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8 years ago
http://www.pcgamer.com/pewdiepie-re.....-to-try-again/
Original post by Martin Laine
My problem with this article is here -
"To me, Kjellberg's statement fails to acknowledge that his massive audience is thought to be, in large part, young and impressionable."
So you don't know what the age, or even the average age of his audience is, it is merely suspected / thought to be, which means the main thrust of this argument is:
"Think of the children."
I'm not sure that all the faux hand-wringing is a good enough reason to pass judgment on his content. Especially under the argument of influence and power, there are far bigger (political) fish to fry in the world when it comes to influence being misused.
Let's just assume that Mr. Kjellberg's output isn't in the same league as the 'bigger fish' of this world (and tacitly agree that not all humans should be treated equally while I'm at it) is anything Mr. Kjellberg has said as offensive as the holocaust joke made by Jimmy Carr at the end of his DVD stand-up? Bear in mind there's a child in that audience too.
Now you can argue that the DVD is going to be sold to adults and that no people of a younger age will see it, except the child who was in the audience and experienced it. However the clips are available on... yeah YouTube from multiple sources with a combined view count in the millions.
https://www.youtube.com/results?sea.....ffensive+jokes
Mr. Carr gets a pass because it's not thought that his audience is young? That his material isn't as offensive? It is definitely delivered with greater tact and subtlety, as far as the death of Princess Diana, rape and holocaust jokes can be delivered with a cushion of logic and apology.
I don't think Mr. Kjellberg is wrong. Older format media doesn't understand newer format media, has little to no data on audiences, doesn't factor in context and assumes that audiences are gullible, impressionable and likely to take on the views of a guy who, by his own admission, is a pretty bad comedian.
It's alarming to me that PCGAMER, with its ardent line in defending gaming as not contributing to violence in the world, despite millions (billions maybe?) of hours of digital violence being played in multiple computer games across the world for at least 2 decades believes that a total of maybe 20 minutes of admittedly poor humour could significantly negatively affect an audience of a half million because they're children.
It is you who cannot have it both ways. Either you have solid data on the age spectrum of Mr. Kjellberg's audience or you don't. If you don't this article is a shameful band-wagon jumping hit-piece so you can make money through clicks during a media bull-run started by the Wall Street Journal and undermines all your good work defending gaming over the last two decades.
Worse still with the incumbent President of the United States consistently looking to undermine the peoples trust in the media this is an ill-timed, poorly-judged, context-less look at someone who takes neither himself or his content too seriously and, like Mr.Carr and many other comedians should be operating without intellectual oversight taking comedy (no matter how bad) too seriously.
If children, teenagers, young adults and adults can happily relieve stress and have fun putting virtual holes in people for two or more decades from Catacomb Abyss to Battlefield 1 then a Swede in a home-built studio experimenting with his occasionally appalling comedy routine isn't going to dent their psyche at all.
Stop being a reactionary mouthpiece echoing crappy journalism, branching out is fine but doing so when a wave of idiocy hits and riding that wave isn't doing you any favours.
I've been reading PCGAMER for more than 10 years, way back to when Outcast was stuck in the same position in your game of the year awards year-on-year (have you seen there's updates and a new game?). I still have the PCGAMER diploma (not first class, I was lazy) in an envelope somewhere.
Please don't mar my enjoyment and support of your otherwise very good reporting, reviews and general air of respect for your audience by entering into click-bait journalism.
If you made it this far, thank-you for reading
Original post by Martin Laine
My problem with this article is here -
"To me, Kjellberg's statement fails to acknowledge that his massive audience is thought to be, in large part, young and impressionable."
So you don't know what the age, or even the average age of his audience is, it is merely suspected / thought to be, which means the main thrust of this argument is:
"Think of the children."
I'm not sure that all the faux hand-wringing is a good enough reason to pass judgment on his content. Especially under the argument of influence and power, there are far bigger (political) fish to fry in the world when it comes to influence being misused.
Let's just assume that Mr. Kjellberg's output isn't in the same league as the 'bigger fish' of this world (and tacitly agree that not all humans should be treated equally while I'm at it) is anything Mr. Kjellberg has said as offensive as the holocaust joke made by Jimmy Carr at the end of his DVD stand-up? Bear in mind there's a child in that audience too.
Now you can argue that the DVD is going to be sold to adults and that no people of a younger age will see it, except the child who was in the audience and experienced it. However the clips are available on... yeah YouTube from multiple sources with a combined view count in the millions.
https://www.youtube.com/results?sea.....ffensive+jokes
Mr. Carr gets a pass because it's not thought that his audience is young? That his material isn't as offensive? It is definitely delivered with greater tact and subtlety, as far as the death of Princess Diana, rape and holocaust jokes can be delivered with a cushion of logic and apology.
I don't think Mr. Kjellberg is wrong. Older format media doesn't understand newer format media, has little to no data on audiences, doesn't factor in context and assumes that audiences are gullible, impressionable and likely to take on the views of a guy who, by his own admission, is a pretty bad comedian.
