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Freedom to Fascism
19 years ago
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http://video.google.com/videoplay?d.....cism&hl=en
I urge everyone to watch this documentary. Unlike Michael Moore's films this is completely factual and downright terrifying. It may seem like this just affects the US but almost every country in the world is living under the same situation.
I urge everyone to watch this documentary. Unlike Michael Moore's films this is completely factual and downright terrifying. It may seem like this just affects the US but almost every country in the world is living under the same situation.
But yeah, F2F is a very comprehensive an thorough analysis of what is going on with this country, and ultimatley the world. As someone who's been watching stuff like this all my life, and being called crazy for such, it's refreshing to see someone else post this. :)
On a side note, I don't suppose you've heard of Alex Jones? He, along with Aaron Russo are all basically a part of the same movement and thus have had a number of interviews and encounters with each other.
This is Alex's latest interview with Aaron.
http://tinyurl.com/39xc3l
These are a couple of Alex's documentaries
Terrorstorm http://tinyurl.com/2l7mee
Martial Law 9/11: Rise of the Police State http://tinyurl.com/2nt72h
Alex's Websites:
Info Wars http://infowars.com/
Prison Planet http://prisonplanet.com/
Jones Report http://jonesreport.com
Other Sites of interest:
9/11 Blogger http://www.911blogger.com/
9/11 Omission Report http://911omissionreport.com/
Aaron Russo Interview By Alex Jones
Part 1 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nMBEcLAnmAM
Part 2 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nMBEcLAnmAM
Part 3 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nMBEcLAnmAM
Aaron Russo Interview By Alex Jones
Part 1 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nMBEcLAnmAM
Part 2 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YPmDUxWB6w8
Part 3 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9TZbqHy3lsY
http://www.aaronmann.com/video/trut.....cide_Codex.htm
You can even check out their own website to confirm your suspicions.
Unfortunately, other than playing with tax loopholes and politics, I don't see much use in complaining about it. I have better ways to appreciate (if not count) value than the US dollar - and I don't have much faculty to change the current situation.
I do kinda' wonder what would happen if the US decided to simply call the Reserve's bluff, though. Say "Oh, the national debt? Yeah, we're not paying that back, sorry. Tax's cancelled this year. We'll pay for our services with new money we're printing." Probably a mess, something akin to the great depression (since most people have most of their life value concerned with money, and that's controlled by reserve-associated banks).
I doubt it has landed here .. being in a slightly socialist country might have its good points. (Though the current copyright law and internet censorship law sucks ... hopefully when the current generation gets in power, with better IT knowledge, these laws will be taken away)
I mean, I try to look at things as objectively as I can.... I try to take into consideration both sides of the argument...
but.... I'm going ot have to go out on a limb here and say.... a lot of the points in this movie are..... well-founded..... and scary....
Even porn couldn't cheer me up after this ._.;;; I-I'm afraid to go to sleep....
I've seen the FULL video on break.com and I can tell you I would have tazed her too after the bullshit she put those cops through <_<
but other than that, this movie makes a lot fo creepy points
Hopefully people will learn and steer this planet back on track, or Mother will be rather sad at the ending of this universe. :/
So, it's up to everyone to change, including ourselves. For The Horde! (i mean, the future of humankind) ;)
When 1913 was painted as ideal my alarms went off to begin with, when investigating the site and the creator everything was confirmed.
This is one of those guys that screams 'all tax is theft!'
They worded it so obscurely it hurts my head.
I like the way they word it though. Just states they take, rather than the citizen paying of his own -free will-
It's like a legalised version of theft, I swear.
Though in our case we have actual tax laws, but they require registration in order for them to be applicable. That and we don't have an IRS so nobody is gonna storm us.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7978193591273339771&q=bursting+bubble&hl=en
http://www.grooveking.com/images/taxes.jpg
You see... peeps, I don't really want to argue. I could, and I certainly disagree strongly. And if seriously pressed I will. (Though libertarians aren't going to like it.)
But hey, I know that amongst young American netizens, disagreeing with Libertarianism can seriously strain on ones relations with people. I'd be right, but I'd also be an eeeeviil meanie who wants to take your precious freedoms.
So to show you I'm not I'll put it like this;
How would you like to smoke some fine pot whenever you want too?
Sure you can come to the Netherlands. You know... One of those countries with -Socialist- parties. (And don't think it is our Conservative politicians who are fine with you smoking pot. They're the guys that would like to curb tourists coming here to do so.)
Also... we don't have a libertarian party. just for the record.
But what about smoking it right where you live? Saving on all those expensive flight tickets!
