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I was talking with stupidshepherd today about the future of paying off her bills and the idea of NSFW commissions popped up. I'm not sure what they will end up doing, but for myself, I've been battling for awhile now on how to handle NSFW requests. First things first, I have zero issues with adult artwork. It doesn't phase or bother me remotely when others do it and I like looking at it just fine (does nothing for me, if you know what I mean, but I like it for the artistic side of it). I dabble in adult work privately from time to time, but when it comes to posting it and drawing it for other people... I'm not quite sure how to feel.
I have absolutely no interest in drawing other people's characters engaged in porn. Like. I just don't want to do that. If I ever post any explicit content involving straight-up porn (aka intercourse) I want it with my characters and my characters only. I dunno how to explain why, I just don't think it would be fun for me. And I don't want to offer something that both won't be fun for me and won't come out great because of not enjoying it. But when it comes to tamer NSFW, such as certain fetishes, I feel more open to it. Things like bondage, BDSM/dominatrix, vore, paws, (clean)babyfur etc. are fetishes I've been interested in illustrating but either haven't had time or had no characters that fit. I'm also interested in just basic stuff like nude pinups that aren't remotely fetishy but are still adult. If you guys remember years ago I had a lot of fun doing bondage/dominatrix stuff with my character George and Pyro's Meredith and uggghh I miss it.
And I also just... really wanna draw NSFW of my own characters and post it for a change. But I guess I'm still shy? I don't know. It's like it's one thing to draw it for myself and another to post it for the world to see. I'm still worried it will somehow taint my image or reputation. I also don't want to be known as a porn artist and I'm afraid once I unleash that to the world, that's all people will want from me, even if I only draw it every now and again or for money. I don't want people to come to me for porn, I want them to come to me because of my art, characters, stories, etc. If that makes sense? I understand porn will inherently gather more people. Sex sells, after all. I'm okay with the idea porn would be my top favorited thing in my gallery. But having it be me as an artist... I don't want that?
I'm just kinda conflicted. I would like to venture into some adult work, but then I am kinda scared to. I lean to just wanting to stick to doing my own characters, but opening opportunities for tamer stuff in commissions or YCHs would help a lot with scraping up money to help pay for bills, such as Marly's surgery costs. And maybe help get me out there? I've struggled these last few years to gather followers and, well... "selling out" is enticing sometimes (though I don't like to call it selling out because I mean nothing negative about it but, ya know).
Can anyone give feedback or opinions for me? Would anyone be interested in purchasing NSFW from me? Would me occasionally dabbling in NSFW change your opinion of me and my stuff? Would you rather I stick to SFW only?
Before anyone asks about creating a second adult-only account, I've considered that too. I just don't think that's worth it. It's been hard enough for me to gather the following I have, I really don't want to start over. And I also don't want to have horrible self esteem if for some reason that adult gallery gets more than my clean.
Reiterating once more, I have zero issues with porn. I don't see anything wrong with people doing it. It's an art just as much as clean content. This is only in regards to myself and my own work, so don't get me wrong! I'm in no way being pretentious about it regarding what others do.
Anyway, excuse my ramblings! Thank you for your time ^^
~*~Filly B.~*~
I was talking with stupidshepherd today about the future of paying off her bills and the idea of NSFW commissions popped up. I'm not sure what they will end up doing, but for myself, I've been battling for awhile now on how to handle NSFW requests. First things first, I have zero issues with adult artwork. It doesn't phase or bother me remotely when others do it and I like looking at it just fine (does nothing for me, if you know what I mean, but I like it for the artistic side of it). I dabble in adult work privately from time to time, but when it comes to posting it and drawing it for other people... I'm not quite sure how to feel.
I have absolutely no interest in drawing other people's characters engaged in porn. Like. I just don't want to do that. If I ever post any explicit content involving straight-up porn (aka intercourse) I want it with my characters and my characters only. I dunno how to explain why, I just don't think it would be fun for me. And I don't want to offer something that both won't be fun for me and won't come out great because of not enjoying it. But when it comes to tamer NSFW, such as certain fetishes, I feel more open to it. Things like bondage, BDSM/dominatrix, vore, paws, (clean)babyfur etc. are fetishes I've been interested in illustrating but either haven't had time or had no characters that fit. I'm also interested in just basic stuff like nude pinups that aren't remotely fetishy but are still adult. If you guys remember years ago I had a lot of fun doing bondage/dominatrix stuff with my character George and Pyro's Meredith and uggghh I miss it.
