TL:DR edgy liberals who don't read any books punching other people who also don't read any books.

The long version will require some context and explanation, and Jesus shit there is allot to explain.

First off, we need to actually know what the actual living fuck fascism really is, since anti-fascism is literally their name, and not the watered down Orwellian newspeak version used today that is even more vague than it already is. Instead of looking at it as an irrational jingoistic authoritarianism, it actually has rational elements to it. One of the best teachers is history, and for that there is this little video here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D2ZR9a_vvfk

Not using the embed feature since it will take up too much space. Also Kraut and Tea had a decent video on clerical fascism, but this one has better context. Basically, there was a very economic element to the fascism of Germany and Italy: extremely anti-socialist (another word that has lost all meaning) depression of wages more so than they already were, breaking up of unions, and privatization: http://www.ub.edu/graap/nazi.pdf Albeit with extreme repression, which is the only thing people are told about, rather than the hows or whys, thus leading to people being ahistorical, and view the world in rose tinted glasses with nostalgia, those who do not know history are doomed to repeat it, you get the drill.

Now fast forward decades later. Now we see an ideology seeping forth based on ethnonationalism, (more confusing is the fact that there are nationalists that are also socialists, as in nationalization or workers controlling the means of production directly, albeit only people with a certain amount of melanin in their skin.) with others being more protectionist of the current economic order with helicopter rides(much more closer to economic fascism, since Pinochet also did much of the above while torturing political dissedents.), filled with Facebook frogs and levels or irony that make it hard to pinpoint weather anyone is being serious or not. (it ends up being a joke anyway)

Not helping are people like Antifa who seem to not know these things to much of an extent, and are more concerned about racist rhetoric, both assumed and unassumed, rather than the other very real implications of what some of these people might unironically advocate for. They indiscriminately go after Trump events because there are supposedly a few unironic Nazis there, therefore their actually stopping fascists, because these are people who don't know much of anything, or read any books, so it just ends up being a bunch of edgy liberals beating on memers because they might want enact... deathcamps for nonwhites I guess? As apposed to just liking a guy who's ended up being another neocon/neoliberal who says retarded shit on twitter, and is soaked in TV personality like many of his followers.

Supposedly, Antifa are there just to exist as a vanguard against fascism, by preventing them from organizing, since if they get power, the above stuff I've talked about will be implemented, depending on the brand. As a brief interlude, for those of you concerned with freedom of speech, yes I agree, we should be debating them and it's a nice thought, but allot of people on the far right tend to be so on some level of irrationality(being an incel is one hell of a drug), and there is a certain point and time where it should be done where it is successful to the degree of convincing the onlookers, but there are those who can't be reasoned with, not to mention there's the fact that people have entirely different values from each other. Depends of the people, but this isn't just some disagreement, as these are entirely different ideologies and view of history and the world, that has gone on for decades, not just fought with words, but with bullets, and where the ruling elite benefit more from one than the other. There is a difference between someone who just needs to be reasoned with, and someone who is attempting to organize to physically remove people with the use of the state, and not always because of skin color, mind you, and with righteous conviction to do so. Welcome to real life.

Speaking of a debating Antifa, here's one: http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na.....017-story.html

Then there's the fact it's a heavily disorganized group that is susceptible from all kinda of others (I wonder who) and obsess over identity politics like SJWs, which seemingly only exist to make the left look like shit, and are a greater damage than anything the right has by just being asses of themselves. To the ones not on any payroll I would suggest READING A FUCKING BOOK! Like our lord of cultural Marxism, Flavoj Zizek says: https://qz.com/896463/is-it-ok-to-p.....-donald-trump/

Luckily in Berkley right now, they seem to be taking this advice by not showing up. As a result, the Trump memers who came there ended up looking pretty cringey all dressed in sports gear LARPing as defenders of the west, and to think only existing because of college kids who lack any sort of ideology other than identity politics (I also wonder why) but seriously, it's pretty pathetic, just obviously not at the level of roving bands of brownshirts quite yet. Maybe another economic crash might see to that though, I mean look at how bad the conditions already are: http://www.independent.co.uk/news/w.....-a7694726.html

In the end having one band of cringlords is bad enough, let alone two, but don't kid yourself in thinking everyone can be swayed with arguments alone all the time, especially as people become more desperate.