Lets face it kiddo's you don't give a crap about the billionaires. You never will be one anyway. They won't let you in the club you know. And if you where them, tell me... would you really be that sad you could only buy 4 yachts and 80 sports cars and 9 houses, instead of well.. all that and... uh.. an extra house maybe? And even if so, I'm sure you'll forgive me for not feeling that sorry for you.
But really... who cares about them ultra-rich people... Small group anyway, and not you guys.
But I know y'all want to smoke some pot. So how about this alternative.
A Dutch style socialist party for America!
You get pot, but also;
Healthcare!
Social Security!
All the freedoms you already have!
And in the long run, less ghettos probably.
And lower taxes? We can give you all that AND lower taxes!
The US army, you see... soaks up a bloated 600 Billion dollars this year. And a 400 billion or so on average.
Hows about we cut say... a 100 billion off that.
China spends like... what... 40 billion on its army, and its the next biggest spender. So America will still have a friggin' huge army, but you also get pot, social security and healthcare (And trust me middleclass kiddo's even if you actually won't make use of this yourself at least one of your loved ones will. And this'll save you money then.)
AND lower taxes because we'll slash the military budgets.
Hey, what about a Dutch alotment of holidays and Dutch style job security too?
Sure you can still get fired, but no longer on every single whim your boss might have. And you have more holidays.
It SO can be done...
I do think I'll take all those guns though. What do you people think this place is, the mid east?
Now how will I pay for all of that? Well aside from that slashed 100 billion from the military I'll slash an additional... say... 10 billion. An that should go along way per year.
You will be safer, healthier, and actually wealthier too.
Plus Pot!
Forget them libertarians. They where founded by a disgruntled millionaire anyway.
Go find your own party. Do things the Dutch way! Maybe you and Canada can join the EU. If you all want even. We'd rather have you guys then Turkey, I'll tell you that!
And unlike Libertarianism, the Dutch way has been done for 50 years, and despite being a tiny tiny country we are Europe's 6 largest economy.
Its a sweet deal kids.
Not sure if they control the world economy, but they've been installing dictators left and right to preserve US bussiness interests.
And they are a private enterprise.
I also don't know what inheritance tax and bankers would have to do with the CIA. Which the movie did ramble on about. But that enterprise exists allright.
And the documentary was nothing I haven't already heard. Yeah, our tax code needs to be changed (www.fairtax.org) but there's definitely no need to be so alarmist about it. Yes, the system sucks, but scaring people rather than educating people is intellectually dishonest.
Cause your breed is the last thing I want in mine to be blunty honest.
Cheers! :D
SHREDDED BEEF TACO!! SI!!!! EAGLE, NOH!!!
Example: "Businessmen would sell their souls for the dollar."
That's a biased opinion that automatically tilts this movie to the left. Once it starts using language like that, I stop trusting the source.
Besides he does actually go to seek answers from the official and most qualified sources.
If you can overlook the evidence of your eyes, and the feelings passing through your body, then of course this documentary isn't going to stir you either. Not until something bad happens to you directly, like heatstroke on summer or martial law in your home town. Then you'd be thinking, "I knew this was going to happen!"
The video is a bit alarmist, but it's more intended to alert people to some disturbing concepts and trends. Digital video can be tampered with, but most of this was done with directly gathered info, not just someone talking into the camera alone, speaking what they thought. (there was that too, of course.)
Cynicism is alright in moderation, but simply saying, "This can't be so, cause it hasn't happened to me yet." Seems to be badly considered.
I've seen a lot about global warming, and from recentl info gathered, our planet is in a warming phase. I just doubt the severity of it as well as the assumption that it's all our fault.
As for it being our fault, I believe, honestly, that it doesn't matter so much as what's being done about it. Footage has been recorded of climate changes that can change the way the world looks in time. I'm more concerned with how a thing gets fixed, than pointing to who did it.
But this is what I mean; worrying about the blame is less important than finding a solution... and the same, I think, stands for this other info.
Guess what? The 16th amendment WAS RATIFIED on February 3rd, 1913, by 38 states out of 48, which is over the amount required (3/4) to ratify it.
Also, the quotes are taken out of context. Like this one "The 16th amendment does not give the government new taxing power." That actually goes on alot longer than just 1 sentance, it's a fucking supreme court ruling! The longest-winded group of people that ever existed!
Here is the full quote: "The Sixteenth Amendment conferred no new power of taxation but simply prohibited the previous complete and plenary power of income taxation possessed by Congress from the beginning from being taken out of the category of indirect taxation to which it inherently belonged."
Basically, the income tax is legal, and defined as an indirect tax, so it does not need to be appropriated.
