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Your Opinions matter not on what other people buy, whether or not you think them 'dense'.
If YOU BUY a commission and make a specific detailing of the genitals ... then you have a complaint ... BUT under no.. None. ZERO circumstances are artists being lazy or talent-less for not creating according to YOUR desires. Some people buy from these artist Specifically BECAUSE of the 'lazy' genital designs that you seem to hate ... because they are attracted to them ... Who are YOU to tell them that their attractions are 'lazy' .. more over because real people do have those genital shapes. Are you saying they need to get surgery to 'fix' their 'lazy' genitals? Some people look at your tastes as Gross or disgusting ... Have you SEEN the Dislikes on that Flash we collabed on, on E621?
Point is these journals just serve nothing but to make you sound like a self entitled elitist who's opinion is golden coins to lay on everyone's tables. Who ever this 'godfather of porn' is .. they are lying to you ~ I've been drawing commission work for only 10 years and I've had no where the amount of business the 'Elites' as you call them have and I've had lots of people be very specific about the Standard for the female characters ... SO if me being just a drop in the bucket as experienced it at least 40% of the time than the big splashes sure have ... there is no lazy pussy conspiracy... it's time to stop acting like your the victim of anything other than your own repercussions from commanding people that your opinion is gospel.

My opinion has nothing to do with what the facts say.
And under EVERY circumstance are the artists I expose are they being lazy AND talentless. And again: It has NOTHING to do with my desires. They are being judged by their own standards.
My issue with these inept, hack artists is that they openly admit they can't draw female genitalia for shit, that their fans are gullible retards, straight to said fans face, and the only reaction the fan has is clap their hands and cheer.

As for who I am: I am the person that almost the entirety of the "elite" of FA, E621 AND Derpibooru and basically ALL their "top tier" artist's has admitted they don't stand a chance against in terms of expertise when it comes to the female genitalia.
But please, do explain to me why someone ex: Taking one of their old pictures, and simply copy+pasting a vag over from that, to a new picture, should be paid top dollar for a vag they've already drawn once before.
Or why someone that says they have no clue how to draw a single pussy, and can't offer you any options in exchange for your money. Should be paid the exact same amount as someone that says they know exactly what they are doing. And can offer you anything you want.
I am pointing out the facts, that a sloppy 30 second vag doodle is NOT the same as a 4 hour HD penis. You can't put those in the same category. Again: In NO other profession in the world is this type of blatant incompetence+discrimination even allowed, much less as vigilantly protected as it is here.
And yeah, 5 % of adult women have those shapes. MANY OF WHICH HAVE had surgery in order to look like that, thanks to the porn norm.

And you can't use that flash as evidence for anything. It got swarmed by a bunch of butthurt white knights due to me creaming their dear leader repeatedly. It's not exactly a secret that I expose hack artists and clean their clocks as they run off bawling, spewing slander.

Tbh, if it would help. Then sure, I could become an entitled elitist. All the top tier artists keeps admitting they are inferior to me in every regard. (when it comes to female genital anatomy) Still think Jay Naylor is the most recent one... heck, they even did it publicly. Kinda says something about the lack of fucks they give. When they openly admit they can't draw pussy for shit, but it doesn't matter as their fans are too stupid to have a stadnard. Their fans cheer them on. But when I do it, I'm just a rude bitch. As, how DARE I oppose the establishment, using such filthy things as facts!
And they can quite possibly be lying out of their ass. They've still felt it relevant to make the claim.

And I was specific in that it's a standard for the FEMALE genitalia. Not female characters overall. And you are easily 30 times more experienced than the "big splashes". Seriously, just point to one, and you will kick their ass. You can draw more than one pussy. And if I ask you about it, you don't start to stutter, and ask if "I-is that the not penis?"
And again: It's not opinions, it's FACT. And what does some imaginary friend's hairy testicles have to do about anything?

I've mauled every single hack artist I've come across, forcing them to flee, spread misdirection and deflect.
They're more pathetic than the DMC's "russia, russia, russia!" chant. They've all run headlong and broke their neck against my points, having been unable to even refute a single one. So, instead they turned it into a witch hunt. As they got no substance to come with. After they shit themselves, their only option was to slander and attack me personally. Over that the way I deliver my message huwt their feewings. I am well aware that I am rude. But that doesn't suddenly make reality false. Just because it doesn't feel as nice and fluffy as being ignorant does.

My opinion has nothing to do with what the facts say.
And under EVERY circumstance are the artists I expose are they being lazy AND talentless. And again: It has NOTHING to do with my desires. They are being judged by their own standards.
My issue with these inept, hack artists is that they openly admit they can't draw female genitalia for shit, that their fans are gullible retards, straight to said fans face, and the only reaction the fan has is clap their hands and cheer.
THE ONLY FACT THAT MATTERS IS THAT YOU SEEM TO BE THE ONLY ONE THAT CARES... YOU'RE NOT EXPOSING ANYONE IF THEY ARE SAYING IT TO THEIR FANS FACE. LAST FACT ... THERE IS NO 'STANDARD' FOR ART AND YOU AREN'T THE JUDGE OR JURY FOR OTHERS.