It's alarming to me that PCGAMER, with its ardent line in defending gaming as not contributing to violence in the world, despite millions (billions maybe?) of hours of digital violence being played in multiple computer games across the world for at least 2 decades believes that a total of maybe 20 minutes of admittedly poor humour could significantly negatively affect an audience of a half million because they're children.
It is you who cannot have it both ways. Either you have solid data on the age spectrum of Mr. Kjellberg's audience or you don't. If you don't this article is a shameful band-wagon jumping hit-piece so you can make money through clicks during a media bull-run started by the Wall Street Journal and undermines all your good work defending gaming over the last two decades.
Worse still with the incumbent President of the United States consistently looking to undermine the peoples trust in the media this is an ill-timed, poorly-judged, context-less look at someone who takes neither himself or his content too seriously and, like Mr.Carr and many other comedians should be operating without intellectual oversight taking comedy (no matter how bad) too seriously.
If children, teenagers, young adults and adults can happily relieve stress and have fun putting virtual holes in people for two or more decades from Catacomb Abyss to Battlefield 1 then a Swede in a home-built studio experimenting with his occasionally appalling comedy routine isn't going to dent their psyche at all.
Stop being a reactionary mouthpiece echoing crappy journalism, branching out is fine but doing so when a wave of idiocy hits and riding that wave isn't doing you any favours.
I've been reading PCGAMER for more than 10 years, way back to when Outcast was stuck in the same position in your game of the year awards year-on-year (have you seen there's updates and a new game?). I still have the PCGAMER diploma (not first class, I was lazy) in an envelope somewhere.
Please don't mar my enjoyment and support of your otherwise very good reporting, reviews and general air of respect for your audience by entering into click-bait journalism.
If you made it this far, thank-you for reading
gotta geb rebloggs from haters and clicks for the munz.
drama > facts
money > truth
*read the very first sentence of the linked article: “Felix "Pewdiepie" Kjellberg is far and away the most popular person on YouTube”
*has no freaking clue who this PDPie guy actually is, never heard of him
I'm out of this sh*t >_>
We just aired a new episode of Gettar, the social outcast.
I personnaly newer gave a shit about Pewdiepie, the Wall Street Journal or PCGamer's "articles" (mostly click-bait). In this case everyone is stupid : Pewdiepie's videos aren't that much funny, the WSJ's reaction is stupid, Disney is... Well, it's Disney, they're jerks (and they gonna ruin the Star Wars new trilogy). And PCGamer's reaction is stupid.
Sometimes, not reacting is the best reaction. Because you may sometimes not say a word and let everyone thinks you're stupid, or else talk and proved everyone right about you.
... Does it makes me a nazi too ?
http://friasidor.is/wp-content/uplo.....10/uJGwSdk.png
http://la1ere.francetvinfo.fr/bambo.....al-442193.html (From recent news, about a young black guy raped by a policeman with a baton less than 1 month ago)
http://www.lemonde.fr/societe/artic.....7084_3224.html (He was condemned for using the N-word)
Just from the last 2 years.
but as for the others, read the articles, that didnt sent smoothly.
I don't much care for the whole clusterfuck.
http://www.furaffinity.net/view/22645638/
It's also not proper to conflate PDP with Jimmy Carr.
How Carr pushes boundaries & tests both audiences & comedy is to engage them directly, let them in on things being offensive & that they should be offended by what he says but that there is also an understanding that in laughing along with him or condemning him they are reflecting on why certain topics are taboo or offensive.
Plus Jimmy never had white supremacist websites hailing him as one of their own, taking his work out of context & using it to push their owned twisted agendas onto the internet.
Let's not talk about how media deliberately edit his video to make him look like a full-on Nazi supporter to force Disney to cut tie with him.
Let's not talk about Idubbbz and Filthy Frank who use word like nigger faggot and gay retard while both are partnership of Maker Studio which is own by Disney.
Yeah fuck that he deserve it cause he's a fucking Pewdiepie and hating him is fucking cool man :) bonus point if he fucking kill himself too
And of course it's Pewds fault that hate group take a clip of his vid and promote their propaganda. you know, like no hate group never done before ever.
Don't know who those are two are but they also sound like fucking idiots too.
Now you're just sounding paranoid.
I still have trouble grasping how he exploded in popularity like he did. I'm thoroughly convinced he cheated the YouTube system when he moved to a different country or however the hell that story went.
is that some kind of pony or somethin
(Minor note: "I don't think Mr. Kjellberg is wrong. Older format media doesn't understand newer format media, has little to no data on audiences, doesn't factor in context and assumes that audiences are gullible, impressionable and likely to take on the views of a guy who, by his own admission, is a pretty bad comedian" The opposite assumption may be worse. Assuming audiences are slick, savvy and too smart, and infinitely smarter than old people with old media, is a good way to lose everything. It feeds the Dunning-Kruger effect and fosters a false sense of intellectual invincibility. That smug self-assurance is how magicians and con men get your eyes on one hand while the other pulls a dove from under the table or a wallet from the pocket.)
Man this is some quality entertainment.
Atop of that, given the timing, recent events and his comments towards those misbehaving as a result of said events, the allegations against him alone are very suspicious.