What makes this film even less believeable is that the director also believes that 9/11 was a government conspiracy, and thats a whole other mess of idiots with nothing to do except blame government for their problems.
Given all this, I know our government isen't perfect, because none are. Governments are run by people, and people are not perfect. This kind of alarmist bullcrap is a bigger scare tactic than anything you see on the news.
The group that set the requirements themselves estimated that roughly 3 billion people will die of malnutrition once the requirements are in place.
So how exactly do these WTO guidelines kill off half the planet anyway?
http://www.aaronmann.com/video/trut.....cide_Codex.htm
I went to the Codex Alimentarius Official website to verify it and damn it, it's really there.
"We're all gonna die, and it's all because of THEM!"
and
"We're all going to be fine, we always have been and always will be"
Both sides tend to ignore history quite a lot. Humanity has had a few close calls in terms of stagnant development and economic/viral catastrophe, so no; it has not always been alright and there's no evidence that everything will work itself out. Also, despots have a habit of rising and falling once shit hits the fan too hard. It's just how the cycle goes. If you oppress a large enough group of people for a long enough period of time, things change in a violent coop sort of hurry.
The fun part is that we are, legitimately, heading for both; possibly at the same time. Global warming? It's an eventual problem, no matter what's caused it. Food supply? Hey, we're not going to have bananas in ten years without a significant breakthrough simply because the genetics have worn too thin. Disease? We haven't cured anything impressive lately, and our mass transit culture could make the black plague look like a case of sleep-over chicken pox if anything significantly nasty began to spread. And it may not be a police state yet, but if you -actually- follow politics worth a damn; the government has recently rerouted quite a bit of power to itself and away from due process lately, including policies which directly infringe on our rights to trial, property and privacy.
Be scared. The end is not here, nor is it in the next ten days. Panic doesn't mean a damn. But the longer the collective masses are inactive, the more this fear-mongering becomes an inevitability rather than a fixable problem. People see things like this and say 'oh no, the tax laws need revising!' ... but who here has wrote a letter to any political figure concerning that notion?
A nation 'of the people' ceases to be in the people's control when the people stop caring.
To quote the mythbusters, "Well there's your problem!"
If you think there is something wrong, do something about it but thinking; if not, then relax... there's no problem here. Move along, move along...
Some people are saying, "This is crap!" and all but laughing this down, and others are seemingly frightened by what they're hearing and seeing, and reacting accordingly. What needs to be done is neither. Share the information, if you think its relavant. Research it if you think it's doubtful. Check up on it, if you feel it's crap, then present some proof, as one person at least tried to do above when he wrote out the entire quote from the 16th amendment (though he failed in two ways; he never provided his source of info, and he still ignored that if the amendment was approved, where's the written law? We still need those I would think, and a lot of what people complain and are suspicious about stems from that.)
Just saying "bullshit" is the same thing that has people crying later when something they could see coming finally reaches them while they stand there watching it and saying they have plenty of time. Paniking and running around, screaming bloody terror is just as ineffective; about as good as running in circles cause you're about to be hit by a turck until you DO get hit.
I think the purpose of the video was to spread some awareness. Maybe some of it is shaky, but people looked into it, didn't they? And maybe some people did't know about things, and now they do, and are curious enough to look into it more. Knowledge was the purpose, and stirring people up some. Looks like it worked, doesn't it?
Christ is that dead on. :) Definietly a good comment about the video, all of the comment.
You want sources?
http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/data/.....n/amendment16/
http://www.ustreas.gov/education/fa.....es/ustax.shtml
Of course, its troubling because nothing will be done to address the guy's questions. This could be the most popular video on the net, and the media wont cover it. Politians wont address the questions he posed. Nothing will change.
We're all pretty stupid, both in terms of knowledge and responsiblity.
Of course, I'd like to be proven wrong on that through actions of the nation.
Well, is that apportioned tax legal? :o
And very terrifying video, I think i'm going to tell people about it.
Another thought-provoking Journal post from the mifster! :o
If much of the argument is based on the "tax protestor" POV it's just as bad as http://docs.law.gwu.edu/facweb/jsie...../taxes/F2F.htm makes it sound. I know a few people who work for Revenue Canada, and we have the same problem up here - gullible people who fall for the "taxation is voluntary" line among other things.
Seriously, people.
The only thing that bothers me is a lot of the editing of the interviews. Especially the interviews with those that are Pro-income tax. It is suspiciously cut in a way that makes it seem like the questions were supplanted with answers that came from different questions. It works great to get a point across but has a disingenuous feel. I'd love to see the unedited interviews (Which I assume would be on the DVD.)