As for who I am: I am the person that almost the entirety of the "elite" of FA, E621 AND Derpibooru and basically ALL their "top tier" artist's has admitted they don't stand a chance against in terms of expertise when it comes to the female genitalia.
But please, do explain to me why someone ex: Taking one of their old pictures, and simply copy+pasting a vag over from that, to a new picture, should be paid top dollar for a vag they've already drawn once before.
Or why someone that says they have no clue how to draw a single pussy, and can't offer you any options in exchange for your money. Should be paid the exact same amount as someone that says they know exactly what they are doing. And can offer you anything you want.
#1= I SEE NO EXAMPLES OF THIS 'EXPERTISE, I SEE NO PROOF OF 50+ ARTISTS SAYING YOU ARE VAG QUEEN, HOW AN ARTIST CREATES AS LONG AS THEY AREN'T STEALING ONLY MATTERS BETWEEN THEM AND THE PEOPLE BUYING THE WORK AND YOUR OPINION OF THEIR IQ ISN'T PROOF OR VALID 'FACT' TO SUPPORT YOUR CLAIMS... WHY AM I NOT PAID MORE THAN I AM?

I am pointing out the facts, that a sloppy 30 second vag doodle is NOT the same as a 4 hour HD penis. You can't put those in the same category. Again: In NO other profession in the world is this type of blatant incompetence+discrimination even allowed, much less as vigilantly protected as it is here.
And yeah, 5 % of adult women have those shapes. MANY OF WHICH HAVE had surgery in order to look like that, thanks to the porn norm.
I SEE NO POLL OF THOUSANDS OF WOMEN TO GAIN EVEN CLOSE TO THAT % IE. NO PROOF OF THAT 5% THERE IS NO DISCRIMINATION ... ZERO... NOT DRAWING A VAG TO YOUR STANDARDS IS NOT AN EXAMPLE OF SUCH

And you can't use that flash as evidence for anything. It got swarmed by a bunch of butthurt white knights due to me creaming their dear leader repeatedly. It's not exactly a secret that I expose hack artists and clean their clocks as they run off bawling, spewing slander.
ACCORDING TO THE COMMENTS .. THAT IS A LIE AND WITHOUT PROOF OF IT BEING AN ATTACK THOSE NUMBERS ARE VALID EVIDENCE

Tbh, if it would help. Then sure, I could become an entitled elitist. All the top tier artists keeps admitting they are inferior to me in every regard. (when it comes to female genital anatomy) Still think Jay Naylor is the most recent one... heck, they even did it publicly. Kinda says something about the lack of fucks they give. When they openly admit they can't draw pussy for shit, but it doesn't matter as their fans are too stupid to have a stadnard. Their fans cheer them on. But when I do it, I'm just a rude bitch. As, how DARE I oppose the establishment, using such filthy things as facts!
And they can quite possibly be lying out of their ass. They've still felt it relevant to make the claim.
PROVE IT... DRAW A PIC TO PUT THEM ALL TO SHAME ..BECAUSE UNTIL YOU DO, THESE COMMENTS ARE WORTHLESS AS THERE IS ZERO PROOF FROM YOU TO SHOW THESE ...'FACTS'

And I was specific in that it's a standard for the FEMALE genitalia. Not female characters overall. And you are easily 30 times more experienced than the "big splashes". Seriously, just point to one, and you will kick their ass. You can draw more than one pussy. And if I ask you about it, you don't start to stutter, and ask if "I-is that the not penis?"
And again: It's not opinions, it's FACT. And what does some imaginary friend's hairy testicles have to do about anything?
WHILE I APPRECIATE THE COMPLIMENT ,I HAVE TO SAY THERE IS NO STANDARD TO ART... I HAVE TO REPEAT THAT AGAIN AND AGAIN BECAUSE IN SOME PLACES IN THE WORLD AT CERTAIN TIME PERIODS YOU COULDN'T EVEN DRAW A VAG WITHOUT EITHER COVERING IT WITH PUBS OR HAVING IT BALD WITH NO SLIT... THERE IS NO OVER ARCING STANDARD

I've mauled every single hack artist I've come across, forcing them to flee, spread misdirection and deflect.
They're more pathetic than the DMC's "russia, russia, russia!" chant. They've all run headlong and broke their neck against my points, having been unable to even refute a single one. So, instead they turned it into a witch hunt. As they got no substance to come with. After they shit themselves, their only option was to slander and attack me personally. Over that the way I deliver my message huwt their feewings. I am well aware that I am rude. But that doesn't suddenly make reality false. Just because it doesn't feel as nice and fluffy as being ignorant does.
IT SEEMS MORE OF WHAT YOU ARE DOING IS BULLYING PEOPLE BECAUSE YOU PERSONALLY DON'T LIKE HOW THEY DRAW AND MAKE MONEY FROM IT, SO YOU'VE MADE IT INTO YOUR OWN PERSONAL GOAL TO ATTACK THESE PEOPLE AND TRY TO CONVERT OTHERS TO FOLLOW AND ATTACK THEM TOO... YOU ARE PICKING ON THESE PEOPLE FOR NOT ADHERING TO YOUR OPINION OF WHAT FACTS AND STANDARDS FOR ART OR HOW ART IS MADE OR HOW MONEY IS MADE WITH ART

NOTE: my comments are in bold and caps lock to make them easier to read next to yours ... not yelling

(I just number them. Less text, still easy to follow)

1: That is false. Everyone cares. But, only if it directly negatively impacts them.
That's been debunked HUNDREDS of times by people going all "The artist chooses what genital to give their characters!" to then 2 minute later utterly flip their shit when someone decided to put a human penis on a horse. THEN people suddenly care apparently if you give a human genital on an animal/antrho.
Can't have your cake and eat it too. And, as for "no standard", people seem to violently disagree whenever someone refuses to draw loli vag, or when a dick doesn't meet their exact demands. Like, that their OC has 12 penis spikes, NOT 11. It's either okay for both sides, or for neither.

