, but from what I understand you want to be known through your our style. I'm sure your followers are following you because they expressed interest in your style. I suppose it's about attracting the right people.
But back about variety, what I mean is variety in subject matter, perspective, composition, colour, ect. For example, it wouldn't hurt to show some realism, extreme perspectives, work with different colours ect. The more variety you show, the more people you are gonna attract. Of course, if you are focusing on being known for your stylised work, don't make your realism works override that! Just sort of show these things off as something different, as experiments, as things you are workin' on getting better at or things to show that you can do, that you aren't just a one-trick pony. (I know nothing about costume work so I'm speaking mainly from an drawing/painting perspective). Experimentation also helps you learn and figure out knew things, and who knows, maybe you figure out something that both you and your audience really like.
4. Post on multiple different sites. The more places you post, the more people you are going to attract. I know many artists that manage between at least 5 or 6 different social platforms to get the exposure on their artwork. It's super tough to manage, but no one said the indie art life was easy.
I think, that's all I can think up of for now. Just don't stop believing in yourself! Realise that you are always learning with every single thing you do and you are ALWAYS gonna get better, it just takes time, and if you remain active in that time, then you will definitely have more exposure in your work! Advertise in multiple places! Believe in yourself! I'm sure your followers and friends believe in you and want you to do well and succeed, I'm sure many of us KNOW that you CAN. You just gotta try and stay positive, as much as possible, it's never always going to be a smooth ride, there will be tough times, but you just gotta believe that you CAN do this! It will just take time.
Sorry I'm sorta bad at words and I'm sorry if I sound harsh in areas, I would rather not sugar coat anything as y'know, this is real life, not fantasy.
I hope all for the best!!
Meeting people like you was the best thing about attempting that uni degree.
I hope you're still having fun with it <3
It's not harsh at all, it's all important info that I really appreciate.
Thank youu~!
"Oh... Do you manage to pay bills okay with that income?"
"Do you get bread on the table ok?"
"Each to their own"
To which I just think... well, I get to start work at 11am in my pajamas when I'm sick as a dog, with a heater and blanket, and with my pets at home. I can have lunch whenever I want, I'm never stuck in traffic, I make my own hours... Sure you're not just salty that you're a 9 til 5 slave?
No disrespect meant to people who work those hours of course XD just it's my way of thinking about why they are so judgemental.
Where do they think businesses even come from?! From thin air? No, they come from one or two people with a dream, who work hard to achieve it.
Of course it can be hard, but why do people think success is measured solely in monetary amounts?
Success is whatever you want it to be. And there are many artists who make it big as commission artists.
A couple years ago my art was - awful, frankly - yet now I work full time as a commission artist. I have no hire purchases, no debt apart from student loan, I'm happy and have enough money to be able to afford the odd luxury and afford my healthcare. I'd say that for me, that's successful. And it only took a few years of work, yknow? A few years of work EVERY day, sure, but it is definitely achievable!
I'm really happy with where I am, luckily my family understands how cool that is for me and is 100% supportive. My mum did something similar and started her own business, too! Now we're both self employed and really loving it.
Working under other people isn't all it's cracked up to be. Why do people have so much issue with people starting their own business? -_-
I think you should go for it. I'd rather die having lived a happy life doing what I enjoyed, than a miserable bland one living as others think I should, filled with regrets. When I need to make decisions like these, I imagine myself old and in a retirement home... what memories do I want?
Do I want memories of being in an office all the time, or studying for half my damn life to do something I hate for the other half?
I want to have memories of enjoying my life, doing the things I enjoy, growing my skills and being really fucking stubborn about the things that are important to me xD
I hope this gives some insight or something. I'm really tired, I hope it helps somewhat. Your parents obviously have a very different idea of 'success' to you, but you should go with what YOUR idea of success is. After all, it's your life, and YOU have to live with the decisions, not them.
I'm happy to hear you're doing well. Luckily here in Australia healthcare is free or at least 90% free with medicare so I don't have to worry so much about that.
My parents definitely have different ideas of success to me, but it makes sense with how they grew up and what they did to get where they are today.
I'm so happy to have people like you supporting me- thank you!
Also your art is amazing Imma definitely watch you now
I did try the game design route also, but currently my course is computer systems engineering, which is more the IT side of things. Networking, PC building, robotics, servers etc.
As for making a living off of fursuiting, being Australian has advantages with Australian customers because omg much better shipping and exchange rate than going through an American - but it might make it tougher for international work? I dunno, you've been doing it a while, I imagine you have a reputation amongst the Aussie furs? I'd know better if I was active in the community =D
Improving with art is definitely one of those draw-every-day things. The people who I know who make a living off their art have a schedule that they set themselves to and they stick to it (give yourself days off of course). If you have friends you want to game with, schedule your drawing time while they're at school or work or something. Make sure your friends know your schedule and stay offline while you're working (or stream) to stay focused. Draw every day, challenge yourself. If you don't have commissions to work on, do personal stuff, or even start up a Patreon maybe?
I've thought about starting a Patreon, but I worry I wouldn't be able to offer much. Perhaps only WIPS or the occasional tutorial, but I'd much rather offer those for free? I need to do some more thinking about that for sure.
Thanks so much for your comment!
It sounds like a hard situation to be in. Harder that your parents won't come to the realization that you want to follow art as your nain income. But you could always have a small job on the sidelines. Like weekend work.
My goal is to follow my art and try to get half my income from it and work less at this shitty retail job. I tried something different, Vet Nursing. Which is always what I wanted to do. But found it wasn't the thing. Your art is amazing and people will pay for those fursuit slots!!
I can't see how you can't make it a full time job. You have the tallent. And the tall doggo for motivation. I admit. I am hella lazy at my sewing and always wait till the last minute. Then get anxiety attacks ugh!
There will be ups and downs. But their always is in a buisness. You have come so far as a maker! I truly believe in you!!!
I'm always here for help <3 <3 xx
I wish I could get weekend work, but so far no one is willing to hire me.
I'll keep trying my best <3333 Can't wait to see you again at Confur!
I'm definitely looking into getting some type of part time job- unfortunately no one so far wishes to hire me but.. I'll keep trying my best.
Thank you again ^^
I've been facing an extremely similar thing; not enjoying uni, not being able to get a job due to lack of experience, and trying to pursue something creative instead! (For me, this game design/programming) I really wanted to send some encouragement your way because it makes me really happy to see people follow their dreams and do the things they are passionate about, even if it isn't a 'traditional' path to get there! It sucks that your parents aren't being supportive. It's scary stuff trying to go your own way and I'm glad you have people to reassure you that you can do it!
I'm sorry you're going through a similar thing-- I wish you all the best~! I too love seeing people follow their dreams and work hard to get there.
Let's both do all we can to make it happen :D
Sounds like a plan to me!
All the best Eight~
Thank you so much for your support <3
Cheers :)
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