Kind of interesting though. A lot of documentaries coming out with the same core message. A lack of accountability in our government, in our media, or in ourselves.
The United states gave up control of its money in 1913 when it allowed the federal reserve to print it. The IRS is a branch of the federal reserve and not a government body. The 16th ammendment is cited as the justification for income tax even though the 16th ammendment itself is unconstitutional and was enacted solely in order to allow the IRS to function.
You brought up the issue of culling the human population.
I actually had a conversation with a friend about this the other day. I personally believe that human over population is an outrageous problem that no one is willing to poke with a ten foot pole.
Most of the world's problems would at least be lessened if it wasn't for the ever increasing amount of people. The cold hard truth is that every resource has a limit. We can't just assume that we can just take and take from the planet and that it will, in turn provide what ever we want when we want it. For example, the beef industry is causing huge environmental, health and economic issues. I, however am more interested in the environmental issues of it, so that's what I know best. 20 000 gallons of water is used to produce 1 pound of beef, 66% of North America's grain is feed to live stock, it takes 1600 calories or fossil fuels to produce 100 calories of beef. And there is 'the dead zone' that has occurred off the Gulf of Mexico because of irrigation run off. And despite it being no secret that beef is terrible for human health, the demand of beef is rising. Why is this? Because the amount of people is rising. And although it might seem like an answer to get everyone to eat more healthy (good luck!) that actually has amazing draw backs as well. Rain forests around the world are being clear cut to grow the ever increasing demand for soy and palm oil, and the increase in demand for salmon (the new health craze food) is leading to a mass depletion of the krill population (as the salmon are fed krill). Both of these activities will lead to the destruction of natural resources that regulate the health of the planet and of many animal species.
So the real cure is to reduce the amount of people who are putting these demands on the world's resources. Now, don't get me wrong, I don't think that a mass culling is the answer (although, for some reason we think it's perfectly fine to do it to other animals). The truth is that if people stopped thinking it was a right to have children and realized that it is a privilege and a responsibility, oh, and if maybe people stopped thinking that there is no connection between sex ed and encouraging children to strive to do more with their lives than make babies and look pretty with the increase of unwanted pregnancies, then maybe the problem would solve itself (crazy run on sentance....) . The unfortunate truth is that we are not exempt from the natural world, and in every other situation where a species out grows its resources, it suffers and the numbers are thinned. The problem with waiting for that to happen with our species is that we are capable of seriously devastating massive amounts of resources before it will reach the point that we die off because of lack of resources. There is a prediction that by 2050, we will no longer be pulling any seafood out of the oceans. If you think about it in terms of losing a food source, that is disastrous, but if you realize that that means we will be obliterating thousands of marine species so we can continue to feed the human population seafood, that is just down right immoral.
There is also the issue that with such numbers and globalization, it is very likely that some kind of super bug will emerge and just wipe out massive amounts of people. My friend actually told me an interesting story that AIDS was actually genetically manufactured for that very purpose. I haven't bothered to look into it any further, but as there is a lot of talk of conspiracies already, I figure I might as well throw that one out there too.
So, even though everything I just said might make me sound like some kind of apathetic psychopath, my point is really that I'd rather avoid the reduction of the human species by culling, or a manufactured disease or the regulating of food or the obliteration of the natural world to allow us to keep stuffing our faces. I'd much rather see people being more responsible about reproduction.
I hope this didn't come across as an attack or anything, just my opinion
As for the human culling, I assume you watched the video i linked, I have mixed feelings. The big problem with it is that I'm part of the target group, and that kind of sucks. Though I'm capable enough to avoid it if necessary I still think it's insidious. Your view on educating people and making procreation a privilege assumes one very important thing, that humans are intelligent. We've all grown up believing that humans are inherently good and intelligent, but thanks to vested interest in controlling the population that is not actually the case. Most people are no more intelligent than your average house pet. They're merely more capable justifying themselves and going through more complex actions to reach the same goals. Even our view of intelligence itself has become skewed to hide the fact that we are , predominantly, no longer capable of logical or rational thought.
A smaller population would set these things to the way they should be but unfortunately it is unlikely that the survivors will be able to benefit in any way.
As for species dying out on earth and our depletion of its resources. You make the point that we are part of this environment, so it's important to remember that we are not capable of destroying it, only in making it inhospitable for ourselves. The resources on earth as of yet have not really left the planet, it has simply been redistributed. Wiping out species will have a detrimental effect on our health and our own evolution, but even that is not permanent. After all once we leave earth is free to grow into another form. In the grand scheme of things even if we were to destroy earth completely it would have no discernible impact on the universe. We can only redistribute, never destroy.