2: I've had several people shout on my userpage, or to my tumblr "vag expert", most have fallen off or been replied too. But, I can prolly make a new journal asking for them to re-state it if you really care that much about it. Heck, you could even just outright ask any of the hack artists I've exposed. Or on said sites. They're still super butthurt about getting owned by some nobody that can barely draw.
As for the second argument: What you're basically saying, is that: It's ex: okay to sell baby food with lead in it, as long as people are unaware of it, and still purchase it, as long as the lead wasn't stolen? Or selling cheap knock-off products for the same price as the original?

3: There are several polls out there. Google is your friend. Look up some "average labia length" ones.
And so, you're saying EXCLUSIVELY offering to draw loli vag, nothing else. Refusing to draw ANY of the other vulva in the universe, is not discriminatory in no way whatsoever? Regardless if the artist actually knows how to draw it or not?
Even if the artists expresses that, they actively refuse to draw ANY other vag, because loli vag is the only one they consider normal and beautiful? And say, lets swap out one physical component for another that people have no choice in:
Would you also say it's not discriminatory if an artist use the same argument to say ex: That they refuse to draw ANY other women than white women, because those are the only ones they consider normal and beautiful?

4: That's another fallacy. Numbers don't = right. That's an argument most cults use as theirs being the "true" one.
If I'd pay off ~10 people to comment on one of your pictures, claiming you ex: stole/traced it. Then bribe an admin to have you banned from the site so you can't defend yourself. Does that mean that those comments are valid evidence that you DID do it? Since, those are more numbers saying you did, than saying you don't.
Seriously, since when are white knights ever a good source of intel?
And well, I kinda went with the assumption that facts were enough proof on their own. Like when I exposed that ... well shit, can't name names, but a pony artist lied about the fraudulent folio "the clopbook" or if it was "clopfolio"... either of those. He assured it's 100 % pussy, 0 dick. And then it turned out to have a TON of dick in it. More dick and censored pussy than pussy combined. With several artists in it, that doesn't even know how the fuck to draw females. And then, when I confronted them about this. They claim that they NEVER lie, and tell me to stop lying. Despite the fact there are direct links to prove they are lying out their ass. And the usual white knight response to this? Telling me I'm a rude douchebag that needs help. Since you know, how DARE I expose the truth.

5: I could. But spending ~30 min in paint doodling out rough designs for ~10 different vags. Wouldn't really do that much tbh. I mean, I guess I can if you really want me to. It's not really hard to put them to shame when literally all most of them can do is struggle to draw a loli vag... it's like asking me to prove I am better at running than a baby. Like, it's not hard to prove I can draw more than 1 vag.

6: While art is subjective, standards DO exist. Some are based of a sites standard. While others are universal. Also: There are STILL areas in the world where that is the "law".
I use people's own standard, along with the status quo.
When so far, 100 % of artists, and their fans have admitted they would REFUSE to pay for "art that shit" if the time and detail spent on the penis and vulva was swapped. What does that say, really?
And, when a vast majority of all people agree that X NEEDS to have Y in order to meet their standard. How is that not having an over arching standard? People have expectations of what to be able to demand when ex: asking for someone to draw them a penis. But, this is nonexistent for vulva. Some even get offended if you even dare to mention it.

7: Well, when people are literally admitting they are ripping off people, and gloat about how their fans are "too stupid to have a standard", then yes... yes I am attacking them over their immoral bs.
Or are you also in the camp to make it illegal to ex: expose that a company uses child labor. Or show which politician took donations from what company? Or make it illegal for journalists to ask politicain questions? Cuz, they are like, totally bulling those poor politicians asking them why they voted for X.
And no, I am picking on them for being inept hacks. Admitting to selling sub-par products simply because they can get away with it.
And, facts are facts. Again: If someone admits "I can't draw pussy for shit!" and ALL of their art backs up this. That, is a fact. It's NOT a "style" to be incompetent at female genitalia. However much you wish it to be. People get mocked and ridiculed if they are incompetent at penis. And 0 % of the most famous artist are utter shit at drawing penis.
Again, it is in no way defendable to just go with "well, people don't know better!" or "That's how it is!" the fact that people, are selling something, they admit they can't do for shit, and cannot offer ANY service or variation on. For the same price, as something they are highly skilled at, and can offer DOZENS of services and variations for.
It's the same as with freaking food. There's no all compassing standard for how ex: a hamburger should look like. Yet there are universally accepted standards for a "something like this". If you're not okay with a restaurant charging the same for a steak dinner as for a packet of uncooked noodles. Then why the fuck defend the artistic equivalence? Again, NO-WHERE else is this considered ok. Not even with ANYTHING ELSE in art. So why give special exception to be incompetent at female genitalia?