And I also just... really wanna draw NSFW of my own characters and post it for a change. But I guess I'm still shy? I don't know. It's like it's one thing to draw it for myself and another to post it for the world to see. I'm still worried it will somehow taint my image or reputation. I also don't want to be known as a porn artist and I'm afraid once I unleash that to the world, that's all people will want from me, even if I only draw it every now and again or for money. I don't want people to come to me for porn, I want them to come to me because of my art, characters, stories, etc. If that makes sense? I understand porn will inherently gather more people. Sex sells, after all. I'm okay with the idea porn would be my top favorited thing in my gallery. But having it be me as an artist... I don't want that?
I'm just kinda conflicted. I would like to venture into some adult work, but then I am kinda scared to. I lean to just wanting to stick to doing my own characters, but opening opportunities for tamer stuff in commissions or YCHs would help a lot with scraping up money to help pay for bills, such as Marly's surgery costs. And maybe help get me out there? I've struggled these last few years to gather followers and, well... "selling out" is enticing sometimes (though I don't like to call it selling out because I mean nothing negative about it but, ya know).
Can anyone give feedback or opinions for me? Would anyone be interested in purchasing NSFW from me? Would me occasionally dabbling in NSFW change your opinion of me and my stuff? Would you rather I stick to SFW only?
Before anyone asks about creating a second adult-only account, I've considered that too. I just don't think that's worth it. It's been hard enough for me to gather the following I have, I really don't want to start over. And I also don't want to have horrible self esteem if for some reason that adult gallery gets more than my clean.
Reiterating once more, I have zero issues with porn. I don't see anything wrong with people doing it. It's an art just as much as clean content. This is only in regards to myself and my own work, so don't get me wrong! I'm in no way being pretentious about it regarding what others do.
Anyway, excuse my ramblings! Thank you for your time ^^
~*~Filly B.~*~
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Still mature or adult without actually committing to naughty content.
However, I also thoroughly enjoy tamer artists, and if you need a few examples of good artists that have done mature work, for themselves or otherwise, and are still mostly known for their tamer work, look at Missmab, or at Spunky, or Kacey. They're all well-known artists with well-known characters and art, who've dabbled in the adult but are still mostly known for their *tame* work as well as their characters. I know comparing is rude, but I'm settin a few examples to point out that it's totally possible :P I'm pretty sure it won't take over the main subject of your allery so lon as you don't let it - and I'm sure you won't.
So all in all, it's a matter of giving it a go if you do decide to start posting that, and to keep your focus where you've had it thus far. I for one would be ecstatic to see adult art from you, but you're just silly if you think that'll make me think any different of you, or less of you, or respect you any less for it.
I say go for it, but, again, do what makes you happy :)
(Also, sorry I've been missing from these Journals; I've been away-ish from FA in favor of Flight Rising, and I've moved from Skype to Discord. RIP.)
Oh man, I in fact do know MissMab and Spunky. I didn't even know they did NSFW at all so you definitely have a good point there. And I'm totally fine with comparisons, they can be very helpful!
I very much appreciate the support though. I would love to get over my shyness and post some of the work I've done because I find adult work fun to do and it's challenging and experimental. Not to mention it gives me something fresh. A handful of my characters are very sexual in nature and it kinda feels cheap to not express that side of them out of this fear. It's not doing them much justice.
Thanks so much
My FR and most places nowadays I go by the name Cinderfire <: My Telegram is also Cinderfire. My Discord was ALSO Cinderfire, but someone in FR tried to ping me but their corrector changed my name into 'Interview' and so for now my Discord is Cinterview :'D Until that boo-boo stops being hilarious to me, anyway.
AND YE I'VE MISSED YOU TOO. I've just been going through a VERY long and thorough phase of not wanting anything to do with anyone, and it's only recently that I'm starting to be social again thanks to FR. I was literally avoiding most of everyone up until November last year :'D
I don't think posting mature art would change how people see your gallery, as long as you keep posting other stuff too... I feel like everyone dabbles in this kind of stuff at some point :p
As for me, I really don't mind NSFW art, I quite like it actually, so seeing it from you wouldn't make me think less of you at all.
And I'm very glad you wouldn't change your mind about my work too. That means a lot ^^ If I did do it I would just have to keep it off deviantART since they aren't as open to that aha (and I think a lot of my base on there are under 18... I think...? I should make a poll about that actually.)
Porn, on the other hand, is something that I would call unatural and awful, such us rape, having sex with random strangers and more similar like these. If we use our logic, even in reality all of these are wrong! Rape someone or have sex with random starngers shows that we support raping/sexual abuse other people, we are selfish people and we don't care about the others and how they feel! Even if I try to draw nsfw, it will always be with romance and love, nothing with porn!
Also, to be a porn artist (or interested only in porn) you should be a perveted person, draw only nsfw all the time, everything you would discuss would be only about porn and have sex with random strangers without caring about your husband and only think about yourself. Which I believe that you don't have those characteristics.
