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Ohio Firefighter Jailed for Killing dogs..
16 years ago
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I want to post a few excerpts, the entire article is here: Link
Let me start by saying, I love dogs. I am a dog person, always have been. I put out water for strays in our neighborhood here in Arizona, because its freaking hot in the summer. I grew up in a house where we always had a dog, its just how things were.
But a dog is something you own, its a companion ANIMAL little c big A. These things belong to us, there are many nations where they eat them, they are livestock. You bought this animal, it is your slave, not your kid, not your equal, it has no rights of citizenship in the United States, nor any other nation I am aware of. Putting it above human beings is a serious problem, one we've had in America for a long time.
Anyway...
"This is pretty heinous," said Cheri Miller, spokeswoman for the Capital Area Humane Society, which carried out a search warrant in Santuomo's home. The humane society has limited law enforcement powers in Franklin County.
At least its not PETA.. .but seriously giving the HSA law enforcement authority is like turning over security at a gun show to to the Brady center, or letting MADD adjudicate liquor licenses... Who the fuck are they to get a search warrant? If I went down to the courthouse now and requested a warrant to search my friends house because I thought he'd been kidnapping hobos and raping them in his basement, they'd thank me kindly and advise me to contact the police, and keep in mind I've _HAD_ law enforcement training and am in the pipe for a whole lot more, who ARE these people with the HSA? Are they former law enforcement? Cops on their day off? Batman? What happens when some wingnut decides to blow these make believe police away with a sawed off, does he get sentenced for assaulting an LEO or just for regular AWaDW?
You'd not get away with this shit for any other aspect of law enforcement, but when its a widdle puppy dog, suddenly vigilantism is okay?
"People are not very happy," he said. "We had people say they should do to him what he's done to the dogs. A lot of people want him fired. They don't want him coming into their house. They're worried about their animals; they're worried about their kids. They'd just as soon let their house burn down if he shows up."
Are these people mentally retarded? I just want to ask, seriously... two dogs.. not kids, not people, he didn't rape a nun... let your house burn down? Seriously... lets play a game of under the sink shots, i'll pull out a random cleaner, and you take shots of it until you don't care if you're IN the house when it burns down...
Grow_the_fuck_up.... your house represents your cumulative lifes savings... the culmination of all the labor that the government hasn't stolen from you..... even if you plan to sell it one day, its like a physical representation of your financial worth, whereas, George Carlin put it pretty well: Life... Is a series of dogs, when your dog dies you go out and get another damned dog!
Santuomo was sentenced to 90 days in jail, to be served in 10-day increments over the next two years. He also has to pay $4,500 in restitution, perform 200 hours of community service, stay away from companion animals for five years and write a letter of apology to be published in the local newspaper and the International Association of Firefighters magazine, the humane society's Miller said
Restitution to WHOME?! they were his dogs... he didn't kill someone elses dogs... shit, imagine if they made this the legal remedy every time you slaughtered your own pig or cow... you do know that animals die so you can eat white castle right? (okay... maybe not WHITE CASTLE, but definately other burger places..)
Does he have to pay 4500$ to himself as the wronged party(owner of the damaged dogs?), and if so how the fuck would that work? Basically he's being FINED.. its not restitution, its a FINE for disposing of his own property...how far is that gonna go? If you have one fish in your tank that keeps eating all the other fish, and you flush it, can your crying children call the HSA and have you clapped in irons and fined?
What happens if your cat gets into the garage and you back over it... will your car be confiscated as evidence for the grand jury to decide if your committed accidental felicide?
Santuomo's attorney said that his client is remorseful over his actions and that people need to temper their outrage. "It's the same old story. They couldn't care less about people and they love animals," lawyer Sam Shamansky said.
Comment unnecessary, but forthcoming.... years ago, there was a typhoon that struck some small poverty stricken Asian Island, I don't recall which, there was an appeal for aid on TV, during the footage, in one corner of the screen, a dirty flea bitten dog was shown nursing some scrawny puppies, the tv station received 25 thousand dollars in donations, this was I think the 1970's so that was a LOT of money. 22 thousand was for the dog.
I said I love dogs, I mean it, I do, I think this fucker should never be allowed to own another dog, I think society in general should turn a cold shoulder to him, and he should be a pariah among his peers who more or less tell him to fuck off, leave a table he sits at, refuse him service in restaurants, shit like that. However to impose criminal penalties on an American citizen for doing what he wishes with his own property is morally wrong.
Just felt like bitching about that.