1: You don't seem to understand what STANDARD means ~
And no .. the amount of people that care are far lower than you seem to think. By what you're saying is that no would care if you had a young vag or a wet blown out roast beef sandwich because no one cares about vag, but would start a war over a dick head being a centameter to thick

2: PROOF NEEDED
As for the second argument: NO .. that is not at all what I'm saying .. I'm saying that if a Cereal company makes Fruity and Chocolate puffs and use the same Press mold for the 2 it doesn't matter for the customers ... Reusing a vag shape on a pic with a similar pose where vag shape is not specified is not cheating .. it's a shortcut to increase productivity to get more art done or to deliver faster ... you think Drafters draw every single line by hand ? NO they use hundreds of templates they copy and paste and then modify...

3: You do not walk up to a hotdog cart , ask for a taco , and Scream Discrimination when they don't serve you a taco.
and artist that does not offer other choices than the one you want, is not discriminating when they refuse to serve you something they don't offer.

4: This comment had nothing to do with numbers ... it had to do with the comments not addressing you or your character personally , just that they didn't like the vag and thought it was disgusting ... which contradicts your statement of them attacking you .. and if that's a fallacy than you're guilty of the same thing by saying 'all these people' are attacking you

5: Do it ... Draw a better picture than all this people you're attacking and me ... do it , I want to see this

6: No ... you literally don't know what you're even talking about ... there is no Standard among art , an abstract 'wtf is that' is just as valid as a near photorealistic painting ... there is no standard no rules
your a shallow poor excuse of an artist or art critic if you think art has rules

7: You're not going to twist my words .. I admitted no such thing. buying a bed then finding out they had a deal to get a bed and pillows for half off with the purchase of a blanket IS NOT A RIP OFF ... if a customer isn't asking for something .. No rip off .. if they ask and don't get it .. then that's a rip off.
But what you did is deflect that I called you out on bullying these people because they aren't catering to you and your wants
Grow up

1: 1) A level of quality or attainment. "their restaurant offers a high standard of service" 2) something used as a measure, norm, or model in comparative evaluations. "the wages are low by today's standards".
I am aware of the: "used or accepted as normal or average." definition, but I wouldn't use that one as it can be twisted in whichever way the one using it see's fit.
And no, the amount is not. This has been repeated over and over and over and over.
The last massive time I recall was over the "vag meme", where female artists were encouraged to sketch or photoshop their vulvae, then post it. People flipped their shit and threw a riot. Eventually leading to the ban of the meme. Ranting on how it was immoral, gross and about how, "No; they'd never stand for it if it was done with dicks!" just to the next day see ALL of the ones that did the biggest hissy fit go around talking about how hot, and how they'd "wana suck those dicks", on everyone they saw do the shorter lived: dick meme.
Or as pointed out: Every single time someone did a horse/mlp with a non-hyper, human dick. Or how most people don't care if an artist draws their OC's pussy wrong, but dear god if you drew their OC's dick wrong. And hell hath no fury, if you give them a human dick.

2: That's not even remotely the same thing. Firstly: As with the above: People seem to give 0 fucks if an artist copy+pastes a pussy on PAID artwork. But, if you try to copy paste a dick... you're getting lynched. Secondly: If we are to use that example. It's more like the cereal company using the same ex: star shaped mold, but when making the second, they 1: don't wash the machines. 2: Their primary ingredient is cardboard and cheap chemicals. 3: Their first product uses exclusively natural, ecological products. 4: they charge the exact same amount for both cereals.
Again; The issue here is that they demand special exception to be incompetent/lazy with on thing, while no-one in the entire fandom would accept it if it was with any other thing.
Same with the pricing: They wouldn't even consider paying 50 % of it if the quality+selection gap was that huge in reverse.

3: Again, not comparable as they DO claim to serve "taco's".
It's basically a hot dog cart that has a "We also sell taco's!" along with if you ask them: They claim they are "GREAT at making them! Just look at my 30 different options for hot dogs, with over 20 dressings and sauces!" but if you ask for a taco, all you get is a empty shell, with nothing in it. And you're not allowed to pick any dressing or sauce. But, they still ask for the same price as for a jumbo hot dog with extra everything.
And your argument to that is "Well, if people wana eat plain taco crusts, who are you to judge? Long as they are willing to pay for it!"

4: The "numbers" were referring to that you said "x people thinks/said this!", and you claiming that "just because more people said it, that makes it true!".
That was a separate topic. And doesn't go against the facts that tons of people have actively attacked me on numerous occasions, on numerous sites.

5: Well, aight. I'll see if I can get around to it tonight. If it'll make you happy, I'll go ahead and prove that I can draw more vulvae than any of the inept popufurs.