In my opinion, I prefer to not draw nsfw for others, because I feel extremely uncormfotable! I prefer only with my OCs (since I know them better because they are mine). To explain better, if I do nsfw commissions, expect of the fact that a lot of people would come to commiss me for nsfw, then I would have to draw sexual stuff. Result? End up to draw nsfw all the time, which means being a porn artist as I mentioned above! I think that you should discuss about it with people you know or with a psycologist, because this is a serious dissicion (pss this is my opinion!).
But hey, you don't have to worry how we would feel if you post nsfw, because I used to have the same thinking about this topic!
The last thing I will say is go ahead! ^^
I can't agree with you entirely on your opinions of NSFW vs Porn, but I very much understand what you mean! And it makes sense to me. ^^ Rape fetish has never been something I found appealing. I don't like to say the people are wrong for indulging in a fantasy, but it's... not a fantasy I personally agree with. That's how it goes with a lot of fetishes, though. Sexual abuse is definitely a big no-no for me in real life, art, anything unless you're writing it with respectful intent. I had a character who was in an abusive sexual relationship and you gotta be very very gentle in how to approach that, being it's such a sensitive topic, so that it doesn't come off perverted or arousing. Especially when it's meant to be bad!
I'm glad you would be okay with it, and thanks for sharing your opinion! ^^
I like looking at all sorta of fetishes and porn. I find it all really interesting, even if it can be gross. But viewing it and drawing it is completely different, for sure. I do think it's important that, if I ever were to enter into it myself, that setting limits it vitally important. I already do that now with my TOS.
Though I definitely agree that it's a can of worms. I think, for now, I will stick to what I'm comfortable with. Maybe restrict it to tamer YCHs, that way I 100% know I'll be comfortable with the overall image/character interactions. Until then... I'll stick to trying to dabble in it with just my personal art. Gotta take baby steps. :P
Something, too, is that my friend has had... awful experiences with NSFW as a SFW artist. Like 100% we have the right to say NO! But gosh do clients like to PUSH IT. My friend had clients repeatedly pester them to do porn... even after they said no over and over and said over and over that they were SFW only. And it wasn't just a single client! It was 3 or 4 different ones! That alone turns me off on commissions for NSFW, and sometimes commissions in general... I have also had a couple minor incidents where individuals tried to push me into taking more suggestive pieces when I wasn't nearly ready and declined more than once. I just wish people respected that more. :\
And ooh! I never thought about something like InkedFur! Definitely do keep me updated on how it works for you, because that's certainly a viable option! I spoke with them at FWA and they were suuuper sweet.
That being said, I have no issues with NSFW in general, or even most fetishes, honestly. Not that it's necessarily something I would seek out, but there's really nothing that phases me anymore, haha. And from what I can tell, you pretty much feel the same way. But you shouldn't feel pressured to do something you're not comfortable with. As GlacierK said, you always have the right to decline things like this. It's YOUR art at the end of the day, and you shouldn't feel obliged to do what makes you uncomfortable.
But I'm in no way suggesting you shouldn't post NSFW content if you choose to do so. In fact, I'd be excited (not like that) to see where you go with your ideas in that area. All in all, if it makes you happy and it's something you want to do, go for it, definitely! If not, then maybe you shouldn't.
I'm not sure if I ever told you or not, but I have written… more racy material before, and I have a secret second account just for that. No, I'm not saying it in public, and no, there's nothing there yet. Because I'm really shy about posting porn.
The reason I made that second account is because when or if things start going up, I wouldn't want them on my primary account. See, I don't want people reading my stuff just for titillation. And I'm concerned that if I post smut on this account, that's all people will ever want to see. But that's something to think about before taking NSFW commissions or even posting NSFW artwork.
Having the right to decline is truly the best part. The worse is dealing with people who try to force you. Pyro's had folks force them before (or try to) and it's never pretty. :\ I don't wanna be in a situation where I am guilted into doing something all because the person doesn't want to respect my comfort levels.
I definitely feel like my NSFW material would match up with my style of storytelling. It's hard to explain, I guess, but my vision/ideas don't feel like the kind that's porn for porns sake. It's all rather relevant. And I have one project in particular I'm eager to do down the road should I ever open up to the idea of NSFW postings.
I would like the idea of a second account IF I wasn't feeling crummy about my own following at the moment. The last couple years have been brutal with me judging myself harshly on why my follower count hasn't risen. So I wouldn't like the idea of making a NSFW-only account just to see it gain more popularity than my own. I mean, the chances of that happening might be slight, but sex sales and I... don't want it to sell in that way. If that makes sense?