Let me start by saying, I love dogs. I am a dog person, always have been. I put out water for strays in our neighborhood here in Arizona, because its freaking hot in the summer. I grew up in a house where we always had a dog, its just how things were.
But a dog is something you own, its a companion ANIMAL little c big A. These things belong to us, there are many nations where they eat them, they are livestock. You bought this animal, it is your slave, not your kid, not your equal, it has no rights of citizenship in the United States, nor any other nation I am aware of. Putting it above human beings is a serious problem, one we've had in America for a long time.
Anyway...
"This is pretty heinous," said Cheri Miller, spokeswoman for the Capital Area Humane Society, which carried out a search warrant in Santuomo's home. The humane society has limited law enforcement powers in Franklin County.
At least its not PETA.. .but seriously giving the HSA law enforcement authority is like turning over security at a gun show to to the Brady center, or letting MADD adjudicate liquor licenses... Who the fuck are they to get a search warrant? If I went down to the courthouse now and requested a warrant to search my friends house because I thought he'd been kidnapping hobos and raping them in his basement, they'd thank me kindly and advise me to contact the police, and keep in mind I've _HAD_ law enforcement training and am in the pipe for a whole lot more, who ARE these people with the HSA? Are they former law enforcement? Cops on their day off? Batman? What happens when some wingnut decides to blow these make believe police away with a sawed off, does he get sentenced for assaulting an LEO or just for regular AWaDW?
You'd not get away with this shit for any other aspect of law enforcement, but when its a widdle puppy dog, suddenly vigilantism is okay?
"People are not very happy," he said. "We had people say they should do to him what he's done to the dogs. A lot of people want him fired. They don't want him coming into their house. They're worried about their animals; they're worried about their kids. They'd just as soon let their house burn down if he shows up."
Are these people mentally retarded? I just want to ask, seriously... two dogs.. not kids, not people, he didn't rape a nun... let your house burn down? Seriously... lets play a game of under the sink shots, i'll pull out a random cleaner, and you take shots of it until you don't care if you're IN the house when it burns down...
Grow_the_fuck_up.... your house represents your cumulative lifes savings... the culmination of all the labor that the government hasn't stolen from you..... even if you plan to sell it one day, its like a physical representation of your financial worth, whereas, George Carlin put it pretty well: Life... Is a series of dogs, when your dog dies you go out and get another damned dog!
Santuomo was sentenced to 90 days in jail, to be served in 10-day increments over the next two years. He also has to pay $4,500 in restitution, perform 200 hours of community service, stay away from companion animals for five years and write a letter of apology to be published in the local newspaper and the International Association of Firefighters magazine, the humane society's Miller said
Restitution to WHOME?! they were his dogs... he didn't kill someone elses dogs... shit, imagine if they made this the legal remedy every time you slaughtered your own pig or cow... you do know that animals die so you can eat white castle right? (okay... maybe not WHITE CASTLE, but definately other burger places..)
Does he have to pay 4500$ to himself as the wronged party(owner of the damaged dogs?), and if so how the fuck would that work? Basically he's being FINED.. its not restitution, its a FINE for disposing of his own property...how far is that gonna go? If you have one fish in your tank that keeps eating all the other fish, and you flush it, can your crying children call the HSA and have you clapped in irons and fined?
What happens if your cat gets into the garage and you back over it... will your car be confiscated as evidence for the grand jury to decide if your committed accidental felicide?
Santuomo's attorney said that his client is remorseful over his actions and that people need to temper their outrage. "It's the same old story. They couldn't care less about people and they love animals," lawyer Sam Shamansky said.
Comment unnecessary, but forthcoming.... years ago, there was a typhoon that struck some small poverty stricken Asian Island, I don't recall which, there was an appeal for aid on TV, during the footage, in one corner of the screen, a dirty flea bitten dog was shown nursing some scrawny puppies, the tv station received 25 thousand dollars in donations, this was I think the 1970's so that was a LOT of money. 22 thousand was for the dog.
I said I love dogs, I mean it, I do, I think this fucker should never be allowed to own another dog, I think society in general should turn a cold shoulder to him, and he should be a pariah among his peers who more or less tell him to fuck off, leave a table he sits at, refuse him service in restaurants, shit like that. However to impose criminal penalties on an American citizen for doing what he wishes with his own property is morally wrong.
Just felt like bitching about that.
I don't care if his animals were his 'property', there was nothing wrong with these dogs. They were not old, vicious or ill. He could have handed them over to your equivelent of the RSPCA and have given them a chance to find a new home. Shooting them was unnessecary and cruel.
Though I don't agree he should lose his job over it, he should get fined at the very least and blacklisted against getting another pet.