6: I know what I am talking about. You however seems to be utterly clueless. If we speak exclusively about art as a concept. Then yes, there is no "rules" for it per se. But when we speak of it as the "thing" it is in this community. There are SEVERAL "invisible rules" that a vast majority of ALL people in the fandom agrees or disagrees too. If you try to pass off "Drawing two left hands/feet." as your "style", people will constantly point out you're "doing it wrong.". Likewise if you draw "anusballs" or w/e. People WILL tell you that you're "doing it wrong". Or if you only draw nipples on the right breasts. If you think no-one will give a single fuck if you do something like that. Then I just have to question what freaking fandom you have been living in.

7: I said artists, not you. Unless you somehow think that term only applied to you.
And like said: If they advertise ex: A FUTAfolio, and claim it has ONLY futa. Then when you purchase it, it has 0 futa. Just because you go "Oh well, I don't mind." that doesn't magically NOT make it a rip-off! (or the "0 dicks" art folio)
And again: What YOU are doing is deflecting and gaslighting that I'm NOT asking these inept retards to cater to MY needs, I am asking them to stop half-assing their work, suck it up and offer similar service to their customers. Again, "Put effort into x" or "Draw MATCHING anatomy" is NOT a fucking fetish. Likewise: If I ask someone that censors all of their pussies if they "Hey, could you draw ANY type of vulva?" how the fuck am I bullying them to cater to my desires?
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If I ask an artist "Hey, do you have the slightest knowledge of how to draw pussy?" and they go "Nope, not the slightest fucking clue! I still struggle where to place it. But I do know how to draw 50+ dicks!" how is it NOT fact to point out that "That artist is incompetent at drawing pussy."? If they CANT do it, they CANT do it. Just because they CHOOSE to be inept doesn't matter jack shit. They STILL CANT DRAW IT.
If anything, you need to grow up and stop rejecting facts, just because they might offend people.

Well I officially won this argument~
Because I'm walking away~
I'm done ... you're literally Ignoring my points and repeating yours over and over.
I offer examples and not only do you fail at understanding them you then you twist them into something else by adding things that were not part of the example to prove your point... which is bullshit.
Your argument is just YOUR opinion and you are acting like it's a national crisis
You DO NOT understand the fundamental aspect of art being 100% SUBJECTIVE meaning it CAN NOT have standards applied to it.
You are Bullying people
You are Trying to enforce YOUR opinions on style and what is considered half assing as law
You failed..
Laters ~

That's not a "win".
And I am repeating them, because you are ignoring them, as they trump your points.
And because your "examples", goes directly against the concept of it.
Again: Facts are NOT opinions. They are facts.
And you do not understand the fundamentals about a "service".
I treat people the same way they started treating me. Doesn't make me better than then. But doesn't make them the victims either.
And again: I am merely pointing out EMPIRICAL FACTS. That is NOT an opinion. If I'd pay 50 $ for 30 seconds of work. And you pay the same person 50 $ for 4 hours of work. You WILL have gotten more work done for your money. PERIOD. That is NOT an opinion. 4 hours is MORE than 30 seconds. Don't give me any bs on how you objectively can considering 30 seconds to be just as long as 4 hours, depending if you are sleeping or some bs. Same goes with if you are offered ALL the options. And I are given NONE. You can't try to spin that shit as that we are being given the same amount of choices, as, in the end: everything becomes nothing or some abstract nonsense.
You failed to apply the basics of reasoning. You constantly just tried to twist it with mind games. "Yes or no" questions are just that. Sometimes more. If you have 10 apples, and I have 1. You have more apples than me. End of discussion.

People CAN be incompetent. But just because they chose to be, doesn't magically excuse that they are inept hacks. I can chose to be a racist. That doesn't justify my actions. No matter how much I'd claim that "it's subjective."
But sure, this isn't going anywhere. You failed to grasp the concept of what a fact is for.

1. You have failed to show proof of any of this other than your own personal experience with people. Not Facts...
2. I ignored none of you points but rather addressed them with a counter and you, rather than addressing the counter, just repeated yourself as if doing that would make it a new argument. It didn't...
3. My Examples were to show you another point of view that you seem to be to 'tunnel visioned' to see...
4. I AM AN ARTIST PROVIDING A SERVICE, I have a Degree in Culinary arts on top of that ... I understand what a SERVICE is far more than you do. I've been using that knowledge to craft the examples you refuse to address...
5. You are not pointing out facts... you are repeating one note about artists spending less time and effort on female genitals than male ones and that it's a rip off in doing so. I've been trying to get you to understand that there could be more factors involved besides 'lazy artists' and that you really seem to think if these artists were paid specifically to draw an uber detailed vulva they wouldn't ...
6. I didn't and haven't been spinning anything and the idea that you think I have been just shows YOUR lack of reasoning. Your constant appeal to some nebulous 'Standard for Art' is a fallacy that I've been attempting to get you to see passed. There is no Standard for Art ... and if you are trying to reason that these artists created a standard of hyper detailed dicks and lazy vulvas .. and you are holding them to their own standards, as you put it, than you'd be arguing in favor of detailed dicks against artists that are drawing lazy dicks ...
7. This Pay for time argument is bull and I'll tell you why... Using my art as quality vs pay examples
http://www.furaffinity.net/view/22368138/ <--- this took me more than 14 hours total work time to complete ... cost about $40-50 with my current pricing
I've seen other artists for a similarly detailed pic Sell theirs for $80 up to $150 and they could have taken a shorter or longer completion time.
http://www.furaffinity.net/view/17640574/ <--- this took me less than 10 hours and in total cost the same as the previous one.
I've seen other artists for a similarly detailed pic Sell theirs for $50 up to $200 and also could have been faster or slower.
but none of these numbers use the factors that some characters are easier for certain artists , some sketch faster and paint slower and vice versa, some are better at certain anatomy than others making faster... Point and fact is... variables make this argument not valid.
On top of that your argument assumes EVERY SINGLE customer that has purchased a 'lazy vulva' pic from these artists are idiots that just nod happily when given their art... I am 100% sure if they saw that what they commissioned was half assed in the ways they cared about, they would complain.
Customers WILL tear a cash register off it's bolts because of a single missing pickle ... so I'm sure if someone drew a pussy they weren't pleased with , that artist would know it.
8. That is the key though... you're bitching about incompetence but other than your word that these artists admitted they don't know something you haven't proved anything. Satch ... I personally suck at hands and feet ... does that mean that because I found ways to draw them that's easier for me that I'm and inept hack if some hand and foot enthusiast decides to say so? Am I ripping people off every time I draw a commission because I draw hands and feet in a way so I'm not spending an extra hour to get them done so I can use that hour for another pic ? Here's the BIG one! AM I ripping people off if they .. the ones buying the work, are happy with the picture ?
Do you See how your bitching doesn't hold water yet ... because unlike the other examples I made .. this one is literally the same as the ones you 'Claim' these other artists made , but swapping vulva with Hands and feet...
9. Satch you personally have a specific taste when it comes to your enjoyment of art of/with vulva's and your pushing your opinion of how they should be drawn out like it's the only way and vilifying people that don't adhere to that opinion. I have my own Personal tastes in things ... So instead of going on this crusade to FORCE people into catering to YOUR tastes as if it was gospel... find artist with similar tastes or get good at doing it yourself... those are your choices. Because you are not going to change anything... maybe you could if you had a stronger case ... but as it stands you don't.
People can see how weak your argument is and how thin your logic is and how fixated and tunnel visioned you are... I'm trying to be that slap to the face to wake you and see that you're not helping anything .. your being an SJW that's whining that their feelings are hurt and crying because no one accepts your opinion and that they need to or they are scam scum and poor artists. Wake up ~

I think you might benefit from diversifying your hobbies a little x3

Have a muff though http://www.furaffinity.net/view/23563346/

Question is how, and/or with what xP

Perhaps there just aren't many fursonas that have the vag design you want, and its nothing to do with the artists at all.

There is quite a few fursonas that have [anything other than a loli vag].
The fact you are obsessed with forcing everyone to have one is was concerns me.

The fact you are obsessed with forcing everyone to have one is was concerns me.

yet you are trying to force everyone to have something they may not want ... HYP-O-CRITE

Nope. Not the slightest.
THEY are the ones that put that up as the standard. I'm merely holding them to it.

They want to be allowed to be free to push their BS without anyone being allowed to criticize it. In short: They basically want a theocracy. With their viewpoint being the ONLY allowed one. Thinking that any immoral thing is okay, just as long as they are the ones doing it. But, if anyone else tries the same thing. They should be executed.
While I, on the other hand, stand firm that; If they allow one, they gotta allow the other. Assuming it is in the same category. There is NOTHING hypocritical to tell people to practice what they preach.

They are obsessed with DEMANDING that EVERYONE HAS to draw loli vags, and any type of dick they want. That it's totally fine to draw 30 second vag, while drawing 4 hour dicks. But it's NOT allowed to draw 30 second dicks while doing 4 hour vags. They just spew bs and platitudes, pretending to be all for "styles" and "preferences", while they actually give 0 fucks, along with giving 106 fucks about stuff they claim to "not care about". But always exclusively on a case by case basis.

While I as said, on the other hand don't give special exclusive exceptions. If you ex: wana allow being utterly incompetent at female genitalia as a "style" you GOTTA allow the same rules for someone that wishes to be inept at male genitalia. No fucking "Well, it's okay when x does it!". Likewise, if you DEMAND that you should be allowed to draw x without being judged. You have no right to throw a hissy fit over, and demand that people aren't allowed to draw the opposite of it. These people are the most extreme freaking snowflakes there is. And they try to deflect outrage onto people that expose them.

Such as me. Like any of the dozen of times I've factually pointed out that a pony folio was blatantly lying.
Their response? Throw a shitstorm over how "rude" I am for trying to harm their sales. Yeah, since they are the victims for falsely advertising it.

There is no art standard ... no one set one .. no one can

I see zero proof for this ~you seem to be one only one claiming theirs is the only viewpoint that needs to be allowed.

You're the only one demanding everyone not too ... the phrase ' sound like a YOU problem ' has never been more appropriate

you're argument applied to anything else makes all artists look like assholes ... how do you NOT see that ...
I HATE drawing POOP and VORE... so because I'm not Pro at drawing Shit and Vore than I'm a sub par artists ...
If a gay artist with a Vag phobia was asked to draw one .. you think his skills be up there ???
You seem to be attacking people personal preferences and act like there is a professional reason but NO this is personal choices and you don't like it so you are bullying people .

Futa ... a FEMALE with a DICK ... something some people draw with balls or without or as a herm... So many people Fuck up a Funari being a dick girl and you attack people that may be in the group that may not know that a herm and futa are different ?

Seriously you fail... your argument is fail
Later ~

All I have to give you is this.

http://www.urbandictionary.com/defi.....llshit%20Walks

Tbh, seems to be pretty accurate.
On suggestion, I have been advised to start selling the art folios in place of the original creators, as they can't advertise for shit. And tbh... if I can hit them where it hurst: Could be an idea.

If you're talking about re-selling somebody else's artwork (altered or not) that is very illegal and very shitty.

Well, said artists have given me the thumbs up as they've failed to do it properly. And as it's in line with their work ethics.
I just dunno if it'd be worth the effort. Nor what to charge really. Some of the artists told me to get some edits done so it offers new content, along with "shows how it's done". And others just told me to re-package it.

But like, both of those would just take time and effort to set up. Not to mention the trolls that'd throw a shitfit over me doing something correctly, that their dear leader couldn't pull off.

I would only condone this if you had proof of said "thumbs up". Otherwise I'd throw a shitfit too, not of "doing it correctly" but of "art theft".


Also you completely missed the point of my original post.

Then you'd have to bother running around to each artist and ask xP And I haven't even decided which, if any to include, if I even do it.
And well, their general business moral is that, "if you manage to sell it, regardless of how or the quality provided, as long as someone is okay with paying, you have earned it."
Either if I picked one or two artists that haven't given a thumbs up. I don't really see it as anything that bad. As all of them sold the original folios under false advertisement, not delivering the promised content and refused to give refunds.

And wouldn't be impossible.

You seriously think that you can sell someone else's artwork as your own, and without their permission because it's your OPINION that the quality is lackluster? And you think they'd be okay with that because the way you think they advertised the artwork was unacceptable? That's an incredibly shitty thing to admit to actually considering, and as said before, very illegal. :/

As long as you've been spouting this baseless stuff, I fully believe you're serious at this point and you actually believe you're in the right on this idea. Good luck with your future legal and social endeavors once people find that one out.

I'd seriously stop right where you are before you go and prepare to post your usual response and actually think about what you're talking about here and how that would be viewed from an outside perspective. Put aside your personal views and think about the ramifications of what you're doing, seriously. You've lived these past couple of years mostly pissing people off to the point that you've just become a joke. I'm so surprised you don't already have an Encyclopedia Dramatica article on yourself.

Get your head out of your ass and realize that you don't need to be so overly defensive on everything. People are entitled to their own opinions, that doesn't mean you need to go on a self-destructive crusade to make yours fact. Just because you think your way is the right way all the time doesn't mean people are going to give a single care in the world about what you say when you command little to no respect. So many points just go right over your head to the point that you have entire chat rooms of DOZENS of people rolling their eyes every time you make a new post. And quit comparing things specifically to US Politics for goodness sake, it makes you look like even more of a nut job when you go off on some political tangent for no reason.

Fallacy this, fallacy that. Most of your own stuff is just plain hypocritical and you've been called out so many times for it, it's just sad at this point that you just keep rolling with it. Your responses have become a game. I'm sure you've seen the bingo board of your predictable responses that's been going around now.

I don't care what you want to commission someone to draw.
(In the case that you're the one paying for it to be drawn)

I don't care how some artist wants to draw what THEY want to draw.
(When they are not being paid for it and it's just personal work)

I don't care if someone else commissions some artist to draw some specific thing.
(Because they are paying for it to be drawn that specific way)

I think it's really stupid that you think you have some kind of authority over the matter though when it's not your work and you didn't even pay for it to be made in the way it was. You're bickering over something you're not even a part of, but only in your head you think you are for some reason, that's what is really concerning here. It's the way you present yourself that makes you a laughingstock. All you have to do is look at everything you've done for the past 2 years and actually contemplate on the purpose of it all, how you could've handled it all so much better.

Not the quality, the marketing.
Ie: Like selling a "futafolio", that contained 0 futa. A clopbook promising 0 dicks. 100 % females. Then having more censored pictures than pussy. And having like... 33 dicks and 44 pussy if I recall right. A folio that promised 100 % pin-ups. Barely having 20 %, along with almost the ENTIRE folio just being a censored demo, demanding that you purchase a DLC pack in order to get the original, uncensored art. Or selling a folio "all about character x!" and then only having 1 nude of said character,and the rest of the folio focusing on some self-insert OC sexually using said character. Or heck, any of the dozen ones where it's "all female chars" and they almost only uses artists that admits they can't draw female characters for shit. So it's just a heap of censored art, or haphazard doodles. (seriously, why get someone for a job, when they can't perform that job? Instead of like, having them do what they actually know.)
And again: They are already illegally selling these to begin with. So like... how is it any more shitty to properly sell it with actually honest+accurate descriptions?

And again: I don't see why this should be an issue. At all.
As we have proven: In this fandom, artists have straight out said things like "My fans are too stupid to have a standard." and "I rip-off my customers on a regular basis. That's just my business model." along with "If you can trick someone into paying for it, you've earned the money!" and their sales have only improved as a result from it. If you can sell people a futafolio with 0 futa, have people say it was shit, openly admit you cba to draw proper female edits, and instead just stick to copy+pasting unless over 50 % of your fans complain, and STILL get people to pre-order your next folio with a "TBA" slapped on it. How the fuck would this impact anything I do? I have a spotless record on my side of commissions and etc. Or, perhaps that is the issue. Should I aim to do more dishonest practices? Like all the ~90 % of the popular hack artists? "Minimum effort, maximum income"?

As for that: I am honestly a bit surprised too. I'd expect people to have gotten so butthurt by now that they'd have launched some sort of slander campaign.
The war on whisleblowers is still in full swing. And any artist I re-expose today, desperately tries to cover up the facts, and hurls deflections, gas-lighting and propaganda to stop people from getting a hold of the truth. Tbh, not that sure why, seeing how their fans have been literally demonstrated to be too thick/ignorant to care. But, I guess it cost them some sales or something.

And, you don't seem to have realized that it IS facts. (Or well, my core argument parts. Not all I say xD)
Opinions doesn't change facts. They can think whatever they want. That still doesn't make them any less wrong.
You can't argue with the truth... or well, not successfully at least. Unless those you are trying to convince got their head up their asses.
Also: Respect is earned. But it seems to be the opposite in this fandom. As, people that have done nothing to deserve it, get it bucketloads, simply if they are famous. No questions asked. While those that have actually struggled to be respectable, often get none. As, they're not making people warm and fuzzy inside. IE: Shoot the messenger.
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I rightly don't care if someone starts bawling and tosses a snowflake hissy fit just because I utterly demolished an artist they adored. Or shredded some nonsensical belief they held. I just steamroll things with facts and cold evidence. I am well aware I am not gentle or smooth. And that my comparisons generally are either incoherent, or way beyond the capacity of anyone that reads them. Or both. But, not much can be done about that. Aside from not using them I guess... but meh. The reason I use them is usually to try and get through their thick skull. As, the only way to get to most of these people is to compare it to something they actually care about, or can relate to. As, on this site alone we got dozens of people that can't grasp what's wrong with rape, simply as they've never personally experienced it themselves, nor know anyone that has. Therefore, see nothing wrong with it, as it hasn't negatively affected them personally.

Nothing of my core arguments are even the slightest hypocritical. People however LOVE to gaslight, deflect and ad hominem me over it. As, they know they can't win in a honest debate.
They're nothing more than another apologist. Except they're not protecting a cult. Though, it's not that far from it tbh.
And when all they can bring is a weak-ass strawman or excuse, why bother changing a response that utterly creams them?
You're about as successful in implying I'm hypocritical on this topic, than if you'd try to argue that I am a hypocrite for ex: Being against slavery, cuz I am trying to take people's freedom to own slaves away. Two negatives in an argument doesn't magically become a positive.


And, just like every other bigot in on it: You CLAIM to not care about it. But, will like every. single. person. that has done so in the past: Utterly flip their shit and start a riot, the SECOND it negatively impacts you.

What is ACTUALLY stupid is people hit across the face with facts, to then go "Hm... this doesn't make me feel fuzzy inside... Alternate facts! Now that's some good stuff right there!" along with people cheering on incompetence and/or fraud. Again: I don't care about what topic it regards: You CANNOT brag about how vastly inferior you are to someone about a specific thing, and have that come off as a positive. (with extreme exceptions) Nor can you insult someone by pointing out they whoop the ass out of any competition in a certain thing. Like, ~90+ % of the "top tier, expert" artists gloating about how they ain't got shit on me when it comes to female genital anatomy. Seriously. I don't even care if it'd be about ex: Earwax. How the fuck would it impress anyone if you went around saying how you "Barely know where earwax is located even.", yet, somehow, its managed to become a status thing to be utterly incompetent at female genitalia.
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Facts are utterly disregarded in a lot of instances in today's society. Since they're not "hip" or w/e. And I don't give a fuck if someone is too ignorant or w/e to not mind being scammed or frauded. I still see that as immoral. Even if you personally see nothing wrong with ex: A scalper selling wares for 200+ % more than they bought it for. Or someone deciding to always jury rig x instead of repairing it properly. That is still inherently a douche move. No matter how you spin it. Or the bs "No, no! We wana make sure you have ACCESS to health care.", regardless of how you word it. A literally worse offer, will ALWAYS be worse. Irregardless if you objectively prefer to get less bang for your buck.
But, as for how I could have handled it: I am well aware that I could have. But, there simply was no ways to do so. There was no alternatives available at the time.
I have failed to topple a inherently corrupt business model. But like, shiet. Give me some credit here. I have managed to make a few dents at least. Completely lacking the media powerhouse required to make a difference has fucked me over, especially with the choke-hold the status quo propaganda has over facts. But like with every hack I've exposed: I've never seen them get around to disprove me, nor suggest a better way to do things. That's one of the bigger issues with you people: You love to criticize and whine, but you refuse to ever come with any suggestions on how to fix it or do it better.

Go pet your lizard dear.
Also, I agree with the pink dude above me.

I still can't dual pet them.
Gotta get